What would it take to change your mind?

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Re: What would it take to change your mind?
« Reply #30 on: April 04, 2015, 12:07:56 PM »

For the records, millions of experiments have proven the Earth to be round and to orbit the sun at 93m miles, while zero repeatable experiments with reproducible results have been demonstrated for a flat earth or an earth centric solar system.

True science is observational evidence. 

Do you know that by a simple observation of the timed movement of the sun that you can determine that either the sun is not 865,000 miles in diameter or the sun is not 93,000,000 miles from earth? 

Using 93,000,000 mile distance of the sun from the earth the sun diameter comes out to be 3,333 miles, given that the sun moves a distance of its diameter in 3 minutes?

Personally I believe that the sun is much smaller and closer to the earth.

What the heck?
Eratosthenes's experiment can be solved for either a sun with diameter of either ~900 thousand miles (the earth is round) or 30 miles (the earth is flat).

I could speak for hours about why the sun just can't be 30 miles in diameter but just to name a simple reason I have yet to read in this site:
1) How do you explain Hydrogen fusion with a 30-miles-radius sun? (Tip: you can't, otherwise we would have fusion in Earth already instead of fission nuclear power plants. If you don't know what I mean: fusion does not leave radioactive components behind.)
But if you want VISUAL "proof" (I'm putting it in quotes because no proof will be enough to shatter your beliefs, just as Christians and Adam & Eve vs evolution) just check this post: http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=62690.0#.VSA0tJNIgtF
Oh and I just realized that if it were 30 miles away only you can build a telescope yourself and prove it (trust me: you won't  ;D).

I'm suggesting that every one of you that does not believe that the Earth is round becomes a Pilot or a Sailor and see for yourself. There's no way to convince you with evidence and Math alone. Other professions that will make you unavoidably reach that conclusion are physics and civil engineering.

Eppur si move people =)

Re: What would it take to change your mind?
« Reply #31 on: April 04, 2015, 12:15:10 PM »
By the way I believe in a geocentric universe as it is easier to believe than the preposterous speeds in the heliocentric universe that the planets are traveling around the sun and the solar system is traveling around the universe.

Please explain why a slow speed is more believable than a fast one. Use logic in your answer.

The Geocentric universe has a medium called aether that permeates all objects and is what is spinning around the earth which is immobile.  According to Ernst Mach and Lense-Thirring, supported by Einstein himself, the gravitational effects of a rotating star system around a stationary earth are exactly the same as the gravitational effects of a rotating earth in a stationary star system.

The stars donít have to travel huge speeds themselves as would be required in the heliocentric universe, rather, they are carried in an aether medium that satisfies almost all the speed demands.  It is the aether that moves and carries the planets and stars.

This means that the sun, relative to the aether, is not moving at 24 million miles per hour, but is hardly moving at all. The independent movement the sun makes relative to the aether, however, will allow it to transcribe a path through the zodiac each year. Hence, as the aether rotates once per day around the earth, the sun rotates with it, and the sun will come back to almost the same position each day, except that it will be 1/365th ahead of where it was the day before. As for the rest of the stars, they also rotate with the aether, and thus they are not moving at exorbitant speeds, rather, the aether is rotating. Since the aether is at Planck dimensions, it can withstand such speeds.

However, the heliocentric system demands that the sun move around the galaxy at a half million miles per hour, and that the Milky Way galaxy move about 100 times faster than the sun around clusters of other galaxies, and that the outer most galaxies are moving faster than the speed of light. Now thatís getting into the science fiction realm!  Thus the heliocentric system DEMANDS these impossible speeds for the stars.

You have not explained why a faster speed is "more preposterous" than a slow one.
You have not used logic in your answer, other than the circular kind, because you take geocentricity as a starting premise rather than as a conclusion drawn from the greater likelihood of slower speeds.
In summary: you can't answer my question.

In summary you won't listen.  ;)   
The earth is not moving at all nor is it rotating.  In the fictitious heliocentric universe we are moving millions of miles per hour.  What's hard to comprehend?

You stated (in the original quote) that you believe in a geocentric system "as it is easier to believe than the preposterous speeds in the heliocentric universe".
You have presented no argument whatsoever as to why those speeds are preposterous. You are using the likelihood of speed as a cornerstone of your belief in geocentricity, yet you seem incapable of explaining why. Your answer above is a simple non sequitur (again).
I find it very unlikely your claim of being an engineer is true, unless you're Heifer back again with an alt. But you haven't plugged his website yet, so maybe not.
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Re: What would it take to change your mind?
« Reply #32 on: April 08, 2015, 06:31:10 PM »

For the records, millions of experiments have proven the Earth to be round and to orbit the sun at 93m miles, while zero repeatable experiments with reproducible results have been demonstrated for a flat earth or an earth centric solar system.

True science is observational evidence. 

Do you know that by a simple observation of the timed movement of the sun that you can determine that either the sun is not 865,000 miles in diameter or the sun is not 93,000,000 miles from earth? 

Using 93,000,000 mile distance of the sun from the earth the sun diameter comes out to be 3,333 miles, given that the sun moves a distance of its diameter in 3 minutes?

Personally I believe that the sun is much smaller and closer to the earth.
I would love to see your math behind this one.
From this earth travels 1,111 miles/min around circumference of circle. 3 minutes for sun to travel its diameter = 3,333 miles for diameter. 

This is where you lost me. How'd you get 1,111 miles?
Additionally, we cannot entirely rule out the nefarious effects of demons, spirits, gnomes, and wizards on our society's ability to comprehend our flat earth as it really is.