Evidence for FET and evidence for RET

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Evidence for FET and evidence for RET
« on: January 13, 2015, 06:16:00 PM »
I thought it would be interesting to make a list of all the arguments for FET and for RET just to have them in one place.  I know I have left of many, just tell me which arguments I have left off and I'll edit this post to add them.

Evidence for FET
1: The earth looks flat, so it must be flat.
2: It says so in the Bible
3: Bedford for flat-earth proofs

Evidence for RET

1: Very Long Baseline Interferometry (VLBI).
2: Long distance surveys
3: How ships disappear as they go out to sea
4: Celestial navigation
5: Stars rotate counter clockwise north of the equator and clockwise south of the equator.
6: Sun stays the same size from sunrise to sunset
7: Shadow of the earth seen from tall mountains
8: Shadow of the earth seen on the moon (lunar eclipse)
9: Satellites (GPS and others)
10: Air mass behaves as if it is on a rotating globe (wind is not in the direction of pressure gradient)
11: Gravity gets weaker at higher elevations
12: Ocean tides
13: Eclipses
14: Images from space
    Obj: All images from space are fake.
15: Any gyroscope
16: Radar VHF UHF transmission
17: gravity is less at equator
18: transit of Venus
19: speed of light
20: orbital periods of outer planet satellites vary over a 12 month period
21: seismic records
22: true distance from South America to Australia.
23: over the horizon radar
24: Doppler shift
25: all space shots
26: Coriolis
27: inertial navigation, celestial navigation
28: 24 hour sunlight at poles.
29: the moon's orbit is an ellipse
30: gravity on other planets is more or less
31: Coriolis don't work at equator
32: the south pole is real
33: weather
34: stellar aberration
35: Earth magnetic field runs North/South, converges at both poles
36: Jupiter's moon transit shadows
37: Lunar libration
38: Time of sunset varies by altitude and dependent up latitude
39: Both poles are cold
40: Moon is 'upside-down' down under, appears on its 'side' at the equator
41: Two tides a day
42: offset center of gravity of the moon,
43: full moon changes size with orbital radius,
44: inverse square law and it's effect on gravity
45: light and all electromagnetic radiation
46: The fact that the sun is visible at both poles for 24 hours but only 12 at the equator at the equinox.
« Last Edit: January 15, 2015, 02:35:24 PM by gpssjim »

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Pongo

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Re: Evidence for FET and evidence for RET
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2015, 07:01:41 PM »
Some would argue that many of your "proofs" of a round-earth are in fact proofs of a flat-earth. 

Also, don't forget about Bedford for flat-earth proofs.

Also, also, I fixed your list. 8) is converted to 8)
« Last Edit: January 13, 2015, 07:17:19 PM by Pongo »

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Re: Evidence for FET and evidence for RET
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2015, 07:05:25 PM »
Please remove "Images from space" from the list.
Read the FAQS.

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Re: Evidence for FET and evidence for RET
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2015, 07:21:13 PM »
Any gyroscope, motion of stars in southern hemisphere, radar VHF UHF transmission, gravity is less at equator. eclipses, transit of Venus, speed of light, orbital periods of outer planet satellites vary over a 12 month period, seismic records, true distance from South America to Australia. over the horizon radar, Doppler shift, all space shots, Coriolis, inertial navigation, celestial navigation, 24 hour sunlight at poles. the moon's orbit is an ellipse, gravity on other planets is more or less, Coriolis don't work at equator, large area surveying, basic trig, the south pole is real, weather, stellar aberration.

And septic.

 

Re: Evidence for FET and evidence for RET
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2015, 07:55:25 PM »
Some would argue that many of your "proofs" of a round-earth are in fact proofs of a flat-earth. 

Also, don't forget about Bedford for flat-earth proofs.

Also, also, I fixed your list. 8) is converted to 8)
Thanks changed to : instead, then saw this.  Do you have a reference for Bedford?  If there are 'proofs' that go in both columns, I'll be more specific about then and add them to each section.

Re: Evidence for FET and evidence for RET
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2015, 07:56:51 PM »
Please remove "Images from space" from the list.
I added an objection for that, I assume you mean that you think all images from space are fake.  Let me know if I'm wrong about that.

Re: Evidence for FET and evidence for RET
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2015, 08:05:08 PM »
Any gyroscope, motion of stars in southern hemisphere, radar VHF UHF transmission, gravity is less at equator. eclipses, transit of Venus, speed of light, orbital periods of outer planet satellites vary over a 12 month period, seismic records, true distance from South America to Australia. over the horizon radar, Doppler shift, all space shots, Coriolis, inertial navigation, celestial navigation, 24 hour sunlight at poles. the moon's orbit is an ellipse, gravity on other planets is more or less, Coriolis don't work at equator, large area surveying, basic trig, the south pole is real, weather, stellar aberration.

And septic.

 
Thanks, some were already in the list, let me know if I missed one.  I totally forgot about seismic -- how could I, I spent 9 months in Munich in the the early 90s working on signal processing software for seismic analysis.  Duh.
« Last Edit: January 13, 2015, 08:14:01 PM by gpssjim »

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Re: Evidence for FET and evidence for RET
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2015, 08:13:17 PM »
Got plenty more. Will probably repeat myself, drunk's memory.
Have a good day.

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Re: Evidence for FET and evidence for RET
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2015, 09:25:24 PM »
The fact that the sun is visible at both poles for 24 hours but only 12 at the equator at the equinox.

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Re: Evidence for FET and evidence for RET
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2015, 12:01:00 AM »
Two tides a day, offset center of gravity of the moon, full moon changes size with orbital radius, inverse square law and it's effect on gravity, light and all electromagnetic radiation and septic.

Re: Evidence for FET and evidence for RET
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2015, 04:38:09 AM »
Moon appears 'upside-down' if you are Northern Hemisphere resident in Southern Hemisphere and vice versa. Appears on its 'side' at equator.
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Re: Evidence for FET and evidence for RET
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2015, 04:39:03 AM »
Sun sets at different angle dependent upon latitude.
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Re: Evidence for FET and evidence for RET
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2015, 05:03:27 AM »
The pole's are cold. Their temp can be worked by trig, and septic.

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Re: Evidence for FET and evidence for RET
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2015, 07:45:32 AM »
huh, besides a vague "not uh" I don't see much proof being added by the FErs.
« Last Edit: January 14, 2015, 07:51:47 AM by Lemmiwinks »
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Re: Evidence for FET and evidence for RET
« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2015, 08:54:58 AM »
You see the sunset sooner at lower altitudes than in higher ones.

Oh, and sunsets.
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Re: Evidence for FET and evidence for RET
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2015, 08:56:01 AM »
Lunar libration
To a flat earth theorist, being a "skeptic" is to have confirmation bias.
Just because I'm a genius doesn't mean I know everything.

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Re: Evidence for FET and evidence for RET
« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2015, 08:56:51 AM »
Jupiter's moons transit shadows.
To a flat earth theorist, being a "skeptic" is to have confirmation bias.
Just because I'm a genius doesn't mean I know everything.

Re: Evidence for FET and evidence for RET
« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2015, 09:45:33 AM »
Great stuff!  I'll update the list in the next few days when I get some time.

Re: Evidence for FET and evidence for RET
« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2015, 02:38:23 PM »
Not much from FETers, surely there has to be more than 3.  Seems like a big difference between RET and FET is that all evidence seen is explained to a great degree of accuracy in RET, FET really no evidence and FETers spend their time trying to explain evidence and fail.  The round peg slides in the round hole, the square peg is being pounded to oblivion.

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Re: Evidence for FET and evidence for RET
« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2015, 02:43:01 PM »
Not much from FETers, surely there has to be more than 3.  Seems like a big difference between RET and FET is that all evidence seen is explained to a great degree of accuracy in RET, FET really no evidence and FETers spend their time trying to explain evidence and fail.  The round peg slides in the round hole, the square peg is being pounded to oblivion.

Scepti has been banned on accident, if he werent this would be all sorts of crazy.
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Re: Evidence for FET and evidence for RET
« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2015, 03:10:51 PM »
Some would argue that many of your "proofs" of a round-earth are in fact proofs of a flat-earth. 

Also, don't forget about Bedford for flat-earth proofs.

Also, also, I fixed your list. 8) is converted to 8)

Experimental results are only valid if they are reproducible.
The Bedford Level experiment fails in spades.

And tell you what, why don't you explain which things on the list of round proofs are in fact flat proofs? Because I don't see any which aren't better supporters of RET or TET.
« Last Edit: January 15, 2015, 03:14:35 PM by Dinosaur Neil »
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Re: Evidence for FET and evidence for RET
« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2015, 09:22:43 AM »
No more FET evidence?  I don't think there is much point in adding to the RET list at this point.  Unless someone posts some FET evidence, this thread is dead.  Just like FET.