Why haven't we EVER seen a picture of Eclipses FROM SPACE?

.. The space launches all curve instead of going straight up.. LOl

I have noticed this. Why don't they go straight up?

Quote from: texasusaguy on April 01, 2015, 12:33:22 AM

.. The space launches all curve instead of going straight up.. LOl

I have noticed this. Why don't they go straight up?

It would just fall back down if it went straight up. Orbiting requires lateral velocity.

Quote from: texasusaguy on April 01, 2015, 12:33:22 AM

.. The space launches all curve instead of going straight up.. LOl

I have noticed this. Why don't they go straight up?

OMG, ROCKETS FLY UP IN A CURVED WAY, NOT STRAIGHT, THAT MUST MEAN THE EARTH IS FLAT!!!
Seriously - that's because "curved" way is:
a) easier,
b) they are preparing to enter the apoapsis and then stretch the orbit,
c) as neimoka said.

Do you really people on this board are dumb enough to actually believe obvious fake looking still pictures from NASA... Sad to such obvious fakery... No videos... No evidence of the space station...Never can be photographed from Earth.. The space launches all curve instead of going straight up.. LOl such an obvious scam.. Sorry but we don't accept lies here

The point of this thread is to say that the lack of eclipse pictures from space somehow proves flat Earth, and I have just provided you with s picture of a solar eclipse from space.  Weather it's fake or not, it means that your notion is wrong.  If you want a video then I could get you one if those too, it's not too hard to find such things.

Quote from: texasusaguy on April 01, 2015, 12:33:22 AM

.. The space launches all curve instead of going straight up.. LOl

I have noticed this. Why don't they go straight up?

Yeah.  Rockets can't get into orbit if they are not going 17,000 miles per hour, how else do you thing they get that get that speed?

Quote from: tappet on April 01, 2015, 03:16:22 AM

Quote from: texasusaguy on April 01, 2015, 12:33:22 AM

.. The space launches all curve instead of going straight up.. LOl

I have noticed this. Why don't they go straight up?

It would just fall back down if it went straight up. Orbiting requires lateral velocity.

So rockets cannot go straight up or they will fall back down?
Then sending a rocket to the moon means pointing it in the opposite direction so it will curve around to hit the moon. Okay, got it.

So rockets cannot go straight up or they will fall back down?

Yes.  If you don't believe me, throw a ball up in the air and see what it does.  It needs to be going 17,000 miles per hour to orbit the Earth and how do you think it does that?  Hint: it's not by going strait up.

Then sending a rocket to the moon means pointing it in the opposite direction so it will curve around to hit the moon. Okay, got it.

Actually you aim in the general direction of the Moon and then a few days later both you and the Moon would be in the same place.  There is a lot of complex math involved but that's it in a nutshell.  If you were orbiting backwards then you would have to accelerate away from the Moin initially to go there because there is this thing called gravity that causes ships to not travel in a strait line.  I suggest you read up on orbital mechanics, you clearly don't know anything about it.

Quote from: neimoka on April 01, 2015, 04:12:44 AM

Quote from: tappet on April 01, 2015, 03:16:22 AM

Quote from: texasusaguy on April 01, 2015, 12:33:22 AM

.. The space launches all curve instead of going straight up.. LOl

I have noticed this. Why don't they go straight up?

It would just fall back down if it went straight up. Orbiting requires lateral velocity.

So rockets cannot go straight up or they will fall back down?

Correct, unless the craft exceeds escape velocity. Either way, lateral velocity is required to achieve a useful orbit.

Then sending a rocket to the moon means pointing it in the opposite direction so it will curve around to hit the moon. Okay, got it.

No you didn't.

A rocket just going straight up would be very inefficient. It can do it, but not without running out of fuel first. It has to do that (gravity) turn so that it picks enough horizontal speed to orbit.

(and about that rocket just going straight up, it still cant get you into an orbit, only out of earth's sphere of influence. And by the way, I dont think we have any rockets that have enough fuel to do something like that.)

(and about that rocket just going straight up, it still cant get you into an orbit, only out of earth's sphere of influence. And by the way, I dont think we have any rockets that have enough fuel to do something like that.)

Pioneer, voyager..

Yes.  If you don't believe me, throw a ball up in the air and see what it does. 

I threw a ball straight up and it came back down and hit me on the head.
Is there anything in particular I should have noticed?

Quote from: mikeman7918 on April 01, 2015, 01:46:07 PM

Yes.  If you don't believe me, throw a ball up in the air and see what it does. 

I threw a ball straight up and it came back down and hit me on the head.
Is there anything in particular I should have noticed?

Good! Next you can try throwing it up even harder; does it behave the same? What if you threw it up *really* fast, so it went say 100km up, would it behave any different?

Once the above is established, we can move on to throwing the ball horizontally.

Quote from: tappet on April 02, 2015, 01:10:23 AM

Quote from: mikeman7918 on April 01, 2015, 01:46:07 PM

Yes.  If you don't believe me, throw a ball up in the air and see what it does. 

I threw a ball straight up and it came back down and hit me on the head.
Is there anything in particular I should have noticed?

Good! Next you can try throwing it up even harder; does it behave the same? What if you threw it up *really* fast, so it went say 100km up, would it behave any different?

Once the above is established, we can move on to throwing the ball horizontally.

How does throwing a ball have anything to do with a rocket going into space?

Quote from: neimoka on April 02, 2015, 01:24:49 AM

Quote from: tappet on April 02, 2015, 01:10:23 AM

Quote from: mikeman7918 on April 01, 2015, 01:46:07 PM

Yes.  If you don't believe me, throw a ball up in the air and see what it does. 

I threw a ball straight up and it came back down and hit me on the head.
Is there anything in particular I should have noticed?

Good! Next you can try throwing it up even harder; does it behave the same? What if you threw it up *really* fast, so it went say 100km up, would it behave any different?

Once the above is established, we can move on to throwing the ball horizontally.

How does throwing a ball have anything to do with a rocket going into space?

Principle applies, whether you throw a ball or fire a rocket and throwing a ball gives us an analogy that anyone can try effortlessly at no cost. Did you figure out the above scenarios?

Quote from: tappet on April 02, 2015, 01:38:53 AM

Quote from: neimoka on April 02, 2015, 01:24:49 AM

Quote from: tappet on April 02, 2015, 01:10:23 AM

Quote from: mikeman7918 on April 01, 2015, 01:46:07 PM

Yes.  If you don't believe me, throw a ball up in the air and see what it does. 

I threw a ball straight up and it came back down and hit me on the head.
Is there anything in particular I should have noticed?

Good! Next you can try throwing it up even harder; does it behave the same? What if you threw it up *really* fast, so it went say 100km up, would it behave any different?

Once the above is established, we can move on to throwing the ball horizontally.

How does throwing a ball have anything to do with a rocket going into space?

Principle applies, whether you throw a ball or fire a rocket and throwing a ball gives us an analogy that anyone can try effortlessly at no cost. Did you figure out the above scenarios?

Ball earth analogy maybe, in real life a ball is different than a rocket.
If you are taught that the ball is the same as the rocket and believe it, you will miss something of importance.

Fine, keep thinking that rockets should go straight up. It's wrong, but suit your self, you don't want to learn then there's nothing anyone can do about your ignorance. FE ftw, yay.

Fine, keep thinking that rockets should go straight up. It's wrong, but suit your self, you don't want to learn then there's nothing anyone can do about your ignorance. FE ftw, yay.

They go straight up, get to a point where they cannot go any higher, curve and come back down.
You can see this in your videos.
You guys make up funny stories for what is actually going on.
That's about it.

Quote from: neimoka on April 02, 2015, 03:12:54 AM

Fine, keep thinking that rockets should go straight up. It's wrong, but suit your self, you don't want to learn then there's nothing anyone can do about your ignorance. FE ftw, yay.

They go straight up, get to a point where they cannot go any higher, curve and come back down.
You can see this in your videos.
You guys make up funny stories for what is actually going on.
That's about it.

In what "my video" a space rocket goes straight up and etc? Lie moar.

Quote from: neimoka on April 02, 2015, 03:12:54 AM

Fine, keep thinking that rockets should go straight up. It's wrong, but suit your self, you don't want to learn then there's nothing anyone can do about your ignorance. FE ftw, yay.

They go straight up, get to a point where they cannot go any higher, curve and come back down.
You can see this in your videos.
You guys make up funny stories for what is actually going on.
That's about it.

The point is, if you go high enough, and travel fast enough, you still curve back down to earth but you constantly fall over the horizon, so you never reach reach the ground. That's called "orbit".

Quote from: tappet on April 02, 2015, 03:35:25 AM

Quote from: neimoka on April 02, 2015, 03:12:54 AM

Fine, keep thinking that rockets should go straight up. It's wrong, but suit your self, you don't want to learn then there's nothing anyone can do about your ignorance. FE ftw, yay.

They go straight up, get to a point where they cannot go any higher, curve and come back down.
You can see this in your videos.
You guys make up funny stories for what is actually going on.
That's about it.

In what "my video" a space rocket goes straight up and etc? Lie moar.

Oh you caught me lying, how about ball earth videos then.
Feel better?

Quote from: tappet on April 02, 2015, 03:35:25 AM

Quote from: neimoka on April 02, 2015, 03:12:54 AM

Fine, keep thinking that rockets should go straight up. It's wrong, but suit your self, you don't want to learn then there's nothing anyone can do about your ignorance. FE ftw, yay.

They go straight up, get to a point where they cannot go any higher, curve and come back down.
You can see this in your videos.
You guys make up funny stories for what is actually going on.
That's about it.

The point is, if you go high enough, and travel fast enough, you still curve back down to earth but you constantly fall over the horizon, so you never reach reach the ground. That's called "orbit".

If you go high enough and fast enough you should never fall over any horizon. You should go up until you disappear from sight.

Quote from: Weatherwax on April 02, 2015, 03:53:39 AM

Quote from: tappet on April 02, 2015, 03:35:25 AM

Quote from: neimoka on April 02, 2015, 03:12:54 AM

Fine, keep thinking that rockets should go straight up. It's wrong, but suit your self, you don't want to learn then there's nothing anyone can do about your ignorance. FE ftw, yay.

They go straight up, get to a point where they cannot go any higher, curve and come back down.
You can see this in your videos.
You guys make up funny stories for what is actually going on.
That's about it.

The point is, if you go high enough, and travel fast enough, you still curve back down to earth but you constantly fall over the horizon, so you never reach reach the ground. That's called "orbit".

If you go high enough and fast enough you should never fall over any horizon. You should go up until you disappear from sight.

He means high enough and then fast enough in the horizontal direction.

Quote from: mrparty on April 01, 2015, 11:30:56 PM

(and about that rocket just going straight up, it still cant get you into an orbit, only out of earth's sphere of influence. And by the way, I dont think we have any rockets that have enough fuel to do something like that.)

Pioneer, voyager..

Well, I meant manned spacecraft. And pioneer and voyager still got into orbit around earth before they shot out into space, didn't they?

Quote from: neimoka on April 01, 2015, 11:54:32 PM

Quote from: mrparty on April 01, 2015, 11:30:56 PM

(and about that rocket just going straight up, it still cant get you into an orbit, only out of earth's sphere of influence. And by the way, I dont think we have any rockets that have enough fuel to do something like that.)

Pioneer, voyager..

Well, I meant manned spacecraft. And pioneer and voyager still got into orbit around earth before they shot out into space, didn't they?

Yes, they did. Flying straight up even if would be so possible, would be uneffective as hell.

If you go high enough and fast enough you should never fall over any horizon. You should go up until you disappear from sight.

But the Earth is round and gravity effects rockets, so orbiting space ships disappear below the horizon.  I recommend you do some research on the Newton's cannon thought experiment.

Quote from: tappet on April 02, 2015, 04:05:37 AM

If you go high enough and fast enough you should never fall over any horizon. You should go up until you disappear from sight.

But the Earth is round and gravity effects rockets, so orbiting space ships disappear below the horizon.  I recommend you do some research on the Newton's cannon thought experiment.

So if the rocket goes straight up wouldn't your gravity get weaker as it ascends. Making it easier the higher it gets. Or does gravity get stronger the higher you go?
Flying horizontally would mean fighting gravity much longer, thus using way more fuel.

Quote from: mikeman7918 on April 02, 2015, 12:57:48 PM

Quote from: tappet on April 02, 2015, 04:05:37 AM

If you go high enough and fast enough you should never fall over any horizon. You should go up until you disappear from sight.

But the Earth is round and gravity effects rockets, so orbiting space ships disappear below the horizon.  I recommend you do some research on the Newton's cannon thought experiment.

So if the rocket goes straight up wouldn't your gravity get weaker as it ascends. Making it easier the higher it gets. Or does gravity get stronger the higher you go?
Flying horizontally would mean fighting gravity much longer, thus using way more fuel.

Well from what I understand, you would have to go high enough to leave the planet's sphere of influence, which is very inneficient.

Gravity would be affecting the vertical velocity of the spacecraft more than the horizontal velocity, it would restrict vertical flight speed more than horizontal flight speed. Similar reason to why planes cant fly straight up but they can fly horizontally (I know there is lift involved with planes, but you get the idea). And rockets must make this "pitchover" maneuver so early because that is when there speed is low, so there wont be much aerodynamic stress on it.

This is a simple reason as to why the pitchover is more efficient than going straight up (And also the fastest way to orbit).

Quote from: tappet on April 02, 2015, 03:34:10 PM

Quote from: mikeman7918 on April 02, 2015, 12:57:48 PM

Quote from: tappet on April 02, 2015, 04:05:37 AM

If you go high enough and fast enough you should never fall over any horizon. You should go up until you disappear from sight.

But the Earth is round and gravity effects rockets, so orbiting space ships disappear below the horizon.  I recommend you do some research on the Newton's cannon thought experiment.

So if the rocket goes straight up wouldn't your gravity get weaker as it ascends. Making it easier the higher it gets. Or does gravity get stronger the higher you go?
Flying horizontally would mean fighting gravity much longer, thus using way more fuel.

Well from what I understand, you would have to go high enough to leave the planet's sphere of influence, which is very inneficient.

Gravity would be affecting the vertical velocity of the spacecraft more than the horizontal velocity, it would restrict vertical flight speed more than horizontal flight speed. Similar reason to why planes cant fly straight up but they can fly horizontally (I know there is lift involved with planes, but you get the idea). And rockets must make this "pitchover" maneuver so early because that is when there speed is low, so there wont be much aerodynamic stress on it.

This is a simple reason as to why the pitchover is more efficient than going straight up (And also the fastest way to orbit).

I could not really grasp what you are saying here.
Why is it a plane can fly thousands of kilometres low to the ground closer to your magnetic core, thus stronger gravity.
And a rocket is so piss weak it can not even go straight up. You would think every meter it goes up gravity would get weaker.
You guys are making out gravity gets stronger the higher you go.

no we are not.  It just doesn't drop off as quickly as you want to infer.  The astronauts in orbit would feel almost the same gravity as you do on the surface of the Earth if they were stationary and not orbiting.  They float and feel no gravity because they are falling around the Earth. 
Also the airplane isn't directly fighting against gravity like the rocket is.  The airplane is basically flating on air pressure sue to the shape of the wings that disturbs the air enough and in the right way to create a lot of lower pressure above the wing than below the wing.  Well its more like surfing really.

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Quote from: mrparty on April 02, 2015, 04:51:43 PM

Quote from: tappet on April 02, 2015, 03:34:10 PM

Quote from: mikeman7918 on April 02, 2015, 12:57:48 PM

Quote from: tappet on April 02, 2015, 04:05:37 AM

If you go high enough and fast enough you should never fall over any horizon. You should go up until you disappear from sight.

But the Earth is round and gravity effects rockets, so orbiting space ships disappear below the horizon.  I recommend you do some research on the Newton's cannon thought experiment.

So if the rocket goes straight up wouldn't your gravity get weaker as it ascends. Making it easier the higher it gets. Or does gravity get stronger the higher you go?
Flying horizontally would mean fighting gravity much longer, thus using way more fuel.

Well from what I understand, you would have to go high enough to leave the planet's sphere of influence, which is very inneficient.

Gravity would be affecting the vertical velocity of the spacecraft more than the horizontal velocity, it would restrict vertical flight speed more than horizontal flight speed. Similar reason to why planes cant fly straight up but they can fly horizontally (I know there is lift involved with planes, but you get the idea). And rockets must make this "pitchover" maneuver so early because that is when there speed is low, so there wont be much aerodynamic stress on it.

This is a simple reason as to why the pitchover is more efficient than going straight up (And also the fastest way to orbit).

I could not really grasp what you are saying here.
Why is it a plane can fly thousands of kilometres low to the ground closer to your magnetic core, thus stronger gravity.
And a rocket is so piss weak it can not even go straight up. You would think every meter it goes up gravity would get weaker.
You guys are making out gravity gets stronger the higher you go.

The plane thing was just an analagy. And rockets are powerful enough to just go straight up, but that would waste a lot of fuel. Gravity limits the vertical speed much more, because the rocket is going completely against it. If we turn the rocket, however, there is still enough thrust to counteract gravity while at the same time you can build up speed in the horizontal. It is the fastest and most efficient way to orbit.

And no, to my knowledge, gravity does not get stronger the higher you go. The problem with going straight up is that the force of gravity doesnt drop off as quickly as you think. Remember: the moon, 239,000 miles up, is still affected by earths gravity enough that it remains in a stable orbit. This would mean that a rocket would still have to go far past the moon to escape Earth's gravity.