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AndreiR

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Flat Earth Travel
« on: January 24, 2015, 11:10:11 PM »
Hello! I`m new to the forum, and, sorry if this question has already been asked, but I want you to clarify something for me :)

Alright, so let`s say  you travel from Europe to America and then continue on. At some point, on a spherical shaped Earth you would return to where you came from, Europe, considering gravity and the planet shape, among other factors. BUT, how do you explain this on a Flat Earth? How come you return to where you came from on this so-called Flat Earth?
A force pushes you as you go along towards the edge and takes you back to where you came from, or something? Please explain.
Thank you.
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gpssjim

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Re: Flat Earth Travel
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2015, 01:11:42 AM »
FE claims the earth is a flat disk and that circumnavigation amounts to going around in a circle. 
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AndreiR

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Re: Flat Earth Travel
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2015, 02:27:07 AM »
How is that possible? I mean, I'm going straight, but in reality I'm moving around a circle?
So, that's another conspiracy, or what the hell?
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Re: Flat Earth Travel
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2015, 08:26:11 AM »
Quote from: AndreiR on January 25, 2015, 02:27:07 AM
How is that possible? I mean, I'm going straight, but in reality I'm moving around a circle?
So, that's another conspiracy, or what the hell?
Try walking a straight line in an open field with no reference, or in the woods without a compass.  It is easy to walk in a circle while you think you are walking straight.  So the argument is that over such long distances the traveler was making turns without knowing it.  Navigation aids are faked or work differently than you think.  How do we know anyone actually has gone around the world anyway?  How could you even prove that you yourself went around the world using commercial air travel?  If one allows for a conspiracy that pretty much the whole world can be in on, there is no way you can prove to me anything.  And are you going to spend the effort and money to convince a small group of people that the earth is not flat?  How many people on this site argue for FET because they truly believe?
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AndreiR

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Re: Flat Earth Travel
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2015, 08:31:20 AM »
Uhm, okay, I guess. I really don't want to fall in the idiot pit. It makes much more sense here in the Round Earth world. "How do we know if someone has been around the world?" "CONSPIRACY" Okay, I'll leave you to your own matters. Tell me when you find the dragon near the edge that keeps the people under Earth warm and cozzy. Flat Earth? Seriously?!
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Re: Flat Earth Travel
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2015, 09:55:12 AM »
Quote from: AndreiR on January 25, 2015, 08:31:20 AM
Uhm, okay, I guess. I really don't want to fall in the idiot pit. It makes much more sense here in the Round Earth world. "How do we know if someone has been around the world?" "CONSPIRACY" Okay, I'll leave you to your own matters. Tell me when you find the dragon near the edge that keeps the people under Earth warm and cozzy. Flat Earth? Seriously?!
Some on this site (i.e. Vauxhall) claim to have had sexual relations with shape shifting Zaratan turtles (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=62660.0#.VMUt1ycVnLU).  It is a fantasy site, you'll have to play along or move along.
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Re: Flat Earth Travel
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2015, 10:16:07 AM »
Even with a compass you go in a circle route, north is the center of the circle.
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Re: Flat Earth Travel
« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2015, 10:18:42 AM »
Quote from: hoppy on January 25, 2015, 10:16:07 AM
Even with a compass you go in a circle route, north is the center of the circle.

That would make the South Pole a big ring around the Earth.  You know nothing about magnetism do you?
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Re: Flat Earth Travel
« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2015, 10:52:02 AM »
Quote from: mikeman7918 on January 25, 2015, 10:18:42 AM
Quote from: hoppy on January 25, 2015, 10:16:07 AM
Even with a compass you go in a circle route, north is the center of the circle.

That would make the South Pole a big ring around the Earth.  You know nothing about magnetism do you?
You are correct.
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Re: Flat Earth Travel
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2015, 10:55:41 AM »
Quote from: hoppy on January 25, 2015, 10:52:02 AM
Quote from: mikeman7918 on January 25, 2015, 10:18:42 AM
Quote from: hoppy on January 25, 2015, 10:16:07 AM
Even with a compass you go in a circle route, north is the center of the circle.

That would make the South Pole a big ring around the Earth.  You know nothing about magnetism do you?
You are correct.

Do you by chance know if a magnet other then the one in a flat Earth (not to be mistaken with the round Earth that we live on) that exhibits a ring shaped South Pole?
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Re: Flat Earth Travel
« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2015, 03:13:57 PM »
Quote from: mikeman7918 on January 25, 2015, 10:55:41 AM
Quote from: hoppy on January 25, 2015, 10:52:02 AM
Quote from: mikeman7918 on January 25, 2015, 10:18:42 AM
Quote from: hoppy on January 25, 2015, 10:16:07 AM
Even with a compass you go in a circle route, north is the center of the circle.

That would make the South Pole a big ring around the Earth.  You know nothing about magnetism do you?
You are correct.
Silence.  And how would one explain the fact the the southern hemisphere, two people that are moving directly south become closer to each other, not further away?  No idea about magnetic field lines, no idea about maps, no idea about sunspots, no idea about eclipses, no idea about weather systems... in short, no FET.
Do you by chance know if a magnet other then the one in a flat Earth (not to be mistaken with the round Earth that we live on) that exhibits a ring shaped South Pole?
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Re: Flat Earth Travel
« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2015, 04:19:10 PM »
Quote from: gpssjim on January 29, 2015, 03:13:57 PM
Quote from: mikeman7918 on January 25, 2015, 10:55:41 AM
Quote from: hoppy on January 25, 2015, 10:52:02 AM
Quote from: mikeman7918 on January 25, 2015, 10:18:42 AM
Quote from: hoppy on January 25, 2015, 10:16:07 AM
Even with a compass you go in a circle route, north is the center of the circle.

That would make the South Pole a big ring around the Earth.  You know nothing about magnetism do you?
You are correct.
Silence.  And how would one explain the fact the the southern hemisphere, two people that are moving directly south become closer to each other, not further away?  No idea about magnetic field lines, no idea about maps, no idea about sunspots, no idea about eclipses, no idea about weather systems... in short, no FET.
Do you by chance know if a magnet other then the one in a flat Earth (not to be mistaken with the round Earth that we live on) that exhibits a ring shaped South Pole?
When did this happen?  Or, are you just making stuff up again?
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mikeman7918

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Re: Flat Earth Travel
« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2015, 07:36:54 PM »
Quote from: jroa on January 29, 2015, 04:19:10 PM
Quote from: gpssjim on January 29, 2015, 03:13:57 PM
Quote from: mikeman7918 on January 25, 2015, 10:55:41 AM
Quote from: hoppy on January 25, 2015, 10:52:02 AM
Quote from: mikeman7918 on January 25, 2015, 10:18:42 AM
Quote from: hoppy on January 25, 2015, 10:16:07 AM
Even with a compass you go in a circle route, north is the center of the circle.

That would make the South Pole a big ring around the Earth.  You know nothing about magnetism do you?
You are correct.
Silence.  And how would one explain the fact the the southern hemisphere, two people that are moving directly south become closer to each other, not further away?  No idea about magnetic field lines, no idea about maps, no idea about sunspots, no idea about eclipses, no idea about weather systems... in short, no FET.
Do you by chance know if a magnet other then the one in a flat Earth (not to be mistaken with the round Earth that we live on) that exhibits a ring shaped South Pole?
When did this happen?  Or, are you just making stuff up again?

That was the comment just before his comment made by me, but the first two lines he added in (which I bolded).  I agree with the statement he added in by the way.
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Re: Flat Earth Travel
« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2015, 01:31:24 AM »
Quote from: jroa on January 29, 2015, 04:19:10 PM
When did this happen?  Or, are you just making stuff up again?

Are you now claiming that if two people in the southern hemisphere each walk in a due south direction, that they'll not get closer to each other jroa?

Do you think they'd be walking parallel paths, or diverging from each other?
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Re: Flat Earth Travel
« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2015, 11:04:35 AM »
Quote from: AndreiR on January 25, 2015, 02:27:07 AM
How is that possible? I mean, I'm going straight, but in reality I'm moving around a circle?
So, that's another conspiracy, or what the hell?

It's not possible, it defies all logic, and yes, people would notice.
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Re: Flat Earth Travel
« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2015, 12:58:10 PM »
Quote from: Dinosaur Neil on January 31, 2015, 11:04:35 AM
Quote from: AndreiR on January 25, 2015, 02:27:07 AM
How is that possible? I mean, I'm going straight, but in reality I'm moving around a circle?
So, that's another conspiracy, or what the hell?

It's not possible, it defies all logic, and yes, people would notice.

If I was flying a plane traveling west, would I not be traveling in a circle, yet thinking that I am flying straight?
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Re: Flat Earth Travel
« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2015, 01:15:08 PM »
Quote from: jroa on January 31, 2015, 12:58:10 PM
Quote from: Dinosaur Neil on January 31, 2015, 11:04:35 AM
Quote from: AndreiR on January 25, 2015, 02:27:07 AM
How is that possible? I mean, I'm going straight, but in reality I'm moving around a circle?
So, that's another conspiracy, or what the hell?

It's not possible, it defies all logic, and yes, people would notice.

If I was flying a plane traveling west, would I not be traveling in a circle, yet thinking that I am flying straight?

Disingenuous post, lose points.
You're perfectly aware of the difference. If you aren't then you don't understand FET.
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Re: Flat Earth Travel
« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2015, 01:17:34 PM »
Quote from: Dinosaur Neil on January 31, 2015, 01:15:08 PM
Quote from: jroa on January 31, 2015, 12:58:10 PM
Quote from: Dinosaur Neil on January 31, 2015, 11:04:35 AM
Quote from: AndreiR on January 25, 2015, 02:27:07 AM
How is that possible? I mean, I'm going straight, but in reality I'm moving around a circle?
So, that's another conspiracy, or what the hell?

It's not possible, it defies all logic, and yes, people would notice.

If I was flying a plane traveling west, would I not be traveling in a circle, yet thinking that I am flying straight?

Disingenuous post, lose points.
You're perfectly aware of the difference. If you aren't then you don't understand FET.

So, are you saying my statement is true or false?
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Dinosaur Neil

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Re: Flat Earth Travel
« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2015, 01:21:12 PM »
Quote from: jroa on January 31, 2015, 01:17:34 PM
Quote from: Dinosaur Neil on January 31, 2015, 01:15:08 PM
Quote from: jroa on January 31, 2015, 12:58:10 PM
Quote from: Dinosaur Neil on January 31, 2015, 11:04:35 AM
Quote from: AndreiR on January 25, 2015, 02:27:07 AM
How is that possible? I mean, I'm going straight, but in reality I'm moving around a circle?
So, that's another conspiracy, or what the hell?

It's not possible, it defies all logic, and yes, people would notice.

If I was flying a plane traveling west, would I not be traveling in a circle, yet thinking that I am flying straight?

Disingenuous post, lose points.
You're perfectly aware of the difference. If you aren't then you don't understand FET.

So, are you saying my statement is true or false?

I'm saying your statement is so unspecific as to be taken either as true OR false depending on the circumstances and is only true if certain generalisations regarding direction are made. In other words: it's a trick question.
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Re: Flat Earth Travel
« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2015, 01:23:45 PM »
Quote from: Dinosaur Neil on January 31, 2015, 01:21:12 PM
Quote from: jroa on January 31, 2015, 01:17:34 PM
Quote from: Dinosaur Neil on January 31, 2015, 01:15:08 PM
Quote from: jroa on January 31, 2015, 12:58:10 PM
Quote from: Dinosaur Neil on January 31, 2015, 11:04:35 AM
Quote from: AndreiR on January 25, 2015, 02:27:07 AM
How is that possible? I mean, I'm going straight, but in reality I'm moving around a circle?
So, that's another conspiracy, or what the hell?

It's not possible, it defies all logic, and yes, people would notice.

If I was flying a plane traveling west, would I not be traveling in a circle, yet thinking that I am flying straight?

Disingenuous post, lose points.
You're perfectly aware of the difference. If you aren't then you don't understand FET.

So, are you saying my statement is true or false?

I'm saying your statement is so unspecific as to be taken either as true OR false depending on the circumstances and is only true if certain generalisations regarding direction are made. In other words: it's a trick question.
West is a trick question?  I thought it was a universal direction. 
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Re: Flat Earth Travel
« Reply #20 on: January 31, 2015, 01:29:11 PM »
Quote from: jroa on January 31, 2015, 01:23:45 PM
Quote from: Dinosaur Neil on January 31, 2015, 01:21:12 PM
Quote from: jroa on January 31, 2015, 01:17:34 PM
Quote from: Dinosaur Neil on January 31, 2015, 01:15:08 PM
Quote from: jroa on January 31, 2015, 12:58:10 PM
Quote from: Dinosaur Neil on January 31, 2015, 11:04:35 AM
Quote from: AndreiR on January 25, 2015, 02:27:07 AM
How is that possible? I mean, I'm going straight, but in reality I'm moving around a circle?
So, that's another conspiracy, or what the hell?

It's not possible, it defies all logic, and yes, people would notice.

If I was flying a plane traveling west, would I not be traveling in a circle, yet thinking that I am flying straight?

Disingenuous post, lose points.
You're perfectly aware of the difference. If you aren't then you don't understand FET.

So, are you saying my statement is true or false?

I'm saying your statement is so unspecific as to be taken either as true OR false depending on the circumstances and is only true if certain generalisations regarding direction are made. In other words: it's a trick question.
West is a trick question?  I thought it was a universal direction.

Disingenuous answer. Pretending to misunderstand what word I was talking about. I was talking about the direction... no, hang on, why am I explaining this to you when you already know what I meant?
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Re: Flat Earth Travel
« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2015, 01:42:39 PM »
Quote from: Dinosaur Neil on January 31, 2015, 01:29:11 PM
Quote from: jroa on January 31, 2015, 01:23:45 PM
Quote from: Dinosaur Neil on January 31, 2015, 01:21:12 PM
Quote from: jroa on January 31, 2015, 01:17:34 PM
Quote from: Dinosaur Neil on January 31, 2015, 01:15:08 PM
Quote from: jroa on January 31, 2015, 12:58:10 PM
Quote from: Dinosaur Neil on January 31, 2015, 11:04:35 AM
Quote from: AndreiR on January 25, 2015, 02:27:07 AM
How is that possible? I mean, I'm going straight, but in reality I'm moving around a circle?
So, that's another conspiracy, or what the hell?

It's not possible, it defies all logic, and yes, people would notice.

If I was flying a plane traveling west, would I not be traveling in a circle, yet thinking that I am flying straight?

Disingenuous post, lose points.
You're perfectly aware of the difference. If you aren't then you don't understand FET.

So, are you saying my statement is true or false?

I'm saying your statement is so unspecific as to be taken either as true OR false depending on the circumstances and is only true if certain generalisations regarding direction are made. In other words: it's a trick question.
West is a trick question?  I thought it was a universal direction.

Disingenuous answer. Pretending to misunderstand what word I was talking about. I was talking about the direction... no, hang on, why am I explaining this to you when you already know what I meant?
Are you now saying that west can not exist on a FE?
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Re: Flat Earth Travel
« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2015, 02:20:39 PM »
There is a very simple explanation.:

All of the navigation charts and maps for both land and sea and  even the gps ,compasses and loran and other navigational aids  have been cleverly manipulated by the Round Earth Conspiracy so that - for instance in going from California to Japan - they will show you are going in a straight line and maintaining a straight course instead of going around in a circle.

When I was in the Navy, the ships I was on made three cruises from San Diego to Yokosuka. If the earth was flat you would not be maintaining that straight course but instead you would be  going around in a circle.

I am sure the Navigation Officer was in on and a part of  The Round Earth Conspiracy. But he was an Officer and had a Top Secret Security Clearance and was not allowed to divulge this information to the crew....or maybe even the Captain or any of the other officers . I was a mere Petty Officer so I didn't have this level of clearance so I wasn't aware of the situation. In Navy terms "I had no need to know." Thanks to the Flat Earth Society my eyes have been opened.

In due time, I am sure the Navy will be using Flat Earth Maps. That is -When the Flat Earth Society produces an accurate Flat Earth Map of the entire earth. Of course at the present time they are having to rely on the Azimuthal Equidistant Projection of a globe to represent a Flat Earth Map.The Flat Earth Society has just asked for some time to make their expedition to the ice wall to prepare this map. All that is lacking is the 4 Million Dollars to finance the expedition.
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Re: Flat Earth Travel
« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2015, 03:36:33 AM »
Quote from: Googleotomy on January 31, 2015, 02:20:39 PM
When I was in the Navy, the ships I was on made three cruises from San Diego to Yokosuka. If the earth was flat you would not be maintaining that straight course but instead you would be  going around in a circle.

And this is a real sticking point with the flat earth theory, and flat earth maps (which in reality of course simply don't exist).  The FEs can't come up with any logical response to this travelling in a straight line across the ocean concept.

In all likelihood, they'll probably say you were delusional/drunk/deceived/hallucinating, or the ship's captain was deliberately lying to his crew as part of "the" conspiracy, or even that you're unwittingly misrepresenting what you "thought" you were experiencing on that voyage.  Let's see shall we.
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Re: Flat Earth Travel
« Reply #24 on: February 02, 2015, 06:20:57 PM »
Quote from: ausGeoff on February 01, 2015, 03:36:33 AM
Quote from: Googleotomy on January 31, 2015, 02:20:39 PM
When I was in the Navy, the ships I was on made three cruises from San Diego to Yokosuka. If the earth was flat you would not be maintaining that straight course but instead you would be  going around in a circle.

And this is a real sticking point with the flat earth theory, and flat earth maps (which in reality of course simply don't exist).  The FEs can't come up with any logical response to this travelling in a straight line across the ocean concept.

In all likelihood, they'll probably say you were delusional/drunk/deceived/hallucinating, or the ship's captain was deliberately lying to his crew as part of "the" conspiracy, or even that you're unwittingly misrepresenting what you "thought" you were experiencing on that voyage.  Let's see shall we.

In addition to that: how could FET explain the fact that flying a great circle actually burns less fuel (and takes less time) than travelling rhumb line tracks (i.e. "straight lines") - without the three-dimensional curvature of the earth this wouldn't make sense.

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