NASA admits that they cannot send crafts through the Van Allen Belts

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Some people believe that the Apollo moon landings were a hoax because astronauts would have been instantly killed in the Van Allen radiation belts. Now, we have proof that shows this is correct.

Straight from a NASA employee's own mouth; "we must solve these challenges before we send people through this region of space."

Uh, couldn't they just use the technology that shielded the Apollo astronauts during their flight? If not, why? Is it because the moon landing never actually happened and the Apollo mission is just an American folktale? The answer is starting to look like a resounding YES.

Apparently NASA now believes that traveling through the belts will kill the passengers of any craft without proper shielding (which they admit that they do not have in the video), yet they claim to have done just that back in 1969. How does that make any sense? I suspect the employee in the video will be fired for revealing NASA secrets, but I am grateful for his slip up as it certainly does explain a lot.
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Re: NASA admits that they cannot send crafts through the Van Allen Belts
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2015, 05:19:38 PM »
Nothing present in the video suggest people have never gone through the Van Allen Belt.
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Re: NASA admits that they cannot send crafts through the Van Allen Belts
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2015, 05:23:41 PM »
Nothing present in the video suggest people have never gone through the Van Allen Belt.

What? To land on the moon you have to go through the Van Allen belt. The NASA employee's testimony is abdunantly clear in the video: "we must solve these challenges before we send people through this region of space."

Uh, shouldn't they have already "solved these challenges" in 1969 when they supposedly sent people through the belt?
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Re: NASA admits that they cannot send crafts through the Van Allen Belts
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2015, 05:30:08 PM »
The reason that Orion is being tested is so the engineers can be sure they designed it right, they are testing the radiation shielding because the engineers might have accidentally done something wrong and they want to make sure that they catch any mistakes they might have made in designing and building Orion before it caries people.  The same kind of testing happened with Apollo space crafts, that's why it took 10 test missions before Apollo 11 was sent to actually land on the Moon.
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Re: NASA admits that they cannot send crafts through the Van Allen Belts
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2015, 05:32:51 PM »
The reason that Orion is being tested is so the engineers can be sure they designed it right, they are testing the radiation shielding because the engineers might have accidentally done something wrong and they want to make sure that they catch any mistakes they might have made in designing and building Orion before it caries people.  The same kind of testing happened with Apollo space crafts, that's why it took 10 test missions before Apollo 11 was sent to actually land on the Moon.

You'd figure they would already have the technology to shield Orion from the radiation (since they supposedly did just that in 1969), yet the video makes it clear that they are still trying to develop this technology for Orion. Why can't they just use the shielding that they used for Apollo? There is a very telling discrepancy here. You can hand wave it away but I think the implications are obvious.

"we must solve these challenges before we send people through this region of space."

This clearly implies that they have not solved the challenge of sending people through the Van Allen belts, and that they are still working on a solution. Yet they should have already solved this challenge since they had to send people through the Van Allen belts for the moon landing. This isn't hard to follow, guys.

Also note how the employee skips over an explanation on how they are going to shield Orion from the belt and goes straight into the landing sequence.
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mikeman7918

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Re: NASA admits that they cannot send crafts through the Van Allen Belts
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2015, 06:04:40 PM »
You'd figure they would already have the technology to shield Orion from the radiation (since they supposedly did just that in 1969), yet the video makes it clear that they are still trying to develop this technology for Orion. Why can't they just use the shielding that they used for Apollo? There is a very telling discrepancy here. You can hand wave it away but I think the implications are obvious.

"we must solve these challenges before we send people through this region of space."

This clearly implies that they have not solved the challenge of sending people through the Van Allen belts, and that they are still working on a solution. Yet they should have already solved this challenge since they had to send people through the Van Allen belts for the moon landing. This isn't hard to follow, guys.

The Apollo missions had to pass through the Van Allen belts twice, but the Orion is designed for longer missions where better radiation shielding would be required.  Radiation is only harmful if you are exposed to it for a long time, the more radiation there is the less time it takes to become dangerous.  How radiation works is the more of it you are exposed to the greater the risk, it's possible for a tiny bit will give you cancer or for a huge dose to be harmless, however that is very unlikely.  The Apollo missions didn't have to stay in the Van Allen belts for very long and so they didn't need very much radiation shielding, but the Orion is designed to stay in them for much longer and so it needs better shielding.

Also note how the employee skips over an explanation on how they are going to shield Orion from the belt and goes straight into the landing sequence.

Radiation shields are just high density walls which not much radiation can penetrate.  It's not rocket science.
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Re: NASA admits that they cannot send crafts through the Van Allen Belts
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2015, 09:05:38 PM »
Nasa, needs to be abolished.  So now, they are talking about sending people to Mars. Have you heard about that? 

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Re: NASA admits that they cannot send crafts through the Van Allen Belts
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2015, 09:33:39 PM »
Nasa, needs to be abolished.  So now, they are talking about sending people to Mars. Have you heard about that?

Yeah, with the SLS launch vehicle they are designing.  That's not planned to take place for over 20 years, so it's nothing to get exited about yet.
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Re: NASA admits that they cannot send crafts through the Van Allen Belts
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2015, 10:13:07 PM »

Radiation shields are just high density walls which not much radiation can penetrate.  It's not rocket science.

To add to this. The capsuals are designed so that the on board equipment forms part of that radiation shielding. It is really expensive to send unnecessary weight up there, so they use what they already have available. That is why so much radiation testing is required, to see if they got all the "gaps" with enough physical "stuff"

And radiation harms people based on quantity over time. Lots of time outside is as bad as very little time taking a chest xray. Commercial aircraft pilots actually have an increased change of getting cancer (up to 40%) due to time spent in upper atmosphere where there is less radiation shielding form the thick atmosphere lower on earth. Even more interesting, the dose of radiation does not really go down during night time, because most of our radiation we receive is from cosmic background radiation.

There is increased radiation out in space, but it is survivable provided there is enough shielding between you and it.
The Van Allen Belt is a a high radiation zone that has a thickness (based on the magnetic fields) and if you pass through quick enough then you should be okay, possibly even better off than a chest xray  :)