circumpolar stars

Quote from: Vauxhall on February 20, 2015, 10:18:35 AM

Quote from: mikeman7918 on February 20, 2015, 10:15:09 AM

Quote from: Vauxhall on February 20, 2015, 10:07:09 AM

I don't have any direct evidence of aether, just like you do not have direct evidence of gravity.

There may not be an explenation for gravity, but it has plenty of evidence.  Gravity is very important in space travel and Newtonian laws of motion and gravity have been proven time and time again whenever a space craft maneuvers in space.  I know that you think that NASA is faking it, but there is not any evidence to support that claim that I have seen.

Please list the direct evidence for gravity. I know you haven't seen it, and you don't feel it. So where is it? How do you know gravity is a real thing?

I see things fall and I feel a force holding me to the ground.

Quote from: mikeman7918 on February 20, 2015, 11:04:14 AM

Quote from: Vauxhall on February 20, 2015, 10:18:35 AM

Quote from: mikeman7918 on February 20, 2015, 10:15:09 AM

Quote from: Vauxhall on February 20, 2015, 10:07:09 AM

I don't have any direct evidence of aether, just like you do not have direct evidence of gravity.

There may not be an explenation for gravity, but it has plenty of evidence.  Gravity is very important in space travel and Newtonian laws of motion and gravity have been proven time and time again whenever a space craft maneuvers in space.  I know that you think that NASA is faking it, but there is not any evidence to support that claim that I have seen.

Please list the direct evidence for gravity. I know you haven't seen it, and you don't feel it. So where is it? How do you know gravity is a real thing?

I see things fall and I feel a force holding me to the ground.

That's UA.


You have no direct evidence of gravity.

That's UA.

Quote from: Vauxhall on February 20, 2015, 11:06:10 AM

That's UA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_Probe_B

Are you suggesting that it's gravity?

Like I've stated many times before. You have no direct evidence for gravity. Until there;s direct evidence for gravity is it just a weak flimsy theory.

Quote from: Dinosaur Neil on February 20, 2015, 10:21:30 AM

Quote from: Vauxhall on February 20, 2015, 10:18:35 AM

Quote from: mikeman7918 on February 20, 2015, 10:15:09 AM

Quote from: Vauxhall on February 20, 2015, 10:07:09 AM

I don't have any direct evidence of aether, just like you do not have direct evidence of gravity.

There may not be an explenation for gravity, but it has plenty of evidence.  Gravity is very important in space travel and Newtonian laws of motion and gravity have been proven time and time again whenever a space craft maneuvers in space.  I know that you think that NASA is faking it, but there is not any evidence to support that claim that I have seen.

Please list the direct evidence for gravity. I know you haven't seen it, and you don't feel it. So where is it? How do you know gravity is a real thing?

You do feel it. When it isn't present you get the sensation of falling.

You made me look.


But really, 'gravity' is always present on Earth. You have no way of backing this statement up. Please don't respond to questions you don't have the answers to. You might as well have just posted a slew of racial slurs, that would have been about as relevant.

I'm not saying anything. You're the one insisting that, out of everything, it must be UA, not gravity. Please support your claims.

You'll reject any evidence we give as UA, or celestial gravitation, or whatever else you want to come up with. That's no standard by which to talk.

I forgot, FErs dont accept direct measured evidence of gravity. Sorry.

Quote from: mikeman7918 on February 20, 2015, 11:04:14 AM

Quote from: Vauxhall on February 20, 2015, 10:18:35 AM

Quote from: mikeman7918 on February 20, 2015, 10:15:09 AM

Quote from: Vauxhall on February 20, 2015, 10:07:09 AM

I don't have any direct evidence of aether, just like you do not have direct evidence of gravity.

There may not be an explenation for gravity, but it has plenty of evidence.  Gravity is very important in space travel and Newtonian laws of motion and gravity have been proven time and time again whenever a space craft maneuvers in space.  I know that you think that NASA is faking it, but there is not any evidence to support that claim that I have seen.

Please list the direct evidence for gravity. I know you haven't seen it, and you don't feel it. So where is it? How do you know gravity is a real thing?

I see things fall and I feel a force holding me to the ground.

That's UA.


You have no direct evidence of gravity.

If you have no direct evidence for gravity, then please say so.

Quote from: Vauxhall on February 20, 2015, 11:16:26 AM

If you have no direct evidence for gravity, then please say so.

Quote from: Vauxhall on February 20, 2015, 11:38:38 AM

Quote from: Vauxhall on February 20, 2015, 11:16:26 AM

If you have no direct evidence for gravity, then please say so.

I don't have any evidence that can't be explained away by a persistent flat eartger who insists that there is a masive conspiracy.

Quote from: mikeman7918 on February 20, 2015, 11:54:35 AM

Quote from: Vauxhall on February 20, 2015, 11:38:38 AM

Quote from: Vauxhall on February 20, 2015, 11:16:26 AM

If you have no direct evidence for gravity, then please say so.

I don't have any evidence that can't be explained away by a persistent flat eartger who insists that there is a masive conspiracy.

Direct evidence could not be explained by a conspiracy. The fact that you do not have direct evidence is the reason why it's easy to dismiss your claims. You do know what 'direct evidence' means, right?

Tides? Working with your theory of gravity here, the Sun and Moon disc have a slight 'gravitational' pull. The stars also have a slight pull. This causes tides.

I am asking for direct evidence of gravity. If you do not have direct evidence for gravity, please say so.

There is plenty of direct evidence that my cat (Digit) exists. I can touch him. I can hear him. I can see him. That's more than you can say for gravity.

Quote from: Vauxhall on February 20, 2015, 12:23:32 PM

There is plenty of direct evidence that my cat (Digit) exists. I can touch him. I can hear him. I can see him. That's more than you can say for gravity.

Prove it. I say it's all simply a hallucination you're having. Audio and visual hallucinations are well-known, and tactile hallucinations exist. Anyone who you think corroborates your story is either also a hallucination, or finds it hilarious that you think you have a cat. The latter group of people are also responsible for any physical actions Digit does.
Prove me wrong. They're just two competing hypotheses.

All we can observe, of anything, is consequences. Consequences can have many possible causes: direct evidence, as you define it, does not exist. It's just a matter of sorting out the most likely explanation.

Quote from: BiJane on February 20, 2015, 12:27:20 PM

Quote from: Vauxhall on February 20, 2015, 12:23:32 PM

There is plenty of direct evidence that my cat (Digit) exists. I can touch him. I can hear him. I can see him. That's more than you can say for gravity.

Prove it. I say it's all simply a hallucination you're having. Audio and visual hallucinations are well-known, and tactile hallucinations exist. Anyone who you think corroborates your story is either also a hallucination, or finds it hilarious that you think you have a cat. The latter group of people are also responsible for any physical actions Digit does.
Prove me wrong. They're just two competing hypotheses.

All we can observe, of anything, is consequences. Consequences can have many possible causes: direct evidence, as you define it, does not exist. It's just a matter of sorting out the most likely explanation.

You're making a strawman argument here. If you really want me to prove it to you then PM me. I will give you my address and you can come over to my home and pet him yourself. It is easily provable provided you put in the effort. Gravity is not so easy to prove.

Please try to stay on topic. I am not claiming that anyone here is delusional. That is completely irrelevant. You are being disingenuous with your assertions, and it's unprofessional to say the least. You have no direct evidence of gravity so you are now resorting to "you're crazy your cat does not exist" as if that is comparable at all to gravity or what we are even talking about. I will not debate with you unless you stay on topic, BiJane.

You're making a strawman argument here. If you really want me to prove it to you then PM me. I will give you my address and you can come over to my home and pet him yourself. It is easily provable provided you put in the effort. Gravity is not so easy to prove.

Please try to stay on topic. I am not claiming that anyone here is delusional. That is completely irrelevant. You are being disingenuous with your assertions, and it's unprofessional to say the least. You have no direct evidence of gravity so you are now resorting to "you're crazy your cat does not exist" as if that is comparable at all to gravity or what we are even talking about. I will not debate with you unless you stay on topic, BiJane.

Tides? Working with your theory of gravity here, the Sun and Moon disc have a slight 'gravitational' pull. The stars also have a slight pull. This causes tides.

Tides are not direct evidence of gravity though. These are just working theories that are just as valid as Space Monkey Sam causing the big bang by accidentally time hopping to the past and blowing out one of his engines causing a chain reaction of explosions leading to the big bang.

I am asking for direct evidence of gravity. If you do not have direct evidence for gravity, please say so.

We know things exist by the effect they have on the world. That is the only way we know things exist: that is direct evidence. You can always choose alternative explanations, but are they really more likely? the onus is on you to show that.

And you (falsely) accuse us for only taking gravity into account when it's convenient...  You call gravity fake but then the moment I bring up direct evidence of gravity you say that "the Sun and Moon disc have a slight 'gravitational' pull", which is basically saying "well that is an exception, gravity only exists when it's convenient for me".  Also, tides occur on opposite sides of the Earth, one high tide is when the Moon is over head and the other is when the Moon is over the opposite side of the Earth.  If the Earth were flat then just imagine where the high and low tides would be and tell me how that would be possible if it were caused by the Moon's gravity.

These are just working theories that are just as valid as Space Monkey Sam causing the big bang by accidentally time hopping to the past and blowing out one of his engines causing a chain reaction of explosions leading to the big bang.

You haven't proven anything. I assure you that direct evidence is a thing, and it's not "meaningless". You have no direct evidence of gravity. Any "evidence" that you have is not "direct evidence". Your idea that the sun and moon are held in orbit because of gravity is a scientific fallacy if you're basing this simply on how the Sun and Moon look in the sky or tides. You have not proven that it is gravity that is responsbile for these things. UA could also be responsible, so could Invisible Crookeedon holding up the planets. How would you know the difference?

I agree with this except for the fact that you say it's "direct evidence". Do you honestly think tides or seeing something in the sky proves an invisible force is responsible for it all? Really? Do you not see the huge leap in logic here? I'm sorry to have to do this to you, BiJane... but I'm going to have to use the roll eyes: 

Please drop this whole cat point as well. It's making you look desperate. You're obviously fumbling here.

Tides and the Sun and moon do prove something is responsible for them being there.

Quote from: mikeman7918 on February 20, 2015, 12:46:33 PM

And you (falsely) accuse us for only taking gravity into account when it's convenient...  You call gravity fake but then the moment I bring up direct evidence of gravity you say that "the Sun and Moon disc have a slight 'gravitational' pull", which is basically saying "well that is an exception, gravity only exists when it's convenient for me".  Also, tides occur on opposite sides of the Earth, one high tide is when the Moon is over head and the other is when the Moon is over the opposite side of the Earth.  If the Earth were flat then just imagine where the high and low tides would be and tell me how that would be possible if it were caused by the Moon's gravity.

I also included this bit that you seemed to ignore:

Quote from: Vauxhall on February 20, 2015, 12:17:58 PM

These are just working theories that are just as valid as Space Monkey Sam causing the big bang by accidentally time hopping to the past and blowing out one of his engines causing a chain reaction of explosions leading to the big bang.

What this means it that while I did use gravity to explain the tides; I didn't say that it was direct evidence of gravity, and I certainly didn't say I was right. I simply made the statement that: this could be possible. I'm not going to jump from that to "IT'S CERTAINLY A FACT!" like you because there is no direct evidence. What is so hard to understand here??

You're right. But it doesn't prove beyond a doubt that gravity that is responsible. That's where you're fumbling.

And BiJane, the invitation to come over to my home is always open. Digit will be waiting for you. I will have ID, my IP, and evidence that Vauxhall is my username when you come over. Until then, please drop the cat point. It is a strawman argument and it is very very bad form. It just makes you look desperate, like I've said.

BiJane, you are making a strawman argument. Google it if you have to.

There is no direct evidence for gravity. Just admit this simple fact. Why is this so hard?

FET explains all these points. You just don't accept the explanations. Just as we don't accept the RE explanations. We are not so different. And you still have no direct evidence of gravity.