Would the horizon still be flat if the earth was round?

if you think things like sunsets have not been answered on a flat earth, you have not been looking for an answer. it has been dealt with several times, most recently by dual earth theory.

i've been mulling this one over for a while.
I thought that as, from our perspective, the horizon is a circle, with our viewpoint being the radius, wouldn't the edge of the circle, from our point of view, be flat.

The horizon would only be curved if there was a difference in altitude of the points on the horizon. (As, for the frame of reference that we have on the ground, the earth is essentially flat)
A way to see this is when looking at a theoretical ocean. Theoretical as there is no tides, and no obstruction on the horizon.
If one were to look directly north, and swivel clockwise, the horizon should remain an unbroken line.
This is demonstrable. So, if we see that, in our frame of reference, the horizon is flat, then flat-earthers can no longer use this as proof of the earths flatness.

Thoughts?

Question: If I am wrong (not unlikely ), then what form would the horizon take on a theoretical perfect sphere?

And I am not assuming that the earth is a sphere, I have proof. Sunsets. I have not seen any reason or explanation of how this would occur on a flat earth.

A very few think they can see curvature from the ground, or in an airplane.  Only a very few.  Most people who can think for themselves can understand and conceptualize things like how large the Earth really is when compared to a human believe that the Earth is round.  Also most flat Earth people cannot do this conceptualization.  They have problems with things they cannot touch and see from their own little world.  Which is why it is scary to them and they need a conspiracy for it to make sense.  Some big bad evil that they are secretly fighting against, like freedom fighters who are the Saturday morning cartoon type of heroes.
Sorry, I left those things behind when I was a child, I got out and learned things, the world is not such a scary place and there is no one out there trying to get me.

Quote from: Scroto Gaggins on April 22, 2015, 03:18:46 AM

i've been mulling this one over for a while.
I thought that as, from our perspective, the horizon is a circle, with our viewpoint being the radius, wouldn't the edge of the circle, from our point of view, be flat.

The horizon would only be curved if there was a difference in altitude of the points on the horizon. (As, for the frame of reference that we have on the ground, the earth is essentially flat)
A way to see this is when looking at a theoretical ocean. Theoretical as there is no tides, and no obstruction on the horizon.
If one were to look directly north, and swivel clockwise, the horizon should remain an unbroken line.
This is demonstrable. So, if we see that, in our frame of reference, the horizon is flat, then flat-earthers can no longer use this as proof of the earths flatness.

Thoughts?

Question: If I am wrong (not unlikely ), then what form would the horizon take on a theoretical perfect sphere?

And I am not assuming that the earth is a sphere, I have proof. Sunsets. I have not seen any reason or explanation of how this would occur on a flat earth.

The thing  is you are actually debunking REers talking rubbish. You keep thinking, and soon you will be one of us.
I have found that REers generally believe you can see left to right curvature while standing on a beach.
Here is just one example do we need more?
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=61112.msg1587214#msg1587214

A very few think they can see curvature from the ground, or in an airplane.  Only a very few.  Most people who can think for themselves can understand and conceptualize things like how large the Earth really is when compared to a human believe that the Earth is round.  Also most flat Earth people cannot do this conceptualization.  They have problems with things they cannot touch and see from their own little world.  Which is why it is scary to them and they need a conspiracy for it to make sense.  Some big bad evil that they are secretly fighting against, like freedom fighters who are the Saturday morning cartoon type of heroes.
Sorry, I left those things behind when I was a child, I got out and learned things, the world is not such a scary place and there is no one out there trying to get me.

Quote from: tappet on April 23, 2015, 02:13:18 AM

Quote from: Scroto Gaggins on April 22, 2015, 03:18:46 AM

i've been mulling this one over for a while.
I thought that as, from our perspective, the horizon is a circle, with our viewpoint being the radius, wouldn't the edge of the circle, from our point of view, be flat.

The horizon would only be curved if there was a difference in altitude of the points on the horizon. (As, for the frame of reference that we have on the ground, the earth is essentially flat)
A way to see this is when looking at a theoretical ocean. Theoretical as there is no tides, and no obstruction on the horizon.
If one were to look directly north, and swivel clockwise, the horizon should remain an unbroken line.
This is demonstrable. So, if we see that, in our frame of reference, the horizon is flat, then flat-earthers can no longer use this as proof of the earths flatness.

Thoughts?

Question: If I am wrong (not unlikely ), then what form would the horizon take on a theoretical perfect sphere?

And I am not assuming that the earth is a sphere, I have proof. Sunsets. I have not seen any reason or explanation of how this would occur on a flat earth.

The thing  is you are actually debunking REers talking rubbish. You keep thinking, and soon you will be one of us.
I have found that REers generally believe you can see left to right curvature while standing on a beach.
Here is just one example do we need more?
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=61112.msg1587214#msg1587214

Well, yes and no.
The main reason why people say the earth is flat is because it looks that way.
I have shown (hopefully ) that this is possible on a round earth.
Ergo, that piece of evidence can no longer be used for proof of the earths flatness.

Now Mr Scroto,
At what height do you say we can see curvature?

Now Mr Scroto,
At what height do you say we can see curvature?

Quote from: tappet on April 23, 2015, 02:55:25 AM

Now Mr Scroto,
At what height do you say we can see curvature?

I guess we should run some experiments to see, won't we?
 

Quote from: Mikey T Lovzballs on April 23, 2015, 02:26:34 AM

A very few think they can see curvature from the ground, or in an airplane.  Only a very few.  Most people who can think for themselves can understand and conceptualize things like how large the Earth really is when compared to a human believe that the Earth is round.  Also most flat Earth people cannot do this conceptualization.  They have problems with things they cannot touch and see from their own little world.  Which is why it is scary to them and they need a conspiracy for it to make sense.  Some big bad evil that they are secretly fighting against, like freedom fighters who are the Saturday morning cartoon type of heroes.
Sorry, I left those things behind when I was a child, I got out and learned things, the world is not such a scary place and there is no one out there trying to get me.

Do I need to post more links to threads showing that REers believe you can see curvature, I am yet to find one post from a FEer claiming you can see this curvature.

Quote from: tappet on April 23, 2015, 02:48:38 AM

Quote from: Mikey T Lovzballs on April 23, 2015, 02:26:34 AM

A very few think they can see curvature from the ground, or in an airplane.  Only a very few.  Most people who can think for themselves can understand and conceptualize things like how large the Earth really is when compared to a human believe that the Earth is round.  Also most flat Earth people cannot do this conceptualization.  They have problems with things they cannot touch and see from their own little world.  Which is why it is scary to them and they need a conspiracy for it to make sense.  Some big bad evil that they are secretly fighting against, like freedom fighters who are the Saturday morning cartoon type of heroes.
Sorry, I left those things behind when I was a child, I got out and learned things, the world is not such a scary place and there is no one out there trying to get me.

Do I need to post more links to threads showing that REers believe you can see curvature, I am yet to find one post from a FEer claiming you can see this curvature.

Do you honestly believe that you have enough RE supporters on this site to adequately be a sample size of the worlds population?  Since the vast majority of the world knows the Earth is round anyway.  There are some who mistakenly believe you could do this, but they probably have never been to the ocean to see for themselves.

In a flat Earth in order for the horizon to be exactaly at eye level the hypothetical ocean would have to be infinite or the observer would have to have a height of zero.  On a round Earth the same thing applies, either it's infinitely large or the observer has a height of zero.  However, sense we can't measure with infinite acuracy it would be possible to have a horizon apear to be eye level on both a round or flat earth as long as the observer is close to ground level and the Earth is really big.

This is not to say that flat Earth theory is possible, see the first link (and the second one too if you are daring) to figure out why a flat earth can be disproven by simply observing the horizon and the sky.

Quote from: mikeman7918 on April 23, 2015, 01:44:10 PM

In a flat Earth in order for the horizon to be exactaly at eye level the hypothetical ocean would have to be infinite or the observer would have to have a height of zero.  On a round Earth the same thing applies, either it's infinitely large or the observer has a height of zero.  However, sense we can't measure with infinite acuracy it would be possible to have a horizon apear to be eye level on both a round or flat earth as long as the observer is close to ground level and the Earth is really big.

This is not to say that flat Earth theory is possible, see the first link (and the second one too if you are daring) to figure out why a flat earth can be disproven by simply observing the horizon and the sky.