The Earth Is NOT Flat!

Quote from: sevenhills on March 01, 2015, 11:02:59 AM

Its lighter by cubic area, not molecule for molecule.

That's why warm air rises - even in a house the effect of rising warm air / falling cold air can be felt (its also what makes the weather)

appeal to whatever magic you want, you don't get to defy the laws of physics. how can something be lighter when it's heavier?

Did you do physics and chemistry at school?

Quote from: neimoka on March 01, 2015, 08:32:47 AM

Quote from: JRoweSkeptic on March 01, 2015, 06:31:25 AM

Quote from: neimoka on March 01, 2015, 06:27:59 AM

Quote from: JRoweSkeptic on March 01, 2015, 06:02:17 AM

that's texture. lights have texture too, if the bulb isn't smooth. you get the same effect.
the tarmac can never be as bright as the room. black rock is not going to be as bright as an illuminating object.

I'd love to see this 'texture' being recreated. Since it's so simple and you know how it really works then a demonstration shouldn't be a problem, right?

Your claim that the rocky moon can't be as bright as it is, is immediately refuted by a light meter and an ordinary terrestrial rock (or even a piece of asphalt). You're simply wrong on this. Why aren't any of your fe claims based on anything but your own baseless speculation?

of course it's simple, i just don't feel like wrecking a light bulb or heating a metal until it's white hot. it is obvious that when the source is not perfectly flat, you will see chips. there may also be some chips of rock from the outside of the moon, over the metal face that faces us. think of it as a spotlight. the outside is rock, the center heated white hot by friction with the aether.

my statements are made on my own observations and examinations, because i am not in this for money, like scientists.

Such as your own examinations and observations of aether?

Perhaps you do not realize that a sunlit rock is, well, just that. A light meter tells us how bright the moon is. A rock on the ground in sunlight is about as bright. Once again what you are presenting is baseless speculation and that's being generous.

i have offered many examinations of aether. it refracts light in the same way as light going from 'air' to water does, it accelerates the earth upwards... just because you have bs notions of these things does not mean you get to ignore these traits. i do not have the equipment to give you a detailed breakdown, just like you don't have the equipment to test half of what you say, you just quote scientists.

a rock on the ground in sunlight does not glow in the dark. the end. you're making yourself look like a fool now.

Who's saying that rocks glow in the dark? No one but you. Rocks reflect light. Rocks on the ground reflect sunlight, with about the same surface brightness as the moon. Your claim was that no rock can be as bright as the moon. You are wrong about that. I'm not 'quoting scientist' about this, stop projecting yourself on me, you're the 'zetetic' who like to use youtube videos as proof, not me.

Quote from: sevenhills on March 01, 2015, 11:02:59 AM

Its lighter by cubic area, not molecule for molecule.

That's why warm air rises - even in a house the effect of rising warm air / falling cold air can be felt (its also what makes the weather)

appeal to whatever magic you want, you don't get to defy the laws of physics. how can something be lighter when it's heavier?

This guy seems to rival scepti. Well done.

Quote from: JRoweSkeptic on March 01, 2015, 09:07:01 AM

Quote from: neimoka on March 01, 2015, 08:32:47 AM

Quote from: JRoweSkeptic on March 01, 2015, 06:31:25 AM

Quote from: neimoka on March 01, 2015, 06:27:59 AM

Quote from: JRoweSkeptic on March 01, 2015, 06:02:17 AM

that's texture. lights have texture too, if the bulb isn't smooth. you get the same effect.
the tarmac can never be as bright as the room. black rock is not going to be as bright as an illuminating object.

I'd love to see this 'texture' being recreated. Since it's so simple and you know how it really works then a demonstration shouldn't be a problem, right?

Your claim that the rocky moon can't be as bright as it is, is immediately refuted by a light meter and an ordinary terrestrial rock (or even a piece of asphalt). You're simply wrong on this. Why aren't any of your fe claims based on anything but your own baseless speculation?

of course it's simple, i just don't feel like wrecking a light bulb or heating a metal until it's white hot. it is obvious that when the source is not perfectly flat, you will see chips. there may also be some chips of rock from the outside of the moon, over the metal face that faces us. think of it as a spotlight. the outside is rock, the center heated white hot by friction with the aether.

my statements are made on my own observations and examinations, because i am not in this for money, like scientists.

Such as your own examinations and observations of aether?

Perhaps you do not realize that a sunlit rock is, well, just that. A light meter tells us how bright the moon is. A rock on the ground in sunlight is about as bright. Once again what you are presenting is baseless speculation and that's being generous.

i have offered many examinations of aether. it refracts light in the same way as light going from 'air' to water does, it accelerates the earth upwards... just because you have bs notions of these things does not mean you get to ignore these traits. i do not have the equipment to give you a detailed breakdown, just like you don't have the equipment to test half of what you say, you just quote scientists.

a rock on the ground in sunlight does not glow in the dark. the end. you're making yourself look like a fool now.

Who's saying that rocks glow in the dark? No one but you. Rocks reflect light. Rocks on the ground reflect sunlight, with about the same surface brightness as the moon. Your claim was that no rock can be as bright as the moon. You are wrong about that. I'm not 'quoting scientist' about this, stop projecting yourself on me, you're the 'zetetic' who like to use youtube videos as proof, not me.

rocks do not reflect enough light to be visible in what is otherwise total darkness. until you can provide an example of that, i will stick to my statement.
i have never once used a youtube video as evidence.

rocks do not reflect enough light to be visible in what is otherwise total darkness. until you can provide an example of that, i will stick to my statement.

Shine. Flashlight on a rock in the dark. It will "glow" bright white.

Quote from: neimoka on March 01, 2015, 01:10:05 PM

Quote from: JRoweSkeptic on March 01, 2015, 09:07:01 AM

Quote from: neimoka on March 01, 2015, 08:32:47 AM

Quote from: JRoweSkeptic on March 01, 2015, 06:31:25 AM

Quote from: neimoka on March 01, 2015, 06:27:59 AM

Quote from: JRoweSkeptic on March 01, 2015, 06:02:17 AM

that's texture. lights have texture too, if the bulb isn't smooth. you get the same effect.
the tarmac can never be as bright as the room. black rock is not going to be as bright as an illuminating object.

I'd love to see this 'texture' being recreated. Since it's so simple and you know how it really works then a demonstration shouldn't be a problem, right?

Your claim that the rocky moon can't be as bright as it is, is immediately refuted by a light meter and an ordinary terrestrial rock (or even a piece of asphalt). You're simply wrong on this. Why aren't any of your fe claims based on anything but your own baseless speculation?

of course it's simple, i just don't feel like wrecking a light bulb or heating a metal until it's white hot. it is obvious that when the source is not perfectly flat, you will see chips. there may also be some chips of rock from the outside of the moon, over the metal face that faces us. think of it as a spotlight. the outside is rock, the center heated white hot by friction with the aether.

my statements are made on my own observations and examinations, because i am not in this for money, like scientists.

Such as your own examinations and observations of aether?

Perhaps you do not realize that a sunlit rock is, well, just that. A light meter tells us how bright the moon is. A rock on the ground in sunlight is about as bright. Once again what you are presenting is baseless speculation and that's being generous.

i have offered many examinations of aether. it refracts light in the same way as light going from 'air' to water does, it accelerates the earth upwards... just because you have bs notions of these things does not mean you get to ignore these traits. i do not have the equipment to give you a detailed breakdown, just like you don't have the equipment to test half of what you say, you just quote scientists.

a rock on the ground in sunlight does not glow in the dark. the end. you're making yourself look like a fool now.

Who's saying that rocks glow in the dark? No one but you. Rocks reflect light. Rocks on the ground reflect sunlight, with about the same surface brightness as the moon. Your claim was that no rock can be as bright as the moon. You are wrong about that. I'm not 'quoting scientist' about this, stop projecting yourself on me, you're the 'zetetic' who like to use youtube videos as proof, not me.

rocks do not reflect enough light to be visible in what is otherwise total darkness. until you can provide an example of that, i will stick to my statement.

In other words, you've made a blind assumption and decided to treat is as indisputable truth. Re: the bolded part, since rocks usually do not emit noticeable amounts of light on their own how do you reckon they are visible at all? They reflect light, be it from the sun or whatever source. If there is no light source shining on them then they are 'in total darkness' and not visible. There's an example for you of rocks reflecting sufficient amounts of light to make them visible.

i have never once used a youtube video as evidence.

What's this here http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=62909.msg1665188#msg1665188

Quote from: JRoweSkeptic on March 01, 2015, 01:17:53 PM

rocks do not reflect enough light to be visible in what is otherwise total darkness. until you can provide an example of that, i will stick to my statement.

Shine. Flashlight on a rock in the dark. It will "glow" bright white.

exactly this.

rocks do not reflect enough light to be visible in what is otherwise total darkness. until you can provide an example of that, i will stick to my statement.

Duh. Rocks wont reflect any light in total darkness because there's no light to reflect. That's why it's called total darkness.

We can see the part of the Moon lit up by the Sun even when the Sun's not visible from our part of the Earth the same way we can see things lit up by a streetlight even when you can't see the streetlight itself because something (like a house, or a tree) is in the way; the whole scene doesn't suddenly go dark the moment we step into a shadow. The Moon is a quarter million miles away; it can be dark where you are while Mr. Moon is still in direct sunlight.

Maybe why you're getting confused is because when it's dark your eyes are much more sensitive to light, so the same Moon that was barely visible in the day seems very bright at night.

i have never once used a youtube video as evidence.

Good thing; they're seldom to never very useful.

Quote from: JRoweSkeptic on March 01, 2015, 01:17:53 PM

Quote from: neimoka on March 01, 2015, 01:10:05 PM

Quote from: JRoweSkeptic on March 01, 2015, 09:07:01 AM

Quote from: neimoka on March 01, 2015, 08:32:47 AM

Quote from: JRoweSkeptic on March 01, 2015, 06:31:25 AM

Quote from: neimoka on March 01, 2015, 06:27:59 AM

Quote from: JRoweSkeptic on March 01, 2015, 06:02:17 AM

that's texture. lights have texture too, if the bulb isn't smooth. you get the same effect.
the tarmac can never be as bright as the room. black rock is not going to be as bright as an illuminating object.

I'd love to see this 'texture' being recreated. Since it's so simple and you know how it really works then a demonstration shouldn't be a problem, right?

Your claim that the rocky moon can't be as bright as it is, is immediately refuted by a light meter and an ordinary terrestrial rock (or even a piece of asphalt). You're simply wrong on this. Why aren't any of your fe claims based on anything but your own baseless speculation?

of course it's simple, i just don't feel like wrecking a light bulb or heating a metal until it's white hot. it is obvious that when the source is not perfectly flat, you will see chips. there may also be some chips of rock from the outside of the moon, over the metal face that faces us. think of it as a spotlight. the outside is rock, the center heated white hot by friction with the aether.

my statements are made on my own observations and examinations, because i am not in this for money, like scientists.

Such as your own examinations and observations of aether?

Perhaps you do not realize that a sunlit rock is, well, just that. A light meter tells us how bright the moon is. A rock on the ground in sunlight is about as bright. Once again what you are presenting is baseless speculation and that's being generous.

i have offered many examinations of aether. it refracts light in the same way as light going from 'air' to water does, it accelerates the earth upwards... just because you have bs notions of these things does not mean you get to ignore these traits. i do not have the equipment to give you a detailed breakdown, just like you don't have the equipment to test half of what you say, you just quote scientists.

a rock on the ground in sunlight does not glow in the dark. the end. you're making yourself look like a fool now.

Who's saying that rocks glow in the dark? No one but you. Rocks reflect light. Rocks on the ground reflect sunlight, with about the same surface brightness as the moon. Your claim was that no rock can be as bright as the moon. You are wrong about that. I'm not 'quoting scientist' about this, stop projecting yourself on me, you're the 'zetetic' who like to use youtube videos as proof, not me.

rocks do not reflect enough light to be visible in what is otherwise total darkness. until you can provide an example of that, i will stick to my statement.

In other words, you've made a blind assumption and decided to treat is as indisputable truth. Re: the bolded part, since rocks usually do not emit noticeable amounts of light on their own how do you reckon they are visible at all? They reflect light, be it from the sun or whatever source. If there is no light source shining on them then they are 'in total darkness' and not visible. There's an example for you of rocks reflecting sufficient amounts of light to make them visible.

Quote from: JRoweSkeptic on March 01, 2015, 01:17:53 PM

i have never once used a youtube video as evidence.

What's this here http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=62909.msg1665188#msg1665188

that's not me? thank you for confirming your intelligence level.

rocks reflect light, but only in light. shining a light on the moon isn't a valid comparison, as any real world examination will show. not only would there be more of a visible effect beyond just the moon (eg: why would nearby stars be visible when they aren't in daylight?) but it still would not be as bright.
please give an example of a common rock that white. it needs to be common for something that size. is the moon made of chalk?

Quote from: neimoka on March 01, 2015, 01:57:22 PM

Quote from: JRoweSkeptic on March 01, 2015, 01:17:53 PM

Quote from: neimoka on March 01, 2015, 01:10:05 PM

Quote from: JRoweSkeptic on March 01, 2015, 09:07:01 AM

Quote from: neimoka on March 01, 2015, 08:32:47 AM

Quote from: JRoweSkeptic on March 01, 2015, 06:31:25 AM

Quote from: neimoka on March 01, 2015, 06:27:59 AM

Quote from: JRoweSkeptic on March 01, 2015, 06:02:17 AM

that's texture. lights have texture too, if the bulb isn't smooth. you get the same effect.
the tarmac can never be as bright as the room. black rock is not going to be as bright as an illuminating object.

I'd love to see this 'texture' being recreated. Since it's so simple and you know how it really works then a demonstration shouldn't be a problem, right?

Your claim that the rocky moon can't be as bright as it is, is immediately refuted by a light meter and an ordinary terrestrial rock (or even a piece of asphalt). You're simply wrong on this. Why aren't any of your fe claims based on anything but your own baseless speculation?

of course it's simple, i just don't feel like wrecking a light bulb or heating a metal until it's white hot. it is obvious that when the source is not perfectly flat, you will see chips. there may also be some chips of rock from the outside of the moon, over the metal face that faces us. think of it as a spotlight. the outside is rock, the center heated white hot by friction with the aether.

my statements are made on my own observations and examinations, because i am not in this for money, like scientists.

Such as your own examinations and observations of aether?

Perhaps you do not realize that a sunlit rock is, well, just that. A light meter tells us how bright the moon is. A rock on the ground in sunlight is about as bright. Once again what you are presenting is baseless speculation and that's being generous.

i have offered many examinations of aether. it refracts light in the same way as light going from 'air' to water does, it accelerates the earth upwards... just because you have bs notions of these things does not mean you get to ignore these traits. i do not have the equipment to give you a detailed breakdown, just like you don't have the equipment to test half of what you say, you just quote scientists.

a rock on the ground in sunlight does not glow in the dark. the end. you're making yourself look like a fool now.

Who's saying that rocks glow in the dark? No one but you. Rocks reflect light. Rocks on the ground reflect sunlight, with about the same surface brightness as the moon. Your claim was that no rock can be as bright as the moon. You are wrong about that. I'm not 'quoting scientist' about this, stop projecting yourself on me, you're the 'zetetic' who like to use youtube videos as proof, not me.

rocks do not reflect enough light to be visible in what is otherwise total darkness. until you can provide an example of that, i will stick to my statement.

In other words, you've made a blind assumption and decided to treat is as indisputable truth. Re: the bolded part, since rocks usually do not emit noticeable amounts of light on their own how do you reckon they are visible at all? They reflect light, be it from the sun or whatever source. If there is no light source shining on them then they are 'in total darkness' and not visible. There's an example for you of rocks reflecting sufficient amounts of light to make them visible.

Quote from: JRoweSkeptic on March 01, 2015, 01:17:53 PM

i have never once used a youtube video as evidence.

What's this here http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=62909.msg1665188#msg1665188

that's not me? thank you for confirming your intelligence level.

Ha! Got me there. My bad, sorry.

rocks reflect light, but only in light. shining a light on the moon isn't a valid comparison, as any real world examination will show. not only would there be more of a visible effect beyond just the moon (eg: why would nearby stars be visible when they aren't in daylight?) but it still would not be as bright.
please give an example of a common rock that white. it needs to be common for something that size. is the moon made of chalk?

"rocks reflect light, but only in light." What does this even mean? That rocks don't reflect light when there's no light? Well, yeah. What does this prove to you?

Nearby stars are visible because the moon being lit by the sun does not in any way prevent us from seeing them. Anyway we were talking about how rocks can and do reflect light contrary to what you've imagined.

What makes you think the moon is white? Maybe try photographing it. It's mostly gray. Which is anyway irrelevant to the fact that rocks can and do reflect light.

We stay to the ground because our shoes have magnets on them and the cone is made of metal

We stay to the ground because our shoes have magnets on them and the cone is made of metal

But there is no explenation for magnetism so it must not exist.

We stay to the ground because our shoes have magnets on them and the cone is made of metal

Haha, you're wrong. I saw some user and he stated the Earth is a moebius strip. I believed him, really