Youtube fruitcakes

Has anyone else encountered some of the non round Earth proponent on Youtube? There is Rory Cooper who makes videos that are laughably wrong, a little runt called Iovandrake who thinks anyone who disagrees with him is a paid shill, Lord Steven Christ who believes he actually he is Jesus and that the Earth is concave, jhenningkelloggia- a religious nut, Eric Dubay- a yoga teacher. There are a few others including Schpankme Verimuch, Can Attal, Free Your Mind(formally Fake Cloudsinsky).

There's also a couple of Geocentric nuts; Malcolm Bowden and Ed Wellington.

Any encounters I have with these people I feel like I'm talking to someone in a lunatic asylum. You can feel yourself doubt your own sanity. I just wondered if anyone else has had encounters with these characters.

Has anyone else encountered some of the non round Earth proponent on Youtube? There is Rory Cooper who makes videos that are laughably wrong, a little runt called Iovandrake who thinks anyone who disagrees with him is a paid shill, Lord Steven Christ who believes he actually he is Jesus and that the Earth is concave, jhenningkelloggia- a religious nut, Eric Dubay- a yoga teacher. There are a few others including Schpankme Verimuch, Can Attal, Free Your Mind(formally Fake Cloudsinsky).

There's also a couple of Geocentric nuts; Malcolm Bowden and Ed Wellington.

Any encounters I have with these people I feel like I'm talking to someone in a lunatic asylum. You can feel yourself doubt your own sanity. I just wondered if anyone else has had encounters with these characters.

Before I accidentally happened on this website I had never heard that there were still people who believed the earth was flat. And I had never met anyone who had ever met any flat earthers other than the ones on this website. And like a few other persons I am not so sure there any genuine flat earth believers on this website. Some think it's all an act ? But I don't think we should go around calling them names. If that is their belief, that is their belief. If they want to deny all knowledge  and true facts -which they always do - that is their problem.

This is usually cause for a warning but I think the old "The Flat Earth Society is one big hoax or one big joke" is one of the main attractions for this website . It doesn't "chase newcomers off"- IMHO it attracts them . And they keep coming back to see what the flat earthers are going to come up with next. Just another one of my big "IMHO's".
LOL

That quote is not original. You will find it at quite a few places on the Internet...Outside of this website, of course.

So just sit back, see what the flat earthers have to say and enjoy !

I did exchange a few e-mails with a person at one of the largest astronomical observatories. He said he had met a few flat earthers who were visitors. But he didn't have very kind words about them.

Looks like a few people are getting desperate and afraid that more people are going to see the truth, so the usual topic is put up to give a huge nudge nudge to any potential free thinker to dare to take the plunge.
You people make me laugh and cringe at the same time.

This is usually cause for a warning but I think the old "The Flat Earth Society is one big hoax or one big joke" is one of the main attractions for this website . It doesn't "chase newcomers off"- IMHO it attracts them . And they keep coming back to see what the flat earthers are going to come up with next. Just another one of my big "IMHO's".
LOL

We only warn people for this when it's severely off-topic and detracts from the thread.  For instance, if a newcomer posts a questions like, "If the earth is flat, then how do Twinkies work?"  Then someone comes along and says, "No one thinks that the earth is flat, all flat-earthers are liars, the earth is round. QED."  Do you see how people posting that response is not helpful?  Now imagine them doing it in every thread.  Now imagine multiple people doing it.  See the need for moderator intervention?

A thread like this though, it's totally on topic.  So call us liars and frauds to your heart's content!

Any encounters I have with these people I feel like I'm talking to someone in a lunatic asylum. You can feel yourself doubt your own sanity. I just wondered if anyone else has had encounters with these characters.

I've seen many YouTube videos on different shaped earths but I've never taken the time to note their names.  And I do agree that most of them are crazy.

Looks like a few people are getting desperate and afraid that more people are going to see the truth, so the usual topic is put up to give a huge nudge nudge to any potential free thinker to dare to take the plunge.

I'd like to know how sceptimatic can claim that more people are "going to see the truth" when in fact membership of the Flat Earth Society has dropped from around 3,500 worldwide in the 1980s (under Charles K. Johnson) to only—allegedly—less than 600 today.

Surely that means people who were former members of the FES have seen the literal truth, and that's why they abandoned their beliefs in a flat earth?  Once again, sceptimatic doesn't support his arguments with any viable evidence.  Just his personal opinions or guesses.

It's actually amusingly ironic that sceptimatic apparently sees himself as a "free thinker".  As he's committed unalterably to the flat earth hypothesis, I'd describe him more as "locked-in".   

A thread like this though, it's totally on topic.  So call us liars and frauds to your heart's content!

Pongo, you're a liar and a fraud. Your failure to engage with questions you can't answer proves you to be a troll, because someone who genuinely thought the earth was flat would seek an explanation of inexplicable topics, not dodge the question. People with real belief don't like that belief being shaken and will claw desperately for reasons not to change their world view - they don't simply shrug their shoulders and tolerate gaping holes or contradictions. Ergo, you don't think the earth is flat. Neither does jroa.

Has anyone else encountered some of the non round Earth proponent on Youtube? There is Rory Cooper who makes videos that are laughably wrong, a little runt called Iovandrake who thinks anyone who disagrees with him is a paid shill, Lord Steven Christ who believes he actually he is Jesus and that the Earth is concave, jhenningkelloggia- a religious nut, Eric Dubay- a yoga teacher. There are a few others including Schpankme Verimuch, Can Attal, Free Your Mind(formally Fake Cloudsinsky).

There's also a couple of Geocentric nuts; Malcolm Bowden and Ed Wellington.

Any encounters I have with these people I feel like I'm talking to someone in a lunatic asylum. You can feel yourself doubt your own sanity. I just wondered if anyone else has had encounters with these characters.

I think Rory Cooper changed his youtube name to Eric Dubay, but I might be wrong.  I only remember the same Rory videos were all under a different name last time I checked.

'cikljamas' is 'odiupicku' on youtube.  Anyone who clicks on one of his super-duper videos knows this, but I figured I'd throw it out there. 

Quote from: herewegoround on February 13, 2015, 08:34:24 AM

Has anyone else encountered some of the non round Earth proponent on Youtube? There is Rory Cooper who makes videos that are laughably wrong, a little runt called Iovandrake who thinks anyone who disagrees with him is a paid shill, Lord Steven Christ who believes he actually he is Jesus and that the Earth is concave, jhenningkelloggia- a religious nut, Eric Dubay- a yoga teacher. There are a few others including Schpankme Verimuch, Can Attal, Free Your Mind(formally Fake Cloudsinsky).

There's also a couple of Geocentric nuts; Malcolm Bowden and Ed Wellington.

Any encounters I have with these people I feel like I'm talking to someone in a lunatic asylum. You can feel yourself doubt your own sanity. I just wondered if anyone else has had encounters with these characters.

I think Rory Cooper changed his youtube name to Eric Dubay, but I might be wrong.  I only remember the same Rory videos were all under a different name last time I checked.

'cikljamas' is 'odiupicku' on youtube.  Anyone who clicks on one of his super-duper videos knows this, but I figured I'd throw it out there.

I checked out odiupicku's channel. If that is ckljamas that means he's probably not a troll. Poor guy, he's out to lunch.

Quote from: 29silhouette on February 17, 2015, 08:05:20 PM

Quote from: herewegoround on February 13, 2015, 08:34:24 AM

Has anyone else encountered some of the non round Earth proponent on Youtube? There is Rory Cooper who makes videos that are laughably wrong, a little runt called Iovandrake who thinks anyone who disagrees with him is a paid shill, Lord Steven Christ who believes he actually he is Jesus and that the Earth is concave, jhenningkelloggia- a religious nut, Eric Dubay- a yoga teacher. There are a few others including Schpankme Verimuch, Can Attal, Free Your Mind(formally Fake Cloudsinsky).

There's also a couple of Geocentric nuts; Malcolm Bowden and Ed Wellington.

Any encounters I have with these people I feel like I'm talking to someone in a lunatic asylum. You can feel yourself doubt your own sanity. I just wondered if anyone else has had encounters with these characters.

I think Rory Cooper changed his youtube name to Eric Dubay, but I might be wrong.  I only remember the same Rory videos were all under a different name last time I checked.

'cikljamas' is 'odiupicku' on youtube.  Anyone who clicks on one of his super-duper videos knows this, but I figured I'd throw it out there.

I checked out odiupicku's channel. If that is ckljamas that means he's probably not a troll. Poor guy, he's out to lunch.

Nah, he's not out of touch, he's well in touch. You people are well out of touch by believing in nonsense.

Quote from: herewegoround on February 18, 2015, 03:22:58 AM

Quote from: 29silhouette on February 17, 2015, 08:05:20 PM

Quote from: herewegoround on February 13, 2015, 08:34:24 AM

Has anyone else encountered some of the non round Earth proponent on Youtube? There is Rory Cooper who makes videos that are laughably wrong, a little runt called Iovandrake who thinks anyone who disagrees with him is a paid shill, Lord Steven Christ who believes he actually he is Jesus and that the Earth is concave, jhenningkelloggia- a religious nut, Eric Dubay- a yoga teacher. There are a few others including Schpankme Verimuch, Can Attal, Free Your Mind(formally Fake Cloudsinsky).

There's also a couple of Geocentric nuts; Malcolm Bowden and Ed Wellington.

Any encounters I have with these people I feel like I'm talking to someone in a lunatic asylum. You can feel yourself doubt your own sanity. I just wondered if anyone else has had encounters with these characters.

I think Rory Cooper changed his youtube name to Eric Dubay, but I might be wrong.  I only remember the same Rory videos were all under a different name last time I checked.

'cikljamas' is 'odiupicku' on youtube.  Anyone who clicks on one of his super-duper videos knows this, but I figured I'd throw it out there.

I checked out odiupicku's channel. If that is ckljamas that means he's probably not a troll. Poor guy, he's out to lunch.

Nah, he's not out of touch, he's well in touch. You people are well out of touch by believing in nonsense.

Don't you believe in a concave Earth? You will excuse me while I stifle a giggle.

Tell us about your psychology. What kind of mental health do you represent by spending time (years) on this forum, despite the fact that you believe it is all nonsense? Or, as I suspect, you are healthy but paid by the government?

Tell us about your psychology. What kind of mental health do you represent by spending time (years) on this forum, despite the fact that you believe it is all nonsense? Or, as I suspect, you are healthy but paid by the government?

I haven't spent years on this forum. I frequented it for a few weeks last year, then got bored of the stupidity and dishonesty. I started coming back a few weeks ago mostly because it's amusing. I suspect most of the flat Earth "believers" are either trolls or just enjoy the challenge of defending a preposterous idea.

So, you're one of those who thinks the government pays people to discredit an absurd idea that maybe 20 people in the whole world genuinely take seriously. If you honestly believe that you are suffering from serious paranoia. I say this without being facetious in any way, you should get help.

Then you should also advise those round earthers who have spent years here. They should get help, too, if they are not being paid by the government.

Then you should also advise those round earthers who have spent years here. They should get help, too, if they are not being paid by the government.

It's interesting to see a different take on things we've always "known" to be true. In my case, it's made me revisit in detail a lot of stuff I just knew in general and accepted, like the shape of the Analemma.

Some of us feel obliged to challenge information we believe to be incorrect. That way, some third party who reads the original information will see how someone else explains why it's not right, and will be better equipped to make his own informed decision. Some of the members appear to resent this, but the challenges, if met, make their arguments stronger and more clear. If the challenges can't be met, well, doesn't this say something about the strength of the original argument?

Answering some of the questions and claims can be good mental exercise - the recent question about why twilight lingers longer at higher latitudes is a great example of that. In other cases it's amusing when ideas are so jaw-droppingly preposterous you wonder just how someone could even think them up, like the claim that time can't exist at the south pole since all time zones converge there and it wouldn't be in a specific time zone.

In other words, we're here for the challenge and amusement. No need to be paid by someone.

Hmm, yes, sure. You have almost convinced me. Your manners are so polite and reasonable, that you could even convince me that Bin Laden did 911. Besides, you know, the majority believes it, so maybe... yeah, it must be true. At any rate, better to be wrong together, than to be right alone.

I think I am cured. This psychotherapy worked. Great forum. Full of intelligent government agents.

Some of us feel obliged to challenge information we believe to be incorrect. That way, some third party who reads the original information will see how someone else explains why it's not right, and will be better equipped to make his own informed decision. Some of the members appear to resent this, but the challenges, if met, make their arguments stronger and more clear. If the challenges can't be met, well, doesn't this say something about the strength of the original argument?

Answering some of the questions and claims can be good mental exercise - the recent question about why twilight lingers longer at higher latitudes is a great example of that. In other cases it's amusing when ideas are so jaw-droppingly preposterous you wonder just how someone could even think them up, like the claim that time can't exist at the south pole since all time zones converge there and it wouldn't be in a specific time zone.

Totally concur with these comments.  As I've said elsewhere, my own knowledge and insights of the earth and the cosmos have been expanded by posting responses to many of the FE's beliefs, hypotheses, and personal opinions.  By default, it's encouraged to me to double-check my own facts and statistics and theories.  And—ironically—if for nothing else, I should thank the FEs for that.

And yes; it is strange that many FEs have very little comprehension of the sciences defined by mass, length, and time.

I think all of the above posts fairly well sums it up for many persons myself included.
I get bored with the same old FE replies, but I keep coming back to see if and  what they will come up with something new .
I still have a suspicion it is all just an act.

The "YouTube fuitcakes" are growing. Of those who were in the Top Ten last year, only one is left: Eric Dubay. Everyone else from a year ago has dropped well below the Top Ten, including Matt Boylan, who is now at #12, with his 16,000 subscribers. The old Flat Earth YouTubers have kept growing, but not as fast as the new ones. They were surpassed by new flat earthers who became big YouTubers, starting from zero (e.g. Jeranism), and by big YouTubers who suddenly became flat earthers (e.g. scrawny2brawny, MrAstrotheology aka Santos Bonacci, and 7 TRUMPETS PREPPER, who are now #1. #2. and #3).

A common characteristic of the new generation of 2015 flat earthers is that they talk in their videos and most of them even show their face. The old generation of flat earth YouTubers just made videos, with subtitles. And, of course, they were beaten, because people prefer to hear and see the authors.

Great success by a user of this forum, cikljamas, who has had a 400% growth in the last 6 months, and has now above 3,000 subscribers:
https://www.youtube.com/user/odiupicku/videos

The debunkers are having much less success, although Armoured Skeptic, the #1 debunker (by subscribers), with his 176,000 subscribers, is far more successful than any flat earther, however this also means that flat earth has broken into the mainstream media:
https://www.youtube.com/user/armouredskeptic/videos

The #10 flat earth debunker is concave earther Lord Steven Christ, who, with his 4,000 subscribers, shows that Flat Earth debunkers just grow much more slowly than flat earthers (he had 3,000 subscribers a year ago):
https://www.youtube.com/user/TheFoxStevie/videos

In one year, the top ten flat earthers have gone from 3,000 subscribers of #1 and #2 of a year ago (Matt Boylan or Eric Dubay), to the 50,000 of the number one of today, scrawny2brawny. In tenth place there is Russianvids, with almost 18,000 subscribers:

#ws" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Top Ten Flat Earth YouTubers on January 20th, 2016


The best flat earth proof video I found in this year remains this video I found a year ago, by a non-flat earther, who, involuntarily, proves flat earth (check distances, and heights, and you will agree):

#ws" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Corsica ed Elba viste da Genova - Superior Mirage (Full HD1080p)


But then again, the best flat earth debunking video, is this one, by a non-debunker, that could imply that what we see above is just a "superior mirage":

#ws" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Superior mirage


And there's also this flat earth debunking video by, I suppose, a former flat earther, which is intriguing, and makes me feel less confident about flat earth:

#ws" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Distant Objects Disappear On The Horizon - Experiment Part III - Nikon P900 [Windmills]




TIgerDan has dropped out from the Top Ten flat earth YouTubers, because he is officially no longer a flat earther, so I just uploaded a new Top Ten:

#ws" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Top Ten Flat Earth YouTubers on January 22nd, 2016 [Windmills]


Related thread:
http://fsr.boards.net/thread/91/flat-earth-youtubers-statistics

Two of those videos has "mirage" in the name. Enough said.

Awww, u mad that FEF (Flat Earth Fact) is gaining momentum on the interwebs?

Definitely

I like this guy, he doesn't try to shove anything down your throat.
Godrules: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0ovr76ue_IsMZMfqkNeTrA

I also like this girl, she is just beginning to explore flat earth:
Fran Anderson:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNA7w5gvjyxIDUKgSoMmOYg

I know some on YT are a little way out, but these two are searching for answers like myself.

I also like this girl, she is just beginning to explore flat earth:
Fran Anderson:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNA7w5gvjyxIDUKgSoMmOYg

I watched her 'food for though' video a while back.  That whole video is a series of examples showing how little she knows about the subjects she talks about.

Quote from: Yendor on January 22, 2016, 10:39:18 AM

I also like this girl, she is just beginning to explore flat earth:
Fran Anderson:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNA7w5gvjyxIDUKgSoMmOYg

I watched her 'food for though' video a while back.  That whole video is a series of examples showing how little she knows about the subjects she talks about.

As her new intro video shows, she is really peddling wares. She picked a genera where she thought she could make the most money.  Praying on the idiots who think the earth is flat.

Latest YouTube fruitcake, except this time he has 2 million subscribers on Twitter and the channel reporting on it has 1.1 million subscribers. So, flat earth is going viral, now more than ever:

#ws" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">B.o.B. Wants You To Know That Earth Is Flat - YouTube

So, now we're talking in the millions, and he even has a Wikipedia entry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B.o.B

His web site:
http://www.bobatl.com

His Twitter account, with over 2 million subscribers, where he's posting Eric Dubay's flat earth material:
http://twitter.com/bobatl