Sydney(Australia) to Santiago(Chile): direct flight, 12hrs 30m

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Re: Sydney(Australia) to Santiago(Chile): direct flight, 12hrs 30m
« Reply #180 on: March 05, 2016, 07:09:01 AM »
Please DROP the whole NASA argument. As stated ad nauseum even the ISS is being managed and supplied by the Russian and EU space agencies as of late. Look at the Himawari 8 real time photos that the Japanese meteorological society provides! You cannot expect us to believe that they are all fake, and if you do then I demand you prove so. You base your view of a FE purely on your religious faith. You are already corrupted by your predisposition to only accept Biblical stripture as fact. You are not able to accept science unless it involves some wacky theories on the deep web. You sir are not worthy of debating since you refuse to accept any empirical evidence which is contrary to your world view. Cognitive dissonance; look it up.

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Re: Sydney(Australia) to Santiago(Chile): direct flight, 12hrs 30m
« Reply #181 on: March 05, 2016, 10:54:16 AM »
If the earth is round then the Bible and Quran are wrong! Well, since the Bible and Quran are right regarding the immobility of the Earth (so far the score is 1 : 0 in favor of the Bible in relation to the garbage of the HC theory), then it is very likely that the Bible is right regarding the shape of the earth, too. Only (as i said in another thread) the shape of the earth presents to us very difficult problem because there are very strong proofs which go in favor of FE theory, but in the same time there are very strong proofs which go in favor of RE theory - which makes this whole situation very schizoprenic.

I don't care whether the earth is flat or round (all i want to know is WHAT IS THE right answer to this question?), and the Bible vs RE theory is not the only issue here. There are very strong philosophical (not only scientific) reasons why we can hardly believe that God would have ever chosen to shape the Earth round. That is one another (intuitive) reason why we are rooting for the FE theory. But of course : the REAL (not FALSE) science is one which has to provide for us THE FINAL WORD on this issue!

It would be very easy to prove which theory is right and which is wrong, but while you wait for THE FINAL WORD on this issue ask yourself one simple question :

Why NASA can't show us one single AUTHENTIC picture of the earth from space (after all these years)?
Where are recently verified FE proofs?

My brand new video : " class="bbc_link" target="_blank"> (THIS SHOULD SETTLE THE MATTER)....
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Can you disprove that the horizon remains EYE LEVEL no matter how high you climb up?
Can you disprove that all the water on the earth always finds it's own LEVEL?
Can you disprove that there are no adjustments for the curvature of the earth when building canals, bridges, tunnels, railways etc...?
Can you disprove that the horizon is always flat no matter how high we fly?
Can you disprove that aviation wouldn't work on a spinning GLOBE?
Can you disprove that abyssal plains which constitutes 75 % of the surface of the earth are the flattest surfaces on the earth?
Can you disprove that we can see lights which comes form the lighthouses which are more than 100 miles far away from us?
Can you disprove that rocket men (Don Quixote) don't take into account the rotation of the earth hypothesis or the supposed curvature of the earth when lunching long range missiles?
Can you disprove ALBATROS ARITHMETIC argument (Mutiny on the Bounty)?

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AVIATION WOULDN'T WORK ON A SPINNING GLOBE AND IT WOULDN'T WORK EVEN ON A STATIONARY GLOBULAR EARTH, ALSO :

Read this correspondence :

---"In fact, didn't he prove that the earth rotated via the gyroscope??"

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---No, he didn't : Flat Earth and the Gyroscope Myth (by Rob Durham) - MIRROR : " class="bbc_link" target="_blank">

Gyroscope doesn't know the curve of any kind (of any degree)!!! - This is really strong argument in favor of Flat Earth, and amazingly Round Earthers have been using one similar fraudulent experiment (Foucault's pendulum), and even Foucault's another invention (a gyrosope) more than 150 years in order to prove that the earth rotates... Well, we have silenced them for good (using their own weapon)...

If the earth were a globe VSI data would NEVER match Artificial Horizon indications!!! In a very short period of time (within a few seconds - depending on the speed of the aircraft) any attempt to fly STRAIGHT AND LEVEL would be obstructed in a following manner : Artificial Horizon would permanently indicate that an aircraft is climbing up, although VSI would never show any change at all, since there would be no difference in air pressure while aircraft SOMEHOW manages to maintain the same altitude!!! In other words Artificial Horizon would be of no use whatsoever!!!

If you fly at the speed MACH 2, you climb up 126 meters every minute, now your erection mechanism SLOWLY (within minutes) reacts and compensates the difference in altitude, but while your erection mechanism does what it allegedly does you again and again (after every single SLOW adjustment) climb up next 126 meters. So, every minute you are 126 meters higher in the sky and your VSI has gone crazy already. So, are you trying to say that your erection mechanism reacts instantly or what? If you fly at the speed MACH 7 you climb up 1546 meters (5104 feet) per minute, so even if it were true what you claim can you explain to us how pilots in X-15 aircraft have managed not to fly off into space while flying at the speed MACH 7?
ON TOP OF THAT :  How attitude indicator knows how fast you fly?

Ibrahim Muñoz
I used to run tests on gyros for the C-5 and C-141 airplanes in the military. The tests usually ran for 4 hours. I had to make sure it could stay precise an all the axes. (Pitch Yaw and Roll) there was only one allowance made for the rotation of the earth. 15 degrees for every hour. Now this only affects the heading in terms of longitude position . But , there was NEVER I mean NEVER any mention or allowance for pitch or altitude adjustment for the curvature of the earth. If a plane is going 500 MPH, after a1/2 an hour it would have traveled 250 miles. That means the plane would be 7.89 miles higher. Those gyros are very sensitive and precise. This is proof the earth is flat. For me that is the final nail in the coffin for round earth?


Ibrahim Muñoz
+Rab Downunder The gyros I worked on were in a vacuum case and they sat on a fixed place in the plane. There was nothing to correct except for the 15 degrees per hour of the earths supposed "rotation". This is related to longitude position or East west movement in relation to magnetic north. For coordinated turns and smooth flight , accelerometers are used. But these do not affect the gyro. So, as far as I remember, the gyro did not receive any correction for the curvature of the earth.?

Ecco Sabanovic
..all i can say is that, i have performed similar tests with gyro, aligned north/south and left spinning on my work desk(electrically powered) from 7AM to 3PM..no offset at all on gimbal..so if earth is spinning, offset should be visible..tests performed in Singapore which is basically equator, so if earth is indeed spinning, offset should be easy visible in 8 hr of gyro spinning here..

... blk jet 1 month ago
When i started my 25 year USAF career, I was an Automated Flight Control Systems Specialist (autopilot). The system had a pitch up command for coordinated turns so that when the aircraft banked and the wings lost lift the resulting altitude loss could be prevented. There was also pitch up and down commands for terrain following, but no pitch commands to account for the curvature of the earth. If there were then there would have to be a continuous pitch down command to account for the earths curvature. I worked both on the flight line (on the aircraft) and the back shop so I got to learn the complete system and can tell you that there was never any signals to account for the curvature of the earth.?

blk jet 9 minutes ago
+odiupicku I don't think he will answer your questions. I worked on C-141, A-10, A-7, F-117, F-16, and B-1B aircraft as well as trained on F-111 and B-52 systems. None of those aircraft had ANY pitch down commands to account for the curvature of the earth. None, Not a single one.?

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Re: Sydney(Australia) to Santiago(Chile): direct flight, 12hrs 30m
« Reply #182 on: March 05, 2016, 11:36:35 AM »
We destroyed you many times months ago. Why did you come back?
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Re: Sydney(Australia) to Santiago(Chile): direct flight, 12hrs 30m
« Reply #183 on: March 05, 2016, 12:33:43 PM »
But I've been on that flight and its roughly 6300 miles and takes about 11 1/2 hrs at 550 miles per hour, which is consistent both with my experience and what is published.

Where's the conspiracy with that?

I am sure you have.  ::)

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Re: Sydney(Australia) to Santiago(Chile): direct flight, 12hrs 30m
« Reply #184 on: March 05, 2016, 12:46:12 PM »
You got him.  The flights are all empty.  ::)
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« Reply #185 on: March 05, 2016, 01:00:16 PM »
You got him.  The flights are all empty.  ::)

I am sure that you and him are also Astronauts, right?  You also are cartographers and physicists.  You people just lie or stretch the truth about anything you can.  ::)

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Re: Sydney(Australia) to Santiago(Chile): direct flight, 12hrs 30m
« Reply #186 on: March 05, 2016, 01:02:53 PM »
I made no such claim. You made the claim he never took the flight.  Has anyone took any of the flights from Sydney to Santiago?
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Re: Sydney(Australia) to Santiago(Chile): direct flight, 12hrs 30m
« Reply #187 on: March 05, 2016, 01:10:18 PM »
I made no such claim. You made the claim he never took the flight.  Has anyone took any of the flights from Sydney to Santiago?

He made the claim.  I simply expressed my doubt.  Why do you people feel the need to lie all the time? 

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Re: Sydney(Australia) to Santiago(Chile): direct flight, 12hrs 30m
« Reply #188 on: March 05, 2016, 02:16:07 PM »
I made no such claim. You made the claim he never took the flight.  Has anyone took any of the flights from Sydney to Santiago?

He made the claim.  I simply expressed my doubt.  Why do you people feel the need to lie all the time?

Lie?
lol

Why do you think he never took the flight?


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Re: Sydney(Australia) to Santiago(Chile): direct flight, 12hrs 30m
« Reply #189 on: March 05, 2016, 03:44:15 PM »
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« Reply #190 on: March 05, 2016, 03:53:10 PM »
I made no such claim. You made the claim he never took the flight.  Has anyone took any of the flights from Sydney to Santiago?

He made the claim.  I simply expressed my doubt.  Why do you people feel the need to lie all the time?

Lie?
lol

Why do you think he never took the flight?




You said I made a claim.  I am still waiting for you to tell the rest of us what that claim was.  Any  time now...

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« Reply #191 on: March 05, 2016, 03:55:56 PM »
You made the claim he never took the flight.
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« Reply #192 on: March 05, 2016, 04:04:54 PM »
We destroyed you many times months ago. Why did you come back?

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Re: Sydney(Australia) to Santiago(Chile): direct flight, 12hrs 30m
« Reply #193 on: March 05, 2016, 04:08:56 PM »
You made the claim he never took the flight.

lol, when did I claim that?  Please, quote me. 

Re: Sydney(Australia) to Santiago(Chile): direct flight, 12hrs 30m
« Reply #194 on: March 05, 2016, 04:10:59 PM »
We destroyed you many times months ago. Why did you come back?

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Doesn't have any real argument. Picture are not an accurate way of telling if there is a curve or not, and it forgets how large the radius of the earth is compared to the distance to the horizon. If you consider a small enough section of s sphere it appears flat.

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« Reply #195 on: March 05, 2016, 04:12:26 PM »
You made the claim he never took the flight.

lol, when did I claim that?  Please, quote me.
I made no such claim. You made the claim he never took the flight.  Has anyone took any of the flights from Sydney to Santiago?

He made the claim.  I simply expressed my doubt.  Why do you people feel the need to lie all the time? 
"I simply expressed my doubt"

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« Reply #196 on: March 05, 2016, 04:13:38 PM »
Expressing doubt is not the same as making a claim.  Are you new to the English language?  ???

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« Reply #197 on: March 05, 2016, 04:15:26 PM »
If the earth is round then the Bible and Quran are wrong! Well, since the Bible and Quran are right regarding the immobility of the Earth (so far the score is 1 : 0 in favor of the Bible in relation to the garbage of the HC theory), then it is very likely that the Bible is right regarding the shape of the earth, too. Only (as i said in another thread) the shape of the earth presents to us very difficult problem because there are very strong proofs which go in favor of FE theory, but in the same time there are very strong proofs which go in favor of RE theory - which makes this whole situation very schizoprenic.

I don't care whether the earth is flat or round (all i want to know is WHAT IS THE right answer to this question?), and the Bible vs RE theory is not the only issue here. There are very strong philosophical (not only scientific) reasons why we can hardly believe that God would have ever chosen to shape the Earth round. That is one another (intuitive) reason why we are rooting for the FE theory. But of course : the REAL (not FALSE) science is one which has to provide for us THE FINAL WORD on this issue!

It would be very easy to prove which theory is right and which is wrong, but while you wait for THE FINAL WORD on this issue ask yourself one simple question :

Why NASA can't show us one single AUTHENTIC picture of the earth from space (after all these years)?

Please show a verse in the Bible that says the earth is flat. Also I take the quran with a grain of salt since they say you should kill the infidel.
The Bible doesn't support a flat earth.

Scripture, facts, science, stats, and logic is how I argue.

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Re: Sydney(Australia) to Santiago(Chile): direct flight, 12hrs 30m
« Reply #198 on: March 05, 2016, 04:17:13 PM »
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« Reply #199 on: March 05, 2016, 04:18:34 PM »
Please show a verse in the Bible that says the earth is flat. Also I take the quran with a grain of salt since they say you should kill the infidel.

How about when it talks about the four corners of the Earth?  In which way can you spin it to make a sphere have four corners?  This will be good. 

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« Reply #200 on: March 05, 2016, 04:26:24 PM »
Please show a verse in the Bible that says the earth is flat. Also I take the quran with a grain of salt since they say you should kill the infidel.

How about when it talks about the four corners of the Earth?  In which way can you spin it to make a sphere have four corners?  This will be good.

Wait, do is the flat earth a disc or a square?
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Re: Sydney(Australia) to Santiago(Chile): direct flight, 12hrs 30m
« Reply #201 on: March 05, 2016, 04:33:25 PM »
If the earth is round then the Bible and Quran are wrong!

If that's what you want to believe, who am I to object?

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Well, since the Bible and Quran are right regarding the immobility of the Earth (so far the score is 1 : 0 in favor of the Bible in relation to the garbage of the HC theory)

Who's the scorekeeper? If the Bible and Quran both agree on this, can you ask the scorekeeper why the score isn't 2:0?

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then it is very likely that the Bible is right regarding the shape of the earth, too.
That does not logically follow.

Hypothetical question: if the Bible and the Quran don't agree with each other on a particular point, which is right? Be specific in your reasoning, please.

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Only (as i said in another thread) the shape of the earth presents to us very difficult problem because there are very strong proofs data which go in favor of FE theory, but in the same time there are very strong proofs which go in favor of RE theory - which makes this whole situation very schizoprenic.
There are no proofs either way. Period. As you note, there is strong unambiguous evidence in favor of the spherical Earth in favor of a flat earth. Can you cite something that can be substantiated that even suggests that the Earth is flat?

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I don't care whether the earth is flat or round (all i want to know is WHAT IS THE right answer to this question?)

Well, then, that's easy. It's spherical. All the evidence says so. Can we end the discussion?

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and the Bible vs RE theory is not the only issue here. There are very strong philosophical (not only scientific) reasons why we can hardly believe that God would have ever chosen to shape the Earth round. That is one another (intuitive) reason why we are rooting for the FE theory.

Wait... if you're rooting for one answer in favor of the other, then you do care, so your earlier assertion is false.

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But of course : the REAL (not FALSE) science is one which has to provide for us THE FINAL WORD on this issue!

It would be very easy to prove which theory is right and which is wrong, but while you wait for THE FINAL WORD on this issue ask yourself one simple question :
Why NASA can't show us one single AUTHENTIC picture of the earth from space (after all these years)?

Because they have already shown many (not "one") of them? NASA can't show us one single authentic picture because they have already shown dozens, at the very least, of authentic pictures of the entire lit portion of the Earth (more likely it's thousands or millions, but I ain't gonna count 'em all), and they can't "take back" all but one single one. I don't see that as a problem, though. Do you?

If you doubt they're authentic, can you be specific about why? Maybe you could start by saying clearly what you believe makes a picture authentic[nb]"I don't believe it", or "that has to be fake" is not evidence that it's not authentic; that's an opinion.[/nb]. In order to display a color picture on your computer screen, it requires digital processing - there is no way around that. Is that your objection? There are prints from original film negatives that still exist from the days long before digital photography. Unfortunately, you can't just view those without getting up from your computer.
 
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Re: Sydney(Australia) to Santiago(Chile): direct flight, 12hrs 30m
« Reply #202 on: March 05, 2016, 04:34:09 PM »
If the earth is round then the Bible and Quran are wrong! Well, since the Bible and Quran are right regarding the immobility of the Earth (so far the score is 1 : 0 in favor of the Bible in relation to the garbage of the HC theory), then it is very likely that the Bible is right regarding the shape of the earth, too. Only (as i said in another thread) the shape of the earth presents to us very difficult problem because there are very strong proofs which go in favor of FE theory, but in the same time there are very strong proofs which go in favor of RE theory - which makes this whole situation very schizoprenic.

I don't care whether the earth is flat or round (all i want to know is WHAT IS THE right answer to this question?), and the Bible vs RE theory is not the only issue here. There are very strong philosophical (not only scientific) reasons why we can hardly believe that God would have ever chosen to shape the Earth round. That is one another (intuitive) reason why we are rooting for the FE theory. But of course : the REAL (not FALSE) science is one which has to provide for us THE FINAL WORD on this issue!

It would be very easy to prove which theory is right and which is wrong, but while you wait for THE FINAL WORD on this issue ask yourself one simple question :

Why NASA can't show us one single AUTHENTIC picture of the earth from space (after all these years)?

Please show a verse in the Bible that says the earth is flat. Also I take the quran with a grain of salt since they say you should kill the infidel.

The concept is NOT that the earth is Flat per se....BUT that it is laid out in a horizontal plane & NOT in a sphere. ( Heliocentric ) Of course the earth has elevation etc ( mountains ) ....but WHEN ANY demonstrations of proving a natural curvature of the earth ( by lining up points of reference - and in doing so - IF the earth was a sphere, ANY absolute straight line - would by using common sense, show natural drop off curvature - ( Earth radius of 3,959 mi) - == Natural Drop off to accomodate the earths curvature would be approx over a distance of 10 miles = 66 feet - rising exponentially 1000ft over a distance of 40 miles - This has NEVER been proved to happen in any test ( building railway lines - Canals etc - ALL have been built NEVER having to take the Earths curvature into consideration - as it doesnt exist. We live on a flat plane - not on a spinning ball.

But any way I don"t ignore the physics, Science, or the geometry. I don't ignore God either.

Isaiah 44:24 ..... I AM THE LORD who made all things,who alone stretched out the heavens,who "spread abroad" the earth by Myself.

Definition of spread abroad = Flatten

Genesis 1: 16 .... God made "two" lights the sun, and the moon and

Joshua 10:12 .... God stopped those two lights, and thousands reported it Not just in the Bible either..all the ancient cultures recorded the event.

The Reason it takes 3 years and over 50,000 miles to Circumnavigate Antarctica? Job 26:10....He hath COMPASSED the Waters with BOUNDS, until the Day and Night come to an END.......... there are over 50 verses referring to the sun's Circuit. (Still, Stable, Immovable)

1st Chronicles 16:30 ..... The world also shall be stable, That it Not Be Moved.

Psalm 96:10 ...... The world also shall be established that it shall not be moved.

Psalm 93:1 .... The world also is established that IT CANNOT BE MOVED. Not spinning, not orbiting, not on an imaginary axes just because 500 million men say so. God says it Shall Not EVER Move.

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Believe what ever you want.. But . He is watching, Ezekiel 1: 25, 26 .. look up and wave.

FROM THE BOOK OF ENOCH :

18:2   I saw the cornerstone of the earth; I saw the four winds which bear the earth as well as the firmament of heaven.
18:3   I saw how the winds ride the heights of heaven and stand between heaven and earth: These are the very pillars of heaven.
18:4   I saw the winds which turn the heaven and cause the star to set -the sun as well as all the stars.
18:12   And on top of that pit I saw a place without the heavenly firmament above it or earthly foundation under it or water. There was nothing on it -not even birds -but it was a desolate and terrible place.
18:14   Then the malak said to me, “This place is the ultimate end of heaven and earth.

The FACE of the Earth!!! Think of it!!! Find out what is the meaning of this word : A FACE!!! Meditate on this word! Wake up you little deluded child!

Psalm 104:24, 30

   How many are your works, O Lord! In wisdom you made them all; the earth is full of your creatures.... When you send your Spirit, they are created, and you renew the face of the earth.

THE FACE :

1. The surface of THE FRONT of the head from the top of the forehead to the base of the chin and from ear to ear.
2. The surface presented to view; THE FRONT.
3. A façade - The face or front of a building
4. A marked side: the face of a clock; the face of a playing card.
5. The right side, as of fabric.
6. A planar surface of a geometric solid.
7. The appearance and geologic surface features of an area of land; topography.


TO FACE :

1. To occupy a position with the face toward: stood and faced the audience.
2. To front on: a window that faces the south.

In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over THE FACE of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over THE FACE of the waters. - Genesis 1 : 1

Then God said, I give you every seed-bearing plant on THE FACE OF THE WHOLE EARTH and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. - gENESIS 1 : 29



THE END(S) OF THE EARTH (Can you explain to me what would be the meaning of THE ENDS of the sphere?) :

Jeremiah 16:19
O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ENDS OF THE EARTH, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit. (KJV)

The visions of my head as I lay in bed were these: I saw, and behold, a tree in the midst of the earth, and its height was great. The tree grew and became strong, and its top reached to heaven, and it was visible to THE END OF THE WHOLE EARTH. - Daniel 4:10-11

But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to THE END OF THE EARTH.” - Acts 1 : 8

For he looks to THE ENDS OF THE EARTH and sees everything under the heavens. - Job 28 : 24

A firstborn bull—he has majesty, and his horns are the horns of a wild ox; with them he shall gore the peoples, all of them, TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH; they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh.”  - Deuteronomy 33 : 17

“And the Lord will scatter you among all peoples, FROM ONE END OF THE EARTH TO THE OTHER, and there you shall serve other gods of wood and stone, which neither you nor your fathers have known.  - Deuteronomy 28 : 64

He makes wars cease to THE END OF THE EARTH; he breaks the bow and shatters the spear; he burns the chariots with fire. - Psalm 46 : 9

And then he will send out the angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from THE ENDS OF THE EARTH to THE ENDS OF HEAVEN. - Mark 13 : 27

“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, FROM ONE END OF HEAVEN TO THE OTHER. - Matthew 24 : 29 - 31


The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they display knowledge. There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard. Their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to THE ENDS OF THE WORLD. -
Psalm 19:1-6



FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH (Can you explain to me what would be the meaning of THE CORNERS of the sphere?):

Isaiah 11:12
And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH. (KJV)

And will come out to deceive the nations that are AT THE FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea. - Revelation 20 : 8

After this I saw four angels standing AT THE FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding back the four winds of the earth, that no wind might blow on earth or sea or against any tree. - Revelation 7 : 1

Under the whole heaven he lets it go, and his lightning to THE CORNERS OF THE EARTH. - Job 37 : 3



THE FOUNDATIONS OF THE EARTH AND IMMOBILITY OF THE EARTH (Can you explain to me what would be the meaning of THE FOUNDATIONS of the sphere which RUSHES THROUGH SPACE AT THE SPEED OF A BULLET?) :

He who flees at the sound of the terror shall fall into the pit, and he who climbs out of the pit shall be caught in the snare. For the windows of heaven are opened, and THE FOUNDATIONS OF THE EARTH tremble. - Isaiah 24 : 18

He set the earth on IT'S FOUNDATIONS, so that it should NEVER BE MOVED. - Psalm 104 : 5 

The Lord reigns; he is robed in majesty; the Lord is robed; he has put on strength as his belt. Yes, the world IS ESTABLISHED; it shall NEVER BE MOVED. - Psalm 93 : 1

Who shakes the earth out of ITS PLACE, and ITS PILLARS tremble - Job 9 : 6

He raises up the poor from the dust; he lifts the needy from the ash heap to make them sit with princes and inherit a seat of honor. For THE PILLARS OF THE EARTH are the Lord's, and ON THEM HE SET THE WORLD. - 1 Samuel 2 : 8

Father, I desire that they also, whom you have given me, may be with me where I am, to see my glory that you have given me because you loved me before THE FOUNDATION of the world.  - John 17 : 24

THE FIRMAMENT - A DOME (Does Job refer here to the Van Allen belt? - ...LOL...

Can you, like him, spread out the skies, HARD AS A CAST METAL MIRROR ? - Job 37 : 18

LUTHER AND CALVIN ABOUT THE HELIOCENTRISM : http://i.imgur.com/HCH4g4N.jpg
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QURAN :

Allah is He Who raised the heavens without any pillars that you can see. Then, He Istawa (Jesus) (rose above) the Throne (really in a manner that suits His Majesty). He has subjected the sun and the moon (to continue going round)! Each running (its course) for a term appointed. He regulates all affairs, explaining the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) in detail, that you may believe with certainty in the meeting with your Lord.

QORAN talk about FIRMAMENT :

O assembly of jinns and men! If you have power to pass beyond the zones of the heavens and the earth, then pass (them)! But YOU WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO PASS THEM, EXCEPT WITH AUTHORITY (from Allah)! (AL-Qoran,Surah Ar-Rahman, chapter 55,verse 33)

AND WE HAVE MADE THE HEAVEN A ROOF, SAFE AND WELL GUARDED. Yet they turn away from its signs (i.e. sun, moon, winds, clouds, etc.).

And He it is Who has created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon, each in an orbit floating. (AL-Qoran,Surah Al Anbiya, chapter 21,verse 32-33)

But Allah raised him ['Iesa (JESUS)] up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he IS IN THE HEAVENS). And Allah is Ever All-Powerful, All-Wise. (AL-Qoran,Surah An-Nisa, chapter 4,verse 158)

And We have spread out the earth, how Excellent Spreader (thereof) are We! (AL-Qoran,Surah Adh-Dhariyat, chapter51,verse 48)

And the earth! We have spread it out, and set thereon mountains standing firm, and have produced therein every kind of lovely growth (plants). (AL-Qoran,Surah Qaf, chapter 50,verse 7)

And Allah has made for you the earth wide spread (an expanse). (AL-Qoran,Surah Noah, chapter 71,verse 19) (6) Have We not made the earth as a bed, (AL-Qoran,Surah An-Naba’, chapter 71,verse 6)

It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor does the night outstrip the day. They all float, each in an orbit (AL-Qoran,SurahYaasiin, chapter 36 ,verse 40)

And the earth We spread out, and placed therein firm mountains, and caused to grow therein all kinds of things in due proportion. (AL-Qoran,Surah AL Hijr, chapter 15,verse 19)





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Re: Sydney(Australia) to Santiago(Chile): direct flight, 12hrs 30m
« Reply #203 on: March 05, 2016, 04:38:24 PM »
Please show a verse in the Bible that says the earth is flat. Also I take the quran with a grain of salt since they say you should kill the infidel.

How about when it talks about the four corners of the Earth?  In which way can you spin it to make a sphere have four corners?  This will be good.

Wait, do is the flat earth a disc or a square?

Who said it has to be either a circle or a square?  Could you please quote the person?  Or, are you just making stuff up again?  ???

Re: Sydney(Australia) to Santiago(Chile): direct flight, 12hrs 30m
« Reply #204 on: March 05, 2016, 04:39:23 PM »
Yet measurements of the path of the sun and travel distances prove a round earth.

Re: Sydney(Australia) to Santiago(Chile): direct flight, 12hrs 30m
« Reply #205 on: March 05, 2016, 04:40:23 PM »
Please show a verse in the Bible that says the earth is flat. Also I take the quran with a grain of salt since they say you should kill the infidel.

How about when it talks about the four corners of the Earth?  In which way can you spin it to make a sphere have four corners?  This will be good.

Wait, do is the flat earth a disc or a square?

Who said it has to be either a circle or a square?  Could you please quote the person?  Or, are you just making stuff up again?  ???
What shape do you think it is and why?

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Re: Sydney(Australia) to Santiago(Chile): direct flight, 12hrs 30m
« Reply #206 on: March 05, 2016, 04:42:12 PM »
Please show a verse in the Bible that says the earth is flat. Also I take the quran with a grain of salt since they say you should kill the infidel.

How about when it talks about the four corners of the Earth?  In which way can you spin it to make a sphere have four corners?  This will be good.

Wait, do is the flat earth a disc or a square?

Who said it has to be either a circle or a square?  Could you please quote the person?  Or, are you just making stuff up again?  ???
What shape do you think it is and why?

So, you lied by claiming that we make a definite statement about the shape of the perimetre? 

Re: Sydney(Australia) to Santiago(Chile): direct flight, 12hrs 30m
« Reply #207 on: March 05, 2016, 04:45:09 PM »
Please show a verse in the Bible that says the earth is flat. Also I take the quran with a grain of salt since they say you should kill the infidel.

How about when it talks about the four corners of the Earth?  In which way can you spin it to make a sphere have four corners?  This will be good.

Wait, do is the flat earth a disc or a square?

Who said it has to be either a circle or a square?  Could you please quote the person?  Or, are you just making stuff up again?  ???
What shape do you think it is and why?

So, you lied by claiming that we make a definite statement about the shape of the perimetre?
Wty is everything a lie?

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Re: Sydney(Australia) to Santiago(Chile): direct flight, 12hrs 30m
« Reply #208 on: March 05, 2016, 04:47:09 PM »
You are asking me why you lie all the time?  ???

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Re: Sydney(Australia) to Santiago(Chile): direct flight, 12hrs 30m
« Reply #209 on: March 05, 2016, 04:48:36 PM »
But I've been on that flight and its roughly 6300 miles and takes about 11 1/2 hrs at 550 miles per hour, which is consistent both with my experience and what is published.

Where's the conspiracy with that?

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