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markjo

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Re: I won Heiwa's €1,000,000 challenge
« Reply #11760 on: February 15, 2020, 11:21:19 AM »
Why should ANYONE believe anything you say when it is clear you are incapable of researching even the most basic of concepts?
It's not only his inability to do research, it's his inability to accept research that has already been done by others who are much more proficient in their relevant fields than he is.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Re: I won Heiwa's €1,000,000 challenge
« Reply #11761 on: February 15, 2020, 12:56:21 PM »
Why should ANYONE believe anything you say when it is clear you are incapable of researching even the most basic of concepts?
It's not only his inability to do research, it's his inability to accept research that has already been done by others who are much more proficient in their relevant fields than he is.
Well he is the poster child for Dunning Kruger

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Re: I won Heiwa's €1,000,000 challenge
« Reply #11762 on: February 15, 2020, 01:46:59 PM »
There is no evidence that a blunt body produces a shock wave in front of the vehicle, etc.
Except for all scientific tests in wind tunnels, etc, that do show that the blunt body produces a shock wave in front of the vehicle.

Yes, a blunt body changes the flow in front of it but increase the velocity and the density of the gas that contacts the blunt nose, the blunt nose is suddenly destroyed.
Rubbish! Go and learn above hypersonic gas flow.
The blunt nose does not "increase the velocity . . . of the gas that contacts the blunt nose"!
Where did you get that notion from?
The blunt nose result in the shock wave being well away from the surface with a stagnation region in between.
You have to read what I say.
No, I don't and won't until you post evidence for this:
Yes, a blunt body changes the flow in front of it but increase the velocity and the density of the gas that contacts the blunt nose, the blunt nose is suddenly destroyed.
Any wind tunnel will confirm this basic experiment.
Show results of these wind tunnel tests that YOU claim confirm "a blunt body changes the flow in front of it but increase the velocity and the density of the gas that contacts the blunt nose, the blunt nose is suddenly destroyed."

Here, read, learn and inwardly digest these:
The earliest hypersonic flight was the X-15 and at the time there were small hypersonic wind tunnels:
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THE X-15 PROGRAM IN RETROSPECT
Hypersonic Aerodynamics
Hypersonic aerodynamics was in its early infancy in 1954. The few small hypersonic wind tunnels then in existence had been used almost entirely for fluid mechanics studies. They were unable to simulate either the high temperatures or the high Reynolds numbers of flight. Because of strongly interacting flow fields, viscous interactions with strong shocks, and possible real gas effects, it was generally feared that testing in these limited wind tunnels would not produce valid results. And it was expected that the X-15 would reveal large discrepancies between flight and ground test data (ref. 2). Our inability to devise ground facilities capable of true-temperature simulation was in fact in 1954 regarded as a sort of "facility barrier". All-out efforts were launched during that period to try to develop high-temperature facilities.

Figure 4. Typical comparison of wind-tunnel and flight aerodynamic data.

The X-15 program helped to expose the fallacies of this "facility barrier". Virtually all of the flight pressures and forces were found to be in excellent agreement with the low-temperature wind-tunnel predictions (refs. 11, 12, 13, and 14; fig. 4 shows two typical examples). Prior to the start of flight operations, it was learned by analysis that the "real gas" high-temperature effects in themselves were for the most part negligible below Mach 10. Thus the agreement noted above implies primarily an absence of any important scale effects on the pressures and forces (other than skin friction) for the X-15 configuration. (Footnote: Other configurations, notably the highly swept delta wing with trailing-edge flaps, have been found to exhibit important scale effects, not only hyper sonically but throughout the speed range.)

Concurrent with the first years of the X-15 flight program, a number of missile and space vehicle configurations were also successfully developed in small low-temperature hypersonic wind tunnels, and in a few cases limited flight data were obtained which provided some additional confirms tion of the wind-tunnel results. With this broad general validation, the bulk of which came from the X-15 results, the conventional low-temperature hypersonic wind tunnel became the accepted tool for configuration develop ment. The "true-temperature" hypersonic aerodynamics tunnel on the other hand, with its enormous operational and interpretational difficulties, has proved useful only for limited special problems where full temperature simulation is mandatory (ramjet combustor development, for example).

     NASA: 1247 Hypersonic Facilities Complex

Vacuum spheres at NASA's Langley Research Center in Virginia have been dusted by a light fall of snow in this 1969 photo. The spheres housed wind tunnels that were part of Langley's Hypersonic Facilities Complex. Image credit: NASA

     NASA: Hypersonic CF4 Tunnel

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WIND TUNNELS OF NASA
Chapter 6 - Wind Tunnels in the Space Age Langley's New Space-Related Wind Tunnels
When the Langley Aeronautical Laboratory was transferred to NASA it was renamed the Langley Research Center. The name change and switch from NACA to NASA signified a change in emphasis rather than a radically new mission. Indeed, Langley had been researching high-speed flight, developing heatresistant materials and structures, and firing multistage research rockets from Wallops Island, Virginia, for almost a decade. With its several hypersonic wind tunnels and wide experience with rocket testing, Langley became a cornerstone of NASA's space effort. With a mandate to place man into space and on the Moon quickly, NASA drew heavily on Langley's expertise and facilities. The Space Task Group, which led the Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo programs, was staffed mainly from Langley personnel.

There was already in place at Langley a wide spectrum of hypersonic/hypervelocity facilities. To meet the new challenges of manned space flight and NASA's aeronautical assignment, three important new wind tunnels were built during the 1960s.
A Million-Horsepower Methane Blowtorch
Officially known as the 8-foot High-Temperature Structures Tunnel, the goal of this facility was the realistic testing of flight structures under the stresses and high temperatures of hypersonic flight. In charge of this effort was Langley's Robert Howell. Existing hypersonic tunnels, even though capable of continuous flow, could not duplicate the structural problems encountered at these high velocities. Test section size was the basic limitation. Small-scale models were adequate for aerodynamic testing, but the buildup of thermal stresses in complex aerospace vehicles could...

n the 8-foot test section of the Langley high-temperature structures tanner, models are subjected to a Mach 7 gas flow provided by a huge methane burner.

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Re: I won Heiwa's €1,000,000 challenge
« Reply #11763 on: February 15, 2020, 10:04:38 PM »

At low velocities say 100 m/s a blunt nose deflects the air it encounters and there is no shock wave. The relative velocity nose/air at the nose 0 but the pressure is quite high.
But increase the velocity to say 1 000 m/s, there is still no shock wave and the pressure on the nose increses a lot and ... the nose is deformed and destroyed.
Easy to verify in any wind tunnel, if you can find one producing that wind speed. There is none in the USA but Russia has a secret one somewhere built in the 1950's, if you believe old communist propaganda

More lies from Heiwa. Or just more proof of his inability to research.

Multiple transonic, supersonic, and hypersonic wind tunnels in the US listed here
This one has been in operation for over 65 years.
Here is a US company that sells supersonic wind tunnels.

Why should ANYONE believe anything you say when it is clear you are incapable of researching even the most basic of concepts?
Well, just ask anyone of them to confirm that at supersonic Mach 5-10 a vehicle with a blunt nose experiences a shock wave that slows it down! What is the force acting on the vehicle? Shouldn't the force deform and heat up the vehicle? Etc, etc. NASA seems to have plenty of supersonic wind tunnels! Why isn't one enough?
« Last Edit: February 15, 2020, 10:07:29 PM by Heiwa »

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Re: I won Heiwa's €1,000,000 challenge
« Reply #11764 on: February 15, 2020, 10:32:31 PM »

At low velocities say 100 m/s a blunt nose deflects the air it encounters and there is no shock wave. The relative velocity nose/air at the nose 0 but the pressure is quite high.
But increase the velocity to say 1 000 m/s, there is still no shock wave and the pressure on the nose increses a lot and ... the nose is deformed and destroyed.
Easy to verify in any wind tunnel, if you can find one producing that wind speed. There is none in the USA but Russia has a secret one somewhere built in the 1950's, if you believe old communist propaganda

More lies from Heiwa. Or just more proof of his inability to research.

Multiple transonic, supersonic, and hypersonic wind tunnels in the US listed here
This one has been in operation for over 65 years.
Here is a US company that sells supersonic wind tunnels.

Why should ANYONE believe anything you say when it is clear you are incapable of researching even the most basic of concepts?
Well, just ask anyone of them to confirm that at supersonic Mach 5-10 a vehicle with a blunt nose experiences a shock wave that slows it down! What is the force acting on the vehicle? Shouldn't the force deform and heat up the vehicle? Etc, etc. NASA seems to have plenty of supersonic wind tunnels! Why isn't one enough?

Again, hilarious. You make a whole bunch of claims, e.g., "There is none (transonic, supersonic, and hypersonic wind-tunnels) in the USA..." You are immediately shown to be wrong and your rebuttal is, "Why isn't one (transonic, supersonic, and hypersonic wind-tunnel) enough?"

Comedy gold. You should take this bit on the road. You're a silly, silly man.

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Re: I won Heiwa's €1,000,000 challenge
« Reply #11765 on: February 16, 2020, 04:55:43 AM »

At low velocities say 100 m/s a blunt nose deflects the air it encounters and there is no shock wave. The relative velocity nose/air at the nose 0 but the pressure is quite high.
But increase the velocity to say 1 000 m/s, there is still no shock wave and the pressure on the nose increses a lot and ... the nose is deformed and destroyed.
Easy to verify in any wind tunnel, if you can find one producing that wind speed. There is none in the USA but Russia has a secret one somewhere built in the 1950's, if you believe old communist propaganda

More lies from Heiwa. Or just more proof of his inability to research.

Multiple transonic, supersonic, and hypersonic wind tunnels in the US listed here
This one has been in operation for over 65 years.
Here is a US company that sells supersonic wind tunnels.

Why should ANYONE believe anything you say when it is clear you are incapable of researching even the most basic of concepts?
Well, just ask anyone of them to confirm that at supersonic Mach 5-10 a vehicle with a blunt nose experiences a shock wave that slows it down! What is the force acting on the vehicle? Shouldn't the force deform and heat up the vehicle? Etc, etc. NASA seems to have plenty of supersonic wind tunnels! Why isn't one enough?

Again, hilarious. You make a whole bunch of claims, e.g., "There is none (transonic, supersonic, and hypersonic wind-tunnels) in the USA..." You are immediately shown to be wrong and your rebuttal is, "Why isn't one (transonic, supersonic, and hypersonic wind-tunnel) enough?"

Comedy gold. You should take this bit on the road. You're a silly, silly man.
Well, if you can find a US hypersonic wind-tunnel that can do tests at Mach 10, please tell me.

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frenat

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Re: I won Heiwa's €1,000,000 challenge
« Reply #11766 on: February 16, 2020, 06:10:20 AM »

At low velocities say 100 m/s a blunt nose deflects the air it encounters and there is no shock wave. The relative velocity nose/air at the nose 0 but the pressure is quite high.
But increase the velocity to say 1 000 m/s, there is still no shock wave and the pressure on the nose increses a lot and ... the nose is deformed and destroyed.
Easy to verify in any wind tunnel, if you can find one producing that wind speed. There is none in the USA but Russia has a secret one somewhere built in the 1950's, if you believe old communist propaganda

More lies from Heiwa. Or just more proof of his inability to research.

Multiple transonic, supersonic, and hypersonic wind tunnels in the US listed here
This one has been in operation for over 65 years.
Here is a US company that sells supersonic wind tunnels.

Why should ANYONE believe anything you say when it is clear you are incapable of researching even the most basic of concepts?
Well, just ask anyone of them to confirm that at supersonic Mach 5-10 a vehicle with a blunt nose experiences a shock wave that slows it down! What is the force acting on the vehicle? Shouldn't the force deform and heat up the vehicle? Etc, etc. NASA seems to have plenty of supersonic wind tunnels! Why isn't one enough?
Now you agree they have the tunnels? Different tunnels have different purposes and are different sizes. A little basic research on your part (or even just reading through the list provided) would show that but we all know you are incapable of that.
« Last Edit: February 16, 2020, 06:15:23 AM by frenat »

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Re: I won Heiwa's €1,000,000 challenge
« Reply #11767 on: February 16, 2020, 07:17:09 AM »

At low velocities say 100 m/s a blunt nose deflects the air it encounters and there is no shock wave. The relative velocity nose/air at the nose 0 but the pressure is quite high.
But increase the velocity to say 1 000 m/s, there is still no shock wave and the pressure on the nose increses a lot and ... the nose is deformed and destroyed.
Easy to verify in any wind tunnel, if you can find one producing that wind speed. There is none in the USA but Russia has a secret one somewhere built in the 1950's, if you believe old communist propaganda

More lies from Heiwa. Or just more proof of his inability to research.

Multiple transonic, supersonic, and hypersonic wind tunnels in the US listed here
This one has been in operation for over 65 years.
Here is a US company that sells supersonic wind tunnels.

Why should ANYONE believe anything you say when it is clear you are incapable of researching even the most basic of concepts?
Well, just ask anyone of them to confirm that at supersonic Mach 5-10 a vehicle with a blunt nose experiences a shock wave that slows it down! What is the force acting on the vehicle? Shouldn't the force deform and heat up the vehicle? Etc, etc. NASA seems to have plenty of supersonic wind tunnels! Why isn't one enough?
Now you agree they have the tunnels? Different tunnels have different purposes and are different sizes. A little basic research on your part (or even just reading through the list provided) would show that but we all know you are incapable of that.
?? Topic is wind tunnels that can test spacecrafts with blunt noses dropping into Earth atmosphere  at 20+ Mach. None of the tunnels in your list can do it.

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Re: I won Heiwa's €1,000,000 challenge
« Reply #11768 on: February 16, 2020, 07:21:37 AM »

At low velocities say 100 m/s a blunt nose deflects the air it encounters and there is no shock wave. The relative velocity nose/air at the nose 0 but the pressure is quite high.
But increase the velocity to say 1 000 m/s, there is still no shock wave and the pressure on the nose increses a lot and ... the nose is deformed and destroyed.
Easy to verify in any wind tunnel, if you can find one producing that wind speed. There is none in the USA but Russia has a secret one somewhere built in the 1950's, if you believe old communist propaganda

More lies from Heiwa. Or just more proof of his inability to research.

Multiple transonic, supersonic, and hypersonic wind tunnels in the US listed here
This one has been in operation for over 65 years.
Here is a US company that sells supersonic wind tunnels.

Why should ANYONE believe anything you say when it is clear you are incapable of researching even the most basic of concepts?
Well, just ask anyone of them to confirm that at supersonic Mach 5-10 a vehicle with a blunt nose experiences a shock wave that slows it down! What is the force acting on the vehicle? Shouldn't the force deform and heat up the vehicle? Etc, etc. NASA seems to have plenty of supersonic wind tunnels! Why isn't one enough?
Now you agree they have the tunnels? Different tunnels have different purposes and are different sizes. A little basic research on your part (or even just reading through the list provided) would show that but we all know you are incapable of that.
?? Topic is wind tunnels that can test spacecrafts with blunt noses dropping into Earth atmosphere  at 20+ Mach. None of the tunnels in your list can do it.
How would you know? You've proven that you didn't even read through the list. And you're already moving the goalposts. You previously asked for a tunnel that can do tests at mach 10. There are multiple tunnels on there that can do that. it isn't anyone else's fault that you suck at research.

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Re: I won Heiwa's €1,000,000 challenge
« Reply #11769 on: February 16, 2020, 07:33:49 AM »

At low velocities say 100 m/s a blunt nose deflects the air it encounters and there is no shock wave. The relative velocity nose/air at the nose 0 but the pressure is quite high.
But increase the velocity to say 1 000 m/s, there is still no shock wave and the pressure on the nose increses a lot and ... the nose is deformed and destroyed.
Easy to verify in any wind tunnel, if you can find one producing that wind speed. There is none in the USA but Russia has a secret one somewhere built in the 1950's, if you believe old communist propaganda

More lies from Heiwa. Or just more proof of his inability to research.

Multiple transonic, supersonic, and hypersonic wind tunnels in the US listed here
This one has been in operation for over 65 years.
Here is a US company that sells supersonic wind tunnels.

Why should ANYONE believe anything you say when it is clear you are incapable of researching even the most basic of concepts?
Well, just ask anyone of them to confirm that at supersonic Mach 5-10 a vehicle with a blunt nose experiences a shock wave that slows it down! What is the force acting on the vehicle? Shouldn't the force deform and heat up the vehicle? Etc, etc. NASA seems to have plenty of supersonic wind tunnels! Why isn't one enough?
Now you agree they have the tunnels? Different tunnels have different purposes and are different sizes. A little basic research on your part (or even just reading through the list provided) would show that but we all know you are incapable of that.
?? Topic is wind tunnels that can test spacecrafts with blunt noses dropping into Earth atmosphere  at 20+ Mach. None of the tunnels in your list can do it.
How would you know? You've proven that you didn't even read through the list. And you're already moving the goalposts. You previously asked for a tunnel that can do tests at mach 10. There are multiple tunnels on there that can do that. it isn't anyone else's fault that you suck at research.
It is my opinion based on knowledge.
Anyway no missiles or vehicles dropping down from space produce 'shock waves' when encountering atmosphere. They just heat up and are destroyed. Only NASA pseudo scientists have other ideas of course. And haven't won my Challenge (topic).

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Re: I won Heiwa's €1,000,000 challenge
« Reply #11770 on: February 16, 2020, 02:30:31 PM »
It is my opinion based on knowledge.
No, it is your delusion based on your advancing dementia.

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Anyway no missiles or vehicles dropping down from space produce 'shock waves' when encountering atmosphere.
You have posted no evidence for this but:
  • I have posted evidence that the X-15 flight data fitted almost exactly the hypersonic wind-tunnel measurements.
  • I have shown hypersonic wind-tunnel images that show otherwise.
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They just heat up and are destroyed.
Rubbish!
If you had anything supporting you crap you would post it so it's obvious that you are posting fairy stories fabricated to prop up your delusion that human space travel is not possible.

You go on and on about NASA this and NASA that, forgetting that U.S.S.R. was first in so many milestones in space:
    First manmade satellite in orbit - Sputnik I - Oct. 4, 1957.
    First spacecraft to reach the vicinity of the Earth's Moon - Luna 1 - Jan. 3, 1959.
    First spacecraft to be placed in heliocentric orbit - Luna 1, accidentally but it still happened - Jan. 3, 1959.
    First surface impact on the moon - Luna 2 - Sep. 12 1959.
    First photograph of the far side of the moon - Luna 3 - Oct. 4, 1959 - and it returned to earth and the film package reentered!
    First human in space - Yugi Gagarin - Apr. 12, 1961.
    First human to orbit the earth - Yugi Gagarin - Apr. 12, 1961.
    First woman in space - Valentina Tereshkova - Jun. 16, 1963.
    First crew of three astronauts in one spacecraft - Konstantin Feoktistov, Vladimir Komarov and Boris Yegorov - Oct. 12, 1964.
    First spacewalk - Alexey Leonov - Mar. 18, 1965.

And then, because of poor management and inadequate ground testing, the Russian Manned Lunar Space Program all went awry!

Stuff that in your pipe and smoke it, Mr Story Teller Extraordinaire!
For my fairy tales, I'll read Hans Christian Andersen and Aesop's Fables are far more believable than yours.

Take a look at:
     Inside the Soviets' Secret Failed Moon Program - I hope you can access that one.
     THE SOVIET MANNED LUNAR PROGRAM
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Largest explosion in space history rocks Tyuratam.
Largest explosion in space history rocks Tyuratam
On July 3, 1969, on the very eve of the Apollo-11 Moon landing, Soviet engineers made their second clandestine attempt to fly their giant Moon rocket. However, the mission ended just seconds after liftoff with a colossal explosion, effectively knocking down the USSR in the Moon Race, just days before NASA astronauts walked on the lunar surface.

Escape rockets fire at the top of the doomed N1 No. 5L vehicle, as it begins a devastating collapse back to its launch pad.


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Re: I won Heiwa's €1,000,000 challenge
« Reply #11771 on: February 16, 2020, 03:05:18 PM »
Anyway no missiles or vehicles dropping down from space produce 'shock waves' when encountering atmosphere. They just heat up and are destroyed. Only NASA pseudo scientists have other ideas of course. And haven't won my Challenge (topic).
Anyone familiar with aerodynamics should know that any object traveling Mach 1 or faster will produce a shock wave. 
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Heiwa

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Re: I won Heiwa's €1,000,000 challenge
« Reply #11772 on: February 16, 2020, 03:35:31 PM »
Anyway no missiles or vehicles dropping down from space produce 'shock waves' when encountering atmosphere. They just heat up and are destroyed. Only NASA pseudo scientists have other ideas of course. And haven't won my Challenge (topic).
Anyone familiar with aerodynamics should know that any object traveling Mach 1 or faster will produce a shock wave.
You are right. But the shock wave disappears, when it destroys the object  creating it.
According NASA and USSR (now Russian) asstronotic pseudo experts  a supersonic shock wave not only slows down the object (a spacecraft or an ICBM), it also cools it down, so it can land intact (or explode and destroy the enemy) but it is just propaganda. LOL! These pseudo experts suggest that the object compresses the air it encounters - a shock wave is formed - to hide the truth, i.e. that it is the air that compresses the high speed object until it is destroyed. No shock wave!
Of course it is a shock for any asstronut aboard the object and also one reason why nobody wins my Challenge.
« Last Edit: February 16, 2020, 03:42:29 PM by Heiwa »

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Re: I won Heiwa's €1,000,000 challenge
« Reply #11773 on: February 16, 2020, 03:57:09 PM »
But the shock wave disappears, when it destroys the object  creating it.
If you design the object properly, then the shock wave will not destroy it.  You know, properly designed things like fighter jets, rockets and space capsules.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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frenat

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Re: I won Heiwa's €1,000,000 challenge
« Reply #11774 on: February 16, 2020, 04:08:56 PM »

It is my opinion based on knowledge.
One of the few honest things you've ever posted and also one of the funniest. You've repeatedly shown yourself to be extremely lacking in knowledge, incapable of basic research even when it is given to you, and often just making nonsensical statements with nothing to back them up.

Thanks for the humor!

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MaNaeSWolf

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Re: I won Heiwa's €1,000,000 challenge
« Reply #11775 on: February 16, 2020, 10:05:35 PM »
If things cant survive earth re-entry, where do meteorites come from?

I have personally seen this one
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoba_meteorite

But I used to live close to this one
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vredefort_crater

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Re: I won Heiwa's €1,000,000 challenge
« Reply #11776 on: February 16, 2020, 10:17:57 PM »
Topic is something about space.

So I listened to a podcast with Robert Zubrin yesterday, and what he said about SpaceX's Mars ambitions.
https://www.thespaceshow.com/show/11-feb-2020/broadcast-3459-dr.-robert-zubrin
Its quite long.

But what he says was quite interesting.

SpaceX plans to build a butt load of Starships in the coming years.
The pessimistic view could be as many as 1 a week, maybe 1 a month at the very low end.
Launch cost of a few $'s a kg. This could all happen within the next few years.
This could change everything in how we see space travel, not just for frequency of flights, but cost of flights.

Amazing things can start to happen.
We could literally crowdfund enough money together to launch all the Flat Earthers into the sun.

LOL Elon Musk cant even fulfill the orders of the Tesla cars to meet demand

Then there is the fact that the company is probably going to fail soon. The losses are not sustainable
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimcollins/2019/08/21/tesla-has-failed-massively-as-a-public-company/#7c402b01dc22

That 'Boring' company of his is a joke too. It's literally all talk. Then there is is hyperloop dream which is basically just a toy of his and will in no way revolutionize transportation to the masses

Elon is all talk and very little walk. If he says Space-X is doing great and is pumping out all sorts of cool ideas, you can bet it's doing shit and that 'ideas' is where they will forever stay at

Your Forbes article was posted before Tesla recorded positive cash flow and its stock price soared. I think Forbes may be a bad place for your investing advice.

SpaceX has managed to out pace any rocket company in the world multiple times over.
They are currently so far a head of the competition, if it was not for government interventions, they would essentially be a monopoly by now (not that I am a fan of those)
For example, SpaceX is scheduled to launch the Dragon Maned casual to the ISS on May 7. They where awarded the same contract at the same time as Boeing to build a man rated casual to the ISS. They got 20% less funding to do so though.
Currently Boeing may have to delay their first manned launch to next year, or possible the year after if they cant sort their stuff out.
Last year SpaceX launched 13 out of the total 21 USA launches.
This year they are planning well over 20.

To call SpaceX and its aspirations a joke would be a mistake.

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Heiwa

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Re: I won Heiwa's €1,000,000 challenge
« Reply #11777 on: February 17, 2020, 01:39:47 AM »
Topic is my Challenge about space travel. Reason why there is no winner is simple! Space travel is not possible.
Of course space travel is possible.  Convincing you that manned space travel is possible is what's not possible.
Human space travel is not possible or even necessary. Only one way robotic space travel is possible into one orbit around Earth, if you think it is required.
Best is to watch space, stars and the Universe by looking up when the weather is fine.
Only idiots think wasting money on space trips is a good idea.

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Re: I won Heiwa's €1,000,000 challenge
« Reply #11778 on: February 17, 2020, 01:50:12 AM »
Only idiots think wasting money on space trips is a good idea.
Fun fact, China has massive sea faring capabilities, far outdoing the western world around the 1400's.
Unfortunately after the 1400's due to internal conflicts, and a growing centralized government they decided that Only idiots think wasting money on ship trips is a good idea
This is largely why China never colonized, and why we don't all speak mandarin.


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Re: I won Heiwa's €1,000,000 challenge
« Reply #11779 on: February 17, 2020, 02:44:12 AM »
Of course space travel is possible.  Convincing you that manned space travel is possible is what's not possible.
Human space travel is not possible.
Incorrect!
It's funny that you keep saying thing but are never able to provide any supporting evidence.

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Only one way robotic space travel is possible into one orbit around Earth.
Incorrect!
What about the 402 satellites in geosynchronous orbit (TV, weather, communications etc)?
What about the  83 GNSS satellites is use?
It's funny that you keep saying thing but are never able to provide any supporting evidence.

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Heiwa

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Re: I won Heiwa's €1,000,000 challenge
« Reply #11780 on: February 17, 2020, 08:50:15 AM »
Of course space travel is possible.  Convincing you that manned space travel is possible is what's not possible.
Human space travel is not possible.
Incorrect!
It's funny that you keep saying thing but are never able to provide any supporting evidence.

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Only one way robotic space travel is possible into one orbit around Earth.
Incorrect!
What about the 402 satellites in geosynchronous orbit (TV, weather, communications etc)?
What about the  83 GNSS satellites is use?
It's funny that you keep saying thing but are never able to provide any supporting evidence.
They are all in Earth orbits. Some put there by Arianespace AG, a company I like.

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Re: I won Heiwa's €1,000,000 challenge
« Reply #11781 on: February 17, 2020, 09:25:11 AM »
Heiwa, do you believe that different orbits around earth can come in different eccentricities?  And if so, do you believe something already in orbit has any means to change its eccentricity?
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Re: I won Heiwa's €1,000,000 challenge
« Reply #11782 on: February 17, 2020, 11:05:49 AM »
They are all in Earth orbits. Some put there by Arianespace AG, a company I like.
But they are not all in the same orbit.  In fact, geostationary orbits generally require several rocket engine burns to reach their assigned orbital slots plus any number of small thruster burns to maintain station keeping over its lifetime.  All of those burns require the satellite to know where it is, which way the thrusters are pointing, precisely when and for how long to fire the engines.  Those are all things that you say aren't possible, but are absolutely critical for those satellite to be of any use at all.
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Re: I won Heiwa's €1,000,000 challenge
« Reply #11783 on: February 17, 2020, 11:52:40 AM »
Of course space travel is possible.  Convincing you that manned space travel is possible is what's not possible.
Human space travel is not possible.
Incorrect!
It's funny that you keep saying thing but are never able to provide any supporting evidence.

Quote from: Heiwa
Only one way robotic space travel is possible into one orbit around Earth.
Incorrect!
What about the 402 satellites in geosynchronous orbit (TV, weather, communications etc)?
What about the  83 GNSS satellites is use?
It's funny that you keep saying thing but are never able to provide any supporting evidence.
They are all in Earth orbits. Some put there by Arianespace AG, a company I like.
You said  "Only one way robotic space travel is possible into one orbit around Earth.
They are not in  one orbit around Earth! They are in thousands of separate orbits. Satellites around Earth

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« Reply #11784 on: February 17, 2020, 05:05:20 PM »
Topic is something about space.

So I listened to a podcast with Robert Zubrin yesterday, and what he said about SpaceX's Mars ambitions.
https://www.thespaceshow.com/show/11-feb-2020/broadcast-3459-dr.-robert-zubrin
Its quite long.

But what he says was quite interesting.

SpaceX plans to build a butt load of Starships in the coming years.
The pessimistic view could be as many as 1 a week, maybe 1 a month at the very low end.
Launch cost of a few $'s a kg. This could all happen within the next few years.
This could change everything in how we see space travel, not just for frequency of flights, but cost of flights.

Amazing things can start to happen.
We could literally crowdfund enough money together to launch all the Flat Earthers into the sun.

LOL Elon Musk cant even fulfill the orders of the Tesla cars to meet demand

Then there is the fact that the company is probably going to fail soon. The losses are not sustainable
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimcollins/2019/08/21/tesla-has-failed-massively-as-a-public-company/#7c402b01dc22

That 'Boring' company of his is a joke too. It's literally all talk. Then there is is hyperloop dream which is basically just a toy of his and will in no way revolutionize transportation to the masses

Elon is all talk and very little walk. If he says Space-X is doing great and is pumping out all sorts of cool ideas, you can bet it's doing shit and that 'ideas' is where they will forever stay at
Article says the stock is at $225.(August if last year) Looks at stock now,$800. What was that article saying again?
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Re: I won Heiwa's €1,000,000 challenge
« Reply #11785 on: February 17, 2020, 07:02:08 PM »
LOL Elon Musk cant even fulfill the orders of the Tesla cars to meet demand
Tesla delivered a record 112,000 vehicles globally during the fourth quarter, significantly topping Wall Street estimates and achieving CEO Elon Musk’s year-end sales goal.

Wall Street expected Tesla to deliver 106,000 vehicles to customers during the fourth quarter, which would have just met the company’s annual delivery goal of between 360,000 and 400,000 vehicles, a 45% to 65% increase from 2018.

Tesla said it delivered approximately 367,500 vehicles last year, an impressive 50% jump from 2018.

Then there is the fact that the company is probably going to fail soon. The losses are not sustainable
Tell that to Amazon.  It took them about 7 years to finally make a profit.

Elon is all talk and very little walk. If he says Space-X is doing great and is pumping out all sorts of cool ideas, you can bet it's doing shit and that 'ideas' is where they will forever stay at
Proving that orbital class boosters can be built and reused reliably at a fraction of the cost of the rest of the industry ain't nothing to scoff at. 

Then there's the fact that SpaceX currently runs the largest constellation of satellites in orbit with (as of this morning) 297 operational StarLink satellites with thousands more in the works.  Limited satellite internet service should start later this year with more coverage available as the constellation grows.

I'd say that Elon knows how to walk.
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Re: I won Heiwa's €1,000,000 challenge
« Reply #11786 on: February 17, 2020, 08:05:01 PM »
LOL Elon Musk cant even fulfill the orders of the Tesla cars to meet demand
Tesla delivered a record 112,000 vehicles globally during the fourth quarter, significantly topping Wall Street estimates and achieving CEO Elon Musk’s year-end sales goal.

Wall Street expected Tesla to deliver 106,000 vehicles to customers during the fourth quarter, which would have just met the company’s annual delivery goal of between 360,000 and 400,000 vehicles, a 45% to 65% increase from 2018.

Tesla said it delivered approximately 367,500 vehicles last year, an impressive 50% jump from 2018.

Then there is the fact that the company is probably going to fail soon. The losses are not sustainable
Tell that to Amazon.  It took them about 7 years to finally make a profit.

Elon is all talk and very little walk. If he says Space-X is doing great and is pumping out all sorts of cool ideas, you can bet it's doing shit and that 'ideas' is where they will forever stay at
Proving that orbital class boosters can be built and reused reliably at a fraction of the cost of the rest of the industry ain't nothing to scoff at. 

Then there's the fact that SpaceX currently runs the largest constellation of satellites in orbit with (as of this morning) 297 operational StarLink satellites with thousands more in the works.  Limited satellite internet service should start later this year with more coverage available as the constellation grows.

I'd say that Elon knows how to walk.

All nonsense

There is far more demand for electric cars then Tesla can fulfil. Downgrading expectations is simply fudging the numbers to make you look like your performing well and on time.

Want a 'Tesla' car? Expect to be put on a waiting list years long. You cant simply rock up and order a new one to arrive next week

So when is Space X taking passengers to space? Richard Branson was also going to do something with his Virgin business. Yet, nothing, nada, zip, zilch, zero

And from what I heard, the passengers would only get to within a pubic hairs distance past what is deemed outer space. The alleged asstronuts floating in that tin can is still a few hundred kilomteres above where these flights would take anyone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_Galactic

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Virgin Galactic's founder, Richard Branson, had initially suggested that he hoped to see a maiden flight by the end of 2009,

And still has not reached space.

Like Mars One, it's all a hoax. I'm sure he's made plenty of money from twerps on the stock exchange though. Fools and their money are easily parted
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Re: I won Heiwa's €1,000,000 challenge
« Reply #11787 on: February 17, 2020, 09:25:19 PM »
All nonsense

There is far more demand for electric cars then Tesla can fulfil. Downgrading expectations is simply fudging the numbers to make you look like your performing well and on time.

Want a 'Tesla' car? Expect to be put on a waiting list years long. You cant simply rock up and order a new one to arrive next week

So when is Space X taking passengers to space? Richard Branson was also going to do something with his Virgin business. Yet, nothing, nada, zip, zilch, zero

And from what I heard, the passengers would only get to within a pubic hairs distance past what is deemed outer space. The alleged asstronuts floating in that tin can is still a few hundred kilomteres above where these flights would take anyone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_Galactic

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Virgin Galactic's founder, Richard Branson, had initially suggested that he hoped to see a maiden flight by the end of 2009,

And still has not reached space.

Like Mars One, it's all a hoax. I'm sure he's made plenty of money from twerps on the stock exchange though. Fools and their money are easily parted

Tesla cant go from nothing to producing the 10's of millions of cars thats produced in the world annually within in 10 years. Your expectations are crazy. No company can do that. The fact is that they are supply limited because of battery constraints. But each year they are increasing production volumes. This year they have 2 factories producing cars, quite possibly doubling their production volumes from 2019 volumes. By 2021 they should reach more than a million cars a year. VW and Toyota will have to play too if we want all the cars in the world to be electric. And Elon has pleaded with them to do that.

Virgin galactic is set to provide a roller coaster ride for rich people. Its not going to orbit either.
But SpaceX is different, they are building a Man rated capsule that will go to the ISS as part of a contract for NASA. It is not being built for tourists, so chances are, no tourist will ever fly on it. NASA has said its ready to fly from about May 7, will realistically be a few weeks later.
Boeing got the same contract as spaceX but at a higher price, and they are lagging behind spaceX. So id say they are doing quite well.

SpaceX is busy building the SS Starship, which is being made for tourists and to colonize the solar system. Its first flight article is about a third of the way done being built and should do its first test flights in a few months. This is the machine that will bring flight cost down to less than $100 per kg to orbit. The shuttle put 1kg in orbit for abound $60 000. So its a massive improvement.

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Re: I won Heiwa's €1,000,000 challenge
« Reply #11788 on: February 18, 2020, 01:17:21 AM »
Of course space travel is possible.  Convincing you that manned space travel is possible is what's not possible.
Human space travel is not possible.
Incorrect!
It's funny that you keep saying thing but are never able to provide any supporting evidence.

Quote from: Heiwa
Only one way robotic space travel is possible into one orbit around Earth.
Incorrect!
What about the 402 satellites in geosynchronous orbit (TV, weather, communications etc)?
What about the  83 GNSS satellites is use?
It's funny that you keep saying thing but are never able to provide any supporting evidence.
They are all in Earth orbits. Some put there by Arianespace AG, a company I like.
You said  "Only one way robotic space travel is possible into one orbit around Earth.
They are not in  one orbit around Earth! They are in thousands of separate orbits. Satellites around Earth
You are right. All orbits are around Earth. And that is all that can be achieved when launching spacecrafts into the Universe.

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Re: I won Heiwa's €1,000,000 challenge
« Reply #11789 on: February 18, 2020, 01:23:35 AM »
LOL Elon Musk cant even fulfill the orders of the Tesla cars to meet demand
Tesla delivered a record 112,000 vehicles globally during the fourth quarter, significantly topping Wall Street estimates and achieving CEO Elon Musk’s year-end sales goal.

Wall Street expected Tesla to deliver 106,000 vehicles to customers during the fourth quarter, which would have just met the company’s annual delivery goal of between 360,000 and 400,000 vehicles, a 45% to 65% increase from 2018.

Tesla said it delivered approximately 367,500 vehicles last year, an impressive 50% jump from 2018.

Then there is the fact that the company is probably going to fail soon. The losses are not sustainable
Tell that to Amazon.  It took them about 7 years to finally make a profit.

Elon is all talk and very little walk. If he says Space-X is doing great and is pumping out all sorts of cool ideas, you can bet it's doing shit and that 'ideas' is where they will forever stay at
Proving that orbital class boosters can be built and reused reliably at a fraction of the cost of the rest of the industry ain't nothing to scoff at. 

Then there's the fact that SpaceX currently runs the largest constellation of satellites in orbit with (as of this morning) 297 operational StarLink satellites with thousands more in the works.  Limited satellite internet service should start later this year with more coverage available as the constellation grows.

I'd say that Elon knows how to walk.

All nonsense

There is far more demand for electric cars then Tesla can fulfil. Downgrading expectations is simply fudging the numbers to make you look like your performing well and on time.

Want a 'Tesla' car? Expect to be put on a waiting list years long. You cant simply rock up and order a new one to arrive next week

So when is Space X taking passengers to space? Richard Branson was also going to do something with his Virgin business. Yet, nothing, nada, zip, zilch, zero

And from what I heard, the passengers would only get to within a pubic hairs distance past what is deemed outer space. The alleged asstronuts floating in that tin can is still a few hundred kilomteres above where these flights would take anyone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_Galactic

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Virgin Galactic's founder, Richard Branson, had initially suggested that he hoped to see a maiden flight by the end of 2009,

And still has not reached space.

Like Mars One, it's all a hoax. I'm sure he's made plenty of money from twerps on the stock exchange though. Fools and their money are easily parted
I am the happy owner of an 1999 Opel Agila that has done 130 000 kms since new without serious trouble. Consumption is 0.6 l/10 kms.
I could buy a European or Japan made electric car (or a Ferrari) today but they are very expensive in spite of state subsidies of the order €5-10 000:- per electric car. So I keep my Agila.
Going on a space trip inside a tin can? Not for me. There is nothing to see and do in space. Better to stay at a sunny place on Earth with good food and wine and good company. And avoid cheap cruises at sea.
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