I won Heiwa's €1,000,000 challenge

Quote from: Woody on April 25, 2016, 09:14:16 AM

Quote from: Heiwa on April 24, 2016, 11:21:38 PM

Quote from: markjo on April 24, 2016, 08:25:10 PM

First of all, that document was moved here:
https://archive.org/details/nasa_techdoc_19900066485

Secondly, I didn't ask about the Saturn V total fuel load.  I asked about your claim that anyone has ever claimed to have put 341,000 kg into earth orbit.

Thirdly, I've been to your site and I am not at all impressed by it.

Thanks for the new link to the document about Saturn V. I always wonder why NASA changes the addresses of a 47 years old documents where many pages are upside down. It seems other documents have other masses of what was put into orbit. Different figures everywhere.

I am really confused of the disorder.

Re my web site, I am quite pleased with it myself.

I am pretty certain you are not an idiot and are capable of deducing this stuff. 

Thanks! You are right. But topic is my Challenge to get a spacecraft full of idiots (i.e. stupid humans) into space.

Evidently - plainly and clearly - nobody would send up a bunch of idiots into space in a tinbox like sardines. The Challenge is just to confirm it. If you do it, I congratulate you. Evidently you'll not get the MONEY.

I'll get the money, alright, but I need to know you have it.  Until then, I have finals to worry about. 

Quote from: Heiwa on April 25, 2016, 09:57:17 AM

Quote from: Woody on April 25, 2016, 09:14:16 AM

Quote from: Heiwa on April 24, 2016, 11:21:38 PM

Quote from: markjo on April 24, 2016, 08:25:10 PM

First of all, that document was moved here:
https://archive.org/details/nasa_techdoc_19900066485

Secondly, I didn't ask about the Saturn V total fuel load.  I asked about your claim that anyone has ever claimed to have put 341,000 kg into earth orbit.

Thirdly, I've been to your site and I am not at all impressed by it.

Thanks for the new link to the document about Saturn V. I always wonder why NASA changes the addresses of a 47 years old documents where many pages are upside down. It seems other documents have other masses of what was put into orbit. Different figures everywhere.

I am really confused of the disorder.

Re my web site, I am quite pleased with it myself.

I am pretty certain you are not an idiot and are capable of deducing this stuff. 

Thanks! You are right. But topic is my Challenge to get a spacecraft full of idiots (i.e. stupid humans) into space.

Evidently - plainly and clearly - nobody would send up a bunch of idiots into space in a tinbox like sardines. The Challenge is just to confirm it. If you do it, I congratulate you. Evidently you'll not get the MONEY.

I'll get the money, alright, but I need to know you have it.  Until then, I have finals to worry about.

Of course I have it. The Challenge is just to describe manned space trips to Moon and Mars and the fuel used. Do it. The trip itself, I mean.
Good news then is I will meet you halfways on the Moon/Mars and pay you the full amount.

Of course I have it.

Then why haven't you proven it?  What are you afraid of?

Quote from: Heiwa on April 25, 2016, 10:16:03 AM

Of course I have it.

Then why haven't you proven it?  What are you afraid of?

Afraid? Hm, but I have proven it. Years ago. But some clown didn't believe it. He couldn't read or his nappies were wet. So he posts regularly here I am poor.
No, topic here is not the money but the Challenge.  Win it and I will gladly pay you.

Quote from: frenat on April 25, 2016, 10:18:30 AM

Quote from: Heiwa on April 25, 2016, 10:16:03 AM

Of course I have it.

Then why haven't you proven it?  What are you afraid of?

Afraid? Hm, but I have proven it. Years ago. But some clown didn't believe it. He couldn't read or his nappies were wet. So he posts regularly here I am poor.
No, topic here is not the money but the Challenge.  Win it and I will gladly pay you.

 I'll ask questions about your challenge since you are not capable of showing where my calculations were wrong and claim it is off topic.

Can you provide evidence you have the funds doing something similar to this?


Now if I was to tell you I will give you $8,000 for doing something you can see that today I have it in a checking account.  It does not insure I will have it tomorrow or will pay it, but it does show I have the funds now and capable of earning enough to pay you.

The address you give is to a building that is owned and operated by a company that provides subsidized housing.  This seems to indicate your gross assets are valued at less than €1,000,000.  Can you offer evidence you do not receive a subsidy for your rent/mortgage or you own your home?

You state, "basic principles of astrophysics" are to be used to win your challenge. What basic principles?  Are they the ones I can find in books on the subject?  The stuff taught in schools?  The ones astronomers claim are correct?  The principles Arianespace uses to put satellites into orbit?

You have demonstrated you do not understand the subject matter of your challenge.  I showed you the delta-v and ISP for the Saturn V and then you asked questions that were answered by that information.  Like the amount of fuel needed and how much gets used during a burn.  You claimed my calculations did not take pressure or gravity into account when they did and I provided you a link with the methodology I used.  Which suggest you discounted my calculations and results without reviewing them.

You made a claim you were sentenced to death in the US for revealing nuclear secretes.  When did you receive this sentence?  When did you have access to classified information about US nuclear technology?  What US Government agency or contractor did you work for? I am asking since I believe this is a false claim and suggest you are not completely honest.

Taking the above into consideration how are you qualified to judge the challenge? How are you going to ensure a fair ruling?

The above are reasonable questions regarding your challenge.  Considering the amount of time someone would need to invest in doing it if they do not just copy and paste what NASA has already done.

Quote from: frenat on April 25, 2016, 10:18:30 AM

Quote from: Heiwa on April 25, 2016, 10:16:03 AM

Of course I have it.

Then why haven't you proven it?  What are you afraid of?

Afraid? Hm, but I have proven it. Years ago. But some clown didn't believe it. He couldn't read or his nappies were wet. So he posts regularly here I am poor.
No, topic here is not the money but the Challenge.  Win it and I will gladly pay you.

That is not an extraordinary challenge especially considering it has been accomplished already, despite your denials of ignorance and incredulity. You toss the challenge around as if the money was just spare change in our pocket. If we compare your challenge to that of James Randi, for example, we find it lacking on so many levels, no guarantee from third party escrow, lack or credentialed reviewer, willful denials, etc. Surely, you don't believe any of us are gullible enough to swallow your nonsense. Or, are you really that insane?

Quote from: frenat on April 25, 2016, 10:18:30 AM

Quote from: Heiwa on April 25, 2016, 10:16:03 AM

Of course I have it.

Then why haven't you proven it?  What are you afraid of?

Afraid? Hm, but I have proven it. Years ago. But some clown didn't believe it. He couldn't read or his nappies were wet. So he posts regularly here I am poor.
No, topic here is not the money but the Challenge.  Win it and I will gladly pay you.

That is a lie.  You have NEVER proven you have the money.  If you think you have then show where.

Quote from: Woody on April 25, 2016, 09:14:16 AM

Quote from: Heiwa on April 24, 2016, 11:21:38 PM

Quote from: markjo on April 24, 2016, 08:25:10 PM

First of all, that document was moved here:
https://archive.org/details/nasa_techdoc_19900066485

Secondly, I didn't ask about the Saturn V total fuel load.  I asked about your claim that anyone has ever claimed to have put 341,000 kg into earth orbit.

Thirdly, I've been to your site and I am not at all impressed by it.

Thanks for the new link to the document about Saturn V. I always wonder why NASA changes the addresses of a 47 years old documents where many pages are upside down. It seems other documents have other masses of what was put into orbit. Different figures everywhere.

I am really confused of the disorder.

Re my web site, I am quite pleased with it myself.

I am pretty certain you are not an idiot and are capable of deducing this stuff. 

Thanks! You are right. But topic is my Challenge to get a spacecraft full of idiots (i.e. stupid humans) into space.

Evidently - plainly and clearly - nobody would send up a bunch of idiots into space in a tinbox like sardines. The Challenge is just to confirm it. If you do it, I congratulate you. Evidently you'll not get the MONEY.

How about if a create another thread to discuss delta-v, TWR, ISP, orbital mechanics, Newton's laws and how they relate to the Apollo missions? 

Will you answer questions then or still avoid answering them? Will it be similar to when you said you would answer my questions if I pm'ed you?


It will be simple for me to do I just need to copy and paste what I asked here about the methods I used here to that new thread. 

Ha ha, well done people, beating this guy up while I have been busy. Some people really just need to be beat with a hose.

Woody nice example ha ha....woody is not a millionaire (well guess he could be, you holding out woody?!), yet he figured out how to show proof of funds.

If you really had it you be cruising in a lime green Lamborghini or watching someone play your new grand piano:)  Just drop the act, literally no one is buying it anymore...no one cares about your fake challenge..there is nothing left here for you.

MOVE ON!!! start new in a fresh forum where you can be high and mighty for a little bit until they figure it out as well.

That is not an extraordinary challenge especially considering it has been accomplished already, despite your denials of ignorance and incredulity.

No, the Challenge has not been accomplished by anyone. Why do you lie about it?

Noone is able to describe the fuel used for a manned space trip to Mars and how to get it off the ground, etc. Noone has not even described the spacecraft to be used and its mass. Shall it be a tinpot with no facilities or something more comofortable. What is its mass without fuel? And how to get it off the ground?

That's the Challenge.

Stupid peopel think that as I can launch a 300 kg satellite into orbit, they can launch a 100 000 kg manned spacecraft to Mars. But it is not the same thing. And they cannot even calculate the fuel for it.

NASA has announced they do not have the hardware for it. Their rockets are too weak. But the rockets will become strong 2037! LOL. NASA does not even have the software to calculate the fuel!! NASA is really a joke.

Why do you lie about it?

I think you are the last person to be speaking of what's truthful or not. If you told me the sky is blue I would surely check it at least twice.

How the hell have you not fallen to the Darwin effect Heiwa?? Mathematically you should not have made it far past puberty. You are walking proof evolution is a myth.

Quote from: DanneJeRusse on April 25, 2016, 11:09:00 AM

That is not an extraordinary challenge especially considering it has been accomplished already, despite your denials of ignorance and incredulity.

No, the Challenge has not been accomplished by anyone. Why do you lie about it?

Noone is able to describe the fuel used for a manned space trip to Mars and how to get it off the ground, etc. Noone has not even described the spacecraft to be used and its mass. Shall it be a tinpot with no facilities or something more comofortable. What is its mass without fuel? And how to get it off the ground?

That's the Challenge.

Stupid peopel think that as I can launch a 300 kg satellite into orbit, they can launch a 100 000 kg manned spacecraft to Mars. But it is not the same thing. And they cannot even calculate the fuel for it.

NASA has announced they do not have the hardware for it. Their rockets are too weak. But the rockets will become strong 2037! LOL. NASA does not even have the software to calculate the fuel!! NASA is really a joke.

Still just going to ignore this:

Saturn V

                                     Individual stage                         Total vessel       
STAGE                   Total mass        Dry mass      Total mass      Dry mass        Isp           Delta-v

1  LOX/RP-1            2,300,000        131,000       2,900,000       731,000        263s       3554.2 m/s
2  LOX/LH                   480,000          36,000          600,000       156,000        421s        5561.5 m/s
3  LOX/LH                   120,800          10,000          120,800         10,000        421s        8796.2 m/s
                                                                                                                                       --------------
                                                                                                                                       17911.9 m/s   
Masses are in kg
Does not include delta-v calculations for the lunar lander but assumes the gross weight of the Saturn V.

The above is using information found here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_V and on your site.


Making a round trip from the Earth to a lunar orbit takes about 17,500 m/s. It can be done with a little less. 






Explanation of methodology used: http://www.braeunig.us/space/index.htm

Since you could not do the calculation your self:
kg of propellant used per second= Thrust in Newtons/ISP in meters per second

Stage 1:
34,020,000/2580= 13,186 kg per second
164 second burn time.

TWR of the Saturn V on the pad:

5 F-1 engines with 6.672.000 N thrust each=33,360,000 N

2 896 895 kg gross rocket mass

(6,672,000N*5)/(2,896,895*9. 8 )=1.17  TWR

Means the rocket can lift off the pad.

Can you show me where the above is wrong?  Can you show the the proper way to do the calculations?  How about just show me the proper way to calculate TWR?

How about answering my questions about you challenge?  Surely that is on topic. Did you miss my post with the questions?

Here you can get what you claim NASA does not have access to:

http://opensource.gsfc.nasa.gov/projects/emtg/index.php

It is open source, but you do need 3rd party software to run it that cost $350.

Quote from: DanneJeRusse on April 25, 2016, 11:09:00 AM

That is not an extraordinary challenge especially considering it has been accomplished already, despite your denials of ignorance and incredulity.

No, the Challenge has not been accomplished by anyone. Why do you lie about it?

I have no reason to lie, they are running tests on the new RS-25 Engines that will drive the new SLS, it produces 17% more thrust than the Saturn V and will be used for missions to Mars transporting orbiters, transfer spacecrafts and in space habitats.

But, you already know that you are the liar, you know this, you keep up the charade knowing also that no one here is even remotely convinced.

Quote from: Heiwa on April 23, 2016, 08:06:05 PM

Are you seriously suggesting that Saturn V ever existed? It looked like an empty, lightweight mock-up to me. And it went out of production 1973!

You've got some serious nerve calling the existence of the Saturn V into question.  Thousands and thousands of people were involved in its development, and millions have seen it launch.

So what? Allegedly 400,000 minions were hired for the "Manhattan Project" yet no "nuclear bomb" has ever been produced. Those poor Japanese innocent souls have been firebombed to death. 

Quote from: Blue_Moon on April 23, 2016, 08:31:39 PM

Quote from: Heiwa on April 23, 2016, 08:06:05 PM

Are you seriously suggesting that Saturn V ever existed? It looked like an empty, lightweight mock-up to me. And it went out of production 1973!

You've got some serious nerve calling the existence of the Saturn V into question.  Thousands and thousands of people were involved in its development, and millions have seen it launch.

So what? Allegedly 400,000 minions were hired for the "Manhattan Project" yet no "nuclear bomb" has ever been produced. Those poor Japanese innocent souls have been firebombed to death. 

The Manhattan Project didn't build and publicly launch 13 rockets that were taller than the Statue of Liberty or Big Ben.

Quote from: Blue_Moon on April 23, 2016, 08:31:39 PM

Quote from: Heiwa on April 23, 2016, 08:06:05 PM

Are you seriously suggesting that Saturn V ever existed? It looked like an empty, lightweight mock-up to me. And it went out of production 1973!

You've got some serious nerve calling the existence of the Saturn V into question.  Thousands and thousands of people were involved in its development, and millions have seen it launch.

So what? Allegedly 400,000 minions were hired for the "Manhattan Project" yet no "nuclear bomb" has ever been produced. Those poor Japanese innocent souls have been firebombed to death. 

Great another idiot that thinks nuclear bombs are not real. Or the same idiot.... Go visit semipalatinsk in kazakhstan, or semey...visit it in person and tell me nuclear bombs are not real. I have no sympathy for people who are this willfully ignorant. Especially when it has done so much harm to innocent people. Though at the same time mutual destruction has saved millions of lives. I am sure we would be on world war 4 by now.

 Anyways, Visit that place, until then shut your ignorant mouth.

Quote from: Gaia_Redonda on April 25, 2016, 08:08:05 PM

Quote from: Blue_Moon on April 23, 2016, 08:31:39 PM

Quote from: Heiwa on April 23, 2016, 08:06:05 PM

Are you seriously suggesting that Saturn V ever existed? It looked like an empty, lightweight mock-up to me. And it went out of production 1973!

You've got some serious nerve calling the existence of the Saturn V into question.  Thousands and thousands of people were involved in its development, and millions have seen it launch.

So what? Allegedly 400,000 minions were hired for the "Manhattan Project" yet no "nuclear bomb" has ever been produced. Those poor Japanese innocent souls have been firebombed to death. 

Great another idiot that thinks nuclear bombs are not real. Or the same idiot.... Go visit semipalatinsk in kazakhstan, or semey...visit it in person and tell me nuclear bombs are not real. I have no sympathy for people who are this willfully ignorant. Especially when it has done so much harm to innocent people. Though at the same time mutual destruction destruction has saved millions of lives. I am sure we would be on world war 4 by now.

 Anyways, Visit that place, until then shut your ignorant mouth.

Great, another fool thinking his attacks are arguments. Kazakhstan I have not visited yet, but I've been to Chernobyl and Pripyat and back in those days I still was an ignorant believer in the Nuke Lies. Now I know better. I hope one day you will be able to see some truth too.

Quote from: Babyhighspeed on April 25, 2016, 08:52:22 PM

Quote from: Gaia_Redonda on April 25, 2016, 08:08:05 PM

Quote from: Blue_Moon on April 23, 2016, 08:31:39 PM

Quote from: Heiwa on April 23, 2016, 08:06:05 PM

Are you seriously suggesting that Saturn V ever eoked liextent empty, lightweight mock-up to me. And it went out of production 1973!

You've got some serious nerve calling the existence of the Saturn V into question.  Thousands and thousands of people were involved in its development, and millions have seen it launch.

So what? Allegedly 400,000 minions were hired for the "Manhattan Project" yet no "nuclear bomb" has ever been produced. Those poor Japanese innocent souls have been firebombed to death. 

Great another idiot that thinks nuclear bombs are not real. Or the same idiot.... Go visit semipalatinsk in kazakhstan, or semey...visit it in person and tell me nuclear bombs are not real. I have no sympathy for people who are this willfully ignorant. Especially when it has done so much harm to innocent people. Though at the same time mutual destruction destruction has saved millions of lives. I am sure we would be on world war 4 by now.

 Anyways, Visit that place, until then shut your ignorant mouth.

Great, another fool thinking his attacks are arguments. Kazakhstan I have not visited yet, but I've been to Chernobyl and Pripyat and back in those days I still was an ignorant believer in the Nuke Lies. Now I know better. I hope one day you will be able to see some truth too.

No...it wasn't an argument it was surely an attack. I am all for freedom of thought and critical thinking but some things are just rediculous. There are always people who abuse every rule.

It hits a hot button for me, not because people with my degree usually go into nuclear engineering of some sort (I didn't), or because I did two thesis on the subject. It's because of the people in semey, their torture is the direct result of this. I didn't even see the worst part as it has gotten better there to an extent as time passes.

Quote from: Gaia_Redonda on April 25, 2016, 08:08:05 PM

Quote from: Blue_Moon on April 23, 2016, 08:31:39 PM

Quote from: Heiwa on April 23, 2016, 08:06:05 PM

Are you seriously suggesting that Saturn V ever existed? It looked like an empty, lightweight mock-up to me. And it went out of production 1973!

You've got some serious nerve calling the existence of the Saturn V into question.  Thousands and thousands of people were involved in its development, and millions have seen it launch.

So what? Allegedly 400,000 minions were hired for the "Manhattan Project" yet no "nuclear bomb" has ever been produced. Those poor Japanese innocent souls have been firebombed to death. 

Great another idiot that thinks nuclear bombs are not real. Or the same idiot.... Go visit semipalatinsk in kazakhstan, or semey...visit it in person and tell me nuclear bombs are not real. I have no sympathy for people who are this willfully ignorant. Especially when it has done so much harm to innocent people. Though at the same time mutual destruction has saved millions of lives. I am sure we would be on world war 4 by now.

 Anyways, Visit that place, until then shut your ignorant mouth.

OT - I outline the reasons why I do not believe in a-bombs at http://heiwaco.com/bomb.htm, i.e. a friend of the family (!) was asked to build a Swedish a-bomb 1945 and agreed (!) subject to all info being peer reviewed and public. Manne didn't get the job. When I worked in Japan 1972-1976 two of my colleagues were shipbuilders born at Nagasaki and Hiroshima in the 1930's and they had their doubts, which I explain at my web site. Finally the father WM of my friend E helped Stalin to build a fake a-bomb 1949 working for Wismut AG, Aue, Saxony, DDR, 1948-1958 allegedly producing the uranium for Stalin's bomb built at Semipalatinsk by Gulag prisoners/slaves.
But Wismut AG was/is just a hoax or front mining granite of no value. Communist propaganda. WM was finally arrested and tortured (being asocial) and survived with plenty luck. Poor little E was abandoned in DDR! But she escaped too and could tell me the story.
But topic here is my Challenge about a human space trip to Mars. If anybody could just tell me what humans shall do there! It is nothing there! No atmosphere, no life of any kind. Only a-bomb loving idiots dream of going to Mars. And it is not possible anyway.

But topic here is my Challenge about a human space trip to Mars. If anybody could just tell me what humans shall do there! It is nothing there! No atmosphere, no life of any kind. Only a-bomb loving idiots dream of going to Mars. And it is not possible anyway.

So since your last several post only mention Mars can we assume you are no longer claiming going to the Moon is impossible?

Just curious if you think I can not do the same calculations for Mars? 

Maybe using the Atlas-Centaur that launched the Mariner 9 which was the first satellite to orbit Mars.

Not manned of course, but it will not let you truthfully say no one has been able to calculate the propellant needed to go to Mars.

I am not sure why you can not do it yourself. I linked sources with the equations and reasoning for them.

So since your last several post only mention Mars can we assume you are no longer claiming going to the Moon is impossible?

Everything above the Kαrman line is impossible.

the Atlas-Centaur that launched the Mariner 9 which was the first satellite to orbit Mars.

on CGI, yes, of course.

...reasoning...

Back to the drawing board, I am afraid...

Quote from: Woody on April 26, 2016, 02:14:10 AM

So since your last several post only mention Mars can we assume you are no longer claiming going to the Moon is impossible?

Everything above the Kαrman line is impossible.

Why?

A friend of a friend's acquaintance's friend's mom's stepdad' uncle told me there is questions about the atomic bomb so this is ultimate proof to me. Though a nuclear reactor is real

If it was not for these weapons we would at least be on ww3 by now. The math is not complicated to build one of these, at least not a simple a bomb (getting the enriched material is a different story). I know intelligence, math, coherent thinking and general sanity is not your strong suit. Just try to keep up for once.

If the principles work for a nuclear reactor, they will work for an atomic bomb. Instead of a controlled reaction with 15 percent enriched material......actually I am not even going to bother with principal or math here.

Look at the "fake"  footage of the tsar bomb. Or the fact that half of those scientist died between 3 months to 2 years after that. Or the fact there was acid raid there for years after, no one expected that bomb to be that big. It was really the beginning of the end for atomic and mixed fuel nuclear fusion fission testing. It startled every super power, even it's own maker.

Or bikini atoll we literally melted that f#%king island to an extent. You tell all the islanders it's fake, when they were moved off, moved back, moved off again when people stated getting sick and dying. Had a fund to pay them, fund ran out of money and they are still sick.

Or better yet, please going to semey and tell them their misery is not caused by the 400 nuclear test there. Listen to one of their storys...just one, especially one of the older people (if you can find people who live long enough to be considered old).

Dispute your ignorance, low moral code, inability to tell the truth, lack of a fully functioning brain.....now you just show you have no shame.

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the Atlas-Centaur that launched the Mariner 9 which was the first satellite to orbit Mars.

on CGI, yes, of course.

Yes, because CGI in 1971 was so convincing.

Quote from: Woody on April 26, 2016, 02:14:10 AM

So since your last several post only mention Mars can we assume you are no longer claiming going to the Moon is impossible?

Everything above the Kαrman line is impossible.

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the Atlas-Centaur that launched the Mariner 9 which was the first satellite to orbit Mars.

on CGI, yes, of course.

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...reasoning...

Back to the drawing board, I am afraid...

What defines the Karman Line?  My understanding it is where generating lift requires going faster than orbital velocity.
So how exactly does that mark the boundary for all manned made craft?  Conventional understanding is centrifugal  force can allow something to pass and remain above the Karman.








What are those lights in the sky? 

They have never been recorded throughout history until after technology advanced enough to put satellites in orbit.   
Every civilization has studied the stars and night sky to some extent.

Those lights' appearances correspond with launches and where people need to point their satellite dishes to get a signal.

You must have a good answer and can provide evidence you are right.  Unless your argument is based entirely on incredulity.  Please show where Newton, Kepler and Einstein were wrong in a similar way they presented their work to the world.

Quote from: Gaia_Redonda on April 26, 2016, 02:56:10 AM

Quote from: Woody on April 26, 2016, 02:14:10 AM

So since your last several post only mention Mars can we assume you are no longer claiming going to the Moon is impossible?

Everything above the Kαrman line is impossible.

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the Atlas-Centaur that launched the Mariner 9 which was the first satellite to orbit Mars.

on CGI, yes, of course.

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...reasoning...

Back to the drawing board, I am afraid...

What defines the Karman Line?  My understanding it is where generating lift requires going faster than orbital velocity.
So how exactly does that mark the boundary for all manned made craft?  Conventional understanding is centrifugal  force can allow something to pass and remain above the Karman.








What are those lights in the sky? 

They have never been recorded throughout history until after technology advanced enough to put satellites in orbit.   
Every civilization has studied the stars and night sky to some extent.

Those lights' appearances correspond with launches and where people need to point their satellite dishes to get a signal.

You must have a good answer and can provide evidence you are right.  Unless your argument is based entirely on incredulity.  Please show where Newton, Kepler and Einstein were wrong in a similar way they presented their work to the world.

Evidence!

+1

If it was not for these weapons we would at least be on ww3 by now. The math is not complicated to build one of these, at least not a simple a bomb (getting the enriched material is a different story). I know intelligence, math, coherent thinking and general sanity is not your strong suit. Just try to keep up for once.

I am always impressed by these weapons:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intercontinental_ballistic_missile
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGM-30_Minuteman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W62

A typical US built ICBM has start mass 78 000 kg to bring a 114 kg (253 lb) a W62 American thermonuclear warhead to the target and wipe out Moscow.

A typical ICBM is thus most fuel (say 77 000 kg) to bring the warhead to an altitude of 1 112 000 m from where it then drops to hit ground at 7 000 m/s speed after a successful re-entry.

Imagine putting such 78 tons ICBMs on a submarine!

Quote from: Babyhighspeed on April 26, 2016, 06:16:47 AM

If it was not for these weapons we would at least be on ww3 by now. The math is not complicated to build one of these, at least not a simple a bomb (getting the enriched material is a different story). I know intelligence, math, coherent thinking and general sanity is not your strong suit. Just try to keep up for once.

I am always impressed by these weapons:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intercontinental_ballistic_missile
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGM-30_Minuteman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W62

A typical US built ICBM has start mass 78 000 kg to bring a 114 kg (253 lb) a W62 American thermonuclear warhead to the target and wipe out Moscow.

A typical ICBM is thus most fuel (say 77 000 kg) to bring the warhead to an altitude of 1 112 000 m from where it then drops to hit ground at 7 000 m/s speed after a successful re-entry.

Imagine putting such 78 tons ICBMs on a submarine!

A 78 ton ICBM is less weight then a full train car.

Quote from: Babyhighspeed on April 26, 2016, 06:16:47 AM

If it was not for these weapons we would at least be on ww3 by now. The math is not complicated to build one of these, at least not a simple a bomb (getting the enriched material is a different story). I know intelligence, math, coherent thinking and general sanity is not your strong suit. Just try to keep up for once.

I am always impressed by these weapons:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intercontinental_ballistic_missile
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGM-30_Minuteman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W62

A typical US built ICBM has start mass 78 000 kg to bring a 114 kg (253 lb) a W62 American thermonuclear warhead to the target and wipe out Moscow.

A typical ICBM is thus most fuel (say 77 000 kg) to bring the warhead to an altitude of 1 112 000 m from where it then drops to hit ground at 7 000 m/s speed after a successful re-entry.

Imagine putting such 78 tons ICBMs on a submarine!

Minuteman missiles aren't put on [American] submarines; Tridents are.

A full load of them (24) is less than 10% of the weight of the class of the sub carrying them, the Ohio.

Imagine putting such 78 tons ICBMs on a submarine!

Actually, the Trident II is the current SLBM used by the US and UK and is about 59 tonnes.