Why the Earth Cannot Be Round

How about we just do the bedford level experiment on a much larger scale?
Like Africa to N. America. Just have a powerful telescope, and wait and see.
If you cant see the coastline of N. America, then the earth is not flat.
The reason why you can't see America is because of the curvature.
What is there to get confused about?

How about you dont see  the coastline of north america from  Africa , because its not located where you think it is . You only  think it should be seen .Because your false map is misleading you in to believing so.

Quote from: Scroto Gaggins on April 27, 2015, 04:01:45 PM

How about we just do the bedford level experiment on a much larger scale?
Like Africa to N. America. Just have a powerful telescope, and wait and see.
If you cant see the coastline of N. America, then the earth is not flat.
The reason why you can't see America is because of the curvature.
What is there to get confused about?

How about you dont see  the coastline of north america from  Africa , because its not located where you think it is . You only  think it should be seen .Because your false map is misleading you in to believing so.

And your evidence is?...

FE'rs don't even HAVE a map. Why not accept this as the evidence it is? You have noe evidence, we have plenty.

Quote from: charles bloomington on April 27, 2015, 07:24:36 AM

No I see you don't . http://www.controlglobal.com/articles/2009/guidetopressureleveltrans0902/
The level of a liquid in a vessel can be measured directly or inferentially. Examples of direct level measurement include float, magnetostrictive, retracting, capacitance, radar, ultrasonic and laser level measurement technologies. Weight and differential pressure technology measure level inferentially. All have problems that can potentially affect the level measurement.

You actually don't know about differential level sensors,  what you linked to is differential pressure transducers,  they are not generally sensitive enough and subject to all kinds of secondary effects.   

Here you go..  " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">   with a differential pair,  zeroed at one location,  you could measure the curvature of the earth over a distance of less than 50 meters,  also since it's a precision pendulum system, it not only measures the earth's curvature,  eliminating the flat earth theory,  it also eliminates the concave earth theory, by not having to resort to optical line of sight methods, which the concave earthers will object to,  saying light bends.  This method avoids that objection.

The resolution is 0.02 arc-seconds which works out to less than 1 meter,  about  600mm,  the quoted accuracy is 0.2 arc seconds.  which is about  6 meters,   ( 20 ft for the metrically challenged )

So you can prove the shape of the earth easily,  no conspiracy, no mistake,  no resorting to optical effects.   Done and dusted.

]The quoted accuracy is 0.2 arc  seconds, oh yes the  sales brochure. What they state its capability is &  reality  is always a differant ball game . Maybe  you could talk the  manufacturer in to demonstrating  the  accuracy & proving the curvature of earth with It . What a imfa commercial that would make . It will be right  up there with the nutra bullet & slice o matic .you idiot

Maybe  you could talk the  manufacturer in to demonstrating  the  accuracy & proving the curvature of earth with It . What a imfa commercial that would make . It will be right  up there with the nutra bullet & slice o matic .you idiot

I'll try to restrict the discussion to scientific instruments you might be familiar with.

So ...    what did you think of your slice-o-matic,   I bet you went for the  buy 2 and get the free steak knives option.  The super sucker deal.

Quote from: charles bloomington on April 28, 2015, 06:18:56 AM

Quote from: Scroto Gaggins on April 27, 2015, 04:01:45 PM

How about we just do the bedford level experiment on a much larger scale?
Like Africa to N. America. Just have a powerful telescope, and wait and see.
If you cant see the coastline of N. America, then the earth is not flat.
The reason why you can't see America is because of the curvature.
What is there to get confused about?

How about you dont see  the coastline of north america from  Africa , because its not located where you think it is . You only  think it should be seen .Because your false map is misleading you in to believing so.

And your evidence is?...

FE'rs don't even HAVE a map. Why not accept this as the evidence it is? You have noe evidence, we have plenty.

i'v already state on this forum where you can find it . In a ucc1 court filing.

Quote from: charles bloomington on April 28, 2015, 07:08:33 AM

Maybe  you could talk the  manufacturer in to demonstrating  the  accuracy & proving the curvature of earth with It . What a imfa commercial that would make . It will be right  up there with the nutra bullet & slice o matic .you idiot

I'll try to restrict the discussion to scientific instruments you might be familiar with.

So ...    what did you think of your slice-o-matic,   I bet you went for the  buy 2 and get the free steak knives option.  The super sucker deal.

No I leave the sucking  to your creed.

Quote from: Rayzor on April 28, 2015, 07:15:20 AM

Quote from: charles bloomington on April 28, 2015, 07:08:33 AM

Maybe  you could talk the  manufacturer in to demonstrating  the  accuracy & proving the curvature of earth with It . What a imfa commercial that would make . It will be right  up there with the nutra bullet & slice o matic .you idiot

I'll try to restrict the discussion to scientific instruments you might be familiar with.

So ...    what did you think of your slice-o-matic,   I bet you went for the  buy 2 and get the free steak knives option.  The super sucker deal.

No I leave the sucking  to your creed.

That's about the level of response was expecting.    Just to continue your education,  Mahr Federal https://www.mahr.com/index.php?NodeID=13742  also make precision differential levels with suitable sensitivity for measuring the earth's curvature. 

Quote from: charles bloomington on April 28, 2015, 07:26:17 AM

Quote from: Rayzor on April 28, 2015, 07:15:20 AM

Quote from: charles bloomington on April 28, 2015, 07:08:33 AM

Maybe  you could talk the  manufacturer in to demonstrating  the  accuracy & proving the curvature of earth with It . What a imfa commercial that would make . It will be right  up there with the nutra bullet & slice o matic .you idiot

I'll try to restrict the discussion to scientific instruments you might be familiar with.

So ...    what did you think of your slice-o-matic,   I bet you went for the  buy 2 and get the free steak knives option.  The super sucker deal.

No I leave the sucking  to your creed.

That's about the level of response was expecting.    Just to continue your education,  Mahr Federal https://www.mahr.com/index.php?NodeID=13742  also make precision differential levels with suitable sensitivity for measuring the earth's curvature.

Now I will ask you again, how are you determining your right angles. Could you demonstrate how you are achieving that on your spherical  model.? Lets dumb it down for the punters & use a spoked wheel for a basic  exsample. Now lets apply one side of a engineers square to the edge of the spoke . The other edge giving us the right angle , to shoot our straight line from . Are you phucken crazzy or just plain retarded. ?

Nope, he still cannot grasp the concept.  Rayzor I think you are wasting your time, basically trying to have a discussion about precision equipment to someone who has the mentality of a 8 year old.  BTW I am not making fun of you, I am making an observation due to the immediate jump to name calling and insults, as if that makes your failed reasoning correct.

I bet he is still confused about the controls for experiments from earlier.  I'm sure he thinks all experimentation controls are part of the conspiracy.

Nope, he still cannot grasp the concept.  Rayzor I think you are wasting your time, basically trying to have a discussion about precision equipment to someone who has the mentality of a 8 year old. 

I suspect you are correct,  but I know lots of 8 year olds who can grasp the concept of level and straight. 

Now I will ask you again, how are you determining your right angles. Could you demonstrate how you are achieving that on your spherical  model.? Lets dumb it down for the punters & use a spoked wheel for a basic  exsample. Now lets apply one side of a engineers square to the edge of the spoke . The other edge giving us the right angle , to shoot our straight line from . Are you phucken crazzy or just plain retarded. ?

Ok let's try again,  you know that the spokes of a wheel are not parallel,  let's go with that,   the precision levels  work using pendulum's with sensitive electronics to detect microscopic movement,  the measurement is in terms of the angle of the instrument to vertical ( one spoke of the wheel ) now we find that with two levels ( a differential pair) moved apart by 50 meters, so each one measuring a spoke on the wheel.  If the earth was flat the angles would be the same.  That's not we find at all,  we find there is a difference in the angles which reflects the earth's curvature.  Since the curvature we measure is convex,  that measurement rules out concave earth theories also..   

Over the distance of 50 meters we should see about 1.62 arc-seconds  which works out to a wheel radius of 6300 km give or take.   Funny,  that's the radius of the earth isn't it. 

Direct  optical  earth curvature measurements are disputed by  the concave theorists,  who insist light travels in curved lines which creates the illusion of convex earth.  This method doesn't use optical instruments and therefore eliminates the concave earth theory once and for all.

That's it,  happy to answer any further questions,  just leave the insults and ranting in the playground.

Nope, he still cannot grasp the concept.  Rayzor I think you are wasting your time, basically trying to have a discussion about precision equipment to someone who has the mentality of a 8 year old.  BTW I am not making fun of you, I am making an observation due to the immediate jump to name calling and insults, as if that makes your failed reasoning correct.

I bet he is still confused about the controls for experiments from earlier.  I'm sure he thinks all experimentation controls are part of the conspiracy.

I think you need to grasp it less .before you do your self a nasty mischief old Scrotum. Observation ? The way your fondaling it , id guess your not that far off being classed as legally blind.

Quote from: Mikey T Lovzballs on April 28, 2015, 03:58:32 PM

Nope, he still cannot grasp the concept.  Rayzor I think you are wasting your time, basically trying to have a discussion about precision equipment to someone who has the mentality of a 8 year old. 

I suspect you are correct,  but I know lots of 8 year olds who can grasp the concept of level and straight. 

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Now I will ask you again, how are you determining your right angles. Could you demonstrate how you are achieving that on your spherical  model.? Lets dumb it down for the punters & use a spoked wheel for a basic  exsample. Now lets apply one side of a engineers square to the edge of the spoke . The other edge giving us the right angle , to shoot our straight line from . Are you phucken crazzy or just plain retarded. ?

Ok let's try again,  you know that the spokes of a wheel are not parallel,  let's go with that,   the precision levels  work using pendulum's with sensitive electronics to detect microscopic movement,  the measurement is in terms of the angle of the instrument to vertical ( one spoke of the wheel ) now we find that with two levels ( a differential pair) moved apart by 50 meters, so each one measuring a spoke on the wheel.  If the earth was flat the angles would be the same.  That's not we find at all,  we find there is a difference in the angles which reflects the earth's curvature.  Since the curvature we measure is convex,  that measurement rules out concave earth theories also..   

Over the distance of 50 meters we should see about 1.62 arc-seconds  which works out to a wheel radius of 6300 km give or take.   Funny,  that's the radius of the earth isn't it. 

Direct  optical  earth curvature measurements are disputed by  the concave theorists,  who insist light travels in curved lines which creates the illusion of convex earth.  This method doesn't use optical instruments and therefore eliminates the concave earth theory once and for all.

That's it,  happy to answer any further questions,  just leave the insults and ranting in the playground.

We should see or you will see . Big differance in stated claim .  Oh & what you just stated proves your talking shit & the earth is flat . HOW ARE YOU LINEING UP YOUR  SPOKES on  your spherical ?

]We should see or you will see . Big differance in stated claim .  Oh & what you just stated proves your talking shit & the earth is flat . HOW ARE YOU LINEING UP YOUR  SPOKES on  your spherical ?

Not quite sure what you mean,   the levels are measuring the same as the line of a plumb bob,  or pendulum.    If you are struggling with that concept , get a piece of string and tie a heavy weight to it, now suspend it from the roof.  Does it hang vertically?   Hang another one 50 meters away and measure if they are parallel,   the answer is they aren't parallel, they are at an angle of 1.62 arc seconds to each other because of the curvature of the earth, if the earth was flat they would be hanging parallel.   Do you understand it better now?

Wait for it, either silence of more incoherent babbling and insults incoming.  Seeing that this is the way he responds when he doesn't get his way.  Probably was off on the estimate a bit, he acts closer to a toddler that you just took candy away from.  Not quite as bad though. 

HOW ARE YOU LINEING UP YOUR  SPOKES on  your spherical ?

The spherical what?  You ended the sentence (which barely qualifies as a sentence) with an adjective.  Where is the noun?  Do you even know what adjectives and nouns are?  Why should we believe you understand anything about geometry when you can barely type a simple sentence?

or just plain retarded. ?

Oh the irony.

Quote from: Scroto Gaggins on April 27, 2015, 04:01:45 PM

How about we just do the bedford level experiment on a much larger scale?
Like Africa to N. America. Just have a powerful telescope, and wait and see.
If you cant see the coastline of N. America, then the earth is not flat.
The reason why you can't see America is because of the curvature.
What is there to get confused about?

How about you dont see  the coastline of north america from  Africa , because its not located where you think it is . You only  think it should be seen .Because your false map is misleading you in to believing so.

That doesn't matter.  On a flat earth you should be able to see land in any direction you look at a beach, yet it just seems like water as far as you can see until it's obstructed by the curvature of our very round Earth.  The first link in my forum signature covers this and proves that you should be able to see New York from across the Atlantic Ocean if the Earth were flat.

Quote from: charles bloomington on April 28, 2015, 06:18:56 AM

Quote from: Scroto Gaggins on April 27, 2015, 04:01:45 PM

How about we just do the bedford level experiment on a much larger scale?
Like Africa to N. America. Just have a powerful telescope, and wait and see.
If you cant see the coastline of N. America, then the earth is not flat.
The reason why you can't see America is because of the curvature.
What is there to get confused about?

How about you dont see  the coastline of north america from  Africa , because its not located where you think it is . You only  think it should be seen .Because your false map is misleading you in to believing so.

That doesn't matter.  On a flat earth you should be able to see land in any direction you look at a beach, yet it just seems like water as far as you can see until it's obstructed by the curvature of our very round Earth.  The first link in my forum signature covers this and proves that you should be able to see New York from across the Atlantic Ocean if the Earth were flat.

That video was the inspiration for my post

Quote from: charles bloomington on April 29, 2015, 07:18:30 AM

HOW ARE YOU LINEING UP YOUR  SPOKES on  your spherical ?

The spherical what?  You ended the sentence (which barely qualifies as a sentence) with an adjective.  Where is the noun?  Do you even know what adjectives and nouns are?  Why should we believe you understand anything about geometry when you can barely type a simple sentence?

Quote from: charles bloomington on April 28, 2015, 03:34:46 PM

or just plain retarded. ?

Oh the irony.

Is it  that time of the month again lady Richard ?

Quote from: charles bloomington on April 29, 2015, 07:18:30 AM

]We should see or you will see . Big differance in stated claim .  Oh & what you just stated proves your talking shit & the earth is flat . HOW ARE YOU LINEING UP YOUR  SPOKES on  your spherical ?

Not quite sure what you mean,   the levels are measuring the same as the line of a plumb bob,  or pendulum.    If you are struggling with that concept , get a piece of string and tie a heavy weight to it, now suspend it from the roof.  Does it hang vertically?   Hang another one 50 meters away and measure if they are parallel,   the answer is they aren't parallel, they are at an angle of 1.62 arc seconds to each other because of the curvature of the earth, if the earth was flat they would be hanging parallel.   Do you understand it better now?

So your saying a plumb bob doesn't hang true vertical ?. Is that your claim ?A Yes or No answer will be fine .

Quote from: Rayzor on April 29, 2015, 08:25:06 AM

Quote from: charles bloomington on April 29, 2015, 07:18:30 AM

]We should see or you will see . Big differance in stated claim .  Oh & what you just stated proves your talking shit & the earth is flat . HOW ARE YOU LINEING UP YOUR  SPOKES on  your spherical ?

Not quite sure what you mean,   the levels are measuring the same as the line of a plumb bob,  or pendulum.    If you are struggling with that concept , get a piece of string and tie a heavy weight to it, now suspend it from the roof.  Does it hang vertically?   Hang another one 50 meters away and measure if they are parallel,   the answer is they aren't parallel, they are at an angle of 1.62 arc seconds to each other because of the curvature of the earth, if the earth was flat they would be hanging parallel.   Do you understand it better now?

So your saying a plumb bob doesn't hang true vertical ?. Is that your claim ?A Yes or No answer will be fine .

Yes,  correct,  a plumb bob always hangs vertical.   Remember vertical is determined by gravity, in other words  It's the direction things fall.

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Quote from: charles bloomington on April 29, 2015, 07:18:30 AM

]We should see or you will see . Big differance in stated claim .  Oh & what you just stated proves your talking shit & the earth is flat . HOW ARE YOU LINEING UP YOUR  SPOKES on  your spherical ?

Not quite sure what you mean,   the levels are measuring the same as the line of a plumb bob,  or pendulum.    If you are struggling with that concept , get a piece of string and tie a heavy weight to it, now suspend it from the roof.  Does it hang vertically?   Hang another one 50 meters away and measure if they are parallel,   the answer is they aren't parallel, they are at an angle of 1.62 arc seconds to each other because of the curvature of the earth, if the earth was flat they would be hanging parallel.   Do you understand it better now?

So your saying a plumb bob doesn't hang true vertical ?. Is that your claim ?A Yes or No answer will be fine .

Yes,  correct,  a plumb bob always hangs vertical.   Remember vertical is determined by gravity, in other words  It's the direction things fall.

And to expand, vertical is defined as pointing directly at the center of the earth.

Quote from: Rayzor on April 30, 2015, 03:58:39 AM

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Quote from: charles bloomington on April 29, 2015, 07:18:30 AM

]We should see or you will see . Big differance in stated claim .  Oh & what you just stated proves your talking shit & the earth is flat . HOW ARE YOU LINEING UP YOUR  SPOKES on  your spherical ?

Not quite sure what you mean,   the levels are measuring the same as the line of a plumb bob,  or pendulum.    If you are struggling with that concept , get a piece of string and tie a heavy weight to it, now suspend it from the roof.  Does it hang vertically?   Hang another one 50 meters away and measure if they are parallel,   the answer is they aren't parallel, they are at an angle of 1.62 arc seconds to each other because of the curvature of the earth, if the earth was flat they would be hanging parallel.   Do you understand it better now?

So your saying a plumb bob doesn't hang true vertical ?. Is that your claim ?A Yes or No answer will be fine .

Yes,  correct,  a plumb bob always hangs vertical.   Remember vertical is determined by gravity, in other words  It's the direction things fall.

And to expand, vertical is defined as pointing directly at the center of the earth.

Well grab an orange & a packet of skewers . Let us  know how that works for ya.

Can I answer why I think the Earth might actually be flat?  Because if no one told me it was round I would believe it was flat.  No where when they measure it - is it round - its always flat.   Water is flat - Kansas is flat - your yard is flat - well terrain but it does not curve away from you.

FISHEYE LENSES - Might have been specifically designed to capture wide vistas but they make it seem round when its pointed below the horizon - if you have a continous shot to 110000 feet (like you would on a weather balloon) it had better have a fisheye lens or it will not see the curve.  A standard issue camera will see a flat horizon.  It just makes me wonder if the FE people have a case.

I admit NASA would have to swallow us all whole to make us believe the earth was round - and the new space crop of people taking privately owned space craft up.  And the Russians?  It gets very heavy very fast. 

The observable world we live on is flat.  We are told and indoctrinated into believing its round, revolving and helixing through the galaxy at 70000 kmh or some such.  Think of this we are rotating about, revolving around the sun, all whilst it is whizzing along on the galactic arm?  that gets very heavy,very fast too and no one talks about how much motion we are having but how there are spots in the Pacific ocean called the doldrums where you can get no wind or water movement for weeks on end.  But we are moving at 70000km and everything matches pace?  cmon son.


Conspiracies are interesting - they just are - and seeing them makes people feel smart.  they feel they got the angle - the edge - the truth and knowing this might get you into all of them or keep you out of all of them.  Maybe some people prefer an interesting universe over a dull one - a faithful one over a faithless one. Everyones universe kinda revolves around them daily anyhow. 

The Earth cannot be round because for some strange reason - a great number of people cannot produce what should be simple to produce - an actual picture of it that is not very old and very odd.  With De Grass saying it is an oblong thing and the picture being of a cute blue ball. 

Plus Antarctica is a mystery and no one has traversed it and many should have.  They have a permanent presence down there for some odd non strategic reason and that fuels the fire of the edge of the flat world idea.

If it was flat and people got to mentioning it and forum-ing about it would be a full time job to mock and belittle the intelligence of any who would bring it up.  Just a few paid agitators and it gets cool and then the people who just love to make fun ride in. 

This debate is fraught with ad hominem - because someone might consider the idea the earth flat - they must be deranged - unintelligent and perhaps in need of anti-psychotic medication?  That is what it is reduced to most times - I see it in Origin debates and I see it here more oft than not. 

If no one had told you it was round  - would you ever think it was?  If it is flat and the North pole sits at the center would those curvey looking plane routes be straight then? 

I do not know and I suspect unless I could launch myself 20 miles straight up (and not hit the dome lid =) I might not know.  When I fly I am looking out a curved window and I can see very little curvature and I do not know if thats the window or the curve. 

If you look at the space jump pictures that red bull did a couple years back - they had more fish eye lenses than an aquarium. Why?  Why the care and concern?  It just goes to fuel the fire. 

I can sense no motion no disturbance yet you tell me I am flinging through the galaxy at flank speed?   

So again you all can tell me its curved and around globe.  That is cool.  But I do not see it or feel it or sense it is so.  My senses lead me to believe the opposites and judging on the actual scant amount of original works (pictures and accounts) to the opposing I am forced to lend more and more credence to the idea that this place might actually be flat.  With a really complex dome over us - like The Truman Show except with God as the producer. 

Now that IS worth making a conspiracy to cover up.

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Quote from: charles bloomington on April 30, 2015, 03:29:27 AM

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Quote from: charles bloomington on April 29, 2015, 07:18:30 AM

]We should see or you will see . Big differance in stated claim .  Oh & what you just stated proves your talking shit & the earth is flat . HOW ARE YOU LINEING UP YOUR  SPOKES on  your spherical ?

Not quite sure what you mean,   the levels are measuring the same as the line of a plumb bob,  or pendulum.    If you are struggling with that concept , get a piece of string and tie a heavy weight to it, now suspend it from the roof.  Does it hang vertically?   Hang another one 50 meters away and measure if they are parallel,   the answer is they aren't parallel, they are at an angle of 1.62 arc seconds to each other because of the curvature of the earth, if the earth was flat they would be hanging parallel.   Do you understand it better now?

So your saying a plumb bob doesn't hang true vertical ?. Is that your claim ?A Yes or No answer will be fine .

Yes,  correct,  a plumb bob always hangs vertical.   Remember vertical is determined by gravity, in other words  It's the direction things fall.

And to expand, vertical is defined as pointing directly at the center of the earth.

Well grab an orange & a packet of skewers . Let us  know how that works for ya.

In what way was that infantile and moronic response helpful or adding to the conversation? 

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Quote from: charles bloomington on April 29, 2015, 07:18:30 AM

]We should see or you will see . Big differance in stated claim .  Oh & what you just stated proves your talking shit & the earth is flat . HOW ARE YOU LINEING UP YOUR  SPOKES on  your spherical ?

Not quite sure what you mean,   the levels are measuring the same as the line of a plumb bob,  or pendulum.    If you are struggling with that concept , get a piece of string and tie a heavy weight to it, now suspend it from the roof.  Does it hang vertically?   Hang another one 50 meters away and measure if they are parallel,   the answer is they aren't parallel, they are at an angle of 1.62 arc seconds to each other because of the curvature of the earth, if the earth was flat they would be hanging parallel.   Do you understand it better now?

So your saying a plumb bob doesn't hang true vertical ?. Is that your claim ?A Yes or No answer will be fine .

Yes,  correct,  a plumb bob always hangs vertical.   Remember vertical is determined by gravity, in other words  It's the direction things fall.

And to expand, vertical is defined as pointing directly at the center of the earth.

Well grab an orange & a packet of skewers . Let us  know how that works for ya.

In what way was that infantile and moronic response helpful or adding to the conversation?

There's nothing infantile or moronic about it. Grab an orange & stick skewers in it , as a  representation  of your spherical  model. Then you can envisage just how ridiculous your spherical proposal is .
Its obvious scrotum your provoking a slinging match of insult . Grow up ...........

Can I answer why I think the Earth might actually be flat?  Because if no one told me it was round I would believe it was flat.  No where when they measure it - is it round - its always flat.   Water is flat - Kansas is flat - your yard is flat - well terrain but it does not curve away from you.

FISHEYE LENSES - Might have been specifically designed to capture wide vistas but they make it seem round when its pointed below the horizon - if you have a continous shot to 110000 feet (like you would on a weather balloon) it had better have a fisheye lens or it will not see the curve.  A standard issue camera will see a flat horizon.  It just makes me wonder if the FE people have a case.

I admit NASA would have to swallow us all whole to make us believe the earth was round - and the new space crop of people taking privately owned space craft up.  And the Russians?  It gets very heavy very fast. 

The observable world we live on is flat.  We are told and indoctrinated into believing its round, revolving and helixing through the galaxy at 70000 kmh or some such.  Think of this we are rotating about, revolving around the sun, all whilst it is whizzing along on the galactic arm?  that gets very heavy,very fast too and no one talks about how much motion we are having but how there are spots in the Pacific ocean called the doldrums where you can get no wind or water movement for weeks on end.  But we are moving at 70000km and everything matches pace?  cmon son.


Conspiracies are interesting - they just are - and seeing them makes people feel smart.  they feel they got the angle - the edge - the truth and knowing this might get you into all of them or keep you out of all of them.  Maybe some people prefer an interesting universe over a dull one - a faithful one over a faithless one. Everyones universe kinda revolves around them daily anyhow. 

The Earth cannot be round because for some strange reason - a great number of people cannot produce what should be simple to produce - an actual picture of it that is not very old and very odd.  With De Grass saying it is an oblong thing and the picture being of a cute blue ball. 

Plus Antarctica is a mystery and no one has traversed it and many should have.  They have a permanent presence down there for some odd non strategic reason and that fuels the fire of the edge of the flat world idea.

If it was flat and people got to mentioning it and forum-ing about it would be a full time job to mock and belittle the intelligence of any who would bring it up.  Just a few paid agitators and it gets cool and then the people who just love to make fun ride in. 

This debate is fraught with ad hominem - because someone might consider the idea the earth flat - they must be deranged - unintelligent and perhaps in need of anti-psychotic medication?  That is what it is reduced to most times - I see it in Origin debates and I see it here more oft than not. 

If no one had told you it was round  - would you ever think it was?  If it is flat and the North pole sits at the center would those curvey looking plane routes be straight then? 

I do not know and I suspect unless I could launch myself 20 miles straight up (and not hit the dome lid =) I might not know.  When I fly I am looking out a curved window and I can see very little curvature and I do not know if thats the window or the curve. 

If you look at the space jump pictures that red bull did a couple years back - they had more fish eye lenses than an aquarium. Why?  Why the care and concern?  It just goes to fuel the fire. 

I can sense no motion no disturbance yet you tell me I am flinging through the galaxy at flank speed?   

So again you all can tell me its curved and around globe.  That is cool.  But I do not see it or feel it or sense it is so.  My senses lead me to believe the opposites and judging on the actual scant amount of original works (pictures and accounts) to the opposing I am forced to lend more and more credence to the idea that this place might actually be flat.  With a really complex dome over us - like The Truman Show except with God as the producer. 

Now that IS worth making a conspiracy to cover up.

Why bring up the fact that Kansas is flat? Does that have any bearing on the shape of the world?
And as a rookie, can you tell me this; How does a sunset work on a flat earth?

Can I answer why I think the Earth might actually be flat?  Because if no one told me it was round I would believe it was flat.  No where when they measure it - is it round - its always flat.   Water is flat - Kansas is flat - your yard is flat - well terrain but it does not curve away from you.

Do you know how it's known that Kansas is literally flatter then a pancake?  It was measured with satellites orbiting the Earth.  The terrain does in fact curve away from you, that's why I can't see Mount Everest from where I am right now, that's why boats apear to sink under the horizon as they get further away from you, that's why you can't see continents from across oceans, ect, ect, ect...  The Earth is very round.

Quote from: tedrickvalton on April 30, 2015, 06:18:23 PM

Can I answer why I think the Earth might actually be flat?  Because if no one told me it was round I would believe it was flat.  No where when they measure it - is it round - its always flat.   Water is flat - Kansas is flat - your yard is flat - well terrain but it does not curve away from you.

Do you know how it's known that Kansas is literally flatter then a pancake?  It was measured with satellites orbiting the Earth.  The terrain does in fact curve away from you, that's why I can't see Mount Everest from where I am right now, that's why boats apear to sink under the horizon as they get further away from you, that's why you can't see continents from across oceans, ect, ect, ect...  The Earth is very round.

I suppose your going to claim theres  a curviture here as well.  http://www.smithsonianmag.com/travel/how-do-death-valleys-sailing-stones-move-themselves-across-the-desert-98287558/?page=2

Quote from: mikeman7918 on May 01, 2015, 08:17:02 AM

Quote from: tedrickvalton on April 30, 2015, 06:18:23 PM

Can I answer why I think the Earth might actually be flat?  Because if no one told me it was round I would believe it was flat.  No where when they measure it - is it round - its always flat.   Water is flat - Kansas is flat - your yard is flat - well terrain but it does not curve away from you.

Do you know how it's known that Kansas is literally flatter then a pancake?  It was measured with satellites orbiting the Earth.  The terrain does in fact curve away from you, that's why I can't see Mount Everest from where I am right now, that's why boats apear to sink under the horizon as they get further away from you, that's why you can't see continents from across oceans, ect, ect, ect...  The Earth is very round.

I suppose your going to claim theres  a curviture here as well.  http://www.smithsonianmag.com/travel/how-do-death-valleys-sailing-stones-move-themselves-across-the-desert-98287558/?page=2

What do the moving rocks of Death Valley have to do with the shape of the Earth?

And yes, O do believe that there is curvature there.

Kansas is on the Earth.  An Earth they want us to believe is round.  Earth curves 8 inches per mile.
http://mathcentral.uregina.ca/QQ/database/QQ.09.97/dyck2.html

Kansas is 417 miles in width.

That is 417 miles with 8" of curve per mile.   

That is 3336" worth of curve or 278 feet.  As a cross section Kansas would look like a low mountain that rose 278 feet at its center.  Which is never detected. 

As for boats and the horizon I have yet to see a ship at maximum range with just the topsail or flag protruding.  Just tales of that.  Plus would it also not be tipped away from you by a few degrees?

Same with trees and buildings. 

We keep getting pictures like this.


Which a single occurrence of would cause a severe problem with the round earth idea. 

Sunrises, sunsets?   That is some light bending super natural stuff - as it stands I have no natural explanation for how the sun is not rolling along  the surface.   
Maybe something like this?
http://s23.photobucket.com/user/qpiine/media/Flat%20Earth/tempwn0.gif.html



Look at it this way on a round Earth it is always downhill from wherever you are. You just cannot see it, detect it or measure it.  You have to theorize upon it and be convinced of it and if you do not believe - mocked of that fact.