The Flat Truth

NEWS FLASH - EARTH IS FLAT

I have really been digging and the truth is truth. It is flat.


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Wow.  I got about 5 minutes into your video and all that I can say is that there are so many things wrong with your "understanding" of RET that it's hard to know where to start.

NEWS FLASH - EARTH IS FLAT

I have really been digging and the truth is truth. It is flat.


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The deception of NASA is without measure.

I like the irony of your quote. There is nothing to measure.....

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NEWS FLASH - EARTH IS FLAT

I have really been digging and the truth is truth. It is flat.


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The deception of NASA is without measure.

I like the irony of your quote. There is nothing to measure.....

The deception of NASA is, in fact, measurable.  You could measure it by the number of lies told. 

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NEWS FLASH - EARTH IS FLAT

I have really been digging and the truth is truth. It is flat.


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The deception of NASA is without measure.

I like the irony of your quote. There is nothing to measure.....

The deception of NASA is, in fact, measurable.  You could measure it by the number of lies told.

And just how many lies would that be?

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NEWS FLASH - EARTH IS FLAT

I have really been digging and the truth is truth. It is flat.


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The deception of NASA is without measure.

I like the irony of your quote. There is nothing to measure.....

The deception of NASA is, in fact, measurable.  You could measure it by the number of lies told.

Give a figure for the number of lies. For each one, offer testable proof that it is a lie.

NEWS FLASH - THE EARTH IS ROUND
The links in my forum signature prove it.

NEWS FLASH - THE EARTH IS ROUND
The links in my forum signature prove it.

They do.

NEWS FLASH - GEOMETRY IS MADE UP BY THE HUMAN MIND
That means, shapes are not real. Kant proved that somehow. But the book is really thick.

The truth is that all it takes are a few FACTS and the rest is semantics.

1. NASA is filled with known liars, known photo hoaxers, known photo editors and is loved by those who foolishly adore and follow blindly.

2. Water cannot have a bend. If you would like to bring gravity in to play here, well then you can disprove gravity in this way as well. Two birds with one stone. If my glass of water is "flat" and a bucket of water is "flat" and a ten foot trough of water is "flat" well you can go from there. I actually am having an photographer grab a photo of the California coast from Santa Cruz to Santa Barbara. It will have the gps and EXIF data included and he will ensure the horizon is flat behind it. That distance is 487 miles.  Haha, laughable.... you want to make a bet? I'll bet you there is zero curvature of water and you must take the RET curvature of 324 feet.  LOL! That is classic. The Statue of Liberty is 305 feet. You really think the statue of liberty is standing between the two cities holding up this hill of water suspended in mid air by gravity?  Laughable. You can only use your made up geometry for so long. I'll admit, 400 years was a nice run, now move over intellectuals, time to go cry to Mommy about your globe and universe being a hoax.

3. Stars in the sky prove a non rotating earth. That one is simple to prove. Go out side tonight with your video camera and spin around like you are the earth and look with a comes out in the video. Hmmmm not the same is it? If I fly from the tip of South America to San Francisco and I take off at nightfall, can I watch the moon flip upside down?  No? Then sorry, not a globe.

Do you really need more? Ask NASA to go to the moon again. Oh yeah they can't, I forgot.

Did you see the human outside of Apollo 11 in my movie at http://xby.me/flat? So, what is the NASA lover's excuse gonna be now? 

Did you go through all the images at the site I directed you to at the end of my video?

Did you know that Erick Verlinde has already submitted a paper calling gravity a false theory?

Will you ever stop fighting for something so obviously wrong? It is okay... I promise you there is no hell okay. I understand that religion is a joke and the bible isn't divine but it is funny that those "ancient desert wanders" knew more than you.

Goodbye Globe, Goodbye Globalists, Goodbye NASA suck-ups, I wish I could say it was fun but you shills are relentless.

You're begging me to hate you. I normally take it easy on newbies, but forget that.
1. EVIDENCE, now. Otherwise false instantly, no argument.
2. I fail to see any proof or in fact any disproving
3. If it were that easy don't you think that we would've thought that? We aren't moving fast enough for the celestial bodies to appear to spin around. They do that at the poles, though.
4. Yes, they're going to do something they already did, spend more money that they could be investing in new things.
5. Yes, people can be in space with space suits. Magic, eh?
6. I do not care enough about your site to waste the bandwidth.
7. And? Who cares. Just because a paper is published is not magically changing reality.
8. Yes, I agree. There is no hell. But there is evidence to RE, and stupid ad hoc, idiotic, notions is all FE has.

I hope this crushed you, I'm happy to help people back to their senses.

You're begging me to hate you. I normally take it easy on newbies, but forget that.
1. EVIDENCE, now. Otherwise false instantly, no argument.
2. I fail to see any proof or in fact any disproving
3. If it were that easy don't you think that we would've thought that? We aren't moving fast enough for the celestial bodies to appear to spin around. They do that at the poles, though.
4. Yes, they're going to do something they already did, spend more money that they could be investing in new things.
5. Yes, people can be in space with space suits. Magic, eh?
6. I do not care enough about your site to waste the bandwidth.
7. And? Who cares. Just because a paper is published is not magically changing reality.
8. Yes, I agree. There is no hell. But there is evidence to RE, and stupid ad hoc, idiotic, notions is all FE has.

I hope this crushed you, I'm happy to help people back to their senses.

Yeah, crushed indeed.  The funny thing is you said, "But there is evidence to RE, and stupid ad hoc, idiotic, notions is all FE has." So, let me see if any of your points have a crushing effect.

1. You are kidding right? My video shows a)the lie of ISS, fast forwarding clearly seen meaning not traveling near 17,000 mph b)tons of faked photos all analyzed by a professional. The shadow on the ceiling? The light bulb Sun? The altered photos? The props being moved?

VERDICT: RE CLEARLY CRUSHED BY YOUR BELIEF IN NASA  - you can't win this one, too much proof. Stop trying to call clear hoaxing science please, you look silly.

2. You fail to see any proof? I have been looking into this far too long to go away that easy. I feel a bet coming. Are you going to take the side of Lady liberty standing in the middle of the two cities holding up a bulge of water? Are you going to say water can have a bulge? It can curve? Now, do you need crayons for your first day in kindergarten?

VERDICT: ONLY A FOOL WOULD CLAIM WATER CAN BEND.  Picture water in the shape of the letter n...   "  n   "   Is this possible?  Of course not. It would spill and become ___  which is ummm, flat.  That's FE 2  RE 0

3.  I don't even understand your explanation of three. Go watch a "star timelapse" see the circles the stars make?  Okay great. That is because we are spinning right Mr. Hates Me? Okay so now go outside and point your camera in the sky and spin in a circle, go inside and watch your movie, now cry yourself to sleep because

VERDICT: Duhhhh, the stars cannot make circles from a spinning Earth. FE 3 RE 0

4. Oh they don't like to do things they already have done huh. These are your true responses? If they would have gone back maybe they would have discovered water on the moon instead of letting a rover find it outta India. Buzz was too busy playing masonic loincloth I guess to notice the water! But you are right, NASA spends money wisely like the ISS taking the same photos satellites take. But that 150 billion has served humanity well... have you seen them flip a microphone? It spins!  I swear! And they are growing vegetables up there.

VERDICT: NASA CAN'T GO TO THE MOON, so FE 4 RE 0

5. Oh now there is a new member of Apollo 11 outside the ship running away and you explain this with "yes, people can be in space with space suits. Magic, eh?" Good one. That isn't weird at all. It'd be like you finding a video of Jesus being raised to heaven by a crane and a Christian explaining it with, well yeah, cranes can lift people, magic huh?

VERDICT: Dumbest response yet award and FE 5 RE -1

6. Cool, default win.

VERDICT: Too lazy to attempt to explain 1000 inconsistencies so FE 6 RE-2

7. So, you intellectuals can challenge me daily with this, "Where is your degree" "Where is your peer reviewed paper?" but when I do the same, now peer reviewed papers don't mean stuff is true?  Ummm, ad hoc, see definition. Please

VERDICT: Still out- it is only a theory - no pints awarded FE 6 RE -2

8. Has been summed up above, no point needed

VERDICT: Land slide win for FE.... 

Now, you must hate me so much more because THAT is how you crush!

And welcome to a football game. How about instead of asking me for evidence, go get a google search. Oh, and every one of your claims needs to be proven. Otherwise it's 100% false. I'm going to push you to give evidence either until you ragequit or do it.

1. Evidence found at AULIS.com and here, I cued it up for you
2. Go get a glass of water, test for curve. None? Okay a bucket, a pool, a lake.... a pacific ocean.  Thanks
3. Please see testable proof in post above and post above that and post above that. I have done the experiment. You don't expect me to do it for you do you? Sorry, I have enough to do. I have given you the test, if you are afraid of results I can't help you.
4. What am I proving here? Have they gone back to the moon? Okay, proven. Thanks
5. I showed video PROOF of someone running outside apollo 11. That is called PROOF. If it isn't then you have no proof we ever went. Sorry.
6. Proven again
7. Peer reviewed paper. PROOF. Talk about shill.
8. Old ancients believed Earth was flat and a disc. You do not. They are right, you are wrong. Proven.

I can't help you further. I would try and prove 9 points but only 8 are possible so I apologize that 8 is all I can do. Maybe if I was an intellectual who believed people in Australia are upside down and that boats travel up the ocean and down the ocean then I would be able to prove 9 points outta 8 but hell, I am only human so 8/8 is the best I can do. I let humanity down. It is as if I pretended things were true for 400 years just because I hate the church and now I don't have enough balls to admit my theory was stupid as believing air moves along with earth.

And the ref has declared the blowout and is allowing the knee here in the 3rd quarter. Game over folks, game over. Maybe you should hand the game over to space x. They can take the hoax from here.

Thanks jeranism, this thread is a clear FE victory. You efforts are appreciated.

2. Water cannot have a bend.

Sure it can.

Well, flat earthers, don't worry. Around 7 billion or so persons will keep the round earth going round anyway regardless of your notions to the contrary. So enjoy your little fantasy world. You're welcome to it.  Meanwhile the rest of us have to make a living in such fields as the Navy and other maritime services just for one example that depend on maps made from a globe shaped earth and not from any flat earth map of the earth, which do not exist in the first place

I commend your search for truth and dedication to reason. It's wonderful that you have taken notice of the many truths within the Bible, and I encourage you to dig deeper into the Word of God.

You will find, that everything written in the Bible is true and no logical explanation can be given to it's authenticity other than divine inspiration. The fact is, Scripture has held up to extreme scrutiny for over 2000 years and no one can disprove its historical accuracy.

The best an atheist can offer is vague verses out of context and subject to interpretation. Let's see a non-believer disprove one of the hundreds of cities, events, dates, genealogies and other historical records. I can go on and on about the many excavations that have taken place throughout the world that prove the Bible's legitimacy, and much of what is recorded historically in the Bible is not disputed by scholars anyway. Take for instance that major world empires of ancient times like the Babylonian kingdom, Egyptians and Romans, Persians and Medes and the Hebrews. No one denies that, and where do you think the histories of these ancient empires can be found? The prophet Daniel successfully predicted the fall of all the world empires, and has astounded scholars to this day.

You can search my post history for all the evidence for the Bible like the physical remains of Sodom and Gomorrah on the Dead Sea or how the Dinosaur fossils are direct evidence of a world-wide flood.

Look a giant chicken:



Is it a dinosaur footprint? Or an Emu track...



Please read this chapter and decide for yourself who Jesus really is:

John 8

1but Jesus went to the Mount of Olives.

2At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. 3The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women.Now what do you say?” 6They were using this question as a trap,in order to have a basis for accusing him.

But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.

9At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”

11“No one, sir,” she said.

“Then neither do I condemn you,”Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”

Dispute Over Jesus’ Testimony

12When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”

13The Pharisees challenged him, “Here you are, appearing as your own witness; your testimony is not valid.”

14Jesus answered, “Even if I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is valid, for I know where I came from and where I am going. But you have no idea where I come from or where I am going. 15You judge by human standards; I pass judgment on no one. 16But if I do judge, my decisions are true, because I am not alone. I stand with the Father, who sent me. 17In your own Law it is written that the testimony of two witnesses is true. 18I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father, who sent me.”

19Then they asked him, “Where is your father?”

“You do not know me or my Father,” Jesus replied. “If you knew me, you would know my Father also.” 20He spoke these words while teaching in the temple courts near the place where the offerings were put. Yet no one seized him, because his hour had not yet come.

Dispute Over Who Jesus Is

21Once more Jesus said to them, “I am going away, and you will look for me, and you will die in your sin. Where I go, you cannot come.”

22This made the Jews ask, “Will he kill himself? Is that why he says, ‘Where I go, you cannot come’?”

23But he continued, “You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. 24I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.”

25“Who are you?” they asked.

“Just what I have been telling you from the beginning,” Jesus replied. 26“I have much to say in judgment of you. But he who sent me is trustworthy, and what I have heard from him I tell the world.”

27They did not understand that he was telling them about his Father. 28So Jesus said, “When you have lifted upa the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me. 29The one who sent me is with me; he has not left me alone, for I always do what pleases him.” 30Even as he spoke, many believed in him.

Dispute Over Whose Children Jesus’ Opponents Are

31To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. 32Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

33They answered him, “We are Abraham’s descendants and have never been slaves of anyone. How can you say that we shall be set free?”

34Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. 35Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. 36So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. 37I know that you are Abraham’s descendants. Yet you are looking for a way to kill me, because you have no room for my word. 38I am telling you what I have seen in the Father’s presence, and you are doing what you have heard from your father.b ”

39“Abraham is our father,” they answered.

“If you were Abraham’s children,” said Jesus, “then you wouldc do what Abraham did. 40As it is, you are looking for a way to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things. 41You are doing the works of your own father.”

“We are not illegitimate children,” they protested. “The only Father we have is God himself.”

42Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me. 43Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. 44You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! 46Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? 47Whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”

Jesus’ Claims About Himself

48The Jews answered him, “Aren’t we right in saying that you are a Samaritan and demon-possessed?”

49“I am not possessed by a demon,” said Jesus, “but I honor my Father and you dishonor me. 50I am not seeking glory for myself; but there is one who seeks it, and he is the judge. 51Very truly I tell you, whoever obeys my word will never see death.”

52At this they exclaimed, “Now we know that you are demon-possessed! Abraham died and so did the prophets, yet you say that whoever obeys your word will never taste death. 53Are you greater than our father Abraham? He died, and so did the prophets. Who do you think you are?”

54Jesus replied, “If I glorify myself, my glory means nothing. My Father, whom you claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me. 55Though you do not know him, I know him. If I said I did not, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and obey his word. 56Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.”

57“You are not yet fifty years old,” they said to him, “and you have seen Abraham!”

58“Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” 59At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.

Yeah, and your little beaker has sides.  Good representation of Earth. And your water drop is 119,465,070,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 x lighter than the earth and is not in a pool or lake. It is sitting there before it puddles off and becomes a flat puddle. So you really don't see it?  I mean you don't understand the joke. The Earth is flat and you can deny it but if you didn't see that everyday you wouldn't be here. Use your eyes, measure the Earth. Now add in Gravity and it will tell you that you are on a globe. You got told and you got told wrong and that's fine. So was I. But I was able to get out. It is made up. The Earth is not a globe with upside down people and a force field atmosphere that zooms 1000 mph around exactly even with the land 'cuz gravity' and it rotates around an axis and travels 500 million miles in an orbit around a star 93 million miles away. It just isn't. You have fallen for a story. Why does NASA not have a 24 hour hd Space Cam on Earth?  Never ending feed of the spinning Earth.  Huh?  I can go to NASA.com and see the ISS take photos from the height of a plane while doing a perfect circle of the flat earth using a fish eye lens (provable) and still, even that has to go dark every 45 minutes: because its "on the dark side of Earth"? What? We can talk to Voyager you say at 12 billion miles but we can't keep a goddamn camera on the 150 billion dollar ISS are you dumb?  You have fallen for it. 

Here, mathematics for the intellectuals...

Flat Earth (as seen by every man on Earth) + gravity = Globe Earth

See how they got you. If you flew from the southern tip of South America to San Francisco at dusk, would you see the moon flip upside down or rightside up throughout your flight?   How do pilots fly?  By keeping the plane level on the horizon. Cause it is level. as in no matter where you turn. Like water... level. Always. Oh but soon as you say "gravity"... oh jeez, NASA Nazi Mason's yes sir. Promise to repeat the word daily sir!

And no, I do not have a crack pipe in my hand. Thanks for asking. I keep it in my pocket with my tin foil hat. I'm just thankful I don't also believe I'm on a magic ball of mystery and wonder.

Well, flat earthers, don't worry. Around 7 billion or so persons will keep the round earth going round anyway regardless of your notions to the contrary. So enjoy your little fantasy world. You're welcome to it.  Meanwhile the rest of us have to make a living in such fields as the Navy and other maritime services just for one example that depend on maps made from a globe shaped earth and not from any flat earth map of the earth, which do no exist in the first place

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What do you mean no map? And the maps they use are flat clown. They use the flat Earth map in the military for communication and radar. Do you see globe radar? Oh pardon, do you see any globe besides what your lord and savior- NASA HEIST passes off as Earth. It is comical. You see real life everyday then they show you the blue marble and then you lose your minds. Yeah! Globe! Gravity! Upside Down People and boats going uphill or downhill. And planes flying inverted and upside down.  Then they will say, "Nobody is upside down, there is no up in space, everyone is right side up."

 Oh, the Earth IS flat.  Hmmmmm- I rest my case.
 

I commend your search for truth and dedication to reason. It's wonderful that you have taken notice of the many truths within the Bible, and I encourage you to dig deeper into the Word of God.

You will find, that everything written in the Bible is true and no logical explanation can be given to it's authenticity other than divine inspiration. The fact is, Scripture has held up to extreme scrutiny for over 2000 years and no one can disprove its historical accuracy.

The best an atheist can offer is vague verses out of context and subject to interpretation. Let's see a non-believer disprove one of the hundreds of cities, events, dates, genealogies and other historical records. I can go on and on about the many excavations that have taken place throughout the world that prove the Bible's legitimacy, and much of what is recorded historically in the Bible is not disputed by scholars anyway. Take for instance that major world empires of ancient times like the Babylonian kingdom, Egyptians and Romans, Persians and Medes and the Hebrews. No one denies that, and where do you think the histories of these ancient empires can be found? The prophet Daniel successfully predicted the fall of all the world empires, and has astounded scholars to this day.

You can search my post history for all the evidence for the Bible like the physical remains of Sodom and Gomorrah on the Dead Sea or how the Dinosaur fossils are direct evidence of a world-wide flood.

Look a giant chicken:



Is it a dinosaur footprint? Or an Emu track...



Please read this chapter and decide for yourself who Jesus really is:

John 8

Quote

1but Jesus went to the Mount of Olives.

2At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. 3The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women.Now what do you say?” 6They were using this question as a trap,in order to have a basis for accusing him.

But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.

9At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”

11“No one, sir,” she said.

“Then neither do I condemn you,”Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”

Dispute Over Jesus’ Testimony

12When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”

13The Pharisees challenged him, “Here you are, appearing as your own witness; your testimony is not valid.”

14Jesus answered, “Even if I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is valid, for I know where I came from and where I am going. But you have no idea where I come from or where I am going. 15You judge by human standards; I pass judgment on no one. 16But if I do judge, my decisions are true, because I am not alone. I stand with the Father, who sent me. 17In your own Law it is written that the testimony of two witnesses is true. 18I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father, who sent me.”

19Then they asked him, “Where is your father?”

“You do not know me or my Father,” Jesus replied. “If you knew me, you would know my Father also.” 20He spoke these words while teaching in the temple courts near the place where the offerings were put. Yet no one seized him, because his hour had not yet come.

Dispute Over Who Jesus Is

21Once more Jesus said to them, “I am going away, and you will look for me, and you will die in your sin. Where I go, you cannot come.”

22This made the Jews ask, “Will he kill himself? Is that why he says, ‘Where I go, you cannot come’?”

23But he continued, “You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. 24I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.”

25“Who are you?” they asked.

“Just what I have been telling you from the beginning,” Jesus replied. 26“I have much to say in judgment of you. But he who sent me is trustworthy, and what I have heard from him I tell the world.”

27They did not understand that he was telling them about his Father. 28So Jesus said, “When you have lifted upa the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me. 29The one who sent me is with me; he has not left me alone, for I always do what pleases him.” 30Even as he spoke, many believed in him.

Dispute Over Whose Children Jesus’ Opponents Are

31To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. 32Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

33They answered him, “We are Abraham’s descendants and have never been slaves of anyone. How can you say that we shall be set free?”

34Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. 35Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. 36So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. 37I know that you are Abraham’s descendants. Yet you are looking for a way to kill me, because you have no room for my word. 38I am telling you what I have seen in the Father’s presence, and you are doing what you have heard from your father.b ”

39“Abraham is our father,” they answered.

“If you were Abraham’s children,” said Jesus, “then you wouldc do what Abraham did. 40As it is, you are looking for a way to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things. 41You are doing the works of your own father.”

“We are not illegitimate children,” they protested. “The only Father we have is God himself.”

42Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me. 43Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. 44You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! 46Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? 47Whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”

Jesus’ Claims About Himself

48The Jews answered him, “Aren’t we right in saying that you are a Samaritan and demon-possessed?”

49“I am not possessed by a demon,” said Jesus, “but I honor my Father and you dishonor me. 50I am not seeking glory for myself; but there is one who seeks it, and he is the judge. 51Very truly I tell you, whoever obeys my word will never see death.”

52At this they exclaimed, “Now we know that you are demon-possessed! Abraham died and so did the prophets, yet you say that whoever obeys your word will never taste death. 53Are you greater than our father Abraham? He died, and so did the prophets. Who do you think you are?”

54Jesus replied, “If I glorify myself, my glory means nothing. My Father, whom you claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me. 55Though you do not know him, I know him. If I said I did not, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and obey his word. 56Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.”

57“You are not yet fifty years old,” they said to him, “and you have seen Abraham!”

58“Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” 59At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.

I do not have a problem with you believing whatever you want. But if you try and convert me I have no problem telling you why it is so easy to say no. I don't want to worship or adore a man I never met or a God that revealed himself through fallible (remember, he even knew you say) yet still gives his word in a book through men while men preach it for any reason they see fit.  See Joseph Smith and wiveS and then maybe Joel Osteen and 14 million dollar homes. That book describes a human with human traits and jealous and angry and wrathful and forgiving and loving and missing and wastes time in heaven doing heaven things. I know the bible has truths. So does the tortoise and the hare but we don't argue about what road were they on and what year and was the tortoise really talking and turning water into wine? Oh sorry got my stories mixed.  That is your God?

Really? Taught to you by men. Not me- that's not a God. That's stupid. Sorry. I like the bible. It's a nice story about the SUN of God who will come in Glory. Your God sent the bible with no punctuation. So, watch what I do here....   

Jesus said (this is from my head) Be ready... people will come in my name saying I am the Christ. Do not be led astray..."  What if it is read as I see it... "Be ready (jeranism) people will come in my name, (Christians) saying  I, (Jesus) am the Christ. Do not be led astray."

So, I don't know about you but I always heed to the words of Zombie Jesus so no, I'll pass on being led antigay... i mean astray 

The problem with your conclusion, is Jesus Christ is not just a man....

John 5:24 - Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Here is the Garden Tomb in Israel where Jesus was laid:



The Burial of Jesus

Later, Joseph of Arimathea asked Pilate for the body of Jesus. Now Joseph was a disciple of Jesus, but secretly because he feared the Jewish leaders. With Pilate’s permission, he came and took the body away. He was accompanied by Nicodemus, the man who earlier had visited Jesus at night. Nicodemus brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about seventy-five pounds. Taking Jesus’ body, the two of them wrapped it, with the spices, in strips of linen. This was in accordance with Jewish burial customs. At the place where Jesus was crucified, there was a garden, and in the garden a new tomb, in which no one had ever been laid. Because it was the Jewish day of Preparation and since the tomb was nearby, they laid Jesus there.

John 19:38:42

Inside the Garden Tomb:



Now I understand you were raised Catholic, so be very careful lest you be deceived by their false practices. Mary is not the "Mother of God" but the one who gave birth to his earthly body. Even Jesus called his mother "Woman" and Mary prayed to Jesus, not the other way around.

The Bible specifically says in Matthew 23:9 "And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven."

Yet Catholics disobey this command and call their priests "Father".

I am under the impression that you might be homosexual based on your last sentence above with the antigay/astry joke. I want you to know that even though I am a fundamentalist Christian, I do not judge you or condemn you. For ALL sin and fall short of the Glory of God. That is why salvation is based on Faith alone, and not works.

Jesus did not die for the Righteous, but so the Light may be seen to those living in darkness.

Do you think it is ironic that the Bible says the earth is flat and it really is?

Comfort for God’s People - Isaiah 40

1Comfort, comfort my people,

says your God.

2Speak tenderly to Jerusalem,

and proclaim to her

that her hard service has been completed,

that her sin has been paid for,

that she has received from the Lord’s hand

double for all her sins.

3A voice of one calling:

“In the wilderness prepare

the way for the Lorda ;

make straight in the desert

a highway for our God.b

4Every valley shall be raised up,

every mountain and hill made low;

the rough ground shall become level,

the rugged places a plain.

5And the glory of the Lord will be revealed,

and all people will see it together.

For the mouth of the Lord has spoken.”

6A voice says, “Cry out.”

And I said, “What shall I cry?”

“All people are like grass,

and all their faithfulness is like the flowers of the field.

7The grass withers and the flowers fall,

because the breath of the Lord blows on them.

Surely the people are grass.

8The grass withers and the flowers fall,

but the word of our God endures forever.”

9You who bring good news to Zion,

go up on a high mountain.

You who bring good news to Jerusalem,c

lift up your voice with a shout,

lift it up, do not be afraid;

say to the towns of Judah,

“Here is your God!”

10See, the Sovereign Lord comes with power,

and he rules with a mighty arm.

See, his reward is with him,

and his recompense accompanies him.

11He tends his flock like a shepherd:

He gathers the lambs in his arms

and carries them close to his heart;

he gently leads those that have young.

12Who has measured the waters in the hollow of his hand,

or with the breadth of his hand marked off the heavens?

Who has held the dust of the earth in a basket,

or weighed the mountains on the scales

and the hills in a balance?

13Who can fathom the Spiritd of the Lord,

or instruct the Lord as his counselor?

14Whom did the Lord consult to enlighten him,

and who taught him the right way?

Who was it that taught him knowledge,

or showed him the path of understanding?

15Surely the nations are like a drop in a bucket;

they are regarded as dust on the scales;

he weighs the islands as though they were fine dust.

16Lebanon is not sufficient for altar fires,

nor its animals enough for burnt offerings.

17Before him all the nations are as nothing;

they are regarded by him as worthless

and less than nothing.

18With whom, then, will you compare God?

To what image will you liken him?

19As for an idol, a metalworker casts it,

and a goldsmith overlays it with gold

and fashions silver chains for it.

20A person too poor to present such an offering

selects wood that will not rot;

they look for a skilled worker

to set up an idol that will not topple.

21Do you not know?

Have you not heard?

Has it not been told you from the beginning?

Have you not understood since the earth was founded?

22He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth,

and its people are like grasshoppers.

He stretches out the heavens like a canopy,

and spreads them out like a tent to live in.

23He brings princes to naught

and reduces the rulers of this world to nothing.

24No sooner are they planted,

no sooner are they sown,

no sooner do they take root in the ground,

than he blows on them and they wither,

and a whirlwind sweeps them away like chaff.

25“To whom will you compare me?

Or who is my equal?” says the Holy One.

26Lift up your eyes and look to the heavens:

Who created all these?

He who brings out the starry host one by one

and calls forth each of them by name.

Because of his great power and mighty strength,

not one of them is missing.

27Why do you complain, Jacob?

Why do you say, Israel,

“My way is hidden from the Lord;

my cause is disregarded by my God”?

28Do you not know?

Have you not heard?

The Lord is the everlasting God,

the Creator of the ends of the earth.

He will not grow tired or weary,

and his understanding no one can fathom.

29He gives strength to the weary

and increases the power of the weak.

30Even youths grow tired and weary,

and young men stumble and fall;

31but those who hope in the Lord

will renew their strength.

They will soar on wings like eagles;

they will run and not grow weary,

they will walk and not be faint.

I strongly urge you to clear your mind of all the things of this world, and pray to God for wisdom. Then when you are ready, open the Bible and read it with a childlike wonder, a true openmindedness and the secrets of the Kingdom of Heaven will be revealed to you. Not until you have the smallest speck of faith will you be able to marvel in God's Glory.

Yeah, crushed indeed.  The funny thing is you said, "But there is evidence to RE, and stupid ad hoc, idiotic, notions is all FE has." So, let me see if any of your points have a crushing effect.

1. You are kidding right? My video shows a)the lie of ISS, fast forwarding clearly seen meaning not traveling near 17,000 mph b)tons of faked photos all analyzed by a professional. The shadow on the ceiling? The light bulb Sun? The altered photos? The props being moved?

VERDICT: RE CLEARLY CRUSHED BY YOUR BELIEF IN NASA  - you can't win this one, too much proof. Stop trying to call clear hoaxing science please, you look silly.

2. You fail to see any proof? I have been looking into this far too long to go away that easy. I feel a bet coming. Are you going to take the side of Lady liberty standing in the middle of the two cities holding up a bulge of water? Are you going to say water can have a bulge? It can curve? Now, do you need crayons for your first day in kindergarten?

VERDICT: ONLY A FOOL WOULD CLAIM WATER CAN BEND.  Picture water in the shape of the letter n...   "  n   "   Is this possible?  Of course not. It would spill and become ___  which is ummm, flat.  That's FE 2  RE 0

3.  I don't even understand your explanation of three. Go watch a "star timelapse" see the circles the stars make?  Okay great. That is because we are spinning right Mr. Hates Me? Okay so now go outside and point your camera in the sky and spin in a circle, go inside and watch your movie, now cry yourself to sleep because

VERDICT: Duhhhh, the stars cannot make circles from a spinning Earth. FE 3 RE 0

4. Oh they don't like to do things they already have done huh. These are your true responses? If they would have gone back maybe they would have discovered water on the moon instead of letting a rover find it outta India. Buzz was too busy playing masonic loincloth I guess to notice the water! But you are right, NASA spends money wisely like the ISS taking the same photos satellites take. But that 150 billion has served humanity well... have you seen them flip a microphone? It spins!  I swear! And they are growing vegetables up there.

VERDICT: NASA CAN'T GO TO THE MOON, so FE 4 RE 0

5. Oh now there is a new member of Apollo 11 outside the ship running away and you explain this with "yes, people can be in space with space suits. Magic, eh?" Good one. That isn't weird at all. It'd be like you finding a video of Jesus being raised to heaven by a crane and a Christian explaining it with, well yeah, cranes can lift people, magic huh?

VERDICT: Dumbest response yet award and FE 5 RE -1

6. Cool, default win.

VERDICT: Too lazy to attempt to explain 1000 inconsistencies so FE 6 RE-2

7. So, you intellectuals can challenge me daily with this, "Where is your degree" "Where is your peer reviewed paper?" but when I do the same, now peer reviewed papers don't mean stuff is true?  Ummm, ad hoc, see definition. Please

VERDICT: Still out- it is only a theory - no pints awarded FE 6 RE -2

8. Has been summed up above, no point needed

VERDICT: Land slide win for FE.... 

Now, you must hate me so much more because THAT is how you crush!

1. Bring forward a few specific examples of this hoaxing. This "lightbulb" sun, the altered photos, "props" being moved, "fast-forwarding", etc.
Lay it out on the table here so we can have a discussion, instead of this shouting match.

2. What are you talking about? Are you talking about water following the curvature of the Earth? Gravity. Yes, it is that simple.

3. Explain what you are even talking about. Clearly. No one even knows what you're talking about.

4. This is neither an argument nor a point. Just baseless rambling.

5. Watched your "video". Didn't see any astronauts "running away"?

7. Everybody needs evidence to support any claim. Stop acting like you're a victim.

If you want to have a logical, coherent, scientific discussion, then let's have one. If not, then you're wasting your breath and will be dismissed like all of the other ramblers.

A suggestion to iWitness

Take your "ancient maps" to the office of any steamship company, airline company or navy information office and see what they think  of them compared to their modern maps. Let us know what you find.

Quote from: Googleotomy on April 09, 2015, 08:45:10 PM

Well, flat earthers, don't worry. Around 7 billion or so persons will keep the round earth going round anyway regardless of your notions to the contrary. So enjoy your little fantasy world. You're welcome to it.  Meanwhile the rest of us have to make a living in such fields as the Navy and other maritime services just for one example that depend on maps made from a globe shaped earth and not from any flat earth map of the earth, which do no exist in the first place

http://www.clicknhost.com/u/080415/v4u496yyc.jpg

What do you mean no map? And the maps they use are flat clown. They use the flat Earth map in the military for communication and radar. Do you see globe radar? Oh pardon, do you see any globe besides what your lord and savior- NASA HEIST passes off as Earth. It is comical. You see real life everyday then they show you the blue marble and then you lose your minds. Yeah! Globe! Gravity! Upside Down People and boats going uphill or downhill. And planes flying inverted and upside down.  Then they will say, "Nobody is upside down, there is no up in space, everyone is right side up."

 Oh, the Earth IS flat.  Hmmmmm- I rest my case.

Check out how "flat maps" are made from projections of the globe. The earth is "round" or an "oblate spheroid" technically speaking. Oh , the Earth IS round. Hmmmmm - I rest my case.

The usual "flat earth map" is simply the "Azimuthal Equidistant Projection" of the globe.

Do a little research. Learn something.

Good vid, mate. Always nice to see people doing research and thinking for themselves.

"Research"

"Research"

What?

So basically because the goverment can tap into GPS, and can everyone else, that makes them liars? You're a moron. Why do we take that exit into space? It's hard to go straight up with a rocket, we need to get into orbit first, all those things. You're using a square map of a round globe for that ISS idea. As for your next thing about hairs, do you think there are open holes everywhere or something? And that hairs make machines malfunction?
I lost my caring of a silent, movie maker video.

All of those photos are from twitter. Great source for reliable info and unmodified images.