The Flat Truth

Let me try a simple question ,are the boat & ships over the horizon or just out view from the naked eye.?

Over the horizon.
I have personally seen stadiums where the bottom is not visible, but the top is very clearly visible.
This one in fact, where you see the arch and roof clearly, but nothing but sea below that.

edit cause I can not believe I added a render of the stadium first!

Further along on the coast line there is a town that can see the stadium (and city scape) except you dont see the bottom of anything.

Quote from: Mainframes on April 22, 2015, 11:25:13 PM

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care to comment on this vid on the boat ships & camera zoom or are you  just going to ignore it.
Nikon CoolPix P600 60x Zoom Test Sea: " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">

Someone standing on land that is already almost 2 meters above the water, combined with the camera's height, filming some boats on the horizon. 

What about it?

How can they be 2 meters above the water line .with the silly curvature nonsence . If it curves 8" every mile like  RErs nonsence states .Then the rise would be in the middle of this BS curvature of water. Can you define  what your!!! References to water line is ?.

Could you try that again with more coherence please.  Or take you pills and once they kick in,  try it again.

Take my pills ? Your the one that needs to take out an over draft & get a realty check. If you have a curviture ,then there has to be a high point of that curviture or you just dont have a curviture do you.
So if your standing on the foreshore , are you standing on the high point or the low point of the curviture you claim is there.

There is no high point. Every point on the curve would be an equal distance to the centre of the curvature.

So you can substantiate this exacting centre point in earth exsits ?or its just part of a theory, because it fits your spherical model ?.

Are you talking about anywhere on the surface of a sphere being the same distance from the center of that sphere as the next position?  That's pretty much what it means to be a sphere or a ball.  The centerpoint of the curve of the sphere Earth would be at the dead center of the Earth, with all points on the outer "shell" being pretty much equal to each other.  Therefore the curve in any direction would be virtually the same.  Being that the Earth is so much larger than your individual frame of reference from the surface of it, the curvature that you would possible be able to see from ground level would be too small to be detectable by human eyes. 
Or you still think because it looks flat it must be flat?

Well, I was referring to you incoherent question.  But why do you think no one could be 2 meters above the waterline?  They were standing up the beach from the edge of the water, plus their height could possibly make 2 meters.  What is this high point you speak of?  I see why you think the curvature is nonsense, you don't understand it and you are one of those limited frame of reference people that think the Earth is much smaller in relation to people than it really is.  I bet you also think that the Earth spinning at 1000 mph would throw you off.  It is ok to not understand.  No need to throw a fit.

Just trying to establish distance & line of sight. Clearly the boats & ships seem to be out  of sight to the naked or are they over the horizon?  Amazingly looking through the camera made them visable . So which is it ?

Quote from: charles bloomington on April 22, 2015, 11:48:42 PM

Quote from: Mainframes on April 22, 2015, 11:25:13 PM

Quote from: charles bloomington on April 22, 2015, 11:06:03 PM

Quote from: Mikey T Lovzballs on April 22, 2015, 09:55:01 PM

Quote from: charles bloomington on April 22, 2015, 09:41:10 PM

Quote from: 29silhouette on April 21, 2015, 06:34:58 PM

Quote from: charles bloomington on April 21, 2015, 08:16:40 AM

care to comment on this vid on the boat ships & camera zoom or are you  just going to ignore it.
Nikon CoolPix P600 60x Zoom Test Sea: " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">

Someone standing on land that is already almost 2 meters above the water, combined with the camera's height, filming some boats on the horizon. 

What about it?

How can they be 2 meters above the water line .with the silly curvature nonsence . If it curves 8" every mile like  RErs nonsence states .Then the rise would be in the middle of this BS curvature of water. Can you define  what your!!! References to water line is ?.

Could you try that again with more coherence please.  Or take you pills and once they kick in,  try it again.

Take my pills ? Your the one that needs to take out an over draft & get a realty check. If you have a curviture ,then there has to be a high point of that curviture or you just dont have a curviture do you.
So if your standing on the foreshore , are you standing on the high point or the low point of the curviture you claim is there.

There is no high point. Every point on the curve would be an equal distance to the centre of the curvature.

So you can substantiate this exacting centre point in earth exsits ?or its just part of a theory, because it fits your spherical model ?.

Are you talking about anywhere on the surface of a sphere being the same distance from the center of that sphere as the next position?  That's pretty much what it means to be a sphere or a ball.  The centerpoint of the curve of the sphere Earth would be at the dead center of the Earth, with all points on the outer "shell" being pretty much equal to each other.  Therefore the curve in any direction would be virtually the same.  Being that the Earth is so much larger than your individual frame of reference from the surface of it, the curvature that you would possible be able to see from ground level would be too small to be detectable by human eyes. 
Or you still think because it looks flat it must be flat?

I didn't ask would it be. I asked can you substantiate it ,other then theory .

Just trying to establish distance & line of sight. Clearly the boats & ships seem to be out  of sight to the naked or are they over the horizon?  Amazingly looking through the camera made them visable . So which is it ?

Well, for one we have no idea what was visible by the naked eye there. Only what we can see on the video. And because the video has limited definition we dont even know if the boats where visible by the naked eye or not.

The camera there is a coolpix camera,  its designed for general purpose use. When it is zoomed in (for close up objects) it has a rather wide field of view. It should not be a surprise that zooming in will make items further away more clear. Especially in that video where the boats are smaller than a single pixel at the 00:18 sec time .

I didn't ask would it be. I asked can you substantiate it ,other then theory .

So what are you asking to be substantiated?
If it is that every point on the Earth would relatively be equidistant from the center of the Earth, then no, I cannot travel to the center of the Earth from several points on the surface with today's technology.  But that's not theory, that's geometry and its a form of math. 
You could also use geometry to prove that your frame of reference would show you virtually no curvature from the surface of such a large sphere.  Once again, not a theory, but math.

Quote from: charles bloomington on April 22, 2015, 11:20:49 PM

Let me try a simple question ,are the boat & ships over the horizon or just out view from the naked eye.?

Over the horizon.
I have personally seen stadiums where the bottom is not visible, but the top is very clearly visible.
This one in fact, where you see the arch and roof clearly, but nothing but sea below that.

edit cause I can not believe I added a render of the stadium first!

Further along on the coast line there is a town that can see the stadium (and city scape) except you dont see the bottom of anything.

Have you got it right this time .LOL  care to post the render again for a comparison. For transparency of course , seen a s your argument contains visible aspects .

Have you got it right this time .LOL  care to post the render again for a comparison. For transparency of course , seen a s your argument contains visible aspects .

Wait, I disclosed that I added a render of a stadium instead of its real picture and you are getting upset?
Is the existence of the stadium under dispute?
It is the Moses Mabhida Stadium in Durban South Africa. I drive past it a few times a week.
Choose your link
http://www.mmstadium.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses_Mabhida_Stadium
http://www.durbanexperience.co.za/What_To_Do/Explore_Durban/Pages/Moses_Mabhida_Stadium.aspx

Quote from: charles bloomington on April 23, 2015, 12:11:21 AM

I didn't ask would it be. I asked can you substantiate it ,other then theory .

So what are you asking to be substantiated?
If it is that every point on the Earth would relatively be equidistant from the center of the Earth, then no, I cannot travel to the center of the Earth from several points on the surface with today's technology.  But that's not theory, that's geometry and its a form of math. 
You could also use geometry to prove that your frame of reference would show you virtually no curvature from the surface of such a large sphere.  Once again, not a theory, but math.

Oh yes! I see said the blind man as he pist in to the wind ,its all coming back to me now. If 1+1=2 there must be 2 easter bunny's. 

Oh yes! I see said the blind man as he pist in to the wind ,its all coming back to me now. If 1+1=2 there must be 2 easter bunny's. 

Charles. I am not sure what you are asking now. Are you asking for someone to go to the center of the earth and measure its distance from there to all the surface points to prove that it has a center point?
I know you dont believe the earth is spherical, But if it was, do you not think it is possible to derive a center point from spherical earth if its external dimensions where known?

Quote from: Mikey T Lovzballs on April 23, 2015, 12:40:45 AM

Quote from: charles bloomington on April 23, 2015, 12:11:21 AM

I didn't ask would it be. I asked can you substantiate it ,other then theory .

So what are you asking to be substantiated?
If it is that every point on the Earth would relatively be equidistant from the center of the Earth, then no, I cannot travel to the center of the Earth from several points on the surface with today's technology.  But that's not theory, that's geometry and its a form of math. 
You could also use geometry to prove that your frame of reference would show you virtually no curvature from the surface of such a large sphere.  Once again, not a theory, but math.

Oh yes! I see said the blind man as he pist in to the wind ,its all coming back to me now. If 1+1=2 there must be 2 easter bunny's. 

So you are saying that if I cannot go to the center of the Earth to physically prove the curvature is the virtually the same from any point for you then you will dismiss the statement?  Ok, fair enough.  Dismiss away, still doesn't make you correct in any way at all. 

Quote from: charles bloomington on April 23, 2015, 01:00:40 AM

Oh yes! I see said the blind man as he pist in to the wind ,its all coming back to me now. If 1+1=2 there must be 2 easter bunny's. 

Charles. I am not sure what you are asking now. Are you asking for someone to go to the center of the earth and measure its distance from there to all the surface points to prove that it has a center point?
I know you dont believe the earth is spherical, But if it was, do you not think it is possible to derive a center point from spherical earth if its external dimensions where known?

Actually that was exactly what he was asking for, trying to be cute, thinking he was backing someone into a corner.  I guess he feels good about himself now.  Oh he outsmarted ... well no one really.

No!!! stop telling me the earth is spherical & has a curviture , when you can't substantiate it. A hypothesis is not fact.

Easy there bud, just because you are a little slow doesn't mean you need to get upset.  It's not a hypothesis at all.  The Earth is spherical, been proven by multiple space agencies, Mathematics, thousands of experiments, etc.  Like I said earlier please go take you meds.

Easy there bud, just because you are a little slow doesn't mean you need to get upset.  It's not a hypothesis at all.  The Earth is spherical, been proven by multiple space agencies, Mathematics, thousands of experiments, etc.  Like I said earlier please go take you meds.

You PERSONS  think if you just keep saying the earth is spherical & there is a  curvature that it makes it true.With anyone who questions the validity of that dribble, being labeled as daft. Well I'm happy to be labeled daft, then believe the bullshit NASA & the corperation lackys have spoon feed to the world.

Quote from: Mikey T Lovzballs on April 23, 2015, 01:47:27 AM

Easy there bud, just because you are a little slow doesn't mean you need to get upset.  It's not a hypothesis at all.  The Earth is spherical, been proven by multiple space agencies, Mathematics, thousands of experiments, etc.  Like I said earlier please go take you meds.

You PERSONS  think if you just keep saying the earth is spherical & there is a  curvature that it makes it true.With anyone who questions the validity of that dribble, being labeled as daft. Well I'm happy to be labeled daft, then believe the bullshit NASA & the corperation lackys have spoon feed to the world.

Uhh, ok. 
No spoon feeding here, hard earned and learned knowledge.  No need for some big conspiracy.  Just math that works, beautiful sunsets and sunrises, beautiful views from climbing high mountains, life experience from different parts of the world, and the ability to think.  I have no problem with conceptualizing things that are bigger than me.  You fail at this skill.  But that's not a problem.  You go on being you. 

Charles you are getting overly upset about this.
By far the majority of the people on earth says the world is round, it should by now not come as a shock to you when someone online says what everyone else has been saying all along.
I have lots of personal experience showing it is spherical, and then I have all the other data that I do not consider as part of a massive conspiracy.
What do you have to substantiate your claims (I am asking because you asked Mikey to measure the distance from the core of the planet to its surface)