I won Heiwa's €1,000,000 challenge

I think he's talking about his hyperdimensional time-traveling sci-fi history.  He alludes to it from time to time.

It's only Sci. No Fi.

I forget you guys can only look backwards from this date whereas I can look forwards to the correct and updated 'version'

Revisionist future history. 

I forget you guys can only look backwards from this date whereas I can look forwards to the correct and updated 'version'

No, I don't forget that you "can look forward to the correct and updated 'version' "! I just ignore rubbish like that.

Quote from: Shifter on November 11, 2019, 03:15:48 PM

I forget you guys can only look backwards from this date whereas I can look forwards to the correct and updated 'version'

No, I don't forget that you "can look forward to the correct and updated 'version' "! I just ignore rubbish like that.

Yeah, typical rab. Considers the truth and facts to be rubbish while remaining blissfully ignorant in the dark ages

Quote from: rabinoz on November 11, 2019, 12:50:30 PM

Quote from: Shifter on November 11, 2019, 11:31:32 AM

Quote from: Yes on November 11, 2019, 11:30:54 AM

Here you go, bro:   https://history.nasa.gov/afj/ap11fj/pdf/19740072963_as11-entry-analysis-19700220.pdf

Nice work of fiction you got there

And where is your evidence for such a claim? Have YOU read all of it?

I know man has not gone to the Moon. Yet. So therefore I know that article is rubbish. Not saying it's complete rubbish. Some of the math would work. But it hasn't been done in practice. Yet.

Thanks. And it will never be done for simple reasons, e.g. you cannot carry the fuel with you and you cannot land on Earth again.
Try to win my Challenge (topic) and you will understand it at once.

Quote from: rabinoz on November 11, 2019, 07:04:32 PM

Quote from: Shifter on November 11, 2019, 03:15:48 PM

I forget you guys can only look backwards from this date whereas I can look forwards to the correct and updated 'version'

No, I don't forget that you "can look forward to the correct and updated 'version' "! I just ignore rubbish like that.

Yeah, typical rab. Considers the truth and facts to be rubbish while remaining blissfully ignorant in the dark ages

"Truth and facts" seem to be a matter of opinion around here.

Quote from: Shifter on November 11, 2019, 03:04:25 PM

Quote from: markjo on November 11, 2019, 03:01:05 PM

Quote from: Shifter on November 11, 2019, 01:24:59 PM

I know man has not gone to the Moon. Yet. So therefore I know that article is rubbish. Not saying it's complete rubbish. Some of the math would work. But it hasn't been done in practice. Yet.

And you know all of this because...?

History

History tells us that 12 men landed and walked on the moon.

It was Fake News then and today. Like the return trips and landings/re-entries on a rotating Earth. NASA simply forgot to consider that Earth was rotating a lot while the asstronots were doing their shows.

History tells us that 12 men landed and walked on the moon.

Bible tells us someone died for a few days and then stopped being dead.

Like the return trips and landings/re-entries on a rotating Earth. NASA simply forgot to consider that Earth was rotating a lot while the asstronots were doing their shows.

Why do you keep saying obvious things like that as if you're the first one to ever think them?

Quote from: Heiwa on November 11, 2019, 07:45:13 PM

Like the return trips and landings/re-entries on a rotating Earth. NASA simply forgot to consider that Earth was rotating a lot while the asstronots were doing their shows.

Why do you keep saying obvious things like that as if you're the first one to ever think them?

? Hm, asstronuts planning to land on Earth after an impossible trip in space must consider that Earth rotates. Normal pilots landing air planes on Earth do not have to do it, as their planes rotate with the Earth. To land on Earth after a trip in space you must locate your start position (B) at the top of the atmosphere. That position B is moving at high speed all the time due to Earth's rotation and you have to pass it at the right time, speed and direction to avoid missing the right landing site down on ground. Anyway, NASA and Buzz PhD didn't understand it.

Why do they have to land where they took off?

To land on Earth after a trip in space you must locate your start position (B) at the top of the atmosphere. That position B is moving at high speed all the time due to Earth's rotation and you have to pass it at the right time, speed and direction to avoid missing the right landing site down on ground.

What if the "right landing site" was anywhere within a hundred square miles of the pacific ocean, and the reentry window at the top of the moving atmosphere had been pre-calculated far in advance?  In those cases, your objections sound merely like an expression of your own incredulity.  Entering that reentry window at the right time, speed, and direction was not a coincidence.

That's for the Apollo missions.  These days, some spacecraft companies can land rockets with extreme precision.

Quote from: markjo on November 11, 2019, 08:20:01 PM

Quote from: Heiwa on November 11, 2019, 07:45:13 PM

Like the return trips and landings/re-entries on a rotating Earth. NASA simply forgot to consider that Earth was rotating a lot while the asstronots were doing their shows.

Why do you keep saying obvious things like that as if you're the first one to ever think them?

? Hm, asstronuts planning to land on Earth after an impossible trip in space must consider that Earth rotates.

What makes you think that they didn't consider it?

Normal pilots landing air planes on Earth do not have to do it, as their planes rotate with the Earth.

US Navy pilots landing on an aircraft carrier have to manually aim for a target on a platform that's about a mile too short, moving at around 30 knots, pitching and rolling with the sea swells and angled about 9 degrees to the left.  Sometimes they even have to do that at night and in bad weather with minimal lighting.  Apollo reentry was probably pretty easy compared to that.

To land on Earth after a trip in space you must locate your start position (B) at the top of the atmosphere. That position B is moving at high speed all the time due to Earth's rotation and you have to pass it at the right time, speed and direction to avoid missing the right landing site down on ground. Anyway, NASA and Buzz PhD didn't understand it.

Where do you get you information on what NASA does and doesn't know?  And why are you so obsessed with Buzz?  It's almost as if you think that he was the entire brains behind the Apollo program.

Quote from: Heiwa on November 12, 2019, 02:19:15 AM

To land on Earth after a trip in space you must locate your start position (B) at the top of the atmosphere. That position B is moving at high speed all the time due to Earth's rotation and you have to pass it at the right time, speed and direction to avoid missing the right landing site down on ground.

What if the "right landing site" was anywhere within a hundred square miles of the pacific ocean, and the reentry window at the top of the moving atmosphere had been pre-calculated far in advance?  In those cases, your objections sound merely like an expression of your own incredulity.  Entering that reentry window at the right time, speed, and direction was not a coincidence.

That's for the Apollo missions.  These days, some spacecraft companies can land rockets with extreme precision.

Topic is my Challenge which includes a safe landing on Earth after a trip in space. Planet Earth orbits the Sun while rotating around its poles = it is a mowing target.
NASA/Buzz PhD suggest your spacecraft with mass say 5000 kg enters at location B at ~110 000 m altitude (top of atmosphere) at >11 000 m/s and then during 1000 seconds glides through the atmosphere. The atmosphere gets denser and denser and slows you down. And then you release a parachute and drop down on ground or sea for a touch down. Sounds easy!
But how can thin air stop anything dropping down from space? A heat shield? No, it just stops you from burning. So what slows you down? Air friction? Turbulence? Please, don't suggest it. It is just Buzz/NASA nonsense.

Are you suggesting that parachutes dont exist?

And why are you so obsessed with Buzz?  It's almost as if you think that he was the entire brains behind the Apollo program.

Well Buzz says he is an 1963 MIT PhD expert of astronautics and likes drinking but has not been able to explain how he managed to land on Earth after a trip to the Moon. It think Buzz is a big fraud that never went to the Moon. Haven't you understood that? 

So what slows you down? Air friction? Turbulence? Please, don't suggest it. It is just Buzz/NASA nonsense.

Have you ever heard of terminal velocity?  It changes with air density.

Quote from: Heiwa on November 12, 2019, 07:29:30 AM

So what slows you down? Air friction? Turbulence? Please, don't suggest it. It is just Buzz/NASA nonsense.

Have you ever heard of terminal velocity?  It changes with air density.

Yes I have. But I doubt PhD Buzz does. Ask him! Offer him a couple of drinks! Double.

Quote from: markjo on November 12, 2019, 07:36:48 AM

Have you ever heard of terminal velocity?  It changes with air density.

Yes I have. But I doubt PhD Buzz does.

Why do you doubt that "PhD Buzz" has never heard of terminal velocity?  And why would that matter towards your own (mis)understanding of reentry?

Quote from: Shifter on November 11, 2019, 01:24:59 PM

Quote from: rabinoz on November 11, 2019, 12:50:30 PM

Quote from: Shifter on November 11, 2019, 11:31:32 AM

Quote from: Yes on November 11, 2019, 11:30:54 AM

Here you go, bro:   https://history.nasa.gov/afj/ap11fj/pdf/19740072963_as11-entry-analysis-19700220.pdf

Nice work of fiction you got there

And where is your evidence for such a claim? Have YOU read all of it?

I know man has not gone to the Moon. Yet. So therefore I know that article is rubbish. Not saying it's complete rubbish. Some of the math would work. But it hasn't been done in practice. Yet.

Thanks. And it will never be done for simple reasons, e.g. you cannot carry the fuel with you and you cannot land on Earth again.
Try to win my Challenge (topic) and you will understand it at once.

It won't be done using chemical fuel that's for sure. The best we can hope for using this fuel is smashing toy cars on its surface as the Indians allegedly did not long ago.

A human with a life support system and no where to take a dump having to brake, land without a scratch, bounce around for a few minutes to justify the billions spent to whip out your dick and go for a world record of who can shoot the furthest piss stream, take off and somehow land on rock with a 1 trillion cubic kilometre area with pin point accuracy and only seconds of fuel left in the tank while not smashing or incinerating as you approach the surface at 11km/s.... Just can't be done. And what government would fund this pissing contest to even try something so ludicrous?

Quote from: Heiwa on November 11, 2019, 07:16:33 PM

Quote from: Shifter on November 11, 2019, 01:24:59 PM

Quote from: rabinoz on November 11, 2019, 12:50:30 PM

Quote from: Shifter on November 11, 2019, 11:31:32 AM

Quote from: Yes on November 11, 2019, 11:30:54 AM

Here you go, bro:   https://history.nasa.gov/afj/ap11fj/pdf/19740072963_as11-entry-analysis-19700220.pdf

Nice work of fiction you got there

And where is your evidence for such a claim? Have YOU read all of it?

I know man has not gone to the Moon. Yet. So therefore I know that article is rubbish. Not saying it's complete rubbish. Some of the math would work. But it hasn't been done in practice. Yet.

Thanks. And it will never be done for simple reasons, e.g. you cannot carry the fuel with you and you cannot land on Earth again.
Try to win my Challenge (topic) and you will understand it at once.

It won't be done using chemical fuel that's for sure. The best we can hope for using this fuel is smashing toy cars on its surface as the Indians allegedly did not long ago.

A human with a life support system and no where to take a dump having to brake, land without a scratch, bounce around for a few minutes to justify the billions spent to whip out your dick and go for a world record of who can shoot the furthest piss stream, take off and somehow land on rock with a 1 trillion cubic kilometre area with pin point accuracy and only seconds of fuel left in the tank while not smashing or incinerating as you approach the surface at 11km/s.... Just can't be done. And what government would fund this pissing contest to even try something so ludicrous?

Thanks! The US government funds it since the 1950's.  My Challenge (topic) nobody has won ... because humans cannot fly in space outside Earth. Only in air close to Earth ground.

This Sunday morning I went to post a letter and, as the receiver likes certain stamps, I had to cross the border and deposit the letter there, so it could handle it. I am not a citizen of neither countries of the border, I just live at their border since 1980. Anyway, the letter was put in the box and tomorrow morning the box will be emptied, so my letter can be forwarded north. And what was the letter about?  Actually topic.  I just do my job.  When strange things happens, people wonder what really happened. Normally it is about ships. When ships mysteriously sinks, I get interested.  Same with Japanese towns disappearing in dust, American and USSR asstrocosmotronuts flying in space, and so on. It is a great show. I stopped laughing a long time ago.

This Sunday morning I went to post a letter and, as the receiver likes certain stamps, I had to cross the border and deposit the letter there, so it could handle it. I am not a citizen of neither countries of the border, I just live at their border since 1980. Anyway, the letter was put in the box and tomorrow morning the box will be emptied, so my letter can be forwarded north. And what was the letter about?  Actually topic.  I just do my job.  When strange things happens, people wonder what really happened. Normally it is about ships. When ships mysteriously sinks, I get interested.  Same with Japanese towns disappearing in dust, American and USSR asstrocosmotronuts flying in space, and so on. It is a great show. I stopped laughing a long time ago.

The USSR doesn't exist anymore.  Hasn't for 30 years.

Quote from: Heiwa on November 17, 2019, 03:02:06 AM

This Sunday morning I went to post a letter and, as the receiver likes certain stamps, I had to cross the border and deposit the letter there, so it could handle it. I am not a citizen of neither countries of the border, I just live at their border since 1980. Anyway, the letter was put in the box and tomorrow morning the box will be emptied, so my letter can be forwarded north. And what was the letter about?  Actually topic.  I just do my job.  When strange things happens, people wonder what really happened. Normally it is about ships. When ships mysteriously sinks, I get interested.  Same with Japanese towns disappearing in dust, American and USSR asstrocosmotronuts flying in space, and so on. It is a great show. I stopped laughing about it a long time ago.

The USSR doesn't exist anymore.  Hasn't for 30 years.

I know, but USA had good relations with USSR to win WW2 and develop fake nuclear weapons in the process back in 1945 and this big biz/hoax is still 2019 on. Later, 50's +, USA/USSR met in space (topic) and this other hoax also is still going on today. Only problem is Ukraine ... ! Why would Trump chat/twitter with the Ukraine president about the Biden connections with Ukraine mafia?

Quote from: NotSoSkeptical on November 17, 2019, 07:06:02 AM

Quote from: Heiwa on November 17, 2019, 03:02:06 AM

This Sunday morning I went to post a letter and, as the receiver likes certain stamps, I had to cross the border and deposit the letter there, so it could handle it. I am not a citizen of neither countries of the border, I just live at their border since 1980. Anyway, the letter was put in the box and tomorrow morning the box will be emptied, so my letter can be forwarded north. And what was the letter about?  Actually topic.  I just do my job.  When strange things happens, people wonder what really happened. Normally it is about ships. When ships mysteriously sinks, I get interested.  Same with Japanese towns disappearing in dust, American and USSR asstrocosmotronuts flying in space, and so on. It is a great show. I stopped laughing about it a long time ago.

The USSR doesn't exist anymore.  Hasn't for 30 years.

I know, but USA had good relations with USSR to win WW2 and develop fake nuclear weapons in the process back in 1945 and this big biz/hoax is still 2019 on. Later, 50's +, USA/USSR met in space (topic) and this other hoax also is still going on today. Only problem is Ukraine ... ! Why would Trump chat/twitter with the Ukraine president about the Biden connections with Ukraine mafia?

Corruption is illegal.  Good enough reason.

Quote from: Heiwa on November 17, 2019, 08:11:25 AM

Quote from: NotSoSkeptical on November 17, 2019, 07:06:02 AM

Quote from: Heiwa on November 17, 2019, 03:02:06 AM

This Sunday morning I went to post a letter and, as the receiver likes certain stamps, I had to cross the border and deposit the letter there, so it could handle it. I am not a citizen of neither countries of the border, I just live at their border since 1980. Anyway, the letter was put in the box and tomorrow morning the box will be emptied, so my letter can be forwarded north. And what was the letter about?  Actually topic.  I just do my job.  When strange things happens, people wonder what really happened. Normally it is about ships. When ships mysteriously sinks, I get interested.  Same with Japanese towns disappearing in dust, American and USSR asstrocosmotronuts flying in space, and so on. It is a great show. I stopped laughing about it a long time ago.

The USSR doesn't exist anymore.  Hasn't for 30 years.

I know, but USA had good relations with USSR to win WW2 and develop fake nuclear weapons in the process back in 1945 and this big biz/hoax is still 2019 on. Later, 50's +, USA/USSR met in space (topic) and this other hoax also is still going on today. Only problem is Ukraine ... ! Why would Trump chat/twitter with the Ukraine president about the Biden connections with Ukraine mafia?

Corruption is illegal.  Good enough reason.

Are you so naοve that you think your government would never get dirty or corrupt? What a twerp you are!

Quote from: NotSoSkeptical on November 17, 2019, 12:15:16 PM

Corruption is illegal.  Good enough reason.

Are you so naοve that you think your government would never get dirty or corrupt? What a twerp you are!

Are you so lacking in understanding that you think "Corruption is illegal" means "you think your government would never get dirty or corrupt"?

What a ignoramus you are!

Quote from: Shifter on November 17, 2019, 03:53:20 PM

Quote from: NotSoSkeptical on November 17, 2019, 12:15:16 PM

Corruption is illegal.  Good enough reason.

Are you so naοve that you think your government would never get dirty or corrupt? What a twerp you are!

Are you so lacking in understanding that you think "Corruption is illegal" means "you think your government would never get dirty or corrupt"?

What a ignoramus you are!

Oh here comes the head guttersnipe telling us that governments are benevolent and never lie to its people

Go away rab!

Quote from: rabinoz on November 17, 2019, 07:02:10 PM

Are you so lacking in understanding that you think "Corruption is illegal" means "you think your government would never get dirty or corrupt"?

What a ignoramus you are!

Oh here comes the head guttersnipe telling us that governments are benevolent and never lie to its people

Go away rab!

Are you so lacking in understanding that you think explaining "Corruption is illegal" does not mean "you think your government would never get dirty or corrupt" means that "that governments are benevolent and never lie to its people."

What a ignoramus you are!

Are you looking into that dementia treatment yet? It might finally keep you from becoming a grumpy middle aged man.

Quote from: Shifter on November 17, 2019, 08:26:49 PM

Quote from: rabinoz on November 17, 2019, 07:02:10 PM

Are you so lacking in understanding that you think "Corruption is illegal" means "you think your government would never get dirty or corrupt"?

What a ignoramus you are!

Oh here comes the head guttersnipe telling us that governments are benevolent and never lie to its people

Go away rab!

Are you so lacking in understanding that you think explaining "Corruption is illegal" does not mean "you think your government would never get dirty or corrupt" means that "that governments are benevolent and never lie to its people."

What a ignoramus you are!

Are you looking into that dementia treatment yet? It might finally keep you from becoming a grumpy middle aged man.

It's hard to take you defending a government given they have started the worst bushfire this country has seen.

But this topic is about whether humans can get to the moon and back. So we hy don't you spend your efforts trying to win the challenge. Which of course you can't because the premise of getting man to the moon and back especially for the 1960s is preposterous.