I won Heiwa's €1,000,000 challenge

Quote from: Heiwa on April 24, 2016, 09:30:30 AM

Flap flap flap flap..  Lie lie lie..I wish someone cared

You obviously will not accept my challenge, so that 100 percent guarantees you are full of crap.. I wish I could see your eye color, I imagine they are brown from the crap. So now.....just leave...be gone liar. Away with you like spoiled milk.

F.Y.I. your ignorant unreadable website full of lies and USELESS dribble is not popular. A 100 people a day is not popular. Especially when you count the views are from people of forums like these scouting your lies and bull sh#t. Hell you post your "website" (I use the term losely), every post. The other 35 views are from you going to admire and worship yourself daily.

Now leave

I guarantee a majority of the visits to his site are search engines.  Especially as he repeatedly posts the link here and elsewhere which just gives more links for the search engine bots to follow.

Ah, that makes sense. I knew he posted his link a million times for a reason. I am surely not super experienced in the way search engines operate. Though makes tons of sense and explains him posting that tired old link

Quote from: markjo on April 24, 2016, 09:21:38 AM

Would you care to cite a credible source claiming 341,000 kg?  And no, I don't consider you or your "popular web site" to be a credible source.

Wikipedia! LOL!

Do you have a link to that specific article?  The Wikipedia articles that I've seen generally refer to the smaller number.  For example:

Payload to LEO 310,000 lb (140,000 kg)[note 1]
Payload to TLI    107,100 lb (48,600 kg)

1 Includes mass of Apollo Command/Service Modules, Apollo Lunar Module, Spacecraft/LM Adapter, Saturn V Instrument Unit, S-IVB stage, and propellant for translunar injection

BTW - do you really believe in the NASA science fiction fantasies with humans in space?

No, I don't believe science fiction fantasies, even though good science fiction is often based on good science.  However, I do believe in the reality of humans in space.

Quote from: markjo on April 24, 2016, 09:21:38 AM

You have been shown repeatedly why you're wrong.  How many more time do you need to be told before you finally get it?

There is nothing wrong with my Challenge (topic) and nobody has won it. I am quite certain about it. Why do you get so upset? My Challenge is fun. It allows people like you to use their brains, e.g. to calculate how much fuel is required for a transient force application for trans-lunar injection or what the lunatics call to transfer a spacecraft in orbit to another trajectory that will end, hopefully, at the Moon, i.e. no transgression.

The problem is not with the challenge.  The problem is that the self-appointed judge is neither impartial nor has the relevant knowledge to know when someone has actually won the challenge.

Quote from: markjo on April 24, 2016, 09:21:38 AM

You have been shown repeatedly why you're wrong.  How many more time do you need to be told before you finally get it?

There is nothing wrong with my Challenge (topic) and nobody has won it. I am quite certain about it. Why do you get so upset? My Challenge is fun. It allows people like you to use their brains, e.g. to calculate how much fuel is required for a transient force application for trans-lunar injection or what the lunatics call to transfer a spacecraft in orbit to another trajectory that will end, hopefully, at the Moon, i.e. no transgression.

No, you are not certain as you haven't the capacity, education or understanding to review any calculations provided to you. You probably don't even look at them because your entire challenge is just a way for you to get your jollies. For some reason, you seem to think the rest of us here are all small children who will gobble up anything you say and be fooled by your childish deceptions. Of course, your challenge is little more than a cry for attention. Sad and pathetic.

Quote from: Heiwa on April 24, 2016, 10:05:54 AM

Quote from: markjo on April 24, 2016, 09:21:38 AM

You have been shown repeatedly why you're wrong.  How many more time do you need to be told before you finally get it?

There is nothing wrong with my Challenge (topic) and nobody has won it. I am quite certain about it. Why do you get so upset? My Challenge is fun. It allows people like you to use their brains, e.g. to calculate how much fuel is required for a transient force application for trans-lunar injection or what the lunatics call to transfer a spacecraft in orbit to another trajectory that will end, hopefully, at the Moon, i.e. no transgression.

No, you are not certain as you haven't the capacity, education or understanding to review any calculations provided to you. You probably don't even look at them because your entire challenge is just a way for you to get your jollies. For some reason, you seem to think the rest of us here are all small children who will gobble up anything you say and be fooled by your childish deceptions. Of course, your challenge is little more than a cry for attention. Sad and pathetic.

As always well said... Maybe he went to go get his proof of at least one thing he has said is true.

The number of people whom are just telling him off or telling him to go away is growing and that's great. Eventually there will be no food for him here and he will move on. Also looks like I won't be giving away any prizes lol. Sad thing is, I actually took the time to plan on items that were big enough to provide motivation, but manageable enough to lose..long story short , actually took it serious like there was a chance he was telling the truth. Should have made the challenge for a trillion dollars in monopoly money, which is probably what you would get if his challenge was winnable.

Don't feed the trolls!!


Oh heiwa forgot to say....GO AWAY

Quote from: Woody on April 24, 2016, 02:15:19 AM

If you think I am going to spend hundreds of hours planning and designing missions to the Moon and Mars, it is not going to happen.  Simply because the information how space travel is done is readily available, it has been done and is available online, the formulas conform with the current understanding of physics that have been consistently proven, and I do not think your challenge is legitimate.

If you prove you have the funds and appoint an unbiased judge then I will reconsider.

The Challenge is just to provide the information in the rules at http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm .

I know of course that information how space travel is done is readily available and available online and that some formulas conform with the current understanding of physics have been proven, etc, etc. The Challenge is not to tell me that. I know how Arianespace sends up satellites. That is easy.

The Challenge is to use that information and, e.g. calculate the fuel used to leave Earth for Moon and Mars with humans aboard. I assume you need a bigger spacecraft going to Mars, which require more fuel. According my calculations you do not get off the ground and if you get off the ground you really need a big amount of fuel to leave Earth orbit, say 250 000 kg, for a minimal space craft with no facilities.

Some people believe that I, an educated, successful engineer living comfortably in a big appartement do not believe in space travel. That is incorrect. What I do not believe in is human space travel, i.e. sending humans up into space. It is a 100% kamikaze trip as you cannot return, re-enter and land.

As nobody has won my Challenge since many years, it seems I am right.

OK, NASA faked it 1969 but it was at the request of corrupt politicians and military fools. It seems they are still running the show.

The Saturn V carried people to space.

I demonstrated using information you use to claim it was a hoax:

TWR
Amount of propellant needed to get to lunar orbit and back.
The velocity change the Saturn V was capable of.
The amount of propellant burned per second and the resulting velocity change.
Thrust(indirectly, being an engineer you should be able to have noticed that rather easily, it is also found easily with a internet search, it is even answered on your site)

The above took gravity, mass and air pressure into account.

Using your model:

Navigating and orientating spacecraft is possible since satellites can be maneuvered and placed in the orbits they need to be in.

The calculations I used are correct since I used the same ones used to get satellites into orbit.

So I showed you using information you provide and use and your site that the Saturn V was capable of doing what we were told it did.

Why not just show us your calculations for the Saturn V's TWR, velocity change it was capable of that you have done?

The only calculation I have seen from you regarding stuff like this ignored the energy added to the system by the rocket exhaust. The other was jut adding the total mass of the fuel and then basically said it was a lot and therefore evidence that the Saturn V was fake.

Going to claim this is off topic?  You are the one who continues to bring the above topics up.  Like saying the Saturn V could not get off the pad and no one can or has been able to tell you the amount of propellant needed.

Heiwa are you just going to ignore babyhighspeed?

Seems he demonstrated how easy it should be to prove you have the funds and do not live in subsidized housing. 

Why can you not meet the requirements of his challenge.  Seems his challenge is legitimate.  He at the very least was able to prove he actually has the prize if you win his challenge.

Seems odd you continuing to avoid proving you have the funds. It is a perfectly reasonable request.  Now if you do it you have a chance at getting a rather valuable prize.

Is asking for proof you have the money off topic and not about your challenge?

Heiwa are you just going to ignore babyhighspeed?

Seems he demonstrated how easy it should be to prove you have the funds and do not live in subsidized housing. 

Why can you not meet the requirements of his challenge.  Seems his challenge is legitimate.  He at the very least was able to prove he actually has the prize if you win his challenge.

Seems odd you continuing to avoid proving you have the funds. It is a perfectly reasonable request.  Now if you do it you have a chance at getting a rather valuable prize.

Is asking for proof you have the money off topic and not about your challenge?

Careful woody.. you are going to be added to the ignore list with me...Also you trying to prove a point using mathematics with him would better understood by a feral cat, so don't bang your head on a wall.

Quote from: Heiwa on April 24, 2016, 09:30:30 AM

Quote from: markjo on April 24, 2016, 09:21:38 AM

Would you care to cite a credible source claiming 341,000 kg?  And no, I don't consider you or your "popular web site" to be a credible source.

Wikipedia! LOL!

Do you have a link to that specific article?  The Wikipedia articles that I've seen generally refer to the smaller number.  For example:

Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_V

Payload to LEO 310,000 lb (140,000 kg)[note 1]
Payload to TLI    107,100 lb (48,600 kg)

1 Includes mass of Apollo Command/Service Modules, Apollo Lunar Module, Spacecraft/LM Adapter, Saturn V Instrument Unit, S-IVB stage, and propellant for translunar injection

The SATURN V LAUNCH VEHICLE FLIGHT EVALUATION REPORT-AS-.506 APOLLO 11 MISSION

(http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19900066485_1990066485.pdf)

says that a Saturn V rocket had 3 346 tons of fuel! But now NASA has moved it.

You really should visit http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm with links to all sorts of sources about Apollo 11.

Heiwa are you just going to ignore babyhighspeed?

Yes, OT posts are best ignored. Baby also has a drug/spelling problem, etc, etc. Has only been a FEF member 11 days and managed to produce 50+ stupid posts.

Asking you to prove your claims is not OT.  You just wish it was because you can't prove them.

Asking you to prove your claims is not OT.  You just wish it was because you can't prove them.

The money? It is still there! It will be paid to anyone that can calculate the amount of fuel of a manned space trip with all the complex manoeuvres involved. It is the Challenge!

I know exactly how much fuel is required for a simple, one way, un-manned satellite launch ending at high speed in orbit. That is no problem. Arianespace does it all the time.

The problem is when you start to change direction, brake, land, accelerate, etc, etc. It is in fact impossible. If you ask NASA how they do it, they do not reply or tell you that the brake pedal is left and the accelerate pedal is right or that flying a spacecraft in vacuum is like flying a plane in air or that you are stupid.

Quote from: frenat on April 24, 2016, 05:25:04 PM

Asking you to prove your claims is not OT.  You just wish it was because you can't prove them.

The money? It is still there! It will be paid to anyone that can calculate the amount of fuel of a manned space trip with all the complex manoeuvres involved. It is the Challenge!

THEN PROVE IT.
Nobody believes you have the money.  What part of that don't you get?

The problem is when you start to change direction, brake, land, accelerate, etc, etc. It is in fact impossible. If you ask NASA how they do it, they do not reply or tell you that the brake pedal is left and the accelerate pedal is right or that flying a spacecraft in vacuum is like flying a plane in air or that you are stupid.

Nobody believes you asked NASA anything either.  It would be nice if you would prove that as well.  But we all know you won't. 

Quote from: Heiwa on April 24, 2016, 05:57:56 PM

Quote from: frenat on April 24, 2016, 05:25:04 PM

Asking you to prove your claims is not OT.  You just wish it was because you can't prove them.

The money? It is still there! It will be paid to anyone that can calculate the amount of fuel of a manned space trip with all the complex manoeuvres involved. It is the Challenge!

THEN PROVE IT.
Nobody believes you have the money.  What part of that don't you get?

Quote from: Heiwa on April 24, 2016, 05:57:56 PM

The problem is when you start to change direction, brake, land, accelerate, etc, etc. It is in fact impossible. If you ask NASA how they do it, they do not reply or tell you that the brake pedal is left and the accelerate pedal is right or that flying a spacecraft in vacuum is like flying a plane in air or that you are stupid.

Nobody believes you asked NASA anything either.  It would be nice if you would prove that as well.  But we all know you won't.

I will evidently PROVE that the money is there by paying it, if you can show how a manned space trip is done changing speeds, directions, landing, consuming fuel, re-entering, etc, having a go at my funny Challenge. All other participants do not worry about the money. They try to win my Challenge and ... give up when they realize that manned space travel in the past was a silly hoax. They really learnt something.

But you? Just moaning and groaning about the money all the time. It is there. Invested in, e.g. a satellite launch company. I have told you that several times. You should really study http://heiwaco.com to learn something.

Quote from: frenat on April 24, 2016, 06:06:07 PM

Quote from: Heiwa on April 24, 2016, 05:57:56 PM

Quote from: frenat on April 24, 2016, 05:25:04 PM

Asking you to prove your claims is not OT.  You just wish it was because you can't prove them.

The money? It is still there! It will be paid to anyone that can calculate the amount of fuel of a manned space trip with all the complex manoeuvres involved. It is the Challenge!

THEN PROVE IT.
Nobody believes you have the money.  What part of that don't you get?

Quote from: Heiwa on April 24, 2016, 05:57:56 PM

The problem is when you start to change direction, brake, land, accelerate, etc, etc. It is in fact impossible. If you ask NASA how they do it, they do not reply or tell you that the brake pedal is left and the accelerate pedal is right or that flying a spacecraft in vacuum is like flying a plane in air or that you are stupid.

Nobody believes you asked NASA anything either.  It would be nice if you would prove that as well.  But we all know you won't.

I will evidently PROVE that the money is there by paying it, if you can show how a manned space trip is done changing speeds, directions, landing, consuming fuel, re-entering, etc, having a go at my funny Challenge. All other participants do not worry about the money. They try to win my Challenge and ... give up when they realize that manned space travel in the past was a silly hoax. They really learnt something.

But you? Just moaning and groaning about the money all the time. It is there. Invested in, e.g. a satellite launch company. I have told you that several times. You should really study http://heiwaco.com to learn something.

Translation: I don't have the money but since the challenge isn't real I won't ever have to prove I have it.

All other participants do not worry about the money.

This is a lie.  MANY other people have asked you about the money.  You have been asked for years by multiple participants and non-participants alike. 

give up when they realize that manned space travel in the past was a silly hoax.

This is also a lie.  They give up when they realize you have no intention of proving you have the money, you are not qualified to judge your own challenge, and you are just doing to this for attention.  They give up when they realize YOU are a liar, nothing more.

It is there. Invested in, e.g. a satellite launch company. I have told you that several times.

This is not proof.  It is nothing but an avoidance.  Or, as most people have realized, a way for you to continue lying and never prove you even have the money.

You're such a transparent liar Heiwa.

Quote from: frenat on April 24, 2016, 06:06:07 PM

Quote from: Heiwa on April 24, 2016, 05:57:56 PM

Quote from: frenat on April 24, 2016, 05:25:04 PM

Asking you to prove your claims is not OT.  You just wish it was because you can't prove them.

The money? It is still there! It will be paid to anyone that can calculate the amount of fuel of a manned space trip with all the complex manoeuvres involved. It is the Challenge!

THEN PROVE IT.
Nobody believes you have the money.  What part of that don't you get?

Quote from: Heiwa on April 24, 2016, 05:57:56 PM

The problem is when you start to change direction, brake, land, accelerate, etc, etc. It is in fact impossible. If you ask NASA how they do it, they do not reply or tell you that the brake pedal is left and the accelerate pedal is right or that flying a spacecraft in vacuum is like flying a plane in air or that you are stupid.

Nobody believes you asked NASA anything either.  It would be nice if you would prove that as well.  But we all know you won't.

I will evidently PROVE that the money is there by paying it, if you can show how a manned space trip is done changing speeds, directions, landing, consuming fuel, re-entering, etc, having a go at my funny Challenge. All other participants do not worry about the money. They try to win my Challenge and ... give up when they realize that manned space travel in the past was a silly hoax. They really learnt something.

But you? Just moaning and groaning about the money all the time. It is there. Invested in, e.g. a satellite launch company. I have told you that several times. You should really study http://heiwaco.com to learn something.

If you really have the money, go to the bank and acquire a Proof of Funds.  This isn't hard, and it's certainly not worth the fuss you're putting up. 

Or certificates for the stocks (if they still exist).

Quote from: frenat on April 24, 2016, 05:25:04 PM

Asking you to prove your claims is not OT.  You just wish it was because you can't prove them.

The money? It is still there! It will be paid to anyone that can calculate the amount of fuel of a manned space trip with all the complex manoeuvres involved. It is the Challenge!

I know exactly how much fuel is required for a simple, one way, un-manned satellite launch ending at high speed in orbit. That is no problem. Arianespace does it all the time.

The problem is when you start to change direction, brake, land, accelerate, etc, etc. It is in fact impossible. If you ask NASA how they do it, they do not reply or tell you that the brake pedal is left and the accelerate pedal is right or that flying a spacecraft in vacuum is like flying a plane in air or that you are stupid.

So, did NASA not reply or did they tell you that you're stupid?

Quote from: Heiwa on April 24, 2016, 05:57:56 PM

Quote from: frenat on April 24, 2016, 05:25:04 PM

Asking you to prove your claims is not OT.  You just wish it was because you can't prove them.

The money? It is still there! It will be paid to anyone that can calculate the amount of fuel of a manned space trip with all the complex manoeuvres involved. It is the Challenge!

I know exactly how much fuel is required for a simple, one way, un-manned satellite launch ending at high speed in orbit. That is no problem. Arianespace does it all the time.

The problem is when you start to change direction, brake, land, accelerate, etc, etc. It is in fact impossible. If you ask NASA how they do it, they do not reply or tell you that the brake pedal is left and the accelerate pedal is right or that flying a spacecraft in vacuum is like flying a plane in air or that you are stupid.

So, did NASA not reply or did they tell you that you're stupid?

Based on all his other lies I doubt he ever asked them.  He's certainly never shown any evidence he has.

Quote from: markjo on April 24, 2016, 10:34:36 AM

Quote from: Heiwa on April 24, 2016, 09:30:30 AM

Quote from: markjo on April 24, 2016, 09:21:38 AM

Would you care to cite a credible source claiming 341,000 kg?  And no, I don't consider you or your "popular web site" to be a credible source.

Wikipedia! LOL!

Do you have a link to that specific article?  The Wikipedia articles that I've seen generally refer to the smaller number.  For example:

Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_V

Payload to LEO 310,000 lb (140,000 kg)[note 1]
Payload to TLI    107,100 lb (48,600 kg)

1 Includes mass of Apollo Command/Service Modules, Apollo Lunar Module, Spacecraft/LM Adapter, Saturn V Instrument Unit, S-IVB stage, and propellant for translunar injection

The SATURN V LAUNCH VEHICLE FLIGHT EVALUATION REPORT-AS-.506 APOLLO 11 MISSION

(http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19900066485_1990066485.pdf)

says that a Saturn V rocket had 3 346 tons of fuel! But now NASA has moved it.

You really should visit http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm with links to all sorts of sources about Apollo 11.

First of all, that document was moved here:
https://archive.org/details/nasa_techdoc_19900066485

Secondly, I didn't ask about the Saturn V total fuel load.  I asked about your claim that anyone has ever claimed to have put 341,000 kg into earth orbit.

Thirdly, I've been to your site and I am not at all impressed by it.

Blah blah blah....lie lie lie..

Notice how everyone has caught on to you and is out of patience? That  means your time here has expired, so move on. I don't care how rich someone is, they would never turn down free money. If someone offered me a Steinway or a Lamborghini for 30 mins to an hour worth of work IF THAT...I wouldn't even hesitate. I would at least have it given to a charity. Guess that is just me, maybe I don't understand since I am not worth millions and millions and millions and  millions and...... 

I didn't just want you to prove financials I wanted you to prove all those stupid ass lies you tell....I don't even believe you "business" is real. But maybe it's all a ruse so the U.S. doesn't find you and kill you. even though anyone could find you at any time

Hell I might even send you something if you just prove one or two lies are true. Might just send you a gift certificate to Chipotle or something.

It is sad I would welcome 10 Papa legbas than even a half of you, least he makes me chuckle sometimes with his nonsense.

Anyways as I have said, your time has expired here so leave. Everyone is seeing through your lies so go feed elsewhere!  There is no respect, admiration, or anything for you here. So move on and spread your cancer else where.

First of all, that document was moved here:
https://archive.org/details/nasa_techdoc_19900066485

Secondly, I didn't ask about the Saturn V total fuel load.  I asked about your claim that anyone has ever claimed to have put 341,000 kg into earth orbit.

Thirdly, I've been to your site and I am not at all impressed by it.

Thanks for the new link to the document about Saturn V. I always wonder why NASA changes the addresses of a 47 years old documents where many pages are upside down. It seems other documents have other masses of what was put into orbit. Different figures everywhere.

I am really confused of the disorder.

Re my web site, I am quite pleased with it myself.

I will evidently PROVE that the money is there by paying i

Still don't know how to use the word 'evidently' do you?

So Heiwa are you going to show your calculations for the Saturn V's TWR and Delta-V?

I showed you how I came up with my numbers, refuted your claim that they were wrong because they did not take gravity or changing air pressure into account.

Unless you can demonstrate how the methodology I used is wrong you can not honestly claim no one has done it for you.

I am thinking you may just have been given the answers to your questions many times from various sources.   The problem is you just do not understand the answers.

It is demonstrated when you asked me about the fuel used and thrust replying to a post I made that answered those questions. 

Once again you show you are not qualified to judge your own challenge since you do not understand the subject. 

How about show me your equations for TWR, delta-v and ISP?  I am not asking you to do anything but post the equations you use and I will do the rest.

So Heiwa are you going to show your calculations for the Saturn V's TWR and Delta-V?

Topic is my Challenge and how to get a manned spacecraft off the ground for trips to Moon and Mars.

Re Saturn V I describe that hoax at http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm . That rocket could never have lifted a manned spacecraft 1969. 

Quote from: markjo on April 24, 2016, 08:25:10 PM

First of all, that document was moved here:
https://archive.org/details/nasa_techdoc_19900066485

Secondly, I didn't ask about the Saturn V total fuel load.  I asked about your claim that anyone has ever claimed to have put 341,000 kg into earth orbit.

Thirdly, I've been to your site and I am not at all impressed by it.

Thanks for the new link to the document about Saturn V. I always wonder why NASA changes the addresses of a 47 years old documents where many pages are upside down. It seems other documents have other masses of what was put into orbit. Different figures everywhere.

I am really confused of the disorder.

Re my web site, I am quite pleased with it myself.

You do understand the difference between gross weight a vehicle is capable of and the actual gross weight it would have on the pad for a certain mission?

This can not be a foreign concept to you.  Ships must have something similar to a gross vehicle mass.  I am willing to bet that the same ship throughout it's lifespan has left ports with different gross mass dependent on the type and amount of cargo.  I am also willing to bet that ship has left ports carrying different amounts of fuel.

As for moving information to host it somewhere else, it is rather common when an organization decides to update their website/presence.

I am pretty certain you are not an idiot and are capable of deducing this stuff.  Which leaves willful ignorance and bias on your part.

Quote from: Woody on April 25, 2016, 07:14:45 AM

So Heiwa are you going to show your calculations for the Saturn V's TWR and Delta-V?

Topic is my Challenge and how to get a manned spacecraft off the ground for trips to Moon and Mars.

Re Saturn V I describe that hoax at http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm . That rocket could never have lifted a manned spacecraft 1969.

You are smart we are dumb. You are rich we are poor, there is no way if we all join together and form the FES megazord that we could even equal a percentage of your intelligence on your WORSE day. There happy?? You win and have increased your genital size at the same time. WILL YOU LEAVE NOW!!

I don't think I can stand to read your ignorance, your lies, your stupid challenge, or see that stupid flashlight any more. It has lost all humor..you are like a gnat around my head that I have been trying to smash for a week. Kudos , though, you are a powerful gnat.

Isn't there another flat earth forum?? I bet they would love your challenge

Quote from: Woody on April 25, 2016, 07:14:45 AM

So Heiwa are you going to show your calculations for the Saturn V's TWR and Delta-V?

Topic is my Challenge and how to get a manned spacecraft off the ground for trips to Moon and Mars.

Re Saturn V I describe that hoax at http://heiwaco.com/moontravel1.htm . That rocket could never have lifted a manned spacecraft 1969.

Show me your calculations of the TWR on the pad then. If you do not want to at least show the the formula you used to determine it could not lift off. You say go to your site and the only thing I see remotely about TWR on the pad is you adding the fuel mass and saying it was a lot.

Are you going to ignore I showed you the amount of propellant needed, amount used per second, and the resulting velocity change?

I showed you my methodology in coming up with the answers I did. 

I showed you that I did take gravity and pressure into account when you stated I did not. 

Can you show me your calculations, because I do not see them on your site.  The only one I did see failed to account for the energy added to the system by the rocket exhaust. If you are standing by that you must have a good reason why the exhaust exiting the nozzle at a very high speed would not effect the spacecraft.  Do you have evidence you can produce that says Newton's laws are wrong?

You claim you want people to learn the truth yet seem really unwilling to answer certain questions?  Why is that?

If you answered my questions on your site could you copy and paste your answers here?  Finding information on your site is not user friendly. 

Quote from: Heiwa on April 24, 2016, 11:21:38 PM

Quote from: markjo on April 24, 2016, 08:25:10 PM

First of all, that document was moved here:
https://archive.org/details/nasa_techdoc_19900066485

Secondly, I didn't ask about the Saturn V total fuel load.  I asked about your claim that anyone has ever claimed to have put 341,000 kg into earth orbit.

Thirdly, I've been to your site and I am not at all impressed by it.

Thanks for the new link to the document about Saturn V. I always wonder why NASA changes the addresses of a 47 years old documents where many pages are upside down. It seems other documents have other masses of what was put into orbit. Different figures everywhere.

I am really confused of the disorder.

Re my web site, I am quite pleased with it myself.

I am pretty certain you are not an idiot and are capable of deducing this stuff. 

Thanks! You are right. But topic is my Challenge to get a spacecraft full of idiots (i.e. stupid humans) into space.

Evidently - plainly and clearly - nobody would send up a bunch of idiots into space in a tinbox like sardines. The Challenge is just to confirm it. If you do it, I congratulate you. Evidently you'll not get the MONEY.