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It is not just the distance or medium.  All of the devices that the signal passes through each add an amount of delay.  You do not have just a long cable going from your house to a US server.  There are many devices in between.  With more distance, you have more devices handling the signal.

This is true, but I am sure there is lots written on this. The devices that handle the routing do not add much at all though. Lowest realistic pings are about 8 for League of Legends (I used to play), and those. Just an interesting angle. I will see if it brings anything to the table

Quote from: jroa on March 23, 2015, 08:11:22 PM

It is not just the distance or medium.  All of the devices that the signal passes through each add an amount of delay.  You do not have just a long cable going from your house to a US server.  There are many devices in between.  With more distance, you have more devices handling the signal.

This is true, but I am sure there is lots written on this. The devices that handle the routing do not add much at all though. Lowest realistic pings are about 8 for League of Legends (I used to play), and those. Just an interesting angle. I will see if it brings anything to the table

It will bring nothing.

We wait for distances to be drawn on the above map.

Speaking of transoceanic cables, this is a great read: http://www.vox.com/2015/3/13/8204655/submarine-cables-internet

Speaking of transoceanic cables, this is a great read: http://www.vox.com/2015/3/13/8204655/submarine-cables-internet

And flat earthers can't deny it because it's responsible for the Internet.

Please, limit your posts to flat Earth questions and answers here. 

So... the original questions of seeing "a map of our flat world with approximate distances" and asking "has there been any progress on producing this?" have still to be satisfactorily addressed by the flat earthers.

Q1:  Are any flat earthers currently working on the production of such a map?  If so, who are they?

Q2:  What is the expected time frame for the delivery of the map?  Days?  Or if longer, by how much?

So... the original questions of seeing "a map of our flat world with approximate distances" and asking "has there been any progress on producing this?" have still to be satisfactorily addressed by the flat earthers.

Q1:  Are any flat earthers currently working on the production of such a map?  If so, who are they?

Q2:  What is the expected time frame for the delivery of the map?  Days?  Or if longer, by how much?

Q1: Where's the map ? (The only  very proper Question from the RE's)
A1: Here's  the map. (The only very  proper Answer from the FE's)

However , if you want to get real about it (which is something beyond Flat Earthers).
The answer is simply that there is never going to be a Flat Earth Map since there is no Flat Earth to make a Flat Earth map since there is no Flat Earth since the earth is  not a Flat Earth since the earth is a Round Earth or a Globe. However as long as there is a Flat Earth Society there is always going to be a Flat Earth, imaginary or otherwise...Map or no map.

And all those ham radio operators and astronomers are flat out liars. If you believe that the moon is 100, 200, 700 or 3000 miles from the earth according to the Flat Earthers and not some ridiculous figure such as the 238150 miles that the ham radio operators made up. They just made up that figure. In the first place just ask any FE and they will tell you it is a fact that there is no such thing as the speed of light or radio waves and if there is no such thing you can't measure distances since there is no such thing as the speed of radio waves or light waves.

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There are some very important areas that are not accounted for like east of China where it becomes pitch black 24 hours a day,

I barely survived reading this sentence. Anybody else?

Yes. Among a few other things. (Suppressing an LOL)
I have been to Hong Kong and Japan which are east of China and it never became pitch black for 24 hours a day. Where IS there this area east of China where this is true ? Citation needed.

 I don't find Texas on those maps of iWitness either. How dare you ! Or how dare y'all !

I guess all the surveyors, such as the Coast and Geodetic Departments of all the countries in the world who have surveyed most of the world and come up with all the maps of the world (including Antarctica) are all sinners and agents of Satan according to iWitness who is the self-claimed posessor of all the only accurate maps of the world ?

Regardless of the efforts of The Flat Earth Society, it looks like some of those surveyors and cartographers would have mapped the Ice Wall or the Ice Ring, whatever you want to call it . The answer is they have mapped it but they haven't released the maps since they are all part of The Round  Earth Conspiracy. And they survived since they were wearing special Thermal Underwear to survive in the near Absolute Zero temperatures of the Ice Ring or the Ice Wall, whatever you want to call it. At least that's my theory.

It would be fun to see a map of our flat world with approximate distances. Has there been any progress on producing this?

It seems like a fairly essential aspect of the flat earth proposal.

Can the FE society not just get in their cars and drive around the country to see if maps of the RE correspond with their proposals? This is a really low budget way to find out.

Brings to wonder how serious the most serious of FE believers really are. There is a museum with people riding dinosaurs! And you guys are not even prepared to drive the country?!

Quote from: Weatherwax on March 21, 2015, 03:13:32 PM

It would be fun to see a map of our flat world with approximate distances. Has there been any progress on producing this?

It seems like a fairly essential aspect of the flat earth proposal.

Can the FE society not just get in their cars and drive around the country to see if maps of the RE correspond with their proposals? This is a really low budget way to find out.

Brings to wonder how serious the most serious of FE believers really are. There is a museum with people riding dinosaurs! And you guys are not even prepared to drive the country?!

If there is no flat earth map then how do sat-nav systems in cars and phones work?

Quote from: Weatherwax on March 21, 2015, 03:13:32 PM

It would be fun to see a map of our flat world with approximate distances. Has there been any progress on producing this?

It seems like a fairly essential aspect of the flat earth proposal.

Can the FE society not just get in their cars and drive around the country to see if maps of the RE correspond with their proposals? This is a really low budget way to find out.

Brings to wonder how serious the most serious of FE believers really are. There is a museum with people riding dinosaurs! And you guys are not even prepared to drive the country?!

Yeah, exactly. I am wondering about the same thing too. It is easy to just talk, why can't someone  do real experiments or measurements? Some people don't believe in Ushuaia days are 17 hours long in the summer. Such things can be verified, there is no need to argue and speculate when you can check.

This is a Q&A forum, not a playground.  If you don't have a question or answer about the flat Earth, then please refrain from posting here.  Consider this a warning everybody.  Thanks. 

This is a Q&A forum, not a playground.  If you don't have a question or answer about the flat Earth, then please refrain from posting here.  Consider this a warning everybody.  Thanks.

I hate to tell you this, but for most people, this website as a whole  HAS become a playground for most people . Thanks in a large part to you, jroa. From viewers like us. Thank You.

ask neil for a map of his torus earth.
or is someone above your scrutiny because they help you in your pathetic crusade against flat earth theory?

Warning to newcomers to this website.

Don't ever post any known "Round Earth" facts or question anything about a "Flat Earth" or you will get a warning from one of the moderators of this website. I am speaking from personal experience. Just keep in mind that after all this IS the Flat Earth Society website. LOL

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I don't see why this is so difficult. All you need to do is take a few measurements from different locations, if these fit with the published distances you will know that land masses on maps are correct. Then you just have to plonk them on a flat map.

i don't have a problem with measured distances on land, it's distances across sea and through air i have a problem with. how would you suggest we measure those? first, say how they could reliably be measured in the first place, and second say how you expect someone without a plane or ship to do the same, without supposing existing round earth maps are accurate.

you could not come up with a map yourself without relying on technology that is not acceptable. why do you expect us to?

Fair enough, if you agree the dimensions of land masses, you have a good starting point. Assuming you agree with the general layout of continents, there is no reason a map cannot be produced *ocean sizes to be confirmed.

Although I believe you can use a GPS watch on planes,if you sit next to the window.

And you can calibrate a GPS watch to your own measured distance.

and in that case, i've provided such a map. it's based on a round earth map, because they're all that exist, and it's the same world so of course there will be similarities.
gps is unreliable though. if you accept gps, then the world's round, that's an automatic consequence. this has been discussed in several other threads.

wolf, if you can tell me how you calculate an aircraft's speed, then your equation makes sense. the fact is, there's no way to do that unless you already know the distance you're travelling. as you're trying to find the distance, you can't calculate speed.

Why is GPS unreliable?   Used by millions every day.

I use my GPS - and it is an older model that I have had for several years - a lot on trips and just around town for fun. I have never found it to be unreliabe. For example, when it says "Turn left at the corner of Main and First Streets." When I get to the corner of Main and First Streets.. It says"Bong" and it shows me on the map that I am at Main and First  streets or anywhere else where I am all the time. I have never found my GPS to be unreliable. I have even used it on a train if I point it out the window. It even calculated the speed of the train.

I'll take that back. It is rather unreliable inside a building with a steel frame.

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Real map looks something like this:

Ilive in Malaysia. Do I exist?

Hardy Har har.... America isn't on the map either... so what?

I said it looks SOMETHING like this map, I didn't say it looks exactly like it.

There isn't a perfect map available to the public, but I'm sure one has existed at some point. The fact of the matter is, Israel is in the Middle of the Flat Earth next to the Mediterranean Sea (Middle of the Earth Sea).

This is the huge discrepancy between the real flat earth map and the UN Logo and FES map.

This fact has been known for thousands of years::



See Jerusalem right in the middle?

I mean this seriously.

At least a few of us would appreciate it if iWitness would do us the favour of answering some of our questions.

In particular,  please answer  this question:
Do you really, honestly and truly believe that all of those pictures of maps of the world  that you have posted  are really, truly and honestly accurate and are really, truly and honestly more accurate than modern maps ?

Could you give us your answer ?  Really, truly and honestly, that is ? Please , Sir !  Do us the favour of your answer ! This is not a demand, just a friendly request.

Of course if you are not going to answer. We have become used to that and expect it.

Warning to newcomers to this website.

Don't ever post any known "Round Earth" facts or question anything about a "Flat Earth" or you will get a warning from one of the moderators of this website. I am speaking from personal experience. Just keep in mind that after all this IS the Flat Earth Society website. LOL

Warning to Googleotomy: do not make posts in the Q&A section if you are not asking a flat Earth question or giving a flat Earth answer.  Why is this so hard for you to understand.  I am giving you another official warning. 

This is a Q&A forum, not a playground.  If you don't have a question or answer about the flat Earth, then please refrain from posting here.

I agree totally jroa.

Therefore, could you please address the following questions which I posted five days ago and which have, as yet, gone unanswered by any flat earthers:

Q1:  Are any flat earthers currently working on the production of an "official" flat earth map?  If so, who are they?

Q2:  What is the expected time frame for the delivery of the map?  Days?  Weeks?  Or if longer, by how much?

—I ask this in connection with the OP's assertion that, regarding a map, "It seems like a fairly essential aspect of the flat earth proposal".

Quote from: Googleotomy on March 26, 2015, 10:36:06 AM

Warning to newcomers to this website.

Don't ever post any known "Round Earth" facts or question anything about a "Flat Earth" or you will get a warning from one of the moderators of this website. I am speaking from personal experience. Just keep in mind that after all this IS the Flat Earth Society website. LOL

Warning to Googleotomy: do not make posts in the Q&A section if you are not asking a flat Earth question or giving a flat Earth answer.  Why is this so hard for you to understand.  I am giving you another official warning.

Then I will ask iWitness only  Flat Earth questions.:

Q1 :Do you believe that the Flat Earth Maps you have posted are accurate and could be used for land , aeronautical and/or naval navigation purposes ?
An answer  of just yes or no would do.

Q2: Where is the area "East of China where it is pitch dark 24 hours a day ?"  Could you define this area on a map to show us where this area is located on the earth ? Just my guess, but could you possibly be referring to a cave that is somewhere east of China were it would always be pitch dark 24 hours a day ?
Maybe that would explain it ?

Q3: Where are North America, South America and Antarctica on your Flat Earth Maps ?


I will apologize for keeping on repeating my questions, but maybe iWitness has been off the Internet and hasn't had time to answer my questions, so I will  just wait for the answers.

iWitness if you would only just answer my questions. I promise not to make any remarks about them. I will leave that to the others on this thread. Just answers, please.

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Quote from: JRoweSkeptic on March 23, 2015, 04:45:02 AM

wolf, if you can tell me how you calculate an aircraft's speed, then your equation makes sense. the fact is, there's no way to do that unless you already know the distance you're travelling. as you're trying to find the distance, you can't calculate speed.

Your almost on the answer.
Many ways to calculate the air speed itself. But modern aircraft use a pitot tube, that measures air pressure. Increased air speed results in increased air pressure.
Calibrate this instrument with ground based measurements and now you have an accurate means to measure air speed. Speed over time gives you distance.
My father has been a pilot before he stuck a gps in this plane and that is exactly how he calculated his distance.
Obviously wind will change your ground speed. But this is not an unknown, and can to a certain degree be calculated before taking off with proper planning, by calling in ground based weather stations on your route. This is generally how pilots used to do it before gps, and they managed to still get to a 2 km long airstrip over 1000km away.

JRowe, as I am not sure on your perspective of the world map, is the map I linked above your accepted map? If not I can do some calculations on your version.

planes work by being pointed in the correct direction, and the pilots using their eyes. they don't predict the wind speed caused by, for example, aetheric whirlpools which don't exist in the round earth model.

i accept dual earth theory, in which the top and bottom of the earth is inhabited. an approximate map is given in the first reply to this thread.

How do they fly at night?

One example:
Most commercial airline pilots fly by instruments, radar and are under air traffic control day and/or night.

Quote from: jroa on March 25, 2015, 09:29:50 AM

This is a Q&A forum, not a playground.  If you don't have a question or answer about the flat Earth, then please refrain from posting here.  Consider this a warning everybody.  Thanks.

I hate to tell you this, but for most people, this website as a whole  HAS become a playground for most people . Thanks in a large part to you, jroa. From viewers like us. Thank You.

Flat Earth Question:
How many warnings  does jroa make in a day ?

And in that case, I've provided such a map. It's based on a round earth map, because they're all that exist, and it's the same world so of course there will be similarities.

So now you're admitting that your assumptions are based "on a round earth map"?  You're now also saying that the FE map and the RE map share "similarities".

Q1:  Exactly which parts of your FE map are shared by the RE map?
Q2:  And are you now agreeing that some parts of the RE map are in fact correct? (As you're happy to use them.)

GPS is unreliable though. If you accept GPS, then the world's round, that's an automatic consequence.

Q3:  Can you please cite references proving that GPS is "unreliable".
Q4:  If (as you claim) GPS is unreliable, then why does every ship and every plane arrive precisely at its intended destination?

...if you can tell me how you calculate an aircraft's speed, then your equation makes sense. The fact is, there's no way to do that unless you already know the distance you're travelling. As you're trying to find the distance, you can't calculate speed.

Q5:  Are you claiming that current flight distance tables such as THIS are incorrect?
Q6:  If so, would you refute the air distance form New York to San Francisco as being 2593.85 miles or 4174.39km?
Q7:  By what FE means would you calculate the air distance from New York to San Francisco?

Q4:  If (as you claim) GPS is unreliable, then why does every ship and every plane arrive precisely at its intended destination?

Planes sometimes don't make it to their destination, precisely or otherwise.
Like MH370

Quote from: JRoweSkeptic on March 23, 2015, 04:45:02 AM

And in that case, I've provided such a map. It's based on a round earth map, because they're all that exist, and it's the same world so of course there will be similarities.

So now you're admitting that your assumptions are based "on a round earth map"?  You're now also saying that the FE map and the RE map share "similarities".

Q1:  Exactly which parts of your FE map are shared by the RE map?
Q2:  And are you now agreeing that some parts of the RE map are in fact correct? (As you're happy to use them.)

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GPS is unreliable though. If you accept GPS, then the world's round, that's an automatic consequence.

Q3:  Can you please cite references proving that GPS is "unreliable".
Q4:  If (as you claim) GPS is unreliable, then why does every ship and every plane arrive precisely at its intended destination?

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...if you can tell me how you calculate an aircraft's speed, then your equation makes sense. The fact is, there's no way to do that unless you already know the distance you're travelling. As you're trying to find the distance, you can't calculate speed.

Q5:  Are you claiming that current flight distance tables such as THIS are incorrect?
Q6:  If so, would you refute the air distance form New York to San Francisco as being 2593.85 miles or 4174.39km?
Q7:  By what FE means would you calculate the air distance from New York to San Francisco?

I have been retired for about 16 years now from the technical side of Air Traffic Control and Air Traffic Control Technology has probably advanced a quite bit since.
But under the old systems all of ausGeoffs questions and answers would be simple. On the old computer system an Air Traffic Controller would know the identification of the aircraft and its speed  from the information on his computer screen.This of course is using Round Earth.
http://a4.mzstatic.com/us/r30/Purple/v4/e7/45/de/e745deb5-aa0e-e415-09ce-d571fd326503/screen480x480.jpeg

I think ausGeoff's question is how would these be calculated on a Flat Earth?.
Air Traffic Control is a proven system and works with a Round Earth. If it can be explained how it work with a so-called "Flat Earth" this would be interesting.

I am having trouble getting replies to my questions to iWitness.

I noticed another person is having the same problem with another person.

He has suggested that the moderator answer the questions in the behalf of the absence of the other person.

Could this be done in this case ?

Or should I just assume that since iWitness has not replied that he really does believe that the ancient Flat Earth Maps that he has posted are really more accurate than modern maps ?

Quote from: Weatherwax on March 21, 2015, 03:13:32 PM

It would be fun to see a map of our flat world with approximate distances. Has there been any progress on producing this?

It seems like a fairly essential aspect of the flat earth proposal.

Can the FE society not just get in their cars and drive around the country to see if maps of the RE correspond with their proposals? This is a really low budget way to find out.

Brings to wonder how serious the most serious of FE believers really are. There is a museum with people riding dinosaurs! And you guys are not even prepared to drive the country?!

This would be a good suggestion....Especially for those living in Australia or south of the equator...Assuming the only flat earth is the one they post.

Quote from: MaNaeSWolf on March 24, 2015, 10:54:16 PM

Can the FE society not just get in their cars and drive around the country to see if maps of the RE correspond with their proposals? This is a really low budget way to find out.

Brings to wonder how serious the most serious of FE believers really are. There is a museum with people riding dinosaurs! And you guys are not even prepared to drive the country?!

This would be a good suggestion....Especially for those living in Australia or south of the equator...Assuming the only flat earth is the one they post.

I live in Australia, (obviously duh) and I've also driven around most of its coast. 

Q1:  Would any flat earther be prepared to dispute the distances between major cities that I recorded?
Q2:  What alternative FE data would they utilise to either prove or disprove my figures?
Q3:  If any FEs disagree with my figures, what cause(s) could they suggest for my alleged errors of measurement?

Using agreed upon data from the measurements of the land, I have come up with what, to me, seems to be a working map. I detail both it, and its process of construction, here.

Meanwhile, we await the return of iWitness. A few answers to some questions, please.