Why the Earth Cannot Be Round

Kansas is on the Earth.  An Earth they want us to believe is round.  Earth curves 8 inches per mile.
http://mathcentral.uregina.ca/QQ/database/QQ.09.97/dyck2.html

Kansas is 417 miles in width.

That is 417 miles with 8" of curve per mile.   

That is 3336" worth of curve or 278 feet.  As a cross section Kansas would look like a low mountain that rose 278 feet at its center.  Which is never detected. 

That measurement was made taking the curvature of Earth into account, and it was also measured with satellites that you believe don't exist.

As for boats and the horizon I have yet to see a ship at maximum range with just the topsail or flag protruding.  Just tales of that.

See my next post.

Plus would it also not be tipped away from you by a few degrees?

Same with trees and buildings. 

No, I have done the calculations a few times and the amount something would apear to tip away from you is equivalent to the ark angle between you and the object.  Most of the time the horizon is only a few miles away and that means that the object tips away only a tiny fraction of a degree.

We keep getting pictures like this.


Which a single occurrence of would cause a severe problem with the round earth idea. 

Look at the first link in my forum signature, it explains (among other things) why that is to be expected on a round Earth.  While you'r at it you might as well check out the second link which links to the results of an experiment I did proving that the Sun is really far away and by extension that the Earth is round.

Sunrises, sunsets?   That is some light bending super natural stuff - as it stands I have no natural explanation for how the sun is not rolling along  the surface.   
Maybe something like this?
http://s23.photobucket.com/user/qpiine/media/Flat%20Earth/tempwn0.gif.html

The answer is simple: the Earth is round.

Look at it this way on a round Earth it is always downhill from wherever you are. You just cannot see it, detect it or measure it.  You have to theorize upon it and be convinced of it and if you do not believe - mocked of that fact.

What do you call all of the space pictures?  They all seem to show that the Earth is round.  I think that would be considered proof that the Earth is round.

This is a post I found on this forum which brilliantly shows boats going over the horizon:

This series of pictures shows ships between 15-25km from the observer, photographed from both sea level and 12m altitude.  Also included are pictures of the distant shoreline of the island that lies across the bay, from both sea level and 12m altitude.  There are examples of photos taken at magnifications of 1:1, 8:1 and 28:1. 

In these series are shown;

1. ships at 8 times magnification viewed from different elevations, the higher elevations revealing more of the hulls than are visible at sea level (0m)
2. Island coastland viewed at 8x magnification from different elevations, with more of the lower view of the coast visible from higher elevations
3. 28x telescope images of selected views of both coastal land and ships showing that higher magnification does not increase the proportion of the subject viewable but that higher elevation does increase the proportion of the subject that is visible.

Note: Some images have been reduced in size to make comparisons easier, the full view is available by cliking the image.


Ship 1, 1x mag. 12m alt. (enlarged to show detail)

Ships Below the Horizon by max_wedge, on Flickr

Ship 1, 8x mag. 12m alt.

Ships Below the Horizon by max_wedge, on Flickr

Ship 1, 8x mag. 12m alt.

Ships Below the Horizon by max_wedge, on Flickr

Ship 1, 8x mag. 0m alt.

Ships Below the Horizon by max_wedge, on Flickr

Ship 1, 8x mag. 0m alt.  (note ship 2 behind ship1. The hull of ship 2 is not even visible)

Ships Below the Horizon by max_wedge, on Flickr

Ship 2, 8x mag. 0m alt.

Ships Below the Horizon by max_wedge, on Flickr

Ship 2, 8x mag. 12m alt.

Ships Below the Horizon by max_wedge, on Flickr

Ship 3, 8x mag. 0m alt.

Ships Below the Horizon by max_wedge, on Flickr

Ship 3, 28x mag. 0m alt. 

Ships Below the Horizon by max_wedge, on Flickr

Ship 2, 28x mag. 1.5m alt.

Ships Below the Horizon by max_wedge, on Flickr

Ship 2, 28x mag. 12m alt.

Ships Below the Horizon by max_wedge, on Flickr

Dune, 8x mag. 0m alt.

Ships Below the Horizon by max_wedge, on Flickr

Dune, 8x mag. 12m alt.

Ships Below the Horizon by max_wedge, on Flickr

Houses on hill, 8x mag. 0m alt.

Ships Below the Horizon by max_wedge, on Flickr

Houses on hill, 28x mag. 1.5m alt.

Ships Below the Horizon by max_wedge, on Flickr

Houses on hill, 8x mag. 12m alt.

Ships Below the Horizon by max_wedge, on Flickr

Apartments, 8x mag 1.5m alt

Ships Below the Horizon by max_wedge, on Flickr

Apartments, 28x mag. 1.5m alt.

Ships Below the Horizon by max_wedge, on Flickr

Quote from: Mikey T Lovzballs on April 30, 2015, 06:34:59 PM

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Quote from: charles bloomington on April 29, 2015, 07:18:30 AM

]We should see or you will see . Big differance in stated claim .  Oh & what you just stated proves your talking shit & the earth is flat . HOW ARE YOU LINEING UP YOUR  SPOKES on  your spherical ?

Not quite sure what you mean,   the levels are measuring the same as the line of a plumb bob,  or pendulum.    If you are struggling with that concept , get a piece of string and tie a heavy weight to it, now suspend it from the roof.  Does it hang vertically?   Hang another one 50 meters away and measure if they are parallel,   the answer is they aren't parallel, they are at an angle of 1.62 arc seconds to each other because of the curvature of the earth, if the earth was flat they would be hanging parallel.   Do you understand it better now?

So your saying a plumb bob doesn't hang true vertical ?. Is that your claim ?A Yes or No answer will be fine .

Yes,  correct,  a plumb bob always hangs vertical.   Remember vertical is determined by gravity, in other words  It's the direction things fall.

And to expand, vertical is defined as pointing directly at the center of the earth.

Well grab an orange & a packet of skewers . Let us  know how that works for ya.

In what way was that infantile and moronic response helpful or adding to the conversation?

There's nothing infantile or moronic about it. Grab an orange & stick skewers in it , as a  representation  of your spherical  model. Then you can envisage just how ridiculous your spherical proposal is .
Its obvious scrotum your provoking a slinging match of insult . Grow up ...........

Actually you know you are right.  It would be a representation in a way of what is being proposed.  The skewers will be wider apart at the top than at the bottom.  Now, if you can stop thinking the Earth is so small that you must be able to see curvature at ground level then we may be able to get you out of this rut you are in. 
Open your eyes, and stop trying to incite arguments. 
I said it was infantile do to the vast differences in the analog of the plum bob to the skewers vs the analog of the orange to the Earth.  Moronic because you assumed it was funny, hence your 

Let us  know how that works for ya.

portion of your post.  Knowing how you post, and how you never actually using your brain for things other than insults, I took it as a passive-aggressive response.  The tone matched up, I am sure it was your intention as well.

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Quote from: charles bloomington on April 30, 2015, 03:29:27 AM

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Quote from: charles bloomington on April 29, 2015, 07:18:30 AM

]We should see or you will see . Big differance in stated claim .  Oh & what you just stated proves your talking shit & the earth is flat . HOW ARE YOU LINEING UP YOUR  SPOKES on  your spherical ?

Not quite sure what you mean,   the levels are measuring the same as the line of a plumb bob,  or pendulum.    If you are struggling with that concept , get a piece of string and tie a heavy weight to it, now suspend it from the roof.  Does it hang vertically?   Hang another one 50 meters away and measure if they are parallel,   the answer is they aren't parallel, they are at an angle of 1.62 arc seconds to each other because of the curvature of the earth, if the earth was flat they would be hanging parallel.   Do you understand it better now?

So your saying a plumb bob doesn't hang true vertical ?. Is that your claim ?A Yes or No answer will be fine .

Yes,  correct,  a plumb bob always hangs vertical.   Remember vertical is determined by gravity, in other words  It's the direction things fall.

And to expand, vertical is defined as pointing directly at the center of the earth.

Well grab an orange & a packet of skewers . Let us  know how that works for ya.

In what way was that infantile and moronic response helpful or adding to the conversation?

There's nothing infantile or moronic about it. Grab an orange & stick skewers in it , as a  representation  of your spherical  model. Then you can envisage just how ridiculous your spherical proposal is .
Its obvious scrotum your provoking a slinging match of insult . Grow up ...........

Actually you know you are right.  It would be a representation in a way of what is being proposed.  The skewers will be wider apart at the top than at the bottom.  Now, if you can stop thinking the Earth is so small that you must be able to see curvature at ground level then we may be able to get you out of this rut you are in. 
Open your eyes, and stop trying to incite arguments. 
I said it was infantile do to the vast differences in the analog of the plum bob to the skewers vs the analog of the orange to the Earth.  Moronic because you assumed it was funny, hence your 

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Let us  know how that works for ya.

portion of your post.  Knowing how you post, and how you never actually using your brain for things other than insults, I took it as a passive-aggressive response.  The tone matched up, I am sure it was your intention as well.

How  many miles of fenceing have you strained  . In my time on this shit hole place we call earth.  i'v strained hundreds of miles , ever post set vertical . Now I think id  notice a gradual lean & curviture taking place with the posts I had  set in the ground . Yet I never have .

This is a post I found on this forum which brilliantly shows boats going over the horizon:

Funny that none of the ships are rolling over to match your curved earth.
These pictures show the earth is flat.

Quote from: mikeman7918 on May 01, 2015, 03:50:10 PM

This is a post I found on this forum which brilliantly shows boats going over the horizon:

Funny that none of the ships are rolling over to match your curved earth.
These pictures show the earth is flat.

Except that there is a curve. Facing away from the viewer.

Quote from: tappet on May 02, 2015, 02:23:34 AM

Quote from: mikeman7918 on May 01, 2015, 03:50:10 PM

This is a post I found on this forum which brilliantly shows boats going over the horizon:

Funny that none of the ships are rolling over to match your curved earth.
These pictures show the earth is flat.

Except that there is a curve. Facing away from the viewer.

So is the ship rolling away from the viewer?

When you are standing at sea level the horizon is about 3 miles away and an arc length of 3 miles on a sphere with a radius of 4,000 miles is only 0.00001 degrees which is how much you would expect the ship to be tipping away from you.  Do the calculations yourself if you want, the math doesn't lie.

When you are standing at sea level the horizon is about 3 miles away and an arc length of 3 miles on a sphere with a radius of 4,000 miles is only 0.00001 degrees which is how much you would expect the ship to be tipping away from you.  Do the calculations yourself if you want, the math doesn't lie.

It does if you apply it to made up nonsence. If the ship was going over the horizon as your claiming these's photos prove .Then why is the top of the ship being seen to  rise above the hilly  landscape behind it ?.

Quote from: mikeman7918 on May 02, 2015, 08:03:05 AM

When you are standing at sea level the horizon is about 3 miles away and an arc length of 3 miles on a sphere with a radius of 4,000 miles is only 0.00001 degrees which is how much you would expect the ship to be tipping away from you.  Do the calculations yourself if you want, the math doesn't lie.

It does if you apply it to made up nonsence. If the ship was going over the horizon as your claiming these's photos prove .Then why is the top of the ship being seen to  rise above the hilly  landscape behind it ?.

It's a product of the camera changing altitude.

When you are standing at sea level the horizon is about 3 miles away and an arc length of 3 miles on a sphere with a radius of 4,000 miles is only 0.00001 degrees which is how much you would expect the ship to be tipping away from you.  Do the calculations yourself if you want, the math doesn't lie.

So if the horizon is such a short distance away creating sinking ship, we have a problem then with left to right curvature when a straight edge is applied.
Therefore sinking ship is not round earth.

Quote from: mikeman7918 on May 02, 2015, 08:03:05 AM

When you are standing at sea level the horizon is about 3 miles away and an arc length of 3 miles on a sphere with a radius of 4,000 miles is only 0.00001 degrees which is how much you would expect the ship to be tipping away from you.  Do the calculations yourself if you want, the math doesn't lie.

So if the horizon is such a short distance away creating sinking ship, we have a problem then with left to right curvature when a straight edge is applied.
Therefore sinking ship is not round earth.

What left to right curvature are you talking about and what strait edge are you referring to?  You post makes no sense to me.

Quote from: mikeman7918 on May 02, 2015, 08:03:05 AM

When you are standing at sea level the horizon is about 3 miles away and an arc length of 3 miles on a sphere with a radius of 4,000 miles is only 0.00001 degrees which is how much you would expect the ship to be tipping away from you.  Do the calculations yourself if you want, the math doesn't lie.

So if the horizon is such a short distance away creating sinking ship, we have a problem then with left to right curvature when a straight edge is applied.
Therefore sinking ship is not round earth.

Well, a sinking ship is not a flat earth either. Logic would suggest that the only model in which this phenomena could be observed is if the earth was round.

Quote from: tappet on May 02, 2015, 02:24:31 PM

Quote from: mikeman7918 on May 02, 2015, 08:03:05 AM

When you are standing at sea level the horizon is about 3 miles away and an arc length of 3 miles on a sphere with a radius of 4,000 miles is only 0.00001 degrees which is how much you would expect the ship to be tipping away from you.  Do the calculations yourself if you want, the math doesn't lie.

So if the horizon is such a short distance away creating sinking ship, we have a problem then with left to right curvature when a straight edge is applied.
Therefore sinking ship is not round earth.

Well, a sinking ship is not a flat earth either. Logic would suggest that the only model in which this phenomena could be observed is if the earth was round.

No, you are not thinking for yourself.
Start by standing on a cliff and look at the water straight down between your feet.
Then sit down and have a think.

Quote from: Scroto Gaggins on May 02, 2015, 04:33:08 PM

Quote from: tappet on May 02, 2015, 02:24:31 PM

Quote from: mikeman7918 on May 02, 2015, 08:03:05 AM

When you are standing at sea level the horizon is about 3 miles away and an arc length of 3 miles on a sphere with a radius of 4,000 miles is only 0.00001 degrees which is how much you would expect the ship to be tipping away from you.  Do the calculations yourself if you want, the math doesn't lie.

So if the horizon is such a short distance away creating sinking ship, we have a problem then with left to right curvature when a straight edge is applied.
Therefore sinking ship is not round earth.

Well, a sinking ship is not a flat earth either. Logic would suggest that the only model in which this phenomena could be observed is if the earth was round.

No, you are not thinking for yourself.
Start by standing on a cliff and look at the water straight down between your feet.
Then sit down and have a think.

I'm sorry, how can a ship (or the sun) appear to sink over the horizon on a flat earth?

Quote from: tappet on May 02, 2015, 05:52:26 PM

Quote from: Scroto Gaggins on May 02, 2015, 04:33:08 PM

Quote from: tappet on May 02, 2015, 02:24:31 PM

Quote from: mikeman7918 on May 02, 2015, 08:03:05 AM

When you are standing at sea level the horizon is about 3 miles away and an arc length of 3 miles on a sphere with a radius of 4,000 miles is only 0.00001 degrees which is how much you would expect the ship to be tipping away from you.  Do the calculations yourself if you want, the math doesn't lie.

So if the horizon is such a short distance away creating sinking ship, we have a problem then with left to right curvature when a straight edge is applied.
Therefore sinking ship is not round earth.

Well, a sinking ship is not a flat earth either. Logic would suggest that the only model in which this phenomena could be observed is if the earth was round.

No, you are not thinking for yourself.
Start by standing on a cliff and look at the water straight down between your feet.
Then sit down and have a think.

I'm sorry, how can a ship (or the sun) appear to sink over the horizon on a flat earth?

You did not do it did you?
It will not work looking at a computer screen.

Quote from: Scroto Gaggins on May 02, 2015, 06:36:02 PM

Quote from: tappet on May 02, 2015, 05:52:26 PM

Quote from: Scroto Gaggins on May 02, 2015, 04:33:08 PM

Quote from: tappet on May 02, 2015, 02:24:31 PM

Quote from: mikeman7918 on May 02, 2015, 08:03:05 AM

When you are standing at sea level the horizon is about 3 miles away and an arc length of 3 miles on a sphere with a radius of 4,000 miles is only 0.00001 degrees which is how much you would expect the ship to be tipping away from you.  Do the calculations yourself if you want, the math doesn't lie.

So if the horizon is such a short distance away creating sinking ship, we have a problem then with left to right curvature when a straight edge is applied.
Therefore sinking ship is not round earth.

Well, a sinking ship is not a flat earth either. Logic would suggest that the only model in which this phenomena could be observed is if the earth was round.

No, you are not thinking for yourself.
Start by standing on a cliff and look at the water straight down between your feet.
Then sit down and have a think.

I'm sorry, how can a ship (or the sun) appear to sink over the horizon on a flat earth?

You did not do it did you?
It will not work looking at a computer screen.

There aren't any cliffs near by, so a bit of a long drive.
Could you just sum up your points, so I can save on petrol?

Quote from: tappet on May 02, 2015, 02:24:31 PM

Quote from: mikeman7918 on May 02, 2015, 08:03:05 AM

When you are standing at sea level the horizon is about 3 miles away and an arc length of 3 miles on a sphere with a radius of 4,000 miles is only 0.00001 degrees which is how much you would expect the ship to be tipping away from you.  Do the calculations yourself if you want, the math doesn't lie.

So if the horizon is such a short distance away creating sinking ship, we have a problem then with left to right curvature when a straight edge is applied.
Therefore sinking ship is not round earth.

Well, a sinking ship is not a flat earth either. Logic would suggest that the only model in which this phenomena could be observed is if the earth was round.

total rubbish .logic would suggest optical  illusion . Because your not seeing a curviture horizontally.&your seeing the ship rise above the  hills in the back ground , when it suppose to be go over the horizon , which would  meen  you shouldn't be seeing the  ship rising above the hills in the back ground .

Quote from: Scroto Gaggins on May 02, 2015, 04:33:08 PM

Quote from: tappet on May 02, 2015, 02:24:31 PM

Quote from: mikeman7918 on May 02, 2015, 08:03:05 AM

When you are standing at sea level the horizon is about 3 miles away and an arc length of 3 miles on a sphere with a radius of 4,000 miles is only 0.00001 degrees which is how much you would expect the ship to be tipping away from you.  Do the calculations yourself if you want, the math doesn't lie.

So if the horizon is such a short distance away creating sinking ship, we have a problem then with left to right curvature when a straight edge is applied.
Therefore sinking ship is not round earth.

Well, a sinking ship is not a flat earth either. Logic would suggest that the only model in which this phenomena could be observed is if the earth was round.

total rubbish .logic would suggest optical  illusion . Because your not seeing a curviture horizontally.&your seeing the ship rise above the  hills in the back ground , when it suppose to be go over the horizon , which would  meen  you shouldn't be seeing the  ship rising above the hills in the back ground .

The ship is on the "hill" of water created by the curvature of Earth, so of course the ship would apear to be higher then the hills.