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What is the FE argument on night and day? How can it be night in one place, and day in another place if the Earth is flat?


 

What is the FE argument on night and day? How can it be night in one place, and day in another place if the Earth is flat?

They say the sun is more like a spotlight.  Obviously on an FE, the sun would get smaller and fade out as it got further away.  They just pretend everything works.

Quote from: General Patton on February 20, 2015, 08:19:05 PM

What is the FE argument on night and day? How can it be night in one place, and day in another place if the Earth is flat?

They say the sun is more like a spotlight.  Obviously on an FE, the sun would get smaller and fade out as it got further away.  They just pretend everything works.

I guess they think the illuminati put the spotlight there

Lol, I guess no flat earther has come yet because they have no argument for this.

What is the FE argument on night and day? How can it be night in one place, and day in another place if the Earth is flat?

Light does not travel infinitely through the atmosphere. 

Quote from: General Patton on February 20, 2015, 08:19:05 PM

What is the FE argument on night and day? How can it be night in one place, and day in another place if the Earth is flat?

Light does not travel infinitely through the atmosphere.

Are stars closer or further away than the sun in FET?

Stars are likely farther away from the Earth than the sun.  But, you can't see all the stars at all times of night because even their light is impeded by the atmosphere. 

Stars are likely farther away from the Earth than the sun.  But, you can't see all the stars at all times of night because even their light is impeded by the atmosphere.

Oh, then is there an explanation for why I cannot see the sun in this image? If the stars are further away than the sun, and the only reason I cant see the sun at night is because its light can't make it through all that air, then obviously here there is something going on that makes it so I can see stars all the way to the horizon, hence I would be able to see the sun.

Quote from: jroa on February 21, 2015, 08:32:12 PM

Stars are likely farther away from the Earth than the sun.  But, you can't see all the stars at all times of night because even their light is impeded by the atmosphere.

Oh, then is there an explanation for why I cannot see the sun in this image? If the stars are further away than the sun, and the only reason I cant see the sun at night is because its light can't make it through all that air, then obviously here there is something going on that makes it so I can see stars all the way to the horizon, hence I would be able to see the sun.

You can't see the stars that are next to the sun in that picture either, can't you? 

I can't see the sun at all despite the fact that I can see stars all the way to the horizon, meaning the most atmosphere or atmoplane possible to place between them. If you would like I can post a few hundred more showing the same thing, all lacking the sun.

I can't see the sun at all despite the fact that I can see stars all the way to the horizon, meaning the most atmosphere or atmoplane possible to place between them. If you would like I can post a few hundred more showing the same thing, all lacking the sun.

You can see all of the stars?  Please, point out the southern cross for me. 

Quote from: Lemmiwinks on February 21, 2015, 08:48:54 PM

I can't see the sun at all despite the fact that I can see stars all the way to the horizon, meaning the most atmosphere or atmoplane possible to place between them. If you would like I can post a few hundred more showing the same thing, all lacking the sun.

You can see all of the stars?  Please, point out the southern cross for me.

Semantics? Thats the last resort of a person losing a debate, you know that right?

Quote from: Lemmiwinks on February 21, 2015, 08:48:54 PM

I can't see the sun at all despite the fact that I can see stars all the way to the horizon, meaning the most atmosphere or atmoplane possible to place between them. If you would like I can post a few hundred more showing the same thing, all lacking the sun.

You can see all of the stars?  Please, point out the southern cross for me.

Anyways, I don't have to, being unable to see those stars like the southern cross actually is part of RET, it would be your job to explain why I cannot see the southern cross, since on a flat earth I would be able to, so please do explain.

Quote from: jroa on February 21, 2015, 08:55:20 PM

Quote from: Lemmiwinks on February 21, 2015, 08:48:54 PM

I can't see the sun at all despite the fact that I can see stars all the way to the horizon, meaning the most atmosphere or atmoplane possible to place between them. If you would like I can post a few hundred more showing the same thing, all lacking the sun.

You can see all of the stars?  Please, point out the southern cross for me.

Anyways, I don't have to, being unable to see those stars like the southern cross actually is part of RET, it would be your job to explain why I cannot see the southern cross, since on a flat earth I would be able to, so please do explain.

Why are the distant mountains in this picture disappearing?  I'll give you a hint; it is not because the Earth is round. 

Quote from: Lemmiwinks on February 21, 2015, 09:00:59 PM

Quote from: jroa on February 21, 2015, 08:55:20 PM

Quote from: Lemmiwinks on February 21, 2015, 08:48:54 PM

I can't see the sun at all despite the fact that I can see stars all the way to the horizon, meaning the most atmosphere or atmoplane possible to place between them. If you would like I can post a few hundred more showing the same thing, all lacking the sun.

You can see all of the stars?  Please, point out the southern cross for me.

Anyways, I don't have to, being unable to see those stars like the southern cross actually is part of RET, it would be your job to explain why I cannot see the southern cross, since on a flat earth I would be able to, so please do explain.

Why are the distant mountains in this picture disappearing?  I'll give you a hint; it is not because the Earth is round. 

Distance to the stars at horizon > those mountains. Nice attempt at strawman, but lets get back to what I asked.

Anyways, I don't have to, being unable to see those stars like the southern cross actually is part of RET, it would be your job to explain why I cannot see the southern cross, since on a flat earth I would be able to, so please do explain.

Because light can not travel infinitely through the air and the southern cross is too far away to see.

Because light can not travel infinitely through the air and the southern cross is too far away to see.

So how fast does light go from visible to not visible because of the air? Because you are now bordering on saying the earth is massive.

But also here is the trap, because to make it work like you are saying then suddenly things would have to be far dimmer during the day than they are.

So how fast does light go from visible to not visible because of the air?

That would depend on the conditions of the air, would it not? 

Quote from: Lemmiwinks on February 21, 2015, 09:23:07 PM

So how fast does light go from visible to not visible because of the air?

That would depend on the conditions of the air, would it not?

So you are saying conditions in the air can vary so wildly as to make you unable to give an answer to how quickly a star would go from visible and not visible?

Quote from: jroa on February 21, 2015, 09:27:42 PM

Quote from: Lemmiwinks on February 21, 2015, 09:23:07 PM

So how fast does light go from visible to not visible because of the air?

That would depend on the conditions of the air, would it not?

So you are saying conditions in the air can vary so wildly as to make you unable to give an answer to how quickly a star would go from visible and not visible?

Yes.  Some days, there is a lot of pollen or dust in the air.  Some days, there are profound temperature differences.  Some days, there is very little moisture in the air.  Is all of this new to you? 

Why are the distant mountains in this picture disappearing?  I'll give you a hint; it is not because the Earth is round. 

Why are the mountains not fading to black?  You keep saying that light can't travel infinitely far through air, so why are the mountains not lost in inky blackness?

Fading does not mean something is turning black, markjo. 

Fading does not mean something is turning black, markjo.

That which receives no light is black. Black is after all, the absence of light.... hitting our eyes, that is.

EDIT: reworded statement and fixed minor typo

Quote from: jroa on February 21, 2015, 09:37:23 PM

Fading does not mean something is turning black, markjo.

That which receives no light is black. Black is after all, the absence of light.... hitting our eyes, that is.

EDIT: reworded statement and fixed minor typo

The mountain is not receiving no light.  That is right, I used to double negative on purpose.  The light reflecting off of the mountain is being refracted, deflected, and diffused due to the mass and density of the air in between the mountain and the camera. 

Quote from: Lemmiwinks on February 21, 2015, 09:31:28 PM

Quote from: jroa on February 21, 2015, 09:27:42 PM

Quote from: Lemmiwinks on February 21, 2015, 09:23:07 PM

So how fast does light go from visible to not visible because of the air?

That would depend on the conditions of the air, would it not?

So you are saying conditions in the air can vary so wildly as to make you unable to give an answer to how quickly a star would go from visible and not visible?

Yes.  Some days, there is a lot of pollen or dust in the air.  Some days, there are profound temperature differences.  Some days, there is very little moisture in the air.  Is all of this new to you?

If I put a camera on a weather balloon and launch it at night, could I see the southern cross from North America?  What happened to you in the fog?  It seems something tramatic is preventing you from seeing.  It is as if you are constantly reassuring yourself that no one saw what happened that damp foggy morning on your way to school.

Quote from: jroa on February 21, 2015, 09:34:42 PM

Quote from: Lemmiwinks on February 21, 2015, 09:31:28 PM

Quote from: jroa on February 21, 2015, 09:27:42 PM

Quote from: Lemmiwinks on February 21, 2015, 09:23:07 PM

So how fast does light go from visible to not visible because of the air?

That would depend on the conditions of the air, would it not?

So you are saying conditions in the air can vary so wildly as to make you unable to give an answer to how quickly a star would go from visible and not visible?

Yes.  Some days, there is a lot of pollen or dust in the air.  Some days, there are profound temperature differences.  Some days, there is very little moisture in the air.  Is all of this new to you?

If I put a camera on a weather balloon and launch it at night, could I see the southern cross from North America?  What happened to you in the fog?  It seems something tramatic is preventing you from seeing.  It is as if you are constantly reassuring yourself that no one saw what happened that damp foggy morning on your way to school.

If you could get a camera high enough, I suppose that you could see the southern cross from North America, whether the Earth is round or flat. 

Quote from: gpssjim on February 22, 2015, 07:42:48 AM

Quote from: jroa on February 21, 2015, 09:34:42 PM

Quote from: Lemmiwinks on February 21, 2015, 09:31:28 PM

Quote from: jroa on February 21, 2015, 09:27:42 PM

Quote from: Lemmiwinks on February 21, 2015, 09:23:07 PM

So how fast does light go from visible to not visible because of the air?

That would depend on the conditions of the air, would it not?

So you are saying conditions in the air can vary so wildly as to make you unable to give an answer to how quickly a star would go from visible and not visible?

Yes.  Some days, there is a lot of pollen or dust in the air.  Some days, there are profound temperature differences.  Some days, there is very little moisture in the air.  Is all of this new to you?

If I put a camera on a weather balloon and launch it at night, could I see the southern cross from North America?  What happened to you in the fog?  It seems something tramatic is preventing you from seeing.  It is as if you are constantly reassuring yourself that no one saw what happened that damp foggy morning on your way to school.

If you could get a camera high enough, I suppose that you could see the southern cross from North America, whether the Earth is round or flat.

I'm asking about ~90-100k feet, which can be accomplished easily with a weather balloon.  All the flights with video cameras on balloons I've seen have been during the day, would be interesting to see one at night. 

Quote from: jroa on February 22, 2015, 08:24:15 AM

Quote from: gpssjim on February 22, 2015, 07:42:48 AM

Quote from: jroa on February 21, 2015, 09:34:42 PM

Quote from: Lemmiwinks on February 21, 2015, 09:31:28 PM

Quote from: jroa on February 21, 2015, 09:27:42 PM

Quote from: Lemmiwinks on February 21, 2015, 09:23:07 PM

So how fast does light go from visible to not visible because of the air?

That would depend on the conditions of the air, would it not?

So you are saying conditions in the air can vary so wildly as to make you unable to give an answer to how quickly a star would go from visible and not visible?

Yes.  Some days, there is a lot of pollen or dust in the air.  Some days, there are profound temperature differences.  Some days, there is very little moisture in the air.  Is all of this new to you?

If I put a camera on a weather balloon and launch it at night, could I see the southern cross from North America?  What happened to you in the fog?  It seems something tramatic is preventing you from seeing.  It is as if you are constantly reassuring yourself that no one saw what happened that damp foggy morning on your way to school.

If you could get a camera high enough, I suppose that you could see the southern cross from North America, whether the Earth is round or flat.

I'm asking about ~90-100k feet, which can be accomplished easily with a weather balloon.  All the flights with video cameras on balloons I've seen have been during the day, would be interesting to see one at night. 

I doubt you would be able to see the southern cross from 100k ft. from NA, whether the Earth is round or flat. 

Sorry guys, most of the replies were made when I was asleep.

So jroa, what do you think about what I said towards the end of my post? How can it be day in one place, but night in another?

Sorry guys, most of the replies were made when I was asleep.

So jroa, what do you think about what I said towards the end of my post? How can it be day in one place, but night in another?

Light can not travel infinitely through air.