Where do your beliefs stem from?

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Where do your beliefs stem from?
« on: February 20, 2015, 09:40:37 AM »
I'm intrigued as to how FE believers came to reach the conclusion that the Earth is flat, particularly as a person that never really questions anything that is accepted as the norm.

When did you start to question the state of the Earth?
Why did you start to question it?
What evidence was it that convinced you?

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hoppy

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Re: Where do your beliefs stem from?
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2015, 05:30:13 PM »
I'm intrigued as to how FE believers came to reach the conclusion that the Earth is flat, particularly as a person that never really questions anything that is accepted as the norm.

When did you start to question the state of the Earth?
Why did you start to question it?
What evidence was it that convinced you?
The 911scam is where it started for me.

Then this book helped me http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/#contents

The book is free online.
God is real.                                         
http://www.scribd.com/doc/9665708/Flat-Earth-Bible-02-of-10-The-Flat-Earth

Re: Where do your beliefs stem from?
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2015, 11:42:20 AM »
The 911scam is where it started for me.

Then this book helped me http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/#contents

The book is free online.

Would you say you are now naturally sceptical over many things or just 911 and a round earth?
What about FE theory specifically interested you then?

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ausGeoff

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Re: Where do your beliefs stem from?
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2015, 09:00:23 PM »
The 911scam is where it started for me.

Then this book helped me http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/#contents

Q1:  Why specifically did the 9/11 incident suddenly make you change your mind about the geometry of the earth?  And why do you claim it was a "scam"?

Q2:  Why do you (apparently) accept 150-year-old pseudoscience as being superior to 21st-century science?

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Re: Where do your beliefs stem from?
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2015, 02:04:19 PM »
The 911scam is where it started for me.

Then this book helped me http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/#contents


Q2:  Why do you (apparently) accept 150-year-old pseudoscience as being superior to 21st-century science?

I guess because web-sites, such as " google earth "  provide real pics of the earth, only when someone makes a zoom (Zones , Quartiers),.... But countries and continents or even the globe itself, always appear as a 3D sculpture  !!!
« Last Edit: February 23, 2015, 02:23:08 PM by mohamed »
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Re: Where do your beliefs stem from?
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2015, 09:05:22 PM »
I'm intrigued as to how FE believers came to reach the conclusion that the Earth is flat, particularly as a person that never really questions anything that is accepted as the norm.

When did you start to question the state of the Earth?
Why did you start to question it?
What evidence was it that convinced you?

I started questioning it about a year ago.  What made me start to question it was, someone dropped some evidence in front of me, that I could go verify, and it was physically impossible if the earth is a spinning ball.

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Re: Where do your beliefs stem from?
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2015, 10:29:31 PM »
I'm intrigued as to how FE believers came to reach the conclusion that the Earth is flat, particularly as a person that never really questions anything that is accepted as the norm.

When did you start to question the state of the Earth?
Why did you start to question it?
What evidence was it that convinced you?

I started questioning it about a year ago.  What made me start to question it was, someone dropped some evidence in front of me, that I could go verify, and it was physically impossible if the earth is a spinning ball.

You really need to elaborate on that a bit, what was that evidence dropped in front of you that you speak of?
I am having a video war with Jeranism.
See the thread about it here.

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mikeman7918

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Re: Where do your beliefs stem from?
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2015, 10:33:40 PM »
The 911scam is where it started for me.

Then this book helped me http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/#contents


Q2:  Why do you (apparently) accept 150-year-old pseudoscience as being superior to 21st-century science?

I guess because web-sites, such as " google earth "  provide real pics of the earth, only when someone makes a zoom (Zones , Quartiers),.... But countries and continents or even the globe itself, always appear as a 3D sculpture  !!!

That makes sense because websites like Google Earth actually are just 3D "sculptures" (the proper term is "models").  It's not like you are seeing the actual Earth in those programs, it's no secret that it's a computer model.  What do you expect?  Do you think that they would somehow make Google Earth only display unaltered photos of Earth?  That would be nearly impossible and very impractical.
I am having a video war with Jeranism.
See the thread about it here.

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Re: Where do your beliefs stem from?
« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2015, 05:57:45 PM »
I'm intrigued as to how FE believers came to reach the conclusion that the Earth is flat, particularly as a person that never really questions anything that is accepted as the norm.

When did you start to question the state of the Earth?
Why did you start to question it?
What evidence was it that convinced you?

I started questioning it about a year ago.  What made me start to question it was, someone dropped some evidence in front of me, that I could go verify, and it was physically impossible if the earth is a spinning ball.

You really need to elaborate on that a bit, what was that evidence dropped in front of you that you speak of?

Actually....no...I don't need to elaborate on it even in the most insignificant hint of an amount.  I answered the question of the thread poster.  Done and done.

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mikeman7918

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Re: Where do your beliefs stem from?
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2015, 11:27:30 AM »
I'm intrigued as to how FE believers came to reach the conclusion that the Earth is flat, particularly as a person that never really questions anything that is accepted as the norm.

When did you start to question the state of the Earth?
Why did you start to question it?
What evidence was it that convinced you?

I started questioning it about a year ago.  What made me start to question it was, someone dropped some evidence in front of me, that I could go verify, and it was physically impossible if the earth is a spinning ball.

You really need to elaborate on that a bit, what was that evidence dropped in front of you that you speak of?

Actually....no...I don't need to elaborate on it even in the most insignificant hint of an amount.  I answered the question of the thread poster.  Done and done.

Ummm...  Ok...  I was just wondering, I wasn't trying to prove anything.
I am having a video war with Jeranism.
See the thread about it here.

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Re: Where do your beliefs stem from?
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2015, 11:33:08 AM »
I'm intrigued as to how FE believers came to reach the conclusion that the Earth is flat, particularly as a person that never really questions anything that is accepted as the norm.

When did you start to question the state of the Earth?
Why did you start to question it?
What evidence was it that convinced you?

The evidence and arguments presented on this very sight are what changed my opinions.  Stick around long enough and the truth starts soaking in. 

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ausGeoff

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Re: Where do your beliefs stem from?
« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2015, 10:28:18 PM »
I started questioning it about a year ago.  What made me start to question it was, someone dropped some evidence in front of me, that I could go verify, and it was physically impossible if the earth is a spinning ball.

Q1:   Could you tell us specifically what that "evidence" was?
Q2:   What were the scientific qualifications of the person who presented this evidence that was apparently so convincing?
Q3:   How exactly did you personally "verify" this so-called evidence?

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Re: Where do your beliefs stem from?
« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2015, 10:59:12 PM »
Q2:   What were the scientific qualifications of the person who presented this evidence that was apparently so convincing?

Question number 2 is spot on as evidence can only be accepted if it comes from qualified God wannabe's, any information from the billions of other plebs is wrong and has definitely not been peer reviewed.

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ausGeoff

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Re: Where do your beliefs stem from?
« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2015, 12:08:59 AM »
Question number 2 is spot on as evidence can only be accepted if it comes from qualified God wannabe's, any information from the billions of other plebs is wrong and has definitely not been peer reviewed.

So... using this logic [sic], if you suddenly experienced a crippling pain in your gut, you'd be happy to seek medical advice from a plumber or an electrician or a sign-writer if they happened to be handy?  You wouldn't bother to call on a doctor of medicine;  you know... the guy with the appropriate qualifications?

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Re: Where do your beliefs stem from?
« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2015, 12:32:29 AM »
Question number 2 is spot on as evidence can only be accepted if it comes from qualified God wannabe's, any information from the billions of other plebs is wrong and has definitely not been peer reviewed.

So... using this logic [sic], if you suddenly experienced a crippling pain in your gut, you'd be happy to seek medical advice from a plumber or an electrician or a sign-writer if they happened to be handy?  You wouldn't bother to call on a doctor of medicine;  you know... the guy with the appropriate qualifications?
I did once, maybe I should have tried the plumber then I could get some money back.

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Re: Where do your beliefs stem from?
« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2015, 03:33:26 AM »
I don't necessarily have a belief system. My system is simply to question everything.
Why?
Well: I used to be like every other person. I was into my work; I came home and done the normal stuff - ate meals, showered, watched the news and went out for a few beverages. You know, that kind of stuff.
The biggest arguments or talking points were simply political or religious, with the odd news item discussed about whatever the days news was.

I accepted it all as it was. I never even give it enough thought to question it in any serious form and I had no reason to go in depth to do so, because my life was taken up with  everyday living, like most others.
Bills and transport, plus working shifts and a lot of thought into my work, mentally.

If someone came up to me and said, "hey they've launched a rocket to mars and are landing a rover." I would say, "it's amazing what they can do in this day and age."

The same as seeing a globe on TV and just accepting it for what I was told. Looking at acclaimed scientists who told us about how we can colonise other planets and such. It didn't require much thought from me. It was a given from early age till that point that it was what they said it was.

If anyone came up to me at that time and told me the world was flat and not a globe, I'd have reacted like people do on here and thought the person was frigging nuts or one of those doomsday predictors. Basically the classic force fed name for those people, being tin foil hat wearing fruit and nut cases, or loners with mental issues.

You see, that wasn't me thinking for myself. That was me simply parroting what mainstream media and other people parroted. I just blindly went along with it because - well - "how silly does it get when people are saying the Earth is flat?" I thought.

It literally takes a person a long time to actually dare to gear his/her mind into even thinking on the smallest level of where the belief that we are being lied to by the very people we've been brought up to put all our faith in.

It's almost like finding out that your parents have been feeding you certain medication to keep you ill whilst they claim money for your illness.
Imagine someone trying to tell you that. You would tell them where to go and to stop trying to blacken your family name. You would back your parents because you would never believe they would be capable of doing anything like that because they have your best interests at heart.
It's just like people think their government and authority in general have their best interests at heart. Most people just accept they do, unconditionally.

Up until about 15 years ago, I believed only one moonlanding had happened. Neil Armstrong was the fore-front of my thoughts.
I didn't even know about the other 5.
The reason was because I didn't give any of it much thought and didn't feel the need to dig into it.

Once I started to have more time on my hands, I started listening to people. I then started to look up stuff; especilly the moonlandings.
It looked dodgy but that's all it did at the time. I saw the footage and it immediately peaked my interest.
I remember listening to Bill Kaysing who worked at rocketdyne. I studied all of what he said, which made things more clearer.
Anyway, not one to simply dive straight in at that time; I had to look at both sides. I used a person like Phil Plait and people like that to give another take on it all.
It started to be come much clearer as to who was making stuff up, just by the way it was being told and the tone it was told in.

As time went on, it simply became clearer and clearer that they never even went at all.
Once I understood this, I started wondering what else we've been lied about. Little did I know that all this stuff would pour down on me like a bucket of stinking fish as to how much we have been lied to.

This is when I came across this site. I looked at it like other's do. I thought it was a spoof site. Just people who were simply playing a game of saying " if you can say it's a globe, we can say it's flat."

I studied what they had to say and at first things made some sense. I still didn't accept it but one thing I did accept was that there was no globe spinning in space.
The trouble is, I believed it was a stationary globe with stars and the sun, etc, going around the Earth. Yeah, that's how naive I still was because my mind was so indoctrinated with the one model, I had to choose an alternative to that spinning one, yet replacing it with something equally as silly, like a non spinning one.

This is where you have to really search your senses. It becomes time to seriously look at stuff and not just dive right in. Question everything. Look for a better fit even if it's simply hypotheses.
The same goes for other stuff put out. Don't just go with one thing. Study through it all and weigh up the actual logic and odds.
Also be aware that there are many theories to one thing Questioned. Some can be genuine hypotheses and some can also appear legitimate but can be nothing more than mis-information by perps who at first appear trustworthy.

I can't 100% trust everyone. There are few that I trust entirely. I would imagine that most do not trust me. I accept that and would expect nothing else, because I could be playing games to other people just as I believe many are to me.

The issue isn't about that though. The issue is about learning to actually think for yourself. To do this you must start from the beginning. You have to literally look for the most common sense answers to the science that is set out on a plate and don't just gobble that up and ask for more.

The next science meal requires you to pick at. It requires you to tease it around that plate until you feel it's worthwhile to put a fork full into your mouth.
If not, then go hungry until you find something worthy of gobbling up that you know will go a long way in satisfying you.

If that meal is bread and butter, then that's where you need to start, because by eating that basic meal, means you can add to it as time goes on, knowing that what you are feeding yourself is a meal that you carefully selected and not one that simply looks delicious and well set out on the plate yet not only costs you a fortune, it may have no real nutritional value.

These are the meals we are being fed by the science world, only the meals are supposedly meals of knowledge that are anything but.

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Re: Where do your beliefs stem from?
« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2015, 06:08:33 AM »
I don't necessarily have a belief system. My system is simply to question everything.
Why?
Well: I used to be like every other person. I was into my work; I came home and done the normal stuff - ate meals, showered, watched the news and went out for a few beverages. You know, that kind of stuff.
The biggest arguments or talking points were simply political or religious, with the odd news item discussed about whatever the days news was.

I accepted it all as it was. I never even give it enough thought to question it in any serious form and I had no reason to go in depth to do so, because my life was taken up with  everyday living, like most others.
Bills and transport, plus working shifts and a lot of thought into my work, mentally.

If someone came up to me and said, "hey they've launched a rocket to mars and are landing a rover." I would say, "it's amazing what they can do in this day and age."

The same as seeing a globe on TV and just accepting it for what I was told. Looking at acclaimed scientists who told us about how we can colonise other planets and such. It didn't require much thought from me. It was a given from early age till that point that it was what they said it was.

If anyone came up to me at that time and told me the world was flat and not a globe, I'd have reacted like people do on here and thought the person was frigging nuts or one of those doomsday predictors. Basically the classic force fed name for those people, being tin foil hat wearing fruit and nut cases, or loners with mental issues.

You see, that wasn't me thinking for myself. That was me simply parroting what mainstream media and other people parroted. I just blindly went along with it because - well - "how silly does it get when people are saying the Earth is flat?" I thought.

It literally takes a person a long time to actually dare to gear his/her mind into even thinking on the smallest level of where the belief that we are being lied to by the very people we've been brought up to put all our faith in.

It's almost like finding out that your parents have been feeding you certain medication to keep you ill whilst they claim money for your illness.
Imagine someone trying to tell you that. You would tell them where to go and to stop trying to blacken your family name. You would back your parents because you would never believe they would be capable of doing anything like that because they have your best interests at heart.
It's just like people think their government and authority in general have their best interests at heart. Most people just accept they do, unconditionally.

Up until about 15 years ago, I believed only one moonlanding had happened. Neil Armstrong was the fore-front of my thoughts.
I didn't even know about the other 5.
The reason was because I didn't give any of it much thought and didn't feel the need to dig into it.

Once I started to have more time on my hands, I started listening to people. I then started to look up stuff; especilly the moonlandings.
It looked dodgy but that's all it did at the time. I saw the footage and it immediately peaked my interest.
I remember listening to Bill Kaysing who worked at rocketdyne. I studied all of what he said, which made things more clearer.
Anyway, not one to simply dive straight in at that time; I had to look at both sides. I used a person like Phil Plait and people like that to give another take on it all.
It started to be come much clearer as to who was making stuff up, just by the way it was being told and the tone it was told in.

As time went on, it simply became clearer and clearer that they never even went at all.
Once I understood this, I started wondering what else we've been lied about. Little did I know that all this stuff would pour down on me like a bucket of stinking fish as to how much we have been lied to.

This is when I came across this site. I looked at it like other's do. I thought it was a spoof site. Just people who were simply playing a game of saying " if you can say it's a globe, we can say it's flat."

I studied what they had to say and at first things made some sense. I still didn't accept it but one thing I did accept was that there was no globe spinning in space.
The trouble is, I believed it was a stationary globe with stars and the sun, etc, going around the Earth. Yeah, that's how naive I still was because my mind was so indoctrinated with the one model, I had to choose an alternative to that spinning one, yet replacing it with something equally as silly, like a non spinning one.

This is where you have to really search your senses. It becomes time to seriously look at stuff and not just dive right in. Question everything. Look for a better fit even if it's simply hypotheses.
The same goes for other stuff put out. Don't just go with one thing. Study through it all and weigh up the actual logic and odds.
Also be aware that there are many theories to one thing Questioned. Some can be genuine hypotheses and some can also appear legitimate but can be nothing more than mis-information by perps who at first appear trustworthy.

I can't 100% trust everyone. There are few that I trust entirely. I would imagine that most do not trust me. I accept that and would expect nothing else, because I could be playing games to other people just as I believe many are to me.

The issue isn't about that though. The issue is about learning to actually think for yourself. To do this you must start from the beginning. You have to literally look for the most common sense answers to the science that is set out on a plate and don't just gobble that up and ask for more.

The next science meal requires you to pick at. It requires you to tease it around that plate until you feel it's worthwhile to put a fork full into your mouth.
If not, then go hungry until you find something worthy of gobbling up that you know will go a long way in satisfying you.

If that meal is bread and butter, then that's where you need to start, because by eating that basic meal, means you can add to it as time goes on, knowing that what you are feeding yourself is a meal that you carefully selected and not one that simply looks delicious and well set out on the plate yet not only costs you a fortune, it may have no real nutritional value.

These are the meals we are being fed by the science world, only the meals are supposedly meals of knowledge that are anything but.

What an unmitigated load of old bollocks this is!  As I've suggested before sceptimatic, you may be able to become a real millionaire—rather than the one you imagine yourself to be—by writing and publishing children's story books.  I just can't believe that somebody can actually write so much about so little LOL.

Your quaint little homilies disguised as meaningful thought processes mean virtually nothing in any real world scenario.  You also obviously fancy yourself as some sort of modern-day philosopher, generously endowing us with all your worldly wisdom.  When the truth of the matter is that you're simply—to put it politely—full of bullshit.

Sorry.    8)

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Re: Where do your beliefs stem from?
« Reply #17 on: February 28, 2015, 07:04:07 AM »
Q&A is reserved for genuine flat-earth questions and answers. 

Re: Where do your beliefs stem from?
« Reply #18 on: February 28, 2015, 12:35:39 PM »

I started questioning it about a year ago.  What made me start to question it was, someone dropped some evidence in front of me, that I could go verify, and it was physically impossible if the earth is a spinning ball.

You really need to elaborate on that a bit, what was that evidence dropped in front of you that you speak of?

Actually....no...I don't need to elaborate on it even in the most insignificant hint of an amount.  I answered the question of the thread poster.  Done and done.

I would actually be interested in what evidence it was though  :)