why we know the earth is flat

We can be sure that the earth is flat because of four reasons.

1. Look out your window, do you see a sphere? You're talking out your ass if you think there's a flat surface on a sphere, there's not. Go pick up an apple, let me know when you find one with a flat surface on.

2. The conspiracy. It exists, the number of NASA whistleblowers (jfgi) confirms that. They have to be hiding something.

3. round earther science is bs. Once the earth was a sphere, now it's some oblate whatever, then it's tilted on its axis. You keep changing stuff and making it up try to escape the unavoidable truth. Ancient people knew the earth was flat, let's stick with the view that hasn't changed. shall we?

4. even round earth science confirms a flat earth. Everything in the universe is accelerating away from the site of the big bang. Universal acceleration, bingo. if universal acceleration exists, matter will be pushed along on it. There's no opportunity for it to push back and form a sphere, it ends up a disc. Try it sometime. Pour sugar out onto your worktop, push it along, let me know when it ends up a sphere or oblate whatever.

The earth is flat, deal with it.

This is in the wrong forum. But I suppose I'll adress these things.=

1. If you're on a massive, massive sphere, it will appear flat. And the fact that boats sink, and that I have seen 2 sunrises in 10 minutes, and that the horizon is curved.

2. Please provide a full list of evidence to this claim, and get back to me. Don't be a scepti.

3. An oblate spheroid. They are almost the same thing. We use the word "sphere" loosely. An oblate spheroid is something close to a sphere, but not perfectly round. The mass of the earth bends it so it's not perfect.

4. You forget gravity is affecting that sugar. You're making idiotic simplifications of something as big as the earth, which was formed with minimal gravity. A sphere is the easiest form for matter to take.

The earth is round, provide evidence or you're wrong. Do not be a scepti

you're wrong.

1. still no flat surface on a sphere. doesn't work like that.

2. Here you go

3. so you still try and act like constantly changing your mind is a good thing.

4. gravity isn't going to matter, everything is being pushed by universal acceleration. How does it keep managing to go backwards and forwards in a curved fashion? It'll be flattened. gravity's bs anyway. It's curved spacetime now, apparently. Another change, and apparently that causes gravity when there's no force acting on it.

No clue what a scepti is. I just joined. same for forum, meant this to go in debate.

Explain sunrise and sunset at different times of day in different places.

you're wrong.

1. still no flat surface on a sphere. doesn't work like that.

2. Here you go

3. so you still try and act like constantly changing your mind is a good thing.

4. gravity isn't going to matter, everything is being pushed by universal acceleration. How does it keep managing to go backwards and forwards in a curved fashion? It'll be flattened. gravity's bs anyway. It's curved spacetime now, apparently. Another change, and apparently that causes gravity when there's no force acting on it.

No clue what a scepti is. I just joined. same for forum, meant this to go in debate.

1. It appears flat. Sceptimatic is somebody who has never posted any evidence to their claims.
2. I find conspiracy theories with no evidence to them.
3. No, they just use the terms "oblate spheroid" and "sphere" as synonyms when talking casually, because "oblate spheroid" is harder to say and type.
4. No, it's still gravity, it's just a new understanding of it.

We can be sure that the earth is flat because of four reasons.

1. Look out your window, do you see a sphere? You're talking out your ass if you think there's a flat surface on a sphere, there's not. Go pick up an apple, let me know when you find one with a flat surface on.

2. The conspiracy. It exists, the number of NASA whistleblowers (jfgi) confirms that. They have to be hiding something.

3. round earther science is bs. Once the earth was a sphere, now it's some oblate whatever, then it's tilted on its axis. You keep changing stuff and making it up try to escape the unavoidable truth. Ancient people knew the earth was flat, let's stick with the view that hasn't changed. shall we?

4. even round earth science confirms a flat earth. Everything in the universe is accelerating away from the site of the big bang. Universal acceleration, bingo. if universal acceleration exists, matter will be pushed along on it. There's no opportunity for it to push back and form a sphere, it ends up a disc. Try it sometime. Pour sugar out onto your worktop, push it along, let me know when it ends up a sphere or oblate whatever.

The earth is flat, deal with it.

1. I see exactly what I'd expect to see on a massive sphere or torus. If you think this isn't the case then please clarify how what we see doesn't look like a massive sphere or torus.
2. There is no evidence for a conspiracy. If you think there is, please clarify with some evidence that is not supported solely by circular logic (e.g. the earth is flat therefore the conspiracy has to exist).
3. I'd say the ancient Greeks were pretty ancient and they believed earth was round. Nobody has ever claimed it was an exact sphere.
4. You posted nothing that makes logical sense in that paragraph.

There is no evidence for a conspiracy.

Ahhhhhh,
The famous cry of the REer.
"There are no conspiracies, none, never have been" (only on this forum though, outside of this forum REers  believe in conspiracies)
According to REers on this forum everything your leaders say is true.
So "Come on everybody come and getcha needle, ya don't wanna catch a flu, caus we care bout your wellbeing"

Oh you're one of those "vaccines are fake" people? That's hilarious. Show us some real evidence sweety

Quote from: Dinosaur Neil on February 14, 2015, 02:23:34 PM

There is no evidence for a conspiracy.

Ahhhhhh,
The famous cry of the REer.
"There are no conspiracies, none, never have been" (only on this forum though, outside of this forum REers  believe in conspiracies)
According to REers on this forum everything your leaders say is true.
So "Come on everybody come and getcha needle, ya don't wanna catch a flu, caus we care bout your wellbeing"

Would you like to reinsert the bit of my post you edited out, where I welcome the presentation of evidence to prove me wrong? Or do you (like Vauxhall) think my original post becomes invisible when you quote it?

Oh you're one of those "vaccines are fake" people? That's hilarious. Show us some real evidence sweety

I don't recall stating vaccines are fake. Show us some real evidence they do work sweety.

Quote from: kman on February 14, 2015, 05:04:42 PM

Oh you're one of those "vaccines are fake" people? That's hilarious. Show us some real evidence sweety

I don't recall stating vaccines are fake. Show us some real evidence they do work sweety.

Polio eradication. Sweety.

Nah, there are no fake vaccines are there, You clowns.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/lasting-fallout-fake-vaccination-programs/story?id=23795483

Nah, there are no fake vaccines are there, You clowns.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/lasting-fallout-fake-vaccination-programs/story?id=23795483

http://m.france24.com/en/20130526-french-customs-seize-biggest-haul-fake-medecine-ever-france-eu/

Oh shit tappet, using your logic aspirin is fake too!

Quote from: tappet on February 15, 2015, 01:33:50 AM

Nah, there are no fake vaccines are there, You clowns.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/lasting-fallout-fake-vaccination-programs/story?id=23795483

http://m.france24.com/en/20130526-french-customs-seize-biggest-haul-fake-medecine-ever-france-eu/

Oh shit tappet, using your logic aspirin is fake too!

Err, what's your point.
If the aspirin is fake, then what is it we are supposed to be ingesting?
Using your logic, you would  swallow anything.

Quote from: Lemmiwinks on February 15, 2015, 01:42:09 AM

Quote from: tappet on February 15, 2015, 01:33:50 AM

Nah, there are no fake vaccines are there, You clowns.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/lasting-fallout-fake-vaccination-programs/story?id=23795483

http://m.france24.com/en/20130526-french-customs-seize-biggest-haul-fake-medecine-ever-france-eu/

Oh shit tappet, using your logic aspirin is fake too!

Err, what's your point.
If the aspirin is fake, then what is it we are supposed to be ingesting?
Using your logic, you would  swallow anything.

What the fuckty fuck are you on about?

1. It appears flat. Sceptimatic is somebody who has never posted any evidence to their claims.
2. I find conspiracy theories with no evidence to them.
3. No, they just use the terms "oblate spheroid" and "sphere" as synonyms when talking casually, because "oblate spheroid" is harder to say and type.
4. No, it's still gravity, it's just a new understanding of it.

1. the earth seems flat, and there is no such thing as a flat surface on a sphere. that's all that needs to be said.
2. try having an open mind for once, are you seriously saying that something so many people agree with must be a lie? nasa is bs, everyone knows that.
3.
4. not the point. everything in the universe is being accelerated away from the center, it's not going to be able to make a sphere. it definitely isn't if your only explanation is magic.

Quote from: JRoweSkeptic on February 14, 2015, 12:53:22 PM

We can be sure that the earth is flat because of four reasons.

1. Look out your window, do you see a sphere? You're talking out your ass if you think there's a flat surface on a sphere, there's not. Go pick up an apple, let me know when you find one with a flat surface on.

2. The conspiracy. It exists, the number of NASA whistleblowers (jfgi) confirms that. They have to be hiding something.

3. round earther science is bs. Once the earth was a sphere, now it's some oblate whatever, then it's tilted on its axis. You keep changing stuff and making it up try to escape the unavoidable truth. Ancient people knew the earth was flat, let's stick with the view that hasn't changed. shall we?

4. even round earth science confirms a flat earth. Everything in the universe is accelerating away from the site of the big bang. Universal acceleration, bingo. if universal acceleration exists, matter will be pushed along on it. There's no opportunity for it to push back and form a sphere, it ends up a disc. Try it sometime. Pour sugar out onto your worktop, push it along, let me know when it ends up a sphere or oblate whatever.

The earth is flat, deal with it.

1. I see exactly what I'd expect to see on a massive sphere or torus. If you think this isn't the case then please clarify how what we see doesn't look like a massive sphere or torus.
2. There is no evidence for a conspiracy. If you think there is, please clarify with some evidence that is not supported solely by circular logic (e.g. the earth is flat therefore the conspiracy has to exist).
3. I'd say the ancient Greeks were pretty ancient and they believed earth was round. Nobody has ever claimed it was an exact sphere.
4. You posted nothing that makes logical sense in that paragraph.

1. torus, what the hell? you don't. there are no flat surfaces on a sphere. try looking at one.
2. nasa has been exposed plenty of times, jfgi. the only reasons we have to think the earth is round have all been discredited. scientists are after money and grants, nasa are after funds.
4. try learning to read. everything in the universe accelerates away from the center, matter can't become a sphere when it's being pushed. we know universal acceleration exists, and it isn't going to give a sphere.

Quote from: Misero on February 14, 2015, 01:25:32 PM

1. It appears flat. Sceptimatic is somebody who has never posted any evidence to their claims.
2. I find conspiracy theories with no evidence to them.
3. No, they just use the terms "oblate spheroid" and "sphere" as synonyms when talking casually, because "oblate spheroid" is harder to say and type.
4. No, it's still gravity, it's just a new understanding of it.

1. the earth seems flat, and there is no such thing as a flat surface on a sphere. that's all that needs to be said.
2. try having an open mind for once, are you seriously saying that something so many people agree with must be a lie? nasa is bs, everyone knows that.
3.
4. not the point. everything in the universe is being accelerated away from the center, it's not going to be able to make a sphere. it definitely isn't if your only explanation is magic.

Before we continue, can we have a moderator move this to general? OK, after that:
1. I never said it was flat, I said it appears flat at massive standards.
2. A full list of evidence that does not involve a conspiracy is needed. That google search came up with aliens, and supposed NASA shills 'coming clean', with no records of them to be found.
3. You're pretending there's a noticeable amount of friction in a near vaccum(unless vaccums are a conspiracy), and that there is no force acting upon it. Also, somehow instead of dispersing on your infinite energy(second law of thermodynamics broken) it becomes a flat plane. Conduct an experiment that does not involve 'looking out your window' to prove the earth is flat and I'll believe you. Step up or shut up.

Quote from: JRoweSkeptic on February 15, 2015, 07:20:20 AM

Quote from: Misero on February 14, 2015, 01:25:32 PM

1. It appears flat. Sceptimatic is somebody who has never posted any evidence to their claims.
2. I find conspiracy theories with no evidence to them.
3. No, they just use the terms "oblate spheroid" and "sphere" as synonyms when talking casually, because "oblate spheroid" is harder to say and type.
4. No, it's still gravity, it's just a new understanding of it.

1. the earth seems flat, and there is no such thing as a flat surface on a sphere. that's all that needs to be said.
2. try having an open mind for once, are you seriously saying that something so many people agree with must be a lie? nasa is bs, everyone knows that.
3.
4. not the point. everything in the universe is being accelerated away from the center, it's not going to be able to make a sphere. it definitely isn't if your only explanation is magic.

Before we continue, can we have a moderator move this to general? OK, after that:
1. I never said it was flat, I said it appears flat at massive standards.
2. A full list of evidence that does not involve a conspiracy is needed. That google search came up with aliens, and supposed NASA shills 'coming clean', with no records of them to be found.
3. You're pretending there's a noticeable amount of friction in a near vaccum(unless vaccums are a conspiracy), and that there is no force acting upon it. Also, somehow instead of dispersing on your infinite energy(second law of thermodynamics broken) it becomes a flat plane. Conduct an experiment that does not involve 'looking out your window' to prove the earth is flat and I'll believe you. Step up or shut up.

1. how can you ever see a flat surface on a sphere? how can you think that?
2. you can't pretend nasa don't lie, or that scientists are't just after money. prove that there is no conspiracy.
3. there is a force acting on it: acceleration. the acceleration away from the center. how are you still pretending that will create a sphere? I have given an experiment. Push sugar or flour along your worktop, you'll find it ends up flat because a force acting in one direction will not create a sphere. you conduct an experiment that shows the earth is round rather than acting like moneygrabbing scientists and thieves are the greatest truth.

Quote from: Misero on February 15, 2015, 07:29:33 AM

Quote from: JRoweSkeptic on February 15, 2015, 07:20:20 AM

Quote from: Misero on February 14, 2015, 01:25:32 PM

1. It appears flat. Sceptimatic is somebody who has never posted any evidence to their claims.
2. I find conspiracy theories with no evidence to them.
3. No, they just use the terms "oblate spheroid" and "sphere" as synonyms when talking casually, because "oblate spheroid" is harder to say and type.
4. No, it's still gravity, it's just a new understanding of it.

1. the earth seems flat, and there is no such thing as a flat surface on a sphere. that's all that needs to be said.
2. try having an open mind for once, are you seriously saying that something so many people agree with must be a lie? nasa is bs, everyone knows that.
3.
4. not the point. everything in the universe is being accelerated away from the center, it's not going to be able to make a sphere. it definitely isn't if your only explanation is magic.

Before we continue, can we have a moderator move this to general? OK, after that:
1. I never said it was flat, I said it appears flat at massive standards.
2. A full list of evidence that does not involve a conspiracy is needed. That google search came up with aliens, and supposed NASA shills 'coming clean', with no records of them to be found.
3. You're pretending there's a noticeable amount of friction in a near vaccum(unless vaccums are a conspiracy), and that there is no force acting upon it. Also, somehow instead of dispersing on your infinite energy(second law of thermodynamics broken) it becomes a flat plane. Conduct an experiment that does not involve 'looking out your window' to prove the earth is flat and I'll believe you. Step up or shut up.

1. how can you ever see a flat surface on a sphere? how can you think that?
2. you can't pretend nasa don't lie, or that scientists are't just after money. prove that there is no conspiracy.

The curvature is so miniscule compared to your limited perspective that you cannot notice it without trying really hard.

Quote from: Misero on February 15, 2015, 07:29:33 AM

Quote from: JRoweSkeptic on February 15, 2015, 07:20:20 AM

Quote from: Misero on February 14, 2015, 01:25:32 PM

1. It appears flat. Sceptimatic is somebody who has never posted any evidence to their claims.
2. I find conspiracy theories with no evidence to them.
3. No, they just use the terms "oblate spheroid" and "sphere" as synonyms when talking casually, because "oblate spheroid" is harder to say and type.
4. No, it's still gravity, it's just a new understanding of it.

1. the earth seems flat, and there is no such thing as a flat surface on a sphere. that's all that needs to be said.
2. try having an open mind for once, are you seriously saying that something so many people agree with must be a lie? nasa is bs, everyone knows that.
3.
4. not the point. everything in the universe is being accelerated away from the center, it's not going to be able to make a sphere. it definitely isn't if your only explanation is magic.

Before we continue, can we have a moderator move this to general? OK, after that:
1. I never said it was flat, I said it appears flat at massive standards.
2. A full list of evidence that does not involve a conspiracy is needed. That google search came up with aliens, and supposed NASA shills 'coming clean', with no records of them to be found.
3. You're pretending there's a noticeable amount of friction in a near vaccum(unless vaccums are a conspiracy), and that there is no force acting upon it. Also, somehow instead of dispersing on your infinite energy(second law of thermodynamics broken) it becomes a flat plane. Conduct an experiment that does not involve 'looking out your window' to prove the earth is flat and I'll believe you. Step up or shut up.

1. how can you ever see a flat surface on a sphere? how can you think that?
2. you can't pretend nasa don't lie, or that scientists are't just after money. prove that there is no conspiracy.
3. there is a force acting on it: acceleration. the acceleration away from the center. how are you still pretending that will create a sphere? I have given an experiment. Push sugar or flour along your worktop, you'll find it ends up flat because a force acting in one direction will not create a sphere. you conduct an experiment that shows the earth is round rather than acting like moneygrabbing scientists and thieves are the greatest truth.

1: A sphere doesn't have any perfectly flat surfaces, but if the sphere is big enough then you can have surfaces that are pretty darn close to bring flat.

2: I for one thing that there is certainly something fishy going on with many governments, but the thing about science is that it is trustworthy because it can be verified.

3: the sugar on the table example is flawed because friction is what keeps the sugar stationary, if the sugar is free falling without the table there then it is still being pushed by gravity but it will will still float around and it will even clump together and form spheres of it's free falling for long enough.  Also, if you law the sugar on a completely frictionless table then the sugar will move around and clump together just like what happens in space.

Mikeman, this is not a debate forum. 

CrabbyJim, you will get a time out the next time you use inappropriate language in the upper fora. 

Mikeman, this is not a debate forum. 

CrabbyJim, you will get a time out the next time you use inappropriate language in the upper fora.

Maybe you should move this to FE debate then.  This thread hardly contains any FE questions and answers.

Quote from: Dinosaur Neil on February 14, 2015, 02:23:34 PM

Quote from: JRoweSkeptic on February 14, 2015, 12:53:22 PM

We can be sure that the earth is flat because of four reasons.

1. Look out your window, do you see a sphere? You're talking out your ass if you think there's a flat surface on a sphere, there's not. Go pick up an apple, let me know when you find one with a flat surface on.

2. The conspiracy. It exists, the number of NASA whistleblowers (jfgi) confirms that. They have to be hiding something.

3. round earther science is bs. Once the earth was a sphere, now it's some oblate whatever, then it's tilted on its axis. You keep changing stuff and making it up try to escape the unavoidable truth. Ancient people knew the earth was flat, let's stick with the view that hasn't changed. shall we?

4. even round earth science confirms a flat earth. Everything in the universe is accelerating away from the site of the big bang. Universal acceleration, bingo. if universal acceleration exists, matter will be pushed along on it. There's no opportunity for it to push back and form a sphere, it ends up a disc. Try it sometime. Pour sugar out onto your worktop, push it along, let me know when it ends up a sphere or oblate whatever.

The earth is flat, deal with it.

1. I see exactly what I'd expect to see on a massive sphere or torus. If you think this isn't the case then please clarify how what we see doesn't look like a massive sphere or torus.
2. There is no evidence for a conspiracy. If you think there is, please clarify with some evidence that is not supported solely by circular logic (e.g. the earth is flat therefore the conspiracy has to exist).
3. I'd say the ancient Greeks were pretty ancient and they believed earth was round. Nobody has ever claimed it was an exact sphere.
4. You posted nothing that makes logical sense in that paragraph.

1. torus, what the hell? you don't. there are no flat surfaces on a sphere. try looking at one.
2. nasa has been exposed plenty of times, jfgi. the only reasons we have to think the earth is round have all been discredited. scientists are after money and grants, nasa are after funds.
4. try learning to read. everything in the universe accelerates away from the center, matter can't become a sphere when it's being pushed. we know universal acceleration exists, and it isn't going to give a sphere.

1. Your statement rests on the fallacious assumption that no matter how big a curved surface is, the human eye will always be able to distinguish between the subtle curve and a flat plane. If the human eye is so good at detecting minor curves and differences, why do we use spirit levels and rulers when constructing things? Surely the eye alone can just tell if something is half a degree out of whack? Sadly, the universal use of such tools tears your fallacy into a million shreds. The eye isn't that good at telling the difference on the scale of the planet earth. But the horizon is a dead giveaway.
2. I don't believe you can give any proven examples of NASA being "exposed" in a cover-up.
4. Your circular logic renders your argument null as it takes the existence of UA as a starting premise. UA has been disproved long ago by variations in gravity from place to place, and the acceleration/gravity equivalence only holds true for a homogenous field.

2. I don't believe you can give any proven examples of NASA being "exposed" in a cover-up.

Either somebody is a filthy liar, or there is a "cover up".
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2453700/Aliens-exist-but-NASA-covers-them-up-says-astronaut.html

Quote from: Dinosaur Neil on February 15, 2015, 12:58:11 PM

2. I don't believe you can give any proven examples of NASA being "exposed" in a cover-up.

Either somebody is a filthy liar, or there is a "cover up".
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2453700/Aliens-exist-but-NASA-covers-them-up-says-astronaut.html

You are aware that the same astronaut claims to have seen the earth appearing as a sphere and been to the moon? So how do you decide what bits of what he says are true and which are false? BTW note the word I have bolded.

1. Your statement rests on the fallacious assumption that no matter how big a curved surface is, the human eye will always be able to distinguish between the subtle curve and a flat plane. If the human eye is so good at detecting minor curves and differences, why do we use spirit levels and rulers when constructing things? Surely the eye alone can just tell if something is half a degree out of whack? Sadly, the universal use of such tools tears your fallacy into a million shreds. The eye isn't that good at telling the difference on the scale of the planet earth.

I would agree with this,
And that is why I dismiss all photos/videos of horizon curvature that do not include a straight edge in the image as a reference to compare against. A straight edge eliminates fraud.
And a fraud eliminates the straightedge.

Quote from: tappet on February 15, 2015, 01:13:20 PM

Quote from: Dinosaur Neil on February 15, 2015, 12:58:11 PM

2. I don't believe you can give any proven examples of NASA being "exposed" in a cover-up.

Either somebody is a filthy liar, or there is a "cover up".
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2453700/Aliens-exist-but-NASA-covers-them-up-says-astronaut.html

You are aware that the same astronaut claims to have seen the earth appearing as a sphere and been to the moon? So how do you decide what bits of what he says are true and which are false? BTW note the word I have bolded.

Like I said, at the least one of them is a liar.

Nah, there are no fake vaccines are there, You clowns.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/lasting-fallout-fake-vaccination-programs/story?id=23795483

You might need to work on your reading comprehension. The article didn't say the vaccines didn't work or were fake- just that the doctors were undercover CIA agents

Mikeman, this is not a debate forum. 

CrabbyJim, you will get a time out the next time you use inappropriate language in the upper fora.

I have asked for this to moved into either general or debate, the OP put it in the wrong section. Could you please move it?