Stephen Hawking

It doesn't put the fear of G-d into me. It just reminds me that there are snot-nosed little anti-Semitic pigs in the world like you. Little Hitlers that need to be stomped on before they get too big. And one can only hope that after Obozo finishes his term in the White House, we get a real Commander in Chief, rather than the Coward in Chief we currently have, who will actually do something about the world as it now is, and make it a safer place to before civilised beings, which I would not count you among.

So I am an anti-Semite because I believe the government of Israel should stop acting like the very things the people of Israel have run from? Oppressors and aggressors?

I am now a "little Hitler" because of that? Fascinating coming from someone that supports the forced relocation to what amounts to Ghettos of a group of people because of their ethnic background. Very fascinating.

Obozo! Thats a good one! HA HA HA! You right wing nut jobs are always good with those! You should get together with some of the White Power groups, they hate him too, probably for the same reasons as you honestly. They really make some crazy cartoons of him! you'll have a hoot!

Actually, I voted for Obama twice, and volunteered to get him elected, twice. I now regret that. He is a traitor to the United States, and no friend of Israel.

And no, I don't want them ghettoised. I want them deported to the various nations of the Arab Middle East. There are 22 Arab nations in the world. Surely you could find a home for 4 million more Arabs. Israel had to take in 700,000 Jews who were ejected from Arab countries in 1948. If the 700,000 Arabs that left Israel at the order of Arab leaders had been taken in by Arab countries then, rather than being forced to live in refugee camps where their descendants still live, this problem would not exist.

But lets face it. Even the other Arabs despise the so-called "Palestinians". On the totem pole of Arabs, the "Palestinians" rank right at the bottom, even by the standards that other Arabs employ. The only reason that they are cared about at all is that Arabs hate us more than they hate "Palestinians". But lets be honest. "Palestinians" are basically treated as filth by other Arabs even.

Actually, I voted for Obama twice, and volunteered to get him elected, twice. I now regret that. He is a traitor to the United States, and no friend of Israel.

And no, I don't want them ghettoised. I want them deported to the various nations of the Arab Middle East. There are 22 Arab nations in the world. Surely you could find a home for 4 million more Arabs. Israel had to take in 700,000 Jews who were ejected from Arab countries in 1948. If the 700,000 Arabs that left Israel at the order of Arab leaders had been taken in by Arab countries then, rather than being forced to live in refugee camps where their descendants still live, this problem would not exist.

But lets face it. Even the other Arabs despise the so-called "Palestinians". On the totem pole of Arabs, the "Palestinians" rank right at the bottom, even by the standards that other Arabs employ. The only reason that they are cared about at all is that Arabs hate us more than they hate "Palestinians". But lets be honest. "Palestinians" are basically treated as filth by other Arabs even.

You sure that is a traitor to the American people or just a traitor to the Israeli people, which he has no inherent commitment to?

As for the deportation, I could have sworn I have heard that somewhere... Oh right!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_Plan

Oh and a totem pole of races... where is that from?? Oh right!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_policy_of_Nazi_Germany

Isn't history fun!

I'm familiar with both, since I have an MA in history, which I suspect you do not. Movements of people are sometimes necessary. The Germans from the Sudetenland after WWII. The Hindus from Pakistan in 1947. The Muslims from India in 1947. Those are just a few. Your lack of ability to recognise the necessity for it is your problem, and your inability to see that it occasionally saves lives. You clearly won't be called by Mensa anytime soon either.

I'm familiar with both, since I have an MA in history, which I suspect you do not. Movements of people are sometimes necessary. The Germans from the Sudetenland after WWII. The Hindus from Pakistan in 1947. The Muslims from India in 1947. Those are just a few. Your lack of ability to recognise the necessity for it is your problem, and your inability to see that it occasionally saves lives.

I noticed you glossed over saying the movement of the Jews from Germany as being necessary. Do you feel that the Nazi's were justified in looking to deport its Jewish population? Are you supporting this as a necessary action of a nation?

Because hey, if you say that the Nazi choice to do that is valid and ok with you, then I'll be ok letting the policies of Israel go, since you'll be acknowledging they are as valid for the same reasons as Nazi Germanys actions in regards to deportation.

The reason the Germans were deported from the Sudetenland was because they were likely to be killed by vengeful Czechs. The reason Hindus and Muslims changed places in 1947 was to avoid mass death and civil war (and they still did not avoid all of it). Hitler was an ass. If he hadn't had his weird objection to the Jews, he would have won WWII, because the Jews were a mostly assimilated population that would probably have helped him do it! They certainly fought for Germany with distinction and honour during WWI. So I would argue that that is one deportation that simply wasn't necessary. The thought of it was brought on by the hatred of one man, rather than by external events.

Because hey, if you say that the Nazi choice to do that is valid and ok with you, then I'll be ok letting the policies of Israel go, since you'll be acknowledging they are as valid for the same reasons as Nazi Germanys actions in regards to deportation.

I would compare deportation of the so-called "Palestinians" to the British India situation or the the Sudetenland situation, rather.

Actually, I voted for Obama twice, and volunteered to get him elected, twice. I now regret that. He is a traitor to the United States, and no friend of Israel.

And no, I don't want them ghettoised. I want them deported to the various nations of the Arab Middle East. There are 22 Arab nations in the world. Surely you could find a home for 4 million more Arabs. Israel had to take in 700,000 Jews who were ejected from Arab countries in 1948. If the 700,000 Arabs that left Israel at the order of Arab leaders had been taken in by Arab countries then, rather than being forced to live in refugee camps where their descendants still live, this problem would not exist.

But lets face it. Even the other Arabs despise the so-called "Palestinians". On the totem pole of Arabs, the "Palestinians" rank right at the bottom, even by the standards that other Arabs employ. The only reason that they are cared about at all is that Arabs hate us more than they hate "Palestinians". But lets be honest. "Palestinians" are basically treated as filth by other Arabs even.

Forced deportations?  Classifying an ethnic minority as filth?  This all sounds horribly familiar.

I did not say I called them filth. I said other Arabs treated them as filth. As far as forced deportation, sometimes it is necessary. Again, I refer to India/Pakistan and Sudetenland as examples. My idea would be for the Israeli Government to pay each Arab adult person 60,000 US dollars severance pay, plus eminent domain for any property they might lose, and to pay the cost of the relocation. It would be the responsibility of the Arab  country in question to receive the new immigrant and grant citizenship.

The reason the Germans were deported from the Sudetenland was because they were likely to be killed by vengeful Czechs. The reason Hindus and Muslims changed places in 1947 was to avoid mass death and civil war (and they still did not avoid all of it). Hitler was an ass. If he hadn't had his weird objection to the Jews, he would have won WWII, because the Jews were a mostly assimilated population that would probably have helped him do it! They certainly fought for Germany with distinction and honour during WWI. So I would argue that that is one deportation that simply wasn't necessary. The thought of it was brought on by the hatred of one man, rather than by external events.

Deportation is deportation, you cannot take away someones rights simply because you feel that it would be easier for you as a nation to deal with. Its the cowards way out, and I would think a nation that survived the 1948 Arab-Israeli war are not a bunch of cowards.

LEMMI, that is one way of looking at it. But its not just for the Jews. Its for them too. Have you seen how they are forced to live? I mean, Gaza, for example, has the HIGHEST human population density of anywhere in the world, higher even then Tokyo or Hong Kong. These people are jammed in there like sardines. My G-d, they live like animals. And Israel isn't stupid enough to let them live outside the boundaries of the Gaza Strip. Who would be, when they have publicly declared that they want to destroy your country, and kill as many of you as they can? But G-d, at least deporting them would give them more room to live in.

I did not say I called them filth. I said other Arabs treated them as filth. As far as forced deportation, sometimes it is necessary. Again, I refer to India/Pakistan

Oh yeah, that went well.   

and Sudetenland as examples.

The Germans were deported to Germany.  Therefore the Palestinians should be deported to....

My idea would be for the Israeli Government to pay each Arab adult person 60,000 US dollars severance pay

Severance pay?

, plus eminent domain for any property they might lose, and to pay the cost of the relocation. It would be the responsibility of the Arab  country in question

The "in question" is the important part here.  They are sovereign states and are under no obligation to take refugees.  Anyway, you just said the other Arabs think Palestinians were filth? 

Quote from: Yaakov ben Avraham on February 17, 2015, 10:21:20 AM

I did not say I called them filth. I said other Arabs treated them as filth. As far as forced deportation, sometimes it is necessary. Again, I refer to India/Pakistan

Oh yeah, that went well.   

Not particularly. But better than the MASSIVE civil war that would have happened otherwise.

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and Sudetenland as examples.

The Germans were deported to Germany.  Therefore the Palestinians should be deported to....

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My idea would be for the Israeli Government to pay each Arab adult person 60,000 US dollars severance pay

Severance pay?

For lack of a better word.

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, plus eminent domain for any property they might lose, and to pay the cost of the relocation. It would be the responsibility of the Arab  country in question

The "in question" is the important part here.  They are sovereign states and are under no obligation to take refugees.  Anyway, you just said the other Arabs think Palestinians were filth?

Unfortunately, that is true. But it is still the best option.

Unfortunately, that is true. But it is still the best option.

It's not actually an option though is it?

Israel should make it the only option available to them. I have to go. My wife will be home in a bit. See you soon.

It doesn't put the fear of G-d into me. It just reminds me that there are snot-nosed little anti-Semitic pigs in the world like you. Little Hitlers that need to be stomped on before they get too big. And one can only hope that after Obozo finishes his term in the White House, we get a real Commander in Chief, rather than the Coward in Chief we currently have, who will actually do something about the world as it now is, and make it a safer place for civilised beings, which I would not count you among.

So this smug little semite sees fit to continue with his "oh poor me, I'm a victim" ranting here—although his self-pity is a total disconnect to the topic's subject Stephen Hawking.  Are these pathetic Jewish whingers ever going to get over an issue that happened seventy years ago to a four-generations-distant people?  Will they ever grow up and move into the 21st century?

One only has to look at his unwarranted and offensive description of the President of the USA  as a clown and a coward to see that his perspectives on life and the world are totally distorted—dangerously so.  We should all be thankful that paranoid psychotics such as Yaakov ben Avraham can only espouse their views on basically inconsequential forums such as this, and ultimately we can just laugh at them or ignore them completely.

This warped eternal-victim mindset of Yaakov ben Avraham is one of the reasons I'm proud to say that I'm a life-long atheist, and that bellicose religions such as Judaism (and all the others) are—thankfully—on the decline globally.

I also note that apparently he's fearful of writing the word "god" in his comments.  Why this should be so is unclear—considering that all man-made gods are mere figments of the human imagination, or—from an atheist's perspective—nothing more that supernatural entities LOL.  I wonder if Yaakov ben Avraham believes in angels,  ghosts and unicorns too? 

   

Atually, its not fear, but respect. Not that I would expect an ignoramus such as yourself to comprehend.

Atually, its not fear, but respect. Not that I would expect an ignoramus such as yourself to comprehend.

Its subjugation. I bet the kings of emperors of old who would behead people for even looking at them thought it was just about respect too.

Well, it is a form of subjection to the will of G-d, but it is willing in this case. GEOFF, the surprising thing is that for this being an inconsequential forum, you have spent a crap-ton of time here. Far more than I have. It seems you have been here far more than I have, and as much as anyone else. It is evidently not inconsequential in your miserable little life. I suspect you are typing from mummy's basement.

Furthermore, religion is actually growing in the Global South, which has far more people in it than the Global North. Australia doesn't count, as it has virtually no population. The State of California has more people than the entire nation of Australia. So that kind of statement is wrong, although coming from the lips of somebody with the IQ of a bull moose in rut (and that may in fact be an insult to the moose), I am not surprised as such.

Well, it is a form of subjection to the will of G-d, but it is willing in this case. GEOFF, the surprising thing is that for this being an inconsequential forum, you have spent a crap-ton of time here. Far more than I have. It seems you have been here far more than I have, and as much as anyone else. It is evidently not inconsequential in your miserable little life. I suspect you are typing from mummy's basement.

Furthermore, religion is actually growing in the Global South, which has far more people in it than the Global North. Australia doesn't count, as it has virtually no population. The State of California has more people than the entire nation of Australia. So that kind of statement is wrong, although coming from the lips of somebody with the IQ of a bull moose in rut (and that may in fact be an insult to the moose), I am not surprised as such.

The northern hemisphere has 90% of the world's population.

http://www.businessinsider.com/90-of-people-live-in-the-northern-hemisphere-2012-5

When I say the Global South, I am referring to Latin America, Africa, and the Middle East. They span both the middle of the Globe and the Southern hemisphere. And Asia. which is Also the Middle of the Globe and the Southern portion of it.

The Global North is Russia, the USA, Canada, And Europe. I apologise for being imprecise.

Atually, its not fear, but respect. Not that I would expect an ignoramus such as yourself to comprehend.

Oh dear... now this silly little man is telling us he "respects" an imaginary friend he has up in the sky?  What next;  that the earth is only 6,500 years old and was shared by dinosaurs and man, or that Stephen Hawking is a lesser authority on matters scientific than the 2,500 year-old Abrahamic bible filled as it is with mythological figures and fairy stories?

According to The Christian Post 26 Sep 2014, renowned physicist Stephen Hawking recently confirmed that he is an atheist who believes in science rather than God.

"Before we understood science, it was natural to believe that God created the universe, but now science offers a more convincing explanation."

But our little Jewish friend—with his wonderful Masters in history!—will no doubt claim a far greater knowledge of the sciences than a mere [sic] theoretical physicist and cosmologist such as Hawking, with only a few science doctorates to his name. 

One of Hawking's most cutting comments when asked about "heaven or an afterlife" was that such a notion is a "fairy story for people afraid of the dark".   

The Global North is Russia, the USA, Canada, And Europe. I apologise for being imprecise.

What was your criteria for this demarcation?  Seems odd to arbitrarily realign which part of the globe certain countries belong too.

Hawking is a glorified mathematician. He can do math. Great. And that qualifies him to speak on matters of whether or not G-d exists? Like I said, you have the IQ of a moose. Hawking probably has no qualifications in philosophy either. I do. Granted, only a BA, but that is probably higher than his.

Hawking is a glorified mathematician. He can do math. Great. And that qualifies him to speak on matters of whether or not G-d exists? Like I said, you have the IQ of a moose. Hawking probably has no qualifications in philosophy either. I do. Granted, only a BA, but that is probably higher than his.

God has nothing to do with philosophy. Sure we can think about it and discuss it, but there's really no point because in the long run it is not provable and ultimately fruitless.

That being said, I too think that Stephen Hawking's comments on God are unnecessary and simply argumentative in nature. He's not qualified to talk about God, like you say... but you're also not qualified to talk about God. You don't know shit about God.

VAUX, your opinion of Hawking is one thing. I think I may actually agree with you. That is frightening, but true. Your opinion of me is just another manifestation of your mind obliterating ability to be a fool. Anyone who says philosophy has nothing to do with G-d (or vice-versa) is simply a brutish gorilla. You must have never taken a Philosophy of G-d course. I have. I clearly am more qualified that you are to discuss the matter, not that I am a brilliant SOB, but I clearly am a bit brighter than you on the subject.

Hawking is a glorified mathematician. He can do math. Great. And that qualifies him to speak on matters of whether or not G-d exists? Like I said, you have the IQ of a moose. Hawking probably has no qualifications in philosophy either. I do. Granted, only a BA, but that is probably higher than his.

Hawking's stated opinion of God is that God is not needed for what we see: on that much, he is very much qualified to speak. After all, he's talking physics rather than philosophy. And speaking as a mathematician, there is a huge difference between maths and physics: maths is a major tool of physics, but physicists next to never do any of the mathematical legwork: they're concerned with application only.
Philosophy is a mixed bag, all things considered: but much of the time it's simply application of logic to abstracts. That is mathematics.

Naw, Yaakov. I'm more qualified than you by a long shot.