Antarctic ice sheets

Quote from: FlatAllTheWay on January 18, 2015, 12:50:39 PM

Quote from: jroa on January 18, 2015, 12:01:05 PM

Why would the Arctic ice sheets be dependant on the shape of the Earth?

This is a typical time-wasting, non-responsive answer by jroa.  You answered a question that was not asked. The question was "In flat earth theory, how is the process of ice loss represented?".  Please answer that question.

Ice can't melt if the Earth is flat?  I really don't understand your point.

I agree with you, Jroa lol. You asked for a clarification on what the question was and they just attacked.

RE'ers (I am fellow RE'er), please help Jroa and elaborate the question for Jroa

merci beaucoup

Quote from: jroa on January 18, 2015, 03:17:58 PM

Quote from: FlatAllTheWay on January 18, 2015, 12:50:39 PM

Quote from: jroa on January 18, 2015, 12:01:05 PM

Why would the Arctic ice sheets be dependant on the shape of the Earth?

This is a typical time-wasting, non-responsive answer by jroa.  You answered a question that was not asked. The question was "In flat earth theory, how is the process of ice loss represented?".  Please answer that question.

Ice can't melt if the Earth is flat?  I really don't understand your point.

I agree with you, Jroa lol. You asked for a clarification on what the question was and they just attacked.

RE'ers (I am fellow RE'er), please help Jroa and elaborate the question for Jroa

merci beaucoup

1. Proof that the earth is flat
2. Proof that there is a continuous Ice Wall , which  is 150 feet in height and 78,000 miles in length  , around the circumference of that flat earth,

Quote from: Orifiel on January 19, 2015, 01:17:52 PM

Quote from: jroa on January 18, 2015, 03:17:58 PM

Quote from: FlatAllTheWay on January 18, 2015, 12:50:39 PM

Quote from: jroa on January 18, 2015, 12:01:05 PM

Why would the Arctic ice sheets be dependant on the shape of the Earth?

This is a typical time-wasting, non-responsive answer by jroa.  You answered a question that was not asked. The question was "In flat earth theory, how is the process of ice loss represented?".  Please answer that question.

Ice can't melt if the Earth is flat?  I really don't understand your point.

I agree with you, Jroa lol. You asked for a clarification on what the question was and they just attacked.

RE'ers (I am fellow RE'er), please help Jroa and elaborate the question for Jroa

merci beaucoup

1. Proof that the earth is flat
2. Proof that there is a continuous Ice Wall , which  is 150 feet in height and 78,000 miles in length  , around the circumference of that flat earth,

Flat Earth Logic:
It looks flat so it is flat.
Large corporations/agencies give us photos so they must be lying for profit gain

There is no poof that there isn't a ice wall.  Any photos are clearly fakes
Its cold there so surely an ice wall is there

jroa, you are correct in saying that the continent would still exist if all of the ice melted.

I don't think quotes count as evidence. On a round earth, Antarctica is still extremely large, and at ground level, it would be near-impossible to determine the shape.

The problem with the process of ice loss is that on a flat earth, the edge of the continent is nearly 8 times larger. (78k miles as opposed to 11k was it?). So in terms of freshwater flux from ice melt, the measured rates (Which correlate with satellite data looking down on a round earth) wouldn't add up on a flat earth.

On a tangent, the antarctic circumpolar current would also need to be approximately 8 times faster in order to transport tracers, ARGO floats etc to the same extent as measured.

In summary, these would be gaps in the science if the flat earth theory was correct. They can be explained easily by a round earth, but is there an equivalent explanation for a FE?

In 1911, long before NASA conspiracies, long before Photoshopped fakery, there was Roald Amundsen. He climbed your "ice wall", proceeded to the South Pole and took pictures. There was no "edge of the earth". US Admiral Richard Evelyn Byrd flew over the South Pole in 1928. There was no "edge of the earth". How do I know the earth is round? I've been on an airplane at 30,000 feet and looked out the window. The curvature of the planet can bee seen quite easily. That's more than enough proof for me. Also, it doesn't seem to matter where you are on the earth, including Antarctica, that this curvature is visible. If the earth were flat and you went up to 30,000 feet or more, there would be no horizon. Yet, no matter how far above sea level that you travel, there is always a visible horizon. Some average citizens have attached cameras to ballons and let them go, some reaching 100,000 feet. Guess what? They clearly show the curvature of the earth and a horizon. Absolute, positive, undeniable proof that the earth is a sphere.

In 1911, long before NASA conspiracies, long before Photoshopped fakery, there was Roald Amundsen. He climbed your "ice wall", proceeded to the South Pole and took pictures. There was no "edge of the earth". US Admiral Richard Evelyn Byrd flew over the South Pole in 1928. There was no "edge of the earth". How do I know the earth is round? I've been on an airplane at 30,000 feet and looked out the window. The curvature of the planet can bee seen quite easily. That's more than enough proof for me. Also, it doesn't seem to matter where you are on the earth, including Antarctica, that this curvature is visible. If the earth were flat and you went up to 30,000 feet or more, there would be no horizon. Yet, no matter how far above sea level that you travel, there is always a visible horizon. Some average citizens have attached cameras to ballons and let them go, some reaching 100,000 feet. Guess what? They clearly show the curvature of the earth and a horizon. Absolute, positive, undeniable proof that the earth is a sphere.

Even pilots will tell you that no curvature can be seen from the altitude that they fly.  Perhaps you simply imagined seeing it?

Quote from: Nick Danger on January 20, 2015, 12:26:50 PM

In 1911, long before NASA conspiracies, long before Photoshopped fakery, there was Roald Amundsen. He climbed your "ice wall", proceeded to the South Pole and took pictures. There was no "edge of the earth". US Admiral Richard Evelyn Byrd flew over the South Pole in 1928. There was no "edge of the earth". How do I know the earth is round? I've been on an airplane at 30,000 feet and looked out the window. The curvature of the planet can bee seen quite easily. That's more than enough proof for me. Also, it doesn't seem to matter where you are on the earth, including Antarctica, that this curvature is visible. If the earth were flat and you went up to 30,000 feet or more, there would be no horizon. Yet, no matter how far above sea level that you travel, there is always a visible horizon. Some average citizens have attached cameras to ballons and let them go, some reaching 100,000 feet. Guess what? They clearly show the curvature of the earth and a horizon. Absolute, positive, undeniable proof that the earth is a sphere.

Even pilots will tell you that no curvature can be seen from the altitude that they fly.  Perhaps you simply imagined seeing it?

Not the pilots I fly with in the CAF. We all see the curve of the earth. Maybe you're imagining that the earth is flat. That's the only place it could be flat, really, is in an overactive imagination.

Quote from: Dinosaur Neil on January 19, 2015, 11:19:28 AM

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Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on January 19, 2015, 10:44:11 AM

Quote from: jroa on January 19, 2015, 10:41:41 AM

It is land with ice on it.   

So the ice wall is not a wall and should never be referred to as such?

It is a content covered with ice.  Yes, it can look like a wall of ice, but that does not mean it is a wall of ice.  What are you having trouble comprehending?  Is English your second language?

The explorers who have ventured furthest south have never mentioned seeing an ice wall.

Really, they never did?  Do I need to dig up some quotes for you, or are you not wanting to look stupid?

Just "dig up some quotes."  ???Please 

Quote from: jroa on January 19, 2015, 12:14:07 PM

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Quote from: jroa on January 19, 2015, 10:41:41 AM

It is land with ice on it.   

So the ice wall is not a wall and should never be referred to as such?

It is a content covered with ice.  Yes, it can look like a wall of ice, but that does not mean it is a wall of ice.  What are you having trouble comprehending?  Is English your second language?

The explorers who have ventured furthest south have never mentioned seeing an ice wall.

Really, they never did?  Do I need to dig up some quotes for you, or are you not wanting to look stupid?

Please, be my guest. Dig up some quotes. Make me look stupid.

So, I guess no one has ever claimed to have seen "a 150 wall of ice" then.  You will be embarrassed when I proved you are wrong, will you not?

As I said, the explorers who have ventured furthest south have never mentioned seeing an ice wall. I stand by that statement. Bring on the quotes.

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Quote from: Dinosaur Neil on January 19, 2015, 11:52:46 AM

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Quote from: jroa on January 19, 2015, 10:50:20 AM

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Quote from: jroa on January 19, 2015, 10:41:41 AM

It is land with ice on it.   

So the ice wall is not a wall and should never be referred to as such?

It is a content covered with ice.  Yes, it can look like a wall of ice, but that does not mean it is a wall of ice.  What are you having trouble comprehending?  Is English your second language?

The explorers who have ventured furthest south have never mentioned seeing an ice wall.

Really, they never did?  Do I need to dig up some quotes for you, or are you not wanting to look stupid?

Please, be my guest. Dig up some quotes. Make me look stupid.

So, I guess no one has ever claimed to have seen "a 150 wall of ice" then.  You will be embarrassed when I proved you are wrong, will you not?

I guess jroa is playing his old "word games" games. LOL.

Someone has claimed to have seen "A  150 wall of ice." Have they measured its height and length ?

But has anyone claimed to have seen "THE ice wall" ? They would have had to have seen and measured its height as 150 feet and its length as 78,000 miles.

Please supply with those quotes you mentioned to prove this.

Do I need to dig up some quotes for you, or are you not wanting to look stupid?

I'd be interested in seeing these quotes too jroa.

Really, they never did?  Do I need to dig up some quotes for you, or are you not wanting to look stupid?

None of us are worried about looking stupid.

If you provide us with some quotes, we will be able to look into them. If they are from good sources, it will aid you in your argument for a flat earth.

Please jroa make me look stupid. I am struggling to do it by myself.

Quote from: Dinosaur Neil on January 19, 2015, 11:19:28 AM

Quote from: jroa on January 19, 2015, 10:50:20 AM

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Quote from: jroa on January 19, 2015, 10:41:41 AM

It is land with ice on it.   

So the ice wall is not a wall and should never be referred to as such?

It is a content covered with ice.  Yes, it can look like a wall of ice, but that does not mean it is a wall of ice.  What are you having trouble comprehending?  Is English your second language?

The explorers who have ventured furthest south have never mentioned seeing an ice wall.

Really, they never did?  Do I need to dig up some quotes for you, or are you not wanting to look stupid?

Is this suubject going to die for lack of quotes ?  Maybe jroa is still looking for his shovel to dig up some quotes ?

Quote from: jroa on January 19, 2015, 11:22:52 AM

Quote from: Dinosaur Neil on January 19, 2015, 11:19:28 AM

Quote from: jroa on January 19, 2015, 10:50:20 AM

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on January 19, 2015, 10:44:11 AM

Quote from: jroa on January 19, 2015, 10:41:41 AM

It is land with ice on it.   

So the ice wall is not a wall and should never be referred to as such?

It is a content covered with ice.  Yes, it can look like a wall of ice, but that does not mean it is a wall of ice.  What are you having trouble comprehending?  Is English your second language?

The explorers who have ventured furthest south have never mentioned seeing an ice wall.

Really, they never did?  Do I need to dig up some quotes for you, or are you not wanting to look stupid?

Is this suubject going to die for lack of quotes ?  Maybe jroa is still looking for his shovel to dig up some quotes ?

I am working from my phone, tablet and sometimes my tiny netbook right now.  Can you not have a little patience to let me unpack?  Or do you just have nothing better to do?

Quote from: Googleotomy on January 21, 2015, 05:24:02 PM

Quote from: jroa on January 19, 2015, 11:22:52 AM

Quote from: Dinosaur Neil on January 19, 2015, 11:19:28 AM

Quote from: jroa on January 19, 2015, 10:50:20 AM

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on January 19, 2015, 10:44:11 AM

Quote from: jroa on January 19, 2015, 10:41:41 AM

It is land with ice on it.   

So the ice wall is not a wall and should never be referred to as such?

It is a content covered with ice.  Yes, it can look like a wall of ice, but that does not mean it is a wall of ice.  What are you having trouble comprehending?  Is English your second language?

The explorers who have ventured furthest south have never mentioned seeing an ice wall.

Really, they never did?  Do I need to dig up some quotes for you, or are you not wanting to look stupid?

Is this suubject going to die for lack of quotes ?  Maybe jroa is still looking for his shovel to dig up some quotes ?

I am working from my phone, tablet and sometimes my tiny netbook right now.  Can you not have a little patience to let me unpack?  Or do you just have nothing better to do?

The reason people are saying this is because you've replied several times with a lack of quotes, despite saying that you will dig some up.

Why bother replying if you're not going to answer the question? Youc could reply in a month's time with some really good research, and we would be fine about that!
T

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Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on January 19, 2015, 10:44:11 AM

Quote from: jroa on January 19, 2015, 10:41:41 AM

It is land with ice on it.   

So the ice wall is not a wall and should never be referred to as such?

It is a content covered with ice.  Yes, it can look like a wall of ice, but that does not mean it is a wall of ice.  What are you having trouble comprehending?  Is English your second language?

The explorers who have ventured furthest south have never mentioned seeing an ice wall.

Really, they never did?  Do I need to dig up some quotes for you, or are you not wanting to look stupid?

Is this suubject going to die for lack of quotes ?  Maybe jroa is still looking for his shovel to dig up some quotes ?

I am working from my phone, tablet and sometimes my tiny netbook right now.  Can you not have a little patience to let me unpack?  Or do you just have nothing better to do?

The reason people are saying this is because you've replied several times with a lack of quotes, despite saying that you will dig some up.

Why bother replying if you're not going to answer the question? Youc could reply in a month's time with some really good research, and we would be fine about that!
T

I will.  It is hard enough for me to type from my phone, much less copy/paste information, make quotes, or even do any research.  I am in the process of moving.  And will hopefully have my desktop set up by the end of this weekend.  In the mean time, please excuse grammatical errors, typos, and even an occasional lack of replying. 

I am working from my phone, tablet and sometimes my tiny netbook right now.  Can you not have a little patience to let me unpack?

You threatened Neil with making him look stupid.  You can't follow through, so you now look stupid.  I'm not sure why working on a tablet or netbook prevents you from finding quote. 

  Or do you just have nothing better to do?

We are all on the forums for the flat earth society.   So while we all might have better stuff to do, we certainly aren't doing it right now.

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Quote from: jroa on January 19, 2015, 10:41:41 AM

It is land with ice on it.   

So the ice wall is not a wall and should never be referred to as such?

It is a content covered with ice.  Yes, it can look like a wall of ice, but that does not mean it is a wall of ice.  What are you having trouble comprehending?  Is English your second language?

The explorers who have ventured furthest south have never mentioned seeing an ice wall.

Really, they never did?  Do I need to dig up some quotes for you, or are you not wanting to look stupid?

Is this suubject going to die for lack of quotes ?  Maybe jroa is still looking for his shovel to dig up some quotes ?

I am working from my phone, tablet and sometimes my tiny netbook right now.  Can you not have a little patience to let me unpack?  Or do you just have nothing better to do?

The reason people are saying this is because you've replied several times with a lack of quotes, despite saying that you will dig some up.

Why bother replying if you're not going to answer the question? Youc could reply in a month's time with some really good research, and we would be fine about that!
T

I will.  It is hard enough for me to type from my phone, much less copy/paste information, make quotes, or even do any research.  I am in the process of moving.  And will hopefully have my desktop set up by the end of this weekend.  In the mean time, please excuse grammatical errors, typos, and even an occasional lack of replying.

No worries, I completely get it, it's much more difficult working with portable devices imho. Look forward to hearing from you soon!

The end of the weekend approaches. I'm ready to be made to look stupid.

The end of the weekend approaches. I'm ready to be made to look stupid.

If you actually believe that the Earth is a torus then that's easy, but I still am very confused about you.

Quote from: Dinosaur Neil on January 24, 2015, 04:34:34 PM

The end of the weekend approaches. I'm ready to be made to look stupid.

If you actually believe that the Earth is a torus then that's easy, but I still am very confused about you.

I'm not interested in your opinion, Mr Trustworthy 

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Quote from: Dinosaur Neil on January 24, 2015, 04:34:34 PM

The end of the weekend approaches. I'm ready to be made to look stupid.

If you actually believe that the Earth is a torus then that's easy, but I still am very confused about you.

I'm not interested in your opinion, Mr Trustworthy 

You believe in gravity right?  You must if you believe that the Earth orbits the Sun and the Moon orbits the Earth, so why do we fall towards the surface if the Earth is a torus?  Also, other planets are round so why not Earth?

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Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on January 19, 2015, 10:44:11 AM

Quote from: jroa on January 19, 2015, 10:41:41 AM

It is land with ice on it.   

So the ice wall is not a wall and should never be referred to as such?

It is a content covered with ice.  Yes, it can look like a wall of ice, but that does not mean it is a wall of ice.  What are you having trouble comprehending?  Is English your second language?

The explorers who have ventured furthest south have never mentioned seeing an ice wall.

Really, they never did?  Do I need to dig up some quotes for you, or are you not wanting to look stupid?

Is this suubject going to die for lack of quotes ?  Maybe jroa is still looking for his shovel to dig up some quotes ?

I am working from my phone, tablet and sometimes my tiny netbook right now.  Can you not have a little patience to let me unpack?  Or do you just have nothing better to do?

I will admit....Maybe this is another one of "My Big IMHO's", but some of might be a bit curious about those "quotes."

You don't have to "dig up" to  give the exact quotes or even the sources. Just  some idea of what they are and a general  idea of the gist of the quotes and what that had do so with the subject at hand.

Another "One Of My Big IMHO's". I am sure a lot of us have a lot of better things to do, but this website is a constant source of amazement and amusement. That is the reason at  least some of us keep coming back.  LOL. From viewers like us. Thank you, FES!

Quote from: Dinosaur Neil on January 25, 2015, 02:51:35 PM

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Quote from: Dinosaur Neil on January 24, 2015, 04:34:34 PM

The end of the weekend approaches. I'm ready to be made to look stupid.

If you actually believe that the Earth is a torus then that's easy, but I still am very confused about you.

I'm not interested in your opinion, Mr Trustworthy 

You believe in gravity right?  You must if you believe that the Earth orbits the Sun and the Moon orbits the Earth, so why do we fall towards the surface if the Earth is a torus?  Also, other planets are round so why not Earth?

Other planets have toroidal components. And the centre of mass of a torus is the same as it would be for a sphere.

Other planets have toroidal components.

Please elaborate.

Quote from: Dinosaur Neil on January 26, 2015, 11:08:21 AM

Other planets have toroidal components.

Please elaborate.

See...what I don't understand is how someone came up with a Toroidal earth theory...wouldn't we have found a massive gap in the earth by now? Sure, the physics works and everything, but through simple observation from space, or even air traffic, that should be ruled out. Unless the Toroidal earth is like an infinite loop in which we cannot leave the surface enough to observe the missing portion?

Quote from: Dinosaur Neil on January 26, 2015, 11:08:21 AM

Other planets have toroidal components.

Please elaborate.

Saturn, Uranus, Neptune and Jupiter have rings.

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Quote from: Dinosaur Neil on January 26, 2015, 11:08:21 AM

Other planets have toroidal components.

Please elaborate.

Saturn, Uranus, Neptune and Jupiter have rings.

The rings are space debris orbiting the planets.
Completely different and unrelated to your claims about the earth.

Quote from: kman on January 26, 2015, 02:44:28 PM

Quote from: Dinosaur Neil on January 26, 2015, 11:08:21 AM

Other planets have toroidal components.

Please elaborate.

Saturn, Uranus, Neptune and Jupiter have rings.

Firstly they are loose rings of debris an secondly the actual planets themselves are still spheres.