I won Heiwa's €1,000,000 challenge

Quote from: NotSoSkeptical on December 20, 2019, 02:43:37 PM

Heiwa is a tool.  He just doesn't know it.

Well, fact is that I pay out €1,000,000:- if you can win my Challenges (topic - post #1). Show that nuclear weapons are real (since 1945), that humans can fly in space (since 1961), that 911 was planned and executed by Arabs (2001 and not Americans) and that man-made structures collapse by gravity from top down, that M/S Estonia lost its bow visor (1994) and that nuclear fusion is possible down the road from me in the near future. Nobel prize winners of all sorts claim my Challenges are easy but ... have failed to collect.

Nuclear fusion is possible; the sun has been doing it for five billion years. Now if you mean sustained and controlled nuclear fusion then we'll just have to science the shit out of it.

Quote from: Heiwa on December 20, 2019, 03:24:00 PM

Quote from: NotSoSkeptical on December 20, 2019, 02:43:37 PM

Heiwa is a tool.  He just doesn't know it.

Well, fact is that I pay out €1,000,000:- if you can win my Challenges (topic - post #1). Show that nuclear weapons are real (since 1945), that humans can fly in space (since 1961), that 911 was planned and executed by Arabs (2001 and not Americans) and that man-made structures collapse by gravity from top down, that M/S Estonia lost its bow visor (1994) and that nuclear fusion is possible down the road from me in the near future. Nobel prize winners of all sorts claim my Challenges are easy but ... have failed to collect.

Nuclear fusion is possible; the sun has been doing it for five billion years. Now if you mean sustained and controlled nuclear fusion then we'll just have to science the shit out of it.

Yes, I agree. One of my Challenges is to show that fusion works on Earth down the road from my office. The clowns down there are working hard since many years to get started but ... always need more money and time, bla, bla, bla. I really feel sorry for those fools. Maybe they should ask Elon Muck to assist?

Quote from: The Real Celine Dion on December 20, 2019, 03:26:06 PM

Nuclear fusion is possible; the sun has been doing it for five billion years. Now if you mean sustained and controlled nuclear fusion then we'll just have to science the shit out of it.

Yes, I agree. One of my Challenges is to show that fusion works on Earth down the road from my office.

Rubbish! Nobody could convince you that even H-bombs detonated  unless we sat you at ground-zero.

The clowns down there are working hard since many years to get started but ...

Nuclear fusion does work on Earth but you'd better hope that this one isn't tested "down the road from your office".

«Tsar Bomba». Test the most power explosion in history by Телеканал Звезда

Your failure to understand it proves nothing other than your inability to understand it.

Well, fact is that I pay out €1,000,000:

Is that a fact?  Is it really?  I have yet to see any evidence of this supposed "fact".

Quote from: Heiwa on December 20, 2019, 03:33:36 PM

Quote from: The Real Celine Dion on December 20, 2019, 03:26:06 PM

Nuclear fusion is possible; the sun has been doing it for five billion years. Now if you mean sustained and controlled nuclear fusion then we'll just have to science the shit out of it.

Yes, I agree. One of my Challenges is to show that fusion works on Earth down the road from my office.

Rubbish! Nobody could convince that even H-bombs detonated  unless we sat you at ground-zero.

Quote from: Heiwa

The clowns down there are working hard since many years to get started but ...

Nuclear fusion does work on Earth but you'd better hope that this one isn't tested "down the road from your office".

«Tsar Bomba». Test the most power explosion in history by Телеканал Звезда

Your failure to understand it proves nothing other than your inability to understand it.

Are you a murderer rab? No? Then clearly by the fact you have no issue putting a man at ground zero of a so called 'h bomb' shows even you believe they don't work as advertised

Hey Shifter, do you take Heiwa seriously?

Quote from: rabinoz on December 20, 2019, 04:39:59 PM

Quote from: Heiwa on December 20, 2019, 03:33:36 PM

Yes, I agree. One of my Challenges is to show that fusion works on Earth down the road from my office.

Rubbish! Nobody could convince you that even H-bombs detonated unless we sat you at ground-zero.
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Nuclear fusion does work on Earth but you'd better hope that this one isn't tested "down the road from your office".

Are you a murderer rab? No? Then clearly by the fact you have no issue putting a man at ground zero of a so called 'h bomb' shows even you believe they don't work as advertised

No, but you seem incapable of understanding English.

Where did I say that I "have no issue putting a man at ground zero"? Nowhere!

So as usual you are trying your straw-man tactics.

Quote from: Shifter on December 20, 2019, 06:03:17 PM

Quote from: rabinoz on December 20, 2019, 04:39:59 PM

Quote from: Heiwa on December 20, 2019, 03:33:36 PM

Yes, I agree. One of my Challenges is to show that fusion works on Earth down the road from my office.

Rubbish! Nobody could convince you that even H-bombs detonated unless we sat you at ground-zero.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Nuclear fusion does work on Earth but you'd better hope that this one isn't tested "down the road from your office".

Are you a murderer rab? No? Then clearly by the fact you have no issue putting a man at ground zero of a so called 'h bomb' shows even you believe they don't work as advertised

No, but you seem incapable of understanding English.

Where did I say that I "have no issue putting a man at ground zero"? Nowhere!

So as usual you are trying your straw-man tactics.

You don't like men made of straw? You're a racist!

Hey Shifter, do you take Heiwa seriously?

I have learned to appreciate our elders (bar rab). Heiwa has been around longer than most people on this forum. Only a fool would dismiss his wisdom.

Quote from: rabinoz on December 20, 2019, 06:40:04 PM

So as usual you are trying your straw-man tactics.

You don't like men made of straw?

I said nothing of the sort but I will say this, "You are a useless troll!" In case you've forgotten:

Internet Troll
In Internet slang, a troll is a person who starts quarrels or upsets people on the Internet to distract and sow discord by posting inflammatory and digressive, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into displaying emotional responses and normalizing tangential discussion, whether for the troll's amusement or a specific gain.

It fits you so perfectly.

And as usual you pretend not to understand one the main logical fallacies used by you flat Earth supporters. And in case you pretend that you don't know what that is:

Straw man
A straw man is a form of argument and an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man".

The typical straw man argument creates the illusion of having completely refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition through the covert replacement of it with a different proposition (i.e., "stand up a straw man") and the subsequent refutation of that false argument ("knock down a straw man") instead of the opponent's proposition. Straw man arguments have been used throughout history in polemical debate, particularly regarding highly charged emotional subjects.

Quote from: Yes on December 20, 2019, 06:29:30 PM

Hey Shifter, do you take Heiwa seriously?

I have learned to appreciate our elders (bar rab). Heiwa has been around longer than most people on this forum. Only a fool would dismiss his wisdom.

Wisdom does not always come with age.  Sometimes it's dementia.

Only a fool would dismiss his wisdom.

Correction:
Only one totally ignorant of of the advances in science and technology, like you, believe a pretender like Heiwa.

Now present evidence supporting Heiwa or buzz off.

Quote from: Shifter on December 20, 2019, 08:10:20 PM

Quote from: rabinoz on December 20, 2019, 06:40:04 PM

So as usual you are trying your straw-man tactics.

You don't like men made of straw?

I said nothing of the sort but I will say this, "You are a useless troll!" In case you've forgotten:

Quote

Internet Troll
In Internet slang, a troll is a person who starts quarrels or upsets people on the Internet to distract and sow discord by posting inflammatory and digressive, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into displaying emotional responses and normalizing tangential discussion, whether for the troll's amusement or a specific gain.

It fits you so perfectly.

The only thing that fits is you getting offended bit. The rest applied to me is nonsense. You can't be a troll if you believe in what you say with strong conviction. I know the truth. I might not be able to articulate it to your liking but I know what I know. It's like a dream. The moment you wake up it is logical. 2 minutes later you forget 95% of it and the other 5% you're like WTF?

Except I don't forget.

Look rab, I can't help that your over sensitive and get offended easy. I thought boomers like you were made of sterner stuff. You must be an exception.

Heiwa has made millions of euros. What do you have to show after your life's work?

You can't be a troll if you believe in what you say with strong conviction. I know THE truth.

Let's end this on the biggest joke of 2019. You claiming I know the truth!
I suppose a little ASI whispered it in your little pink ear. I'll believe that when

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Quote from: Shifter on December 20, 2019, 08:12:14 PM

Only a fool would dismiss his wisdom.

Correction:
Only one totally ignorant of of the advances in science and technology, like you, believe a pretender like Heiwa.

Now present evidence supporting Heiwa or buzz off.

The evidence that I am right is of course that nobody since 2010 (start if Challenges) has collected the €1M!!

Quote from: Shifter on December 20, 2019, 09:12:45 PM

You can't be a troll if you believe in what you say with strong conviction. I know THE truth.

Let's end this on the biggest joke of 2019. You claiming I know the truth!
I suppose a little ASI whispered it in your little pink ear. I'll believe that when

Now you have something against pink people? F*** U

The evidence that I am right is of course that nobody since 2010 (start if Challenges) has collected the €1M!!

That's quite irrelevant!
All the fuel requirements of the Apollo-11 mission have been presented but you simply dismiss it as FAKE.
Nobody could prove to you that a nuclear weapon did detonate without demonstrating it and nobody's going to do that.
It is your silly challenges that are the that are FAKE!

Quote from: Heiwa on December 20, 2019, 10:07:47 PM

The evidence that I am right is of course that nobody since 2010 (start if Challenges) has collected the €1M!!

That's quite irrelevant!
All the fuel requirements of the Apollo-11 mission have been presented but you simply dismiss it as FAKE.
Nobody could prove to you that a nuclear weapon did detonate without demonstrating it and nobody's going to do that.
It is your silly challenges that are the that are FAKE!

People don't just yell out FAKE for no reason. The American government did have many reasons to fake the Moon landing though. Also Nixon was a dick. You credit his administration with landing on the Moon?

<< Still the troll you always were. Thanks for confirming it, much obliged. >>

I think you need some of Lilly the Pink's medicinal compound:

Irish Rovers-Lilly The Pink

Quote from: Shifter on December 20, 2019, 10:15:34 PM

<< Still the troll you always were. Thanks for confirming it, much obliged. >>

I think you need some of Lilly the Pink's medicinal compound:

Irish Rovers-Lilly The Pink

Trolling is changing someone's quote for the explicit intention of being a dick to them. Thanks for the confirmation. Much obliged

People don't just yell out FAKE for no reason.

Incorrect, in many cases, they do just that!
Flat Earthers claim that all evidence against the FET must be fabricated, in other words, FAKE - you seem to like pink!
If you want proof of that, read this: Place of the Conspiracy in FET
Flat Earthers claim that every photo from space that shows the Earth to be a Globe must be FAKE.
Flat Earthers claim that every expedition across Antarctica that debunks "their map" must be FAKE.
Flat Earthers claim that since a finite flat Earth is impossible that gravity must be FAKE.

Need I go on?

Quote from: Shifter on December 20, 2019, 10:50:31 PM

People don't just yell out FAKE for no reason.

Incorrect, in many cases, they do just that!
Flat Earthers claim that all evidence against the FET must be fabricated, in other words, FAKE - you seem to like pink!
If you want proof of that, read this: Place of the Conspiracy in FET
Flat Earthers claim that every photo from space that shows the Earth to be a Globe must be FAKE.
Flat Earthers claim that every expedition across Antarctica that debunks "their map" must be FAKE.
Flat Earthers claim that since a finite flat Earth is impossible that gravity must be FAKE.

Need I go on?

Yes. You need..... To go!

Trolling is changing someone's quote for the explicit intention of being a dick to them.

No, it's not!
Now you are making up your own definitions too - that's akin to the straw man logical fallacy!

In any case, I didn't change YOUR quote, I rejected your post and substituted my own just as"

"I reject your reality and substitute my own!" from the 1984 Dungeonmaster.

Yes. You need..... To go!

I don't take orders from a troll who can't read plain English!

Quote from: Shifter on December 20, 2019, 10:57:01 PM

Trolling is changing someone's quote for the explicit intention of being a dick to them.

No, it's not!
Now you are making up your own definitions too - that's akin to the straw man logical fallacy!

In any case, I didn't change YOUR quote, I rejected your post and substituted my own just as"

"I reject your reality and substitute my own!" from the 1984 Dungeonmaster.

Quote from: Shifter on December 20, 2019, 11:07:27 PM

Yes. You need..... To go!

I don't take orders from a troll who can't read plain English!

Rab, you change my qoute for no other reason than to get a rise out of me (not that kind of rise!  ) Therefore that action makes your post a troll post. It added nothing. Pretty much all you do is troll. Your a globe head trolling flat earth forums for kicks. It's what you do. It's your entire retired life. It's pretty sad when you think about it 

Rab, you change my qoute for no other reason than to get a rise out of me (not that kind of rise!  )

I deleted your quote because I couldn't be bothered with your continual trolling - get used to facing facts for once.

Now run off and post something useful like helping poor Sceptimatic.

Quote from: Shifter on December 21, 2019, 12:12:54 AM

Rab, you change my qoute for no other reason than to get a rise out of me (not that kind of rise!  )

I deleted your quote because I couldn't be bothered with your continual trolling - get used to facing facts for once.

Now run off and post something useful like helping poor Sceptimatic.

If that were true you would have ignored it and moved on

Do you have any evidence that we landed on the Moon? We have telescopes that can make out a single star called Icarus, 5 billion light years away. That's roughly 4.73x10²² kilometres away. That's an insane amount of distance. Yet we cant get a telescope to resolve any man made junk supposedly left behind on the Moon?

We have satellites orbiting the moon yeah? Why no happy snaps of the rover? The satellites here on Earth can get a pretty clear picture of my car in my driveway afterall....

Quote from: rabinoz on December 21, 2019, 12:35:04 AM

Quote from: Shifter on December 21, 2019, 12:12:54 AM

Rab, you change my qoute for no other reason than to get a rise out of me (not that kind of rise!  )

I deleted your quote because I couldn't be bothered with your continual trolling - get used to facing facts for once.

Now run off and post something useful like helping poor Sceptimatic.

If that were true you would have ignored it and moved on

Do you have any evidence that we landed on the Moon? We have telescopes that can make out a single star called Icarus, 5 billion light years away. That's roughly 4.73x10²² kilometres away. That's an insane amount of distance. Yet we cant get a telescope to resolve any man made junk supposedly left behind on the Moon?

We have satellites orbiting the moon yeah? Why no happy snaps of the rover? The satellites here on Earth can get a pretty clear picture of my car in my driveway afterall....

Gentlemen, there is no evidence that NASA has satellites orbiting the Moon. So, please, keep on topic (post #1).

Quote from: Shifter on December 21, 2019, 12:56:24 AM

Quote from: rabinoz on December 21, 2019, 12:35:04 AM

Quote from: Shifter on December 21, 2019, 12:12:54 AM

Rab, you change my qoute for no other reason than to get a rise out of me (not that kind of rise!  )

I deleted your quote because I couldn't be bothered with your continual trolling - get used to facing facts for once.

Now run off and post something useful like helping poor Sceptimatic.

If that were true you would have ignored it and moved on

Do you have any evidence that we landed on the Moon? We have telescopes that can make out a single star called Icarus, 5 billion light years away. That's roughly 4.73x10²² kilometres away. That's an insane amount of distance. Yet we cant get a telescope to resolve any man made junk supposedly left behind on the Moon?

We have satellites orbiting the moon yeah? Why no happy snaps of the rover? The satellites here on Earth can get a pretty clear picture of my car in my driveway afterall....

Gentlemen, there is no evidence that NASA has satellites orbiting the Moon. So, please, keep on topic (post #1).

My point being that if we had satellites orbiting the moon we would also have happy snaps of what we left behind

Given there are no pictures of the Luna surface that shows our junk, it's evidence that not only did we NOT land on the Moon, but there are also no satellites in orbit of it.

Do you have any evidence that we landed on the Moon?

There's an almost unlimited amount available but I, or course, do not personally have any.
Do you have any real evidence that the didn't?

We have telescopes that can make out a single star called Icarus, 5 billion light years away. That's roughly 4.73x10²² kilometres away. That's an insane amount of distance. Yet we cant get a telescope to resolve any man made junk supposedly left behind on the Moon?

So you know nothing about telescope optical resolution, figures.
Seeing a star is determined by the "light gathering power" of a telescope but resolving two close stars depends on angular resolution.

The theoretical resolution of an 8 m telescope is about 0.014 arcseconds.
But the Keck 10 m (33 ft) aperture telescopes only manage an angular resolution of about 0.04 arcsecond limited largely by the atmosphere.
So, with the Moon 384,400 km away even that Keck 10 m aperture telescope could not resolve objects closer than 74.5 metres.
The HST could do no better because it only has a 2.4 m mirror.

We have satellites orbiting the moon yeah? Why no happy snaps of the rover? The satellites here on Earth can get a pretty clear picture of my car in my driveway afterall....

Really? Show us these photos. But yes KH-11 type spy satellites, with Hubble type cameras, can show cars and people. From an altitude of 200 km (any lower and they'll not stay long in orbit) they might resolve 15 cm.

But the LRO doesn't have anything like the HST though it can orbit lower a get photos like those in:
         NASA Spacecraft Images Offer Sharper Views of Apollo Landing Sites
This sort of thing:






See NASA site for details.

So this is totally incorrect!

Given there are no pictures of the Luna surface that shows our junk, it's evidence that not only did we NOT land on the Moon, but there are also no satellites in orbit of it.

There are photos of the Lunar surface showing details of the tracks and the bits left behind so I'd say that is evidence that the Apollo missions did "land on the Moon" and that there is at least the LRO "in orbit of it" - still after 10 years.

Here you go rab. Not my house but closer to yours. Maybe it is yours?? 

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Deception+Bay+QLD+4508/@-27.1872765,153.0141311,62m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x6b93f01e0b76b625:0x502a35af3de8680!8m2!3d-27.1900809!4d153.0172028