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Re: The Conclusive Categorical Conspiracy Compendium
« Reply #480 on: October 29, 2010, 10:15:17 AM »
Don't you think someone would notice ~~$15.7 million going to the top three NASA guys that should've gone to the actual space program?  That means not only would those three need to be involved (as well as countless others, really) but the people who do their finances.

Since no one can show that a conspiracy would not cost more than an actual space program, this is a moot point.
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Re: The Conclusive Categorical Conspiracy Compendium
« Reply #481 on: October 29, 2010, 03:17:13 PM »
Don't you think someone would notice ~~$15.7 million going to the top three NASA guys that should've gone to the actual space program?  That means not only would those three need to be involved (as well as countless others, really) but the people who do their finances.

Since no one can show that a conspiracy would not cost more than an actual space program, this is a moot point.

So it costs more to pretend to go into space than to actually go into space?  ???

Re: The Conclusive Categorical Conspiracy Compendium
« Reply #482 on: October 29, 2010, 03:31:50 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_astronauts_by_name
548 astronauts, 548,000,000 USD/year, and many more scientists. Now with space tourism, that is going to increase much more. a real spaceflight, is a 1 time cost of $1.7 billion.  (source:
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/kennedy/about/information/shuttle_faq.html#1 )
in just 4 years, a real spaceflight would cost less.

$548 million is just for the astronauts, faking Australia, guarding the ice wall, sky mirrors, programs to fake images, etc. all cost money.

so yes, it does cost more to fake a space flight than to actually have one.
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Re: The Conclusive Categorical Conspiracy Compendium
« Reply #483 on: October 29, 2010, 03:46:32 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_astronauts_by_name
548 astronauts, 548,000,000 USD/year, and many more scientists. Now with space tourism, that is going to increase much more. a real spaceflight, is a 1 time cost of $1.7 billion.  

I'm not sure how you arrived at your figure of a million a year. Seems arbitrary.


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$548 million is just for the astronauts, faking Australia, guarding the ice wall, sky mirrors, programs to fake images, etc. all cost money.

I don't think you'll find anyone who believes conspirators do anything on your list other than "programs to fake images".
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« Reply #484 on: October 29, 2010, 04:13:10 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_astronauts_by_name
548 astronauts, 548,000,000 USD/year, and many more scientists. Now with space tourism, that is going to increase much more. a real spaceflight, is a 1 time cost of $1.7 billion.  

I'm not sure how you arrived at your figure of a million a year. Seems arbitrary.


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$548 million is just for the astronauts, faking Australia, guarding the ice wall, sky mirrors, programs to fake images, etc. all cost money.

I don't think you'll find anyone who believes conspirators do anything on your list other than "programs to fake images".

1. OP: Basically, I'm going to assume that every single person on my list wants to get paid so that they won't talk about the conspiracy. They're going to want a lot of it, too, most likely. Probably enough so that they won't have to work for the rest of their lives? Well, how's about something like one million dollars per year, plus one million in advance. That's far better than most jobs can fetch, and all they have to do is shut up. Minus the top five or so, since they are the runners of the organization.

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FAQ:

Q: "Why has no one taken a photo of the Earth that proves it is flat?"

A: Only those connected to the Conspiracy have access to heights from which the shape of the Earth can be discerned.  Also, nobody has been to the edge of the Earth and lived; conditions on the Ice Wall get increasingly treacherous the further you get out, and navigation methods become unreliable that far south.  It is also possible that the Conspiracy is guarding the edge to prevent people from getting too close to the truth.

sky mirrors:
Feature: Lighting of the Earth
Evidence: Midnight Sun- around the NH winter solstice, antarctica gets 24 hours of light
Source: http://www.worsleyschool.net/science/files/antarctica/page.html
Explanation in RET: the Earth is tilted 23.5 degrees, so antarctica being south-most, points to the sun always
Why FET isnotdoinitrite: take two opposite points on antartica on the FET map. take the points on that diameter. how could the all the points near the circumference see light, but not all of the points on the diameter?
Yet again, you have linked to a website that agrees with you but that doesn't actually prove anything. And yet again, there are several theories of how this might be integrated into FET, including my Sky Mirror hypothesis and Wilmore's alternative FE map.

australia:
Australia is a lie perpetuated by the conspiracy. It is in fact part of Africa.
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Re: The Conclusive Categorical Conspiracy Compendium
« Reply #485 on: October 29, 2010, 04:34:32 PM »
1. OP: Basically, I'm going to assume that every single person on my list wants to get paid so that they won't talk about the conspiracy. They're going to want a lot of it, too, most likely. Probably enough so that they won't have to work for the rest of their lives? Well, how's about something like one million dollars per year, plus one million in advance. That's far better than most jobs can fetch, and all they have to do is shut up. Minus the top five or so, since they are the runners of the organization.

Since we're all assuming, I'm going to assume if I give you one or two million dollars in exchange for your integrity and promise you more to come, I can later keep you silent by threatening you and/or your family.


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FAQ:

Q: "Why has no one taken a photo of the Earth that proves it is flat?"

A: ...  It is also possible that the Conspiracy is guarding the edge to prevent people from getting too close to the truth.

Also from the FAQ: "But even so there's no reason to assume the Ice Wall is guarded"


Sky mirrors (atleast as you are postulating) and Australia not existing are laughable and untenable beliefs held by noone on the forum.
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Re: The Conclusive Categorical Conspiracy Compendium
« Reply #486 on: October 29, 2010, 04:39:37 PM »
So it costs more to pretend to go into space than to actually go into space?  ??? 

Well, there are all those outer space sets that you have to build.  Camera crews, lighting, etc.  Have you seen the budgets of modern scifi movies lately?  Who says that CGI is making movies less expensive to make?
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Re: The Conclusive Categorical Conspiracy Compendium
« Reply #487 on: October 29, 2010, 05:26:27 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_astronauts_by_name
548 astronauts, 548,000,000 USD/year, and many more scientists. Now with space tourism, that is going to increase much more. a real spaceflight, is a 1 time cost of $1.7 billion.  (source:
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/kennedy/about/information/shuttle_faq.html#1 )
in just 4 years, a real spaceflight would cost less.

$548 million is just for the astronauts, faking Australia, guarding the ice wall, sky mirrors, programs to fake images, etc. all cost money.

so yes, it does cost more to fake a space flight than to actually have one.

Not to mention the costs of actually doing the observable day-to-day operations that we can observe NASA doing, along with actually launching fake spaceships all the time.
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Re: The Conclusive Categorical Conspiracy Compendium
« Reply #488 on: October 29, 2010, 05:28:38 PM »
Sky mirrors (atleast as you are postulating) and Australia not existing are laughable and untenable beliefs held by noone on the forum.


Perhaps you should tell that to the people on the forum who have repeatedly claimed those things.
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Re: The Conclusive Categorical Conspiracy Compendium
« Reply #489 on: October 29, 2010, 05:58:16 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_astronauts_by_name
548 astronauts, 548,000,000 USD/year, and many more scientists. Now with space tourism, that is going to increase much more. a real spaceflight, is a 1 time cost of $1.7 billion.  (source:
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/kennedy/about/information/shuttle_faq.html#1 )
in just 4 years, a real spaceflight would cost less.

$548 million is just for the astronauts, faking Australia, guarding the ice wall, sky mirrors, programs to fake images, etc. all cost money.

so yes, it does cost more to fake a space flight than to actually have one.

Not to mention the costs of actually doing the observable day-to-day operations that we can observe NASA doing, along with actually launching fake spaceships all the time.

An even bigger problem that mounts on top of that is the engineers and scientists making the "fake spaceships".  If they're not in on the conspiracy, they'll think that they're supposed to make real ones and thus will demand real materials and funding to actually build a spaceship, not a plastic one.  Therefore, the conspirators would have to spend money on that, aka they'd have to buy the materials needed to build a REAL spaceship...to build a fake one.  Therefore, the entire point of the conspiracy would be moot.

If the scientists and engineers are in on it, then that's several thousand more people they'd have to bribe.

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Re: The Conclusive Categorical Conspiracy Compendium
« Reply #490 on: October 29, 2010, 06:02:37 PM »
There's also the scientists creating plausible fake data which is supposed to come from satellite telescopes and space stations and feeding it to the "real" scientists.
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Re: The Conclusive Categorical Conspiracy Compendium
« Reply #491 on: October 29, 2010, 09:10:25 PM »
Sky mirrors (atleast as you are postulating) and Australia not existing are laughable and untenable beliefs held by noone on the forum.


Perhaps you should tell that to the people on the forum who have repeatedly claimed those things.

What, you mean the trolls?  That has been said to them many times, but direct confrontations have never stopped trolling on this site before, and I doubt they're going to now.  There's only one way to kill a troll, and the only person who has the power to make it happen is the person who's currently feeding the troll.

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« Reply #492 on: October 29, 2010, 10:41:26 PM »
Sky mirrors (atleast as you are postulating) and Australia not existing are laughable and untenable beliefs held by noone on the forum.


Perhaps you should tell that to the people on the forum who have repeatedly claimed those things.

What, you mean the trolls?  That has been said to them many times, but direct confrontations have never stopped trolling on this site before, and I doubt they're going to now.  There's only one way to kill a troll, and the only person who has the power to make it happen is the person who's currently feeding the troll.

Moderators could help, but they choose to allow (some might say encourage) such behavior.
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Re: The Conclusive Categorical Conspiracy Compendium
« Reply #493 on: November 04, 2010, 06:53:34 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_astronauts_by_name
548 astronauts, 548,000,000 USD/year, and many more scientists. Now with space tourism, that is going to increase much more. a real spaceflight, is a 1 time cost of $1.7 billion.  

I'm not sure how you arrived at your figure of a million a year. Seems arbitrary.


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$548 million is just for the astronauts, faking Australia, guarding the ice wall, sky mirrors, programs to fake images, etc. all cost money.

I don't think you'll find anyone who believes conspirators do anything on your list other than "programs to fake images".

1. OP: Basically, I'm going to assume that every single person on my list wants to get paid so that they won't talk about the conspiracy. They're going to want a lot of it, too, most likely. Probably enough so that they won't have to work for the rest of their lives? Well, how's about something like one million dollars per year, plus one million in advance. That's far better than most jobs can fetch, and all they have to do is shut up. Minus the top five or so, since they are the runners of the organization.

Or hows about "we'll kill your family in front of you and torture you until death if you talk; if you don't you'll live comfortably."

You seem to think that if there is a conspiracy they are hiring on Monster.com.  Those that would be in the conspiracy are there because they either want to be or have no option.
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Re: The Conclusive Categorical Conspiracy Compendium
« Reply #494 on: November 04, 2010, 07:16:24 PM »
Or hows about "we'll kill your family in front of you and torture you until death if you talk; if you don't you'll live comfortably."

Do you have any evidence to support this statement or is it just speculation?
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Re: The Conclusive Categorical Conspiracy Compendium
« Reply #495 on: November 05, 2010, 09:54:24 AM »
To think that everyone in on the Conspiracy, whether threatened or bribed, would stay silent about the manner is ignorant.  No half-decent conspiracy covering up the true shape of the Earth would rely on threatened and bribed people to hold their lies together.

Re: The Conclusive Categorical Conspiracy Compendium
« Reply #496 on: November 05, 2010, 02:32:48 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_astronauts_by_name
548 astronauts, 548,000,000 USD/year, and many more scientists. Now with space tourism, that is going to increase much more. a real spaceflight, is a 1 time cost of $1.7 billion.  

I'm not sure how you arrived at your figure of a million a year. Seems arbitrary.


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$548 million is just for the astronauts, faking Australia, guarding the ice wall, sky mirrors, programs to fake images, etc. all cost money.

I don't think you'll find anyone who believes conspirators do anything on your list other than "programs to fake images".

1. OP: Basically, I'm going to assume that every single person on my list wants to get paid so that they won't talk about the conspiracy. They're going to want a lot of it, too, most likely. Probably enough so that they won't have to work for the rest of their lives? Well, how's about something like one million dollars per year, plus one million in advance. That's far better than most jobs can fetch, and all they have to do is shut up. Minus the top five or so, since they are the runners of the organization.

Or hows about "we'll kill your family in front of you and torture you until death if you talk; if you don't you'll live comfortably."

You seem to think that if there is a conspiracy they are hiring on Monster.com.  Those that would be in the conspiracy are there because they either want to be or have no option.
so there are five hundred astronauts all being threatened? they would all rebel.
Also, in Thomas Baron's case, the police ruled it as a suicide, why not a murder? if he really was murdered, the police's investigations would reveal this.
Unless the police and detectives are also in the conspiracy. The police have guns, and at least some would kill the top conspirators for threatening them.
You also have to prove that the conspiracy threatens people.
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Re: The Conclusive Categorical Conspiracy Compendium
« Reply #497 on: November 06, 2010, 09:00:58 AM »
Don't you think someone would notice ~~$15.7 million going to the top three NASA guys that should've gone to the actual space program?  That means not only would those three need to be involved (as well as countless others, really) but the people who do their finances.

Since no one can show that a conspiracy would not cost more than an actual space program, this is a moot point.

So it costs more to pretend to go into space than to actually go into space?  ???

Depends on the context. If you mean to aid the conspiracy - yes. If you to take into account that almost everything you would need to actually go in space is still needed to fake it. Hell, it would even cost more considering you need to keep the 'truth' under wraps through the usage of intimidation, bribes, and other expenses. Not to mention the outrageous amounts of money they would need to hand out to make sure not a single one of their workers is actually willing to prove the existance of the conspiracy by providing proof. 
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« Reply #498 on: November 07, 2010, 11:53:19 AM »
Why can't I find any mention of the Ariane Rocket or of the European Space Agency on this Forum...

Are the Governments of 10 European Countries, and the civilian companies that have payloads launched by Ariane, in the Conspiracy too ??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariane_%28rocket_family%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Space_Agency

Or are these companies being lied to, that they have functioning satellites in orbit ....


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« Reply #499 on: November 20, 2010, 01:18:01 PM »
Ok, I don't have the energy to read the entire 25-pages tread. I just wonder:

The conspiracy couldn't work if not most people believed that the earth is round. How did most people come to believe that?

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« Reply #500 on: November 22, 2010, 09:31:15 AM »
Ok, I don't have the energy to read the entire 25-pages tread. I just wonder:

The conspiracy couldn't work if not most people believed that the earth is round. How did most people come to believe that?

I imagine all the facts and repeatable observations in RET convinced most people that the Earth is round.

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« Reply #501 on: November 23, 2010, 10:18:32 AM »
Ok, I don't have the energy to read the entire 25-pages tread. I just wonder:

The conspiracy couldn't work if not most people believed that the earth is round. How did most people come to believe that?

I imagine all the facts and repeatable observations in RET convinced most people that the Earth is round.
This is likely part of the issue.  The RE model is quite robust in its predictive abilities.  However, prediction does not imply truth, as can be evidence time and time again even within science and the foundations of science.
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« Reply #502 on: November 29, 2010, 10:03:07 AM »
Ok, I don't have the energy to read the entire 25-pages tread. I just wonder:

The conspiracy couldn't work if not most people believed that the earth is round. How did most people come to believe that?

I imagine all the facts and repeatable observations in RET convinced most people that the Earth is round.
This is likely part of the issue.  The RE model is quite robust in its predictive abilities.  However, prediction does not imply truth, as can be evidence time and time again even within science and the foundations of science.
Of course not.  But most people are surely more likely to follow a theory which they can recreate themselves, and ultimately reproduce the same results as everyone else.  Hence RET's mass following.

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« Reply #503 on: November 29, 2010, 01:26:24 PM »
The RE model is quite robust in its predictive abilities.  However, prediction does not imply truth, as can be evidence time and time again even within science and the foundations of science.

However, accurate predictions are usually a pretty good sign that you're on the right track.
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« Reply #504 on: March 08, 2011, 03:01:47 PM »
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Gravity makes perfect sense, and all the numbers fit.

Uh, oh, you said the magic phrase.  

Gravity makes perfect sense?  Can you explain what gravity is?  I would like to know how this magical 'force' works.

I cannot into quantum phisics.


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« Reply #505 on: March 08, 2011, 07:04:57 PM »
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Gravity makes perfect sense, and all the numbers fit.

Uh, oh, you said the magic phrase.  

Gravity makes perfect sense?  Can you explain what gravity is?  I would like to know how this magical 'force' works.

I cannot into quantum phisics.

Please do not bump a thread unless you have something productive to add to the discussion.
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« Reply #506 on: March 10, 2011, 06:17:08 PM »
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Gravity makes perfect sense, and all the numbers fit.

Uh, oh, you said the magic phrase.  

Gravity makes perfect sense?  Can you explain what gravity is?  I would like to know how this magical 'force' works.

I cannot into quantum phisics.

Please do not bump a thread unless you have something productive to add to the discussion.
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« Reply #507 on: March 10, 2011, 07:48:45 PM »
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Gravity makes perfect sense, and all the numbers fit.

Uh, oh, you said the magic phrase.  

Gravity makes perfect sense?  Can you explain what gravity is?  I would like to know how this magical 'force' works.

I cannot into quantum phisics.

Please do not bump a thread unless you have something productive to add to the discussion.

hoppy, consider this a warning.  Any more shenanigans and it's a ban.
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« Reply #508 on: March 11, 2011, 07:25:34 AM »
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Gravity makes perfect sense, and all the numbers fit.

Uh, oh, you said the magic phrase.  

Gravity makes perfect sense?  Can you explain what gravity is?  I would like to know how this magical 'force' works.

I cannot into quantum phisics.

Please do not bump a thread unless you have something productive to add to the discussion.

hoppy, consider this a warning.  Any more shenanigans and it's a ban.
  Please do not threaten me.. I plan to post startling new evidence within the next 2 weeks. It will be conclusive evidence for either RE or FE. Hopefully the ban will be over by then.
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« Reply #509 on: June 24, 2011, 06:49:15 AM »
I was reading the first post of this topic and I could not believe what I read...

You seriously think the top 3 people of NASA can just steal those millions? There is a reason they get a lot of money from the US Government, because they spend it! Millions go to the salaries of engineers, the costs of materials, fuel etc. How would they fake that?

I am currently studying to become an aerospace engineer, and I can tell you that there is no way that all the engineers and scientists from NASA can be fooled by computer simulated images made by 6 (!!!) people. Sure the general public can be fooled by them, there are enough idiots on this earth (Google: Creationism), but to think that every scientist on the earth is either in on the conspiracy or unaware of the fact that the earth is flat is preposterous. You don't seriously think that do you?