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robintex

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Re: Map
« Reply #90 on: April 01, 2015, 08:35:29 PM »
Would the following  be considered a proper "Flat Earth Question" ?

Question::
How many times does a "Round Earther" have to ask a "Flat Earther" a question before the "Flat Earther" answers a question from a "Round Earther" ?

iWitness in particular.


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Re: Map
« Reply #91 on: April 02, 2015, 06:13:12 AM »
iWitness is a busy man, with a lot of research and experimentation to complete in the short time we are all on this Earth.  Perhaps you should try to PM him with your questions.  I am sure you will get a prompt response. 

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Re: Map
« Reply #92 on: April 02, 2015, 06:46:19 AM »
Would the following  be considered a proper "Flat Earth Question" ?
Question::
How many times does a "Round Earther" have to ask a "Flat Earther" a question before the "Flat Earther" answers a question from a "Round Earther"?

It's becoming increasingly a waste of time asking questions of flat earthers on this alleged Q&A forum.  Any serious questions are invariably ignored by the majority of flat earthers—even by the moderators.  It's actually becoming an information black hole [sic].

A week ago, I asked the following perfectly legitimate questions relating to flat earth and round earth mapping distance discrepancies:

Q1:  Would any flat earther be prepared to dispute the distances between major cities that I recorded (travelling around Australia)?
Q2:  What alternative FE data would they utilise to either prove or disprove my figures?
Q3:  If any FEs disagree with my figures, what cause(s) could they suggest for my alleged errors of measurement?

Today jroa—instead of answering my earlier questions directed to him...
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Q1:  Are any flat earthers currently working on the production of an "official" flat earth map?  If so, who are they?
Q2:  What is the expected time frame for the delivery of the map?  Days?  Weeks?  Or if longer, by how much?

... is now apparently suggesting we PM flat earthers for some answers.

—Is this really the best the flat earthers can do on their own Q&A forum?

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Re: Map
« Reply #93 on: April 02, 2015, 07:18:07 AM »
iWitness is a busy man, with a lot of research and experimentation to complete in the short time we are all on this Earth.  Perhaps you should try to PM him with your questions.  I am sure you will get a prompt response.
Here's my question, is Witness not an overly religious type of FE'r? The kind whose research is reading the bible?
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Re: Map
« Reply #94 on: April 03, 2015, 04:30:35 PM »
Would the following  be considered a proper "Flat Earth Question" ?
Question::
How many times does a "Round Earther" have to ask a "Flat Earther" a question before the "Flat Earther" answers a question from a "Round Earther"?

It's becoming increasingly a waste of time asking questions of flat earthers on this alleged Q&A forum.  Any serious questions are invariably ignored by the majority of flat earthers—even by the moderators. It's actually becoming an information black hole [sic].

A week ago, I asked the following perfectly legitimate questions relating to flat earth and round earth mapping distance discrepancies:

Q1:  Would any flat earther be prepared to dispute the distances between major cities that I recorded (travelling around Australia)?
Q2:  What alternative FE data would they utilise to either prove or disprove my figures?
Q3:  If any FEs disagree with my figures, what cause(s) could they suggest for my alleged errors of measurement?

Today jroa—instead of answering my earlier questions directed to him...
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Q1:  Are any flat earthers currently working on the production of an "official" flat earth map?  If so, who are they?
Q2:  What is the expected time frame for the delivery of the map?  Days?  Weeks?  Or if longer, by how much?

... is now apparently suggesting we PM flat earthers for some answers.

Is this really the best the flat earthers can do on their own Q&A forum?

If it wasn't for some of the postings by some flat earthers which are "so stupid it's funny" visiting this website would be  It's becoming increasingly a waste of time if it wasn't for the entertainment value.

I have taken the suggestion and PM'd iWitness to see if I will get any answers to my questions.

P.S. I recently PM'd another contributor to this website and got a reply in a few hours. Of course he was a Round Earther. Nothing as yet from iWitness  :'(
« Last Edit: April 03, 2015, 08:41:07 PM by Googleotomy »
Stick close , very close , to your P.C.and never go to sea
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Look out your window , see what you shall see
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

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Re: Map
« Reply #95 on: April 04, 2015, 04:30:38 AM »
I have taken the suggestion and PM'd iWitness to see if I will get any answers to my questions.

I note that iWitness hasn't been active on these forums since 24 March 2015 at 06:43:24 PM.

Maybe we've finally got rid of him and his irrelevant bible-bashing nonsense..... I live in hope.    ;D

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Re: Map
« Reply #96 on: April 04, 2015, 07:14:36 AM »
I have taken the suggestion and PM'd iWitness to see if I will get any answers to my questions.

I note that iWitness hasn't been active on these forums since 24 March 2015 at 06:43:24 PM.

Maybe we've finally got rid of him and his irrelevant bible-bashing nonsense..... I live in hope.    ;D

Hope springs eternal. ::) No reply on the PM to iWitness yet.
« Last Edit: April 04, 2015, 07:16:35 AM by Googleotomy »
Stick close , very close , to your P.C.and never go to sea
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Look out your window , see what you shall see
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Chorus:
Yes ! Never, never, never,  ever go to sea !

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Re: Map
« Reply #97 on: April 10, 2015, 06:03:12 PM »
Meanwhile, we await the return of iWitness. A few answers to some questions, please.

I received an e-mail from iWitness today. Apparently he really believes that his ancient maps are more accurate than modern maps. No comment except I suggested that he take those maps to a steam ship line or airline office for their comments. I await his reply on the result of his visits.
« Last Edit: April 10, 2015, 06:12:39 PM by Googleotomy »
Stick close , very close , to your P.C.and never go to sea
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Look out your window , see what you shall see
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Chorus:
Yes ! Never, never, never,  ever go to sea !

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Re: Map
« Reply #98 on: April 12, 2015, 11:24:10 AM »
Just found this map:



It's one of the most complete world maps I have found that shows most of Antarctica around the Flat Earth. Only problems I see with this map is the size of the Americas are much too big, and the main world mass should be larger and more centered.

But other than that, this is a great FLAT EARTH map.

The ancient Babylonian world map, oldest map of the world, shows 7 islands around a main body of land.





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Re: Map
« Reply #99 on: April 12, 2015, 12:47:25 PM »
Just found this map:



It's one of the most complete world maps I have found that shows most of Antarctica around the Flat Earth. Only problems I see with this map is the size of the Americas are much too big, and the main world mass should be larger and more centered.

But other than that, this is a great FLAT EARTH map.

What do you say to this FLAT EARTH map. Here Eurasia is bigger and more centered, too.


« Last Edit: April 12, 2015, 12:51:11 PM by FalseProphet »

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Re: Map
« Reply #100 on: April 12, 2015, 10:14:28 PM »
Just found this map:



It's one of the most complete world maps I have found that shows most of Antarctica around the Flat Earth. Only problems I see with this map is the size of the Americas are much too big, and the main world mass should be larger and more centered.

But other than that, this is a great FLAT EARTH map.


Aside from the fact that Australia is part of antarctica, which it is demonstrably not.
And there is no antarctica on the edges of the map in the pacific ocean.

Other than that, yeah. It is a great Flat earth map. Pat yourself on the back.

Don't even want to comment on the other maps.
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Re: Map
« Reply #101 on: April 12, 2015, 10:20:25 PM »
Just found this map:



It's one of the most complete world maps I have found that shows most of Antarctica around the Flat Earth. Only problems I see with this map is the size of the Americas are much too big, and the main world mass should be larger and more centered.

But other than that, this is a great FLAT EARTH map.


Aside from the fact that Australia is part of antarctica, which it is demonstrably not.
And there is no antarctica on the edges of the map in the pacific ocean.

Other than that, yeah. It is a great Flat earth map. Pat yourself on the back.


Such "Flat earth maps" were used for centuries to circumnavigate the globe! Isn't that marvelous?  ;D

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Re: Map
« Reply #102 on: April 12, 2015, 11:06:28 PM »
Just found this map:



It's one of the most complete world maps I have found that shows most of Antarctica around the Flat Earth. Only problems I see with this map is the size of the Americas are much too big, and the main world mass should be larger and more centered.

But other than that, this is a great FLAT EARTH map.


Aside from the fact that Australia is part of antarctica, which it is demonstrably not.
And there is no antarctica on the edges of the map in the pacific ocean.

Other than that, yeah. It is a great Flat earth map. Pat yourself on the back.


Such "Flat earth maps" were used for centuries to circumnavigate the globe! Isn't that marvelous?  ;D

Ironic that iWitness is using a round earth (i.e. actual) map to further his psychotic rants about the earth being flat.
 ;D
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Re: Map
« Reply #103 on: April 13, 2015, 07:58:48 AM »
Interesting how on this old map, Russia and Alaska both connect to Antarctica, and NOT the Bering straight. Just what I suspected, that traveling from Russia to Alaska over the Bering straight is IMPOSSIBLE. Which is why there will never be a land bridge or superhighway built.

What happened to the giant Antarctic landmass in the north that somehow disappeared from modern maps?

Just found this map:



It's one of the most complete world maps I have found that shows most of Antarctica around the Flat Earth. Only problems I see with this map is the size of the Americas are much too big, and the main world mass should be larger and more centered.

But other than that, this is a great FLAT EARTH map.


Aside from the fact that Australia is part of antarctica, which it is demonstrably not.
And there is no antarctica on the edges of the map in the pacific ocean.

Other than that, yeah. It is a great Flat earth map. Pat yourself on the back.

Don't even want to comment on the other maps.
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Re: Map
« Reply #104 on: April 13, 2015, 08:18:11 AM »
Interesting how on this old map, Russia and Alaska both connect to Antarctica, and NOT the Bering straight. Just what I suspected, that traveling from Russia to Alaska over the Bering straight is IMPOSSIBLE. Which is why there will never be a land bridge or superhighway built.

What happened to the giant Antarctic landmass in the north that somehow disappeared from modern maps?




What are you on about? Antarctica is in the south.
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Re: Map
« Reply #105 on: April 13, 2015, 08:29:15 AM »
I think I figured it out. Will keep you posted.  :o
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Re: Map
« Reply #106 on: April 13, 2015, 11:27:11 AM »
Just found this map:



LOL... this is what's called, I believe, a "home goal".

This map is actually a Mercator projection of the spherical planet.  It's Latin title is Nova et Aucta Orbis Terrae Descriptio ad Usum Navigantium Emendate Accommodata which means "new and more complete representation of the terrestrial globe properly adapted for use in navigation".

We round earthers all thank you iWitness for (inadvertently?) helping to support our side of the debate.  Well done!  10/10.     ;D


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Re: Map
« Reply #107 on: April 13, 2015, 11:44:13 AM »
Just found this map:



It's one of the most complete world maps I have found that shows most of Antarctica around the Flat Earth. Only problems I see with this map is the size of the Americas are much too big, and the main world mass should be larger and more centered.

But other than that, this is a great FLAT EARTH map.

At first glance I notice that that map is missing Australia and Alaska, South America is shown to touch Antarctica, The coast of California is misshapen, and the North Pole is way too big.  Also, if you look at the bottom left you will see Antarctica as it's shaped on a round Earth and that map can't explain how circumnavigation is possible  if it represents the true shape of the Earth.
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Re: Map
« Reply #108 on: April 13, 2015, 01:29:10 PM »
Just found this map:



LOL... this is what's called, I believe, a "home goal".

This map is actually a Mercator projection of the spherical planet.  It's Latin title is Nova et Aucta Orbis Terrae Descriptio ad Usum Navigantium Emendate Accommodata which means "new and more complete representation of the terrestrial globe properly adapted for use in navigation".

We round earthers all thank you iWitness for (inadvertently?) helping to support our side of the debate.  Well done!  10/10.     ;D



Interesting however that navigation works when we project the round map to the square. But the original belief was flat. So basically, we had the flat earth, along comes your savior Copernicus Christ and his sun 3,000,000 miles away and the Earth goes Globetrotter followed by the need to project it back to a square for navigation. It appears to me their was a step in the middle that was not needed, without basis, without proof, and useless to everyone but intellectuals who will cry when their bubble pops.

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jeranism

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Re: Map
« Reply #109 on: April 13, 2015, 01:34:42 PM »
Look the facts are simple....


Who is usually telling the truth?  Liars or people who tell the truth?  I know, it is a tough question.


So NASA lies, check. Governments lie, check. The people who shrunk the south and expanded the north placing the equator 75% down the map lie, check. Okay and they all believe what?  Oh magical ball Earth? 


Okay and what lies do flat Earth people tell? (Oh yeah, religion....  fuck I had something)


Way to go Christians... now the real shape of the world is right there with virgin births. 







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Re: Map
« Reply #110 on: April 13, 2015, 03:11:50 PM »
Everyone in the world believes that the sky is blue including all the people who lie, and so if all lairs are telling us that the sky is blue then that must mean that the sky is purple.  That's flat earther logic.

I do believe that we are lied to by the government, but the thing about NASA is that they can't really lie about space travel because they are not very secretive about their rockets.  In order for rocket launches to be faked, everyone involved with building and launching the rockets and anyone observing the construction of a rocket has to be in on the conspiracy, which is literally millions of people including tens of thousands of private contractors.  Even if they just built real rockets and crashed them that would mean that everyone who designed, debugged, tested, or even looked at the launch program would have to be in on the conspiracy and that is still well over 1,000 people.  Now that's just NASA, for all space travel to be fake it would require literally every space agency, both private and government funded, would have to be in on it including ESA, JPL, Virgin Galactic, Blue Origin, SpaceX, and dozens more.  That's a lot of conspirators.  Isn't a conspiracy supposed to let as few people in on it as possible?
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Re: Map
« Reply #111 on: April 13, 2015, 06:03:51 PM »
Just found this map:



LOL... this is what's called, I believe, a "home goal".

This map is actually a Mercator projection of the spherical planet.  It's Latin title is Nova et Aucta Orbis Terrae Descriptio ad Usum Navigantium Emendate Accommodata which means "new and more complete representation of the terrestrial globe properly adapted for use in navigation".

We round earthers all thank you iWitness for (inadvertently?) helping to support our side of the debate.  Well done!  10/10.     ;D



Interesting however that navigation works when we project the round map to the square. But the original belief was flat. So basically, we had the flat earth, along comes your savior Copernicus Christ and his sun 3,000,000 miles away and the Earth goes Globetrotter followed by the need to project it back to a square for navigation. It appears to me their was a step in the middle that was not needed, without basis, without proof, and useless to everyone but intellectuals who will cry when their bubble pops.

Other than being almost completely inaccurate in a lot of places , there is nothing wrong with your map. A few other problems are the shape and size of South America compared to North America. At best it is simply what they knew about the world, or what they thought that they knew about the world at the time that map was made.
« Last Edit: April 13, 2015, 06:16:53 PM by Googleotomy »
Stick close , very close , to your P.C.and never go to sea
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Look out your window , see what you shall see
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

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Yes ! Never, never, never,  ever go to sea !

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Re: Map
« Reply #112 on: April 13, 2015, 06:04:21 PM »
Look the facts are simple....


Who is usually telling the truth?  Liars or people who tell the truth?  I know, it is a tough question.


So NASA lies, check. Governments lie, check. The people who shrunk the south and expanded the north placing the equator 75% down the map lie, check. Okay and they all believe what?  Oh magical ball Earth? 


Okay and what lies do flat Earth people tell? (Oh yeah, religion....  fuck I had something)


Way to go Christians... now the real shape of the world is right there with virgin births. 




The equator is in the middle, dumbass. You aren't even including the entire map!
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Re: Map
« Reply #113 on: April 13, 2015, 06:51:01 PM »
Interesting however that navigation works when we project the round map to the square. But the original belief was flat. So basically, we had the flat earth, along comes your savior Copernicus Christ and his sun 3,000,000 miles away and the Earth goes Globetrotter followed by the need to project it back to a square for navigation. It appears to me their was a step in the middle that was not needed, without basis, without proof, and useless to everyone but intellectuals who will cry when their bubble pops.

jeranism, here's some basic historical information. Everybody here knows these things (except iWitness of course, who is a brainless disgorger of Bible texts).

http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2013/05/people-in-columbus-time-did-not-think-the-world-was-flat/

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Re: Map
« Reply #114 on: April 14, 2015, 08:35:34 AM »
Just found this map:



LOL... this is what's called, I believe, a "home goal".

This map is actually a Mercator projection of the spherical planet.  It's Latin title is Nova et Aucta Orbis Terrae Descriptio ad Usum Navigantium Emendate Accommodata which means "new and more complete representation of the terrestrial globe properly adapted for use in navigation".

We round earthers all thank you iWitness for (inadvertently?) helping to support our side of the debate.  Well done!  10/10.     ;D

Lol... you don't think I realized that the people publishing this map assumed the earth was a globe? Nice try, but it doesn't matter what the people believed about the shape of the earth. The Map clearly shows Antarctica going all the way around the world, and also the Bering straight does not exist.

Can you not see that this projection would be IMPOSSIBLE on a globe? Antarctica and the Arctic would take up 30% or more of the globe. Yet, when you look at the fake composite pictures of earth from space, Antarctica can barely be seen.

You really think all the landmasses would fit on this:

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Re: Map
« Reply #115 on: April 14, 2015, 08:52:36 AM »
Interesting however that navigation works when we project the round map to the square.
Nope.  It's not particularly "interesting"; it's just logical. It's far easier to fold up a flat map and slip it into your backpack than a spherical globe, and it's also far easier to plot a course on a flat piece of paper.  I'm also guessing you don't have much knowledge of cartography projection, or differential geometry and projective geometry.

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But the original belief was flat.

2,000-year-old science is irrelevant.  Like a lot of flat earthers, your apparent understanding of contemporary geophysics is somewhat limited.

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So basically, we had the flat earth, along comes your savior Copernicus Christ and his sun 3,000,000 miles away and the Earth goes Globetrotter followed by the need to project it back to a square for navigation. It appears to me their was a step in the middle that was not needed, without basis, without proof, and useless to everyone but intellectuals who will cry when their bubble pops.
LOL... now you're really grasping at straws!  This is an image of something that was always present in the "great cabin" of any sailing ship...


It's a navigator's terrestrial globe dating from the 16th century.  The map itself was drawn by Gerardus Mercator in 1541, and its main purpose... shock... gasp... was for ships' navigation.  Who woulda thunk it eh?

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Re: Map
« Reply #116 on: April 14, 2015, 09:02:25 AM »
The Map clearly shows Antarctica going all the way around the world, and also the Bering straight does not exist.
Uh... no it doesn't.  I can't see any land/ice mass to the extreme east or west of the map.  Sorry.

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You really think all the landmasses would fit on this:
Of course I do.  I agree totally with the 21st century scientific status quo.  Can you prove—or even suggest why—all the earth's continents and oceans wouldn't fit on a sphere of sufficient size?

—I thought not.    ;D

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Re: Map
« Reply #117 on: April 14, 2015, 09:25:42 AM »
But isn't it AMAZING that for thousands of years everyone believed the earth was flat and produced the ancient maps that made globes like that possible? These ancient civilizations sailed to the ends of the earth and even discovered America using these Flat earth maps. How could they do that?


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It is commonly considered to have been a windmill built in the mid-17th century. However, the tower has received attention due to speculation that it is actually several centuries older and would then represent evidence of pre-Columbian trans-oceanic contact.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newport_Tower_%28Rhode_Island%29

Tiny Roman Bust Shows Pre-Columbian Contact With Mexico

Source: http://www.andrewcollins.com/page/articles/romanbust.htm


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A letter group resembling the tetragrammaton YHWH, or "Yahweh," makes three appearances. The stone is controversial in that some claim the inscription is Pre-Columbian, and therefore proof of early Semitic contact with the Americas.[3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Lunas_Decalogue_Stone

Why must the Atheist-Evolutionists of this day insist on their version of history that we evolved from cavemen and were too stupid to know anything. Why can't you admit that maybe you don't know all the answers.
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Re: Map
« Reply #118 on: April 14, 2015, 09:44:37 AM »


While this map is not 100% perfect, it is still 100x better than what they have come up with since then. It's quite obvious from ancient sea expeditions and mapping, that Antarctica is a ring of ice around a flat earth with several islands in between. But for whatever reason, they have decided to lie about it.

It makes sense that the Americas is seriously distorted in size compared to Eurasia because this was new territory to these explorers. It truly appears as if the "Dark Ages" was a time when knowledge was hidden and suppressed because I'm sure there have been more accurate maps in ancient times.
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Re: Map
« Reply #119 on: April 14, 2015, 10:02:00 AM »


While this map is not 100% perfect, it is still 100x better than what they have come up with since then. It's quite obvious from ancient sea expeditions and mapping, that Antarctica is a ring of ice around a flat earth with several islands in between. But for whatever reason, they have decided to lie about it.

It makes sense that the Americas is seriously distorted in size compared to Eurasia because this was new territory to these explorers. It truly appears as if the "Dark Ages" was a time when knowledge was hidden and suppressed because I'm sure there have been more accurate maps in ancient times.

You're a lunatic! It's a beautiful old map showing the extent of European exploring and mapping at that time. See how the coastlines of Europe, Africa and the Middle East are all quite accurate, while the Americas and far East are sketchy? And they hadn't discovered Australia yet. The ice is at each pole, not surrounding the earth.
A delusion is something that someone believes in despite a total lack of evidence - Prof. Richard Dawkins.