I won Heiwa's €1,000,000 challenge

Trajectory optimization isn't like shooting at ducks.  We don't need to guess about anything.  We know where the bodies are, where they're going to be, how strong their gravities are, and how to plan the burn accordingly to achieve the desired result.  All of this is done by professionals with professional software.

Hm, you are speeding around at high speed in a departure orbit at Earth and you are going to make a hole-in-one with your spacecraft at an orbit of another moving target (the Moon) a couple of days later by applying a force to your spacecraft and you suggest all of this is done by professionals with professional software.  I suggest it is a joke!

But the question is how much fuel is used to produce this force - so you make a hole-in-one a couple of days later. Any ideas?

Do not just say all is possible (by magicians) and that I do not understand anything.

One purpose of the Challenge is to clarify all questions I do not know the answers to.

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Quote from: Heiwa on April 22, 2016, 07:13:35 AM

If I manage to get close to the arrival way point, I always arrive at the wrong speed and direction and crashes below the way point due to lack of fuel to apply a correct brake force.

Why do you assume that you will always arrive at the wrong speed and direction?  If your trajectory was calculated and executed correctly, then there is no reason that you shouldn't arrive at the correct direction and speed to safely reenter the atmosphere.

I do not assume anything. I simulate space travel where I apply a force one day to my spacecraft burning fuel to reach the target a couple of days later at an exact time, location, speed and direction (i.e. a certain altitude above the Moon or Earth).
I always fail and crash. The gravity force of the Moon or Earth is too strong and pulls me straight down. A force applied to my spacecraft several days earlier cannot prevent it.
It seems human space travel is difficult.

Then it seems like you're using the wrong programs.  I personally have been learning STK and GMAT, but I think the best one for amateurs like yourself would be KSP. 

Trajectory optimization isn't like shooting at ducks.  We don't need to guess about anything.  We know where the bodies are, where they're going to be, how strong their gravities are, and how to plan the burn accordingly to achieve the desired result.  All of this is done by professionals with professional software.

If he is truly interested in learning KSP is a great tool.  A bit simplified but if someone does not understand the basics they will not get to a low orbit or anywhere beyond.

Heiwa:

KSP uses the patched conics model and real world formulas for determining things like delta-v, TWR, drag, etc. 

You can even uses CKAN to install mods that change things to make it more realistic.  The base simulation is simplified to make it more accessible and easier.

Thanks. I know it. However, the questions of my Challenge are masses and fuel consumptions of spacecrafts and how to get started and how to get off the ground at the beginning, i.e. weight optimization. KSP cannot do it.

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Quote from: Heiwa on April 22, 2016, 07:13:35 AM

If I manage to get close to the arrival way point, I always arrive at the wrong speed and direction and crashes below the way point due to lack of fuel to apply a correct brake force.

Why do you assume that you will always arrive at the wrong speed and direction?  If your trajectory was calculated and executed correctly, then there is no reason that you shouldn't arrive at the correct direction and speed to safely reenter the atmosphere.

I do not assume anything. I simulate space travel where I apply a force one day to my spacecraft burning fuel to reach the target a couple of days later at an exact time, location, speed and direction (i.e. a certain altitude above the Moon or Earth).
I always fail and crash. The gravity force of the Moon or Earth is too strong and pulls me straight down. A force applied to my spacecraft several days earlier cannot prevent it.
It seems human space travel is difficult.

Then it seems like you're using the wrong programs.  I personally have been learning STK and GMAT, but I think the best one for amateurs like yourself would be KSP. 

Trajectory optimization isn't like shooting at ducks.  We don't need to guess about anything.  We know where the bodies are, where they're going to be, how strong their gravities are, and how to plan the burn accordingly to achieve the desired result.  All of this is done by professionals with professional software.

If he is truly interested in learning KSP is a great tool.  A bit simplified but if someone does not understand the basics they will not get to a low orbit or anywhere beyond.

Heiwa:

KSP uses the patched conics model and real world formulas for determining things like delta-v, TWR, drag, etc. 

You can even uses CKAN to install mods that change things to make it more realistic.  The base simulation is simplified to make it more accessible and easier.

Thanks. I know it. However, the questions of my Challenge are masses and fuel consumptions of spacecrafts and how to get started and how to get off the ground at the beginning, i.e. weight optimization. KSP cannot do it.

It is more simulation than a game.

It uses real world models and calculations.

As I stated it uses the patched conics  and other real world models.  The formulas used are the same used to put satellites in orbits. Things like delta-v and TWR are calculated the same way they are in real life.

You maybe surprised how good a simulation it is.  Even if it uses cartoon figures as astronauts.

It cost $40 and a lot cheaper than any other program you can get to simulate the physics involved.

If you add mods you can make it more realistic.  In the base game the system is only the 1/4 the size of ours, reentry is a bit more forgiving to make it more accessible to people.

If you want an adequate simulator add these to the game:

Real Solar System: Simulates our system
FAR: Uses a model of aerodynamics based on the real one
Deadly reentry: makes reentry more difficult, simulates the problems with reentry more realistic like heat loads and g-forces.
Then there are various mods based on real world rocket motors and space craft.

For fun I planned and conducted mission similar to Apollo program and then compared them to what NASA came up with.  There was some differences in orbits used, but the delta-v calculations where almost the same.  I used a little more delta-v when I manually did the burns and about 100 m/s less when I used a autopilot mod.  My reentry angle was a little off also.

As I mentioned before if you do not have a basic understanding of the generally accepted model even in the base game you will not make it to orbit unless you happen to get lucky.

As I mentioned before if you do not have a basic understanding of the generally accepted model even in the base game you will not make it to orbit unless you happen to get lucky.

Hm, the topic is my Challenge about masses and fuel consumption of spacecrafts with humans aboard. I know I can send a satellite (without humans) into orbit, etc, etc.

BTW - I live, asocially, in a rather luxurious 6 rooms appartment with a nice roof garden and balcony overlooking the Mediterranean sea with a 1100 m tall mountain in the back sometimes covered in snow in the winter. I am the owner of it. Only the appartment. The mountain belongs to the French army that once had a fortress on the top ... now abandoned. And I am not the owner of the Mediterranean sea. I just see it. You understand?
 
It is correct that I consider all atomic bombs non-working (and other nuclear weapon pretty useless) while being a supporter of civilian, nuclear energy/electricity/power generation. Like all French I am anti-American. One reason is that Americans believe that structures just suddenly collapse from top down - small, weak top crushing big, strong bottom ... all the fault of some Arabs. Such Americans are really ignorant, stupid fools that I generally just laugh at. Imagine all the POTUS believing in such nonsense.

I have done military service in the Navy ... just like six POTUS! Imagine that! But I was really involved - not having a vaccation in the South Pacific away from the eyes of media.

Quote from: Blue_Moon on April 22, 2016, 08:32:25 PM

Trajectory optimization isn't like shooting at ducks.  We don't need to guess about anything.  We know where the bodies are, where they're going to be, how strong their gravities are, and how to plan the burn accordingly to achieve the desired result.  All of this is done by professionals with professional software.

Hm, you are speeding around at high speed in a departure orbit at Earth and you are going to make a hole-in-one with your spacecraft at an orbit of another moving target (the Moon) a couple of days later by applying a force to your spacecraft and you suggest all of this is done by professionals with professional software.  I suggest it is a joke!

But the question is how much fuel is used to produce this force - so you make a hole-in-one a couple of days later. Any ideas?

Do not just say all is possible (by magicians) and that I do not understand anything.

One purpose of the Challenge is to clarify all questions I do not know the answers to.

This entire time, we've been clarifying the questions you don't know the answer to.  Soon enough, you'll realize that jokes and magic didn't take us to the moon and back. 


I just flew a mission in Kerbal Space Program from a 100 km Kerbin orbit to a 50km Mun periapsis.   With my entirely arbitrary rocket, the transfer injection and correction burns took 841.8 and 18.2 m/s delta-V, 1475 units of Liquid Fuel, and 1802 units of Oxidizer.  The fuel and oxidizer usage would vary widely based on the spacecraft and whether or not it had to stage during the burn, which I had to do.  Despite that, the delta-v remains constant and applies to any missions with the same initial and final conditions. 

Quote from: Woody on April 22, 2016, 11:03:54 PM

As I mentioned before if you do not have a basic understanding of the generally accepted model even in the base game you will not make it to orbit unless you happen to get lucky.

Hm, the topic is my Challenge about masses and fuel consumption of spacecrafts with humans aboard. I know I can send a satellite (without humans) into orbit, etc, etc.

BTW - I live, asocially, in a rather luxurious 6 rooms appartment with a nice roof garden and balcony overlooking the Mediterranean sea with a 1100 m tall mountain in the back sometimes covered in snow in the winter. I am the owner of it. Only the appartment. The mountain belongs to the French army that once had a fortress on the top ... now abandoned. And I am not the owner of the Mediterranean sea. I just see it. You understand?
 
It is correct that I consider all atomic bombs non-working (and other nuclear weapon pretty useless) while being a supporter of civilian, nuclear energy/electricity/power generation. Like all French I am anti-American. One reason is that Americans believe that structures just suddenly collapse from top down - small, weak top crushing big, strong bottom ... all the fault of some Arabs. Such Americans are really ignorant, stupid fools that I generally just laugh at. Imagine all the POTUS believing in such nonsense.

I have done military service in the Navy ... just like six POTUS! Imagine that! But I was really involved - not having a vaccation in the South Pacific away from the eyes of media.

While not a perfect simulation it does an adequate job at getting the basics right.
That is why my recreation of the Apollo missions used almost the same amount of delta-v claimed by NASA and others sources say it takes to get to the moon and back.

You are showing your lack of understanding again since it seems you do not know to calculate delta-v you need to know masses and the amount and type of propellant.

Delta-v is what determines where a spacecraft can go and it does not matter if the payload includes people are not.  It tells you the total velocity change that a rocket can achieve. 

Getting places in space is just changing velocity.  That is why one of the most important and most used equations is Tsiolkovsky's.

I love a debate just as much as the next guy, however can everyone stop feeding this troll. Starvation is the only way to kill this beast, not even beating with a hose or a sack full of oranges will work.

Been a year and a half of this crap. Your debate goes on deaf ears, either he doesn't get it or he doesn't want to. His challenge is a lie, and, he has no money to pay for the winner which will never exsist anyways .

Since a mod won't ban him or close this thread,  whipping him doesn't work, just stop feeding him. Once he realizes there is no attention left here, he will move on to the next unlucky site and cast his shadow of ignorance and lies there.

Quote from: Woody on April 22, 2016, 11:03:54 PM

As I mentioned before if you do not have a basic understanding of the generally accepted model even in the base game you will not make it to orbit unless you happen to get lucky.

Hm, the topic is my Challenge about masses and fuel consumption of spacecrafts with humans aboard. I know I can send a satellite (without humans) into orbit, etc, etc.

BTW - I live, asocially, in a rather luxurious 6 rooms appartment with a nice roof garden and balcony overlooking the Mediterranean sea with a 1100 m tall mountain in the back sometimes covered in snow in the winter. I am the owner of it. Only the appartment. The mountain belongs to the French army that once had a fortress on the top ... now abandoned. And I am not the owner of the Mediterranean sea. I just see it. You understand?
 
It is correct that I consider all atomic bombs non-working (and other nuclear weapon pretty useless) while being a supporter of civilian, nuclear energy/electricity/power generation. Like all French I am anti-American. One reason is that Americans believe that structures just suddenly collapse from top down - small, weak top crushing big, strong bottom ... all the fault of some Arabs. Such Americans are really ignorant, stupid fools that I generally just laugh at. Imagine all the POTUS believing in such nonsense.

I have done military service in the Navy ... just like six POTUS! Imagine that! But I was really involved - not having a vaccation in the South Pacific away from the eyes of media.

Right....since that place has 6 bedroom plans. It's the American version of social housing, welfare housing, HUD. I was in France for 3 months on business, never came across a 6 bedroom apartment in an area like that. I mean look how close the front doors are together. It resembles a hotel more than anything. The research has already been done on your living situation. Send a video of you walking through your "big 6 bedroom apartment", or send proof you have any financial backing of any type.... Until then just silence your lies.

Your dribble about the atomic bomb is the dumbest thing I have heard, yet you believe in atomic reactors. The atomic bomb is a highly enriched uranium or plutonium core with whatever neutron developing element chosen. You bang them together with TNT accelerant and boom. That big fancy explosion you see that you don't understand, is just the atmospheric bi product of the extreme millisecond or two of heat. Then you have the hydrogen bomb which uses a circular nuclear explosion pattern to hold the neutrons and uranium together long enough to start a brief chain fussion reaction. Which is why bombs kept getting bigger and bigger. The ones dropped on Japan were very inefficient, most of the radiative pieces were blown away from each other. It's all a game, the longer they are kept together the more heat that will be built and the bigger the bomb. 95 percent enriched vs 20 percent enriched for nuclear reactors.

Not to mention the control rods handle neutron transfer for heat. I put this as simple as possible so hopefully you will get it. This is my last piece of bread for you, until you come to your senses. The rest of my effort will be in running you off

Quote from: Heiwa on April 23, 2016, 12:16:46 AM

Quote from: Woody on April 22, 2016, 11:03:54 PM

As I mentioned before if you do not have a basic understanding of the generally accepted model even in the base game you will not make it to orbit unless you happen to get lucky.

Hm, the topic is my Challenge about masses and fuel consumption of spacecrafts with humans aboard. I know I can send a satellite (without humans) into orbit, etc, etc.

BTW - I live, asocially, in a rather luxurious 6 rooms appartment with a nice roof garden and balcony overlooking the Mediterranean sea with a 1100 m tall mountain in the back sometimes covered in snow in the winter. I am the owner of it. Only the appartment. The mountain belongs to the French army that once had a fortress on the top ... now abandoned. And I am not the owner of the Mediterranean sea. I just see it. You understand?
 
It is correct that I consider all atomic bombs non-working (and other nuclear weapon pretty useless) while being a supporter of civilian, nuclear energy/electricity/power generation. Like all French I am anti-American. One reason is that Americans believe that structures just suddenly collapse from top down - small, weak top crushing big, strong bottom ... all the fault of some Arabs. Such Americans are really ignorant, stupid fools that I generally just laugh at. Imagine all the POTUS believing in such nonsense.

I have done military service in the Navy ... just like six POTUS! Imagine that! But I was really involved - not having a vaccation in the South Pacific away from the eyes of media.

While not a perfect simulation it does an adequate job at getting the basics right.
That is why my recreation of the Apollo missions used almost the same amount of delta-v claimed by NASA and others sources say it takes to get to the moon and back.

You are showing your lack of understanding again since it seems you do not know to calculate delta-v you need to know masses and the amount and type of propellant.

Delta-v is what determines where a spacecraft can go and it does not matter if the payload includes people are not.  It tells you the total velocity change that a rocket can achieve. 

Getting places in space is just changing velocity.  That is why one of the most important and most used equations is Tsiolkovsky's.

To win my Challenge (topic) you must describe perfectly human space trips to (1) the Moon and (2) Mars, incl. the mass (kg) of the spacecraft and fuel (kg) used at various stages during the trips. Don't tell me that I can do it myself. I can't!

I know of course that you must apply forces (N) during times (seconds) to the spacecraft to (1) leave Earth, (2) to land on the Moon and Mars, (3) leave the Moon and Mars and (4) finally re-enter and land on Earth.

The Challenge is to calculate the fuel (kg) to create the forces. Should be easy?

I am 100% certain NASA and ESA cannot do it.

Why?

I have asked them!

And they didn't reply.

Even if I offered €1M for it.

Then I extended my generous offer/Challenge to the public. Topic!

And there we are today.

One applicant presented a spacecraft with mass >300 000 kg orbiting Earth prior departure. Most of it was fuel just to get started on the trip away from Earth gravity.

The spacecraft looked spartan. No beds. No nothing. Looked like the inside of a tent. His spacecraft needed >250 000 kg fuel just to leave Earth orbit. 

I asked how he got his >300 000 kg spacecraft + fuel into orbit. He said he used some superstrong rocket, blah, blah.

Today it seems most spacecrafts are satellites with mass ~3 000 kg and they are just sent into orbits around Earth. They are just 100 times smaller than my applicant's spartan spacecraft going further.

But who wants to go to Mars in a cramped spacecraft smaller than a tent?

They must be idiots.

Don't tell me again I am an idiot. I am not. See http://heiwaco.com/cv.htm

I was in France for 3 months on business, never came across a 6 bedroom apartment in an area like that. I mean look how close the front doors are together. It resembles a hotel more than anything.

You have been in France for 3 months on business? Where?

I agree a 6 bedroom apartment is rare in France. I only have three bedrooms, an office, a dining room and a living room (+roof garden/balcony, views) apart from kitchen/bathrooms etc and it is asocial. All that for me ... alone.
But that's life. Unfair. Not socially just or fair. I am a winner! From my office I look down on Monaco and all what is there.

You seem to be a loser. You haven't even won my Challenge! Why can it be? Lack of intelligence?

Tell me!

Quote from: Babyhighspeed on April 23, 2016, 02:49:22 AM

I was in France for 3 months on business, never came across a 6 bedroom apartment in an area like that. I mean look how close the front doors are together. It resembles a hotel more than anything.

You have been in France for 3 months on business? Where?

I agree a 6 bedroom apartment is rare in France. I only have three bedrooms, an office, a dining room and a living room (+roof garden/balcony, views) apart from kitchen/bathrooms etc and it is asocial. All that for me ... alone.
But that's life. Unfair. Not socially just or fair. I am a winner! From my office I look down on Monaco and all what is there.

You seem to be a loser. You haven't even won my Challenge! Why can it be? Lack of intelligence?

Tell me!

Oh look out!!! He is master of psychology!! Got me all figured out!

In answer to your only real question...most of my business was held in Marseille. Though I did go to a banlieue outside of Lyon to visit an employee of my mines family whom I brought on bored with a work visa. They showed me around to alot of other parts of France spent about a week doing that.

I have a question....is your business even real? I see you have advertisements for your "services" on the same website that has all the other non sense. Plus it is un readable beyond that. No client in their right mind would use you with a website tool like that. Sure I have my own beliefs, but I never share any of that with my clients. It's business only. Think...when I was heavy into the aerospace market before it's private "collapse", I have a client needing a slave feeder for a turbo pump... They go on a website that along with my products, also says " could the world be flat??". Ha ha, bye bye client.

My whole point is the more I learn about you the more crap I see. I will make it fair...prove something. I will even follow suit, I will return the favor. How about that? I feel that is fair.

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Quote from: Babyhighspeed on April 23, 2016, 02:49:22 AM

I was in France for 3 months on business, never came across a 6 bedroom apartment in an area like that. I mean look how close the front doors are together. It resembles a hotel more than anything.

You have been in France for 3 months on business? Where?

I agree a 6 bedroom apartment is rare in France. I only have three bedrooms, an office, a dining room and a living room (+roof garden/balcony, views) apart from kitchen/bathrooms etc and it is asocial. All that for me ... alone.
But that's life. Unfair. Not socially just or fair. I am a winner! From my office I look down on Monaco and all what is there.

You seem to be a loser. You haven't even won my Challenge! Why can it be? Lack of intelligence?

Tell me!

Oh look out!!! He is master of psychology!! Got me all figured out!

In answer to your only real question...most of my business was held in Marseille. Though I did go to a banlieue outside of Lyon to visit an employee of my mines family whom I brought on bored with a work visa. They showed me around to alot of other parts of France spent about a week doing that.

I have a question....is your business even real? I see you have advertisements for your "services" on the same website that has all the other non sense. Plus it is un readable beyond that. No client in their right mind would use you with a website tool like that. Sure I have my own beliefs, but I never share any of that with my clients. It's business only. Think...when I was heavy into the aerospace market before it's private "collapse", I have a client needing a slave feeder for a turbo pump... They go on a website that along with my products, also says " could the world be flat??". Ha ha, bye bye client.

My whole point is the more I learn about you the more crap I see. I will make it fair...prove something. I will even follow suit, I will return the favor. How about that? I feel that is fair.

You confirm being on drugs. I asked you before which one. No reply!
Regardless, you sound crazy.
Why don't you piss off?

Quote from: Babyhighspeed on April 23, 2016, 03:54:38 AM

Quote from: Heiwa on April 23, 2016, 03:20:50 AM

Quote from: Babyhighspeed on April 23, 2016, 02:49:22 AM

I was in France for 3 months on business, never came across a 6 bedroom apartment in an area like that. I mean look how close the front doors are together. It resembles a hotel more than anything.

You have been in France for 3 months on business? Where?

I agree a 6 bedroom apartment is rare in France. I only have three bedrooms, an office, a dining room and a living room (+roof garden/balcony, views) apart from kitchen/bathrooms etc and it is asocial. All that for me ... alone.
But that's life. Unfair. Not socially just or fair. I am a winner! From my office I look down on Monaco and all what is there.

You seem to be a loser. You haven't even won my Challenge! Why can it be? Lack of intelligence?

Tell me!

Oh look out!!! He is master of psychology!! Got me all figured out!

In answer to your only real question...most of my business was held in Marseille. Though I did go to a banlieue outside of Lyon to visit an employee of my mines family whom I brought on bored with a work visa. They showed me around to alot of other parts of France spent about a week doing that.

I have a question....is your business even real? I see you have advertisements for your "services" on the same website that has all the other non sense. Plus it is un readable beyond that. No client in their right mind would use you with a website tool like that. Sure I have my own beliefs, but I never share any of that with my clients. It's business only. Think...when I was heavy into the aerospace market before it's private "collapse", I have a client needing a slave feeder for a turbo pump... They go on a website that along with my products, also says " could the world be flat??". Ha ha, bye bye client.

My whole point is the more I learn about you the more crap I see. I will make it fair...prove something. I will even follow suit, I will return the favor. How about that? I feel that is fair.

You confirm being on drugs. I asked you before which one. No reply!
Regardless, you sound crazy.
Why don't you piss off?

I did answer the drugs question in a comment last page (besides occasionally drinking one two many nothing else), I cannot help that reading comprehension is not your strong suit.

I guess you are right.....maybe I am crazy in your eyes. Asking you to prove something...anything!! I even offered to follow suit to show I wasn't blowing smoke and out of courtesy of the call out. I don't like wasting peoples time and screwing with them. What happens if you have that kiddo whom has a sick relative that he sees this challenge. He spends a month propagating the math to an exact form, sends it in and all he gets is.....well you. Not to mention the fact that lying is all you apparently know. So if to someone like you thinks i am crazy, then I feel I am doing OK.

Plus blind insults, ignoring questions and requests (which apparently you are a master at, with overwhelming proof just in this overly long thread) and just ridiculous lies. This is your only defense and attempted redirect at the fact of you don't have the money, your challenge is just an outright lie, and your business is bogus.

You want me to "piss off" because I won't get off your case until you apologize and change, or move on. You waste peoples time and energy along with being a cancer to any area attempting to do legitimate research and debate. If this were any other forum you would have been banned many times over, which apparently happens alot to you.

I don't care if you are just a regular guy living in assisted living, working a regular job (if you even work) whom made a crazy website full of mostly un truths and troll comments. We all take our different paths in life and I can surely respect that. However, it's the cancer that you bring with your lies and attitude that needs to be banished. Either apologize and change, or move on to a new forum and cast your cancerous shadow over them until they ban you.

Quote from: Heiwa on April 23, 2016, 04:37:41 AM

Quote from: Babyhighspeed on April 23, 2016, 03:54:38 AM

Quote from: Heiwa on April 23, 2016, 03:20:50 AM

Quote from: Babyhighspeed on April 23, 2016, 02:49:22 AM

I was in France for 3 months on business, never came across a 6 bedroom apartment in an area like that. I mean look how close the front doors are together. It resembles a hotel more than anything.

You have been in France for 3 months on business? Where?

I agree a 6 bedroom apartment is rare in France. I only have three bedrooms, an office, a dining room and a living room (+roof garden/balcony, views) apart from kitchen/bathrooms etc and it is asocial. All that for me ... alone.
But that's life. Unfair. Not socially just or fair. I am a winner! From my office I look down on Monaco and all what is there.

You seem to be a loser. You haven't even won my Challenge! Why can it be? Lack of intelligence?

Tell me!

Oh look out!!! He is master of psychology!! Got me all figured out!

In answer to your only real question...most of my business was held in Marseille. Though I did go to a banlieue outside of Lyon to visit an employee of my mines family whom I brought on bored with a work visa. They showed me around to alot of other parts of France spent about a week doing that.

I have a question....is your business even real? I see you have advertisements for your "services" on the same website that has all the other non sense. Plus it is un readable beyond that. No client in their right mind would use you with a website tool like that. Sure I have my own beliefs, but I never share any of that with my clients. It's business only. Think...when I was heavy into the aerospace market before it's private "collapse", I have a client needing a slave feeder for a turbo pump... They go on a website that along with my products, also says " could the world be flat??". Ha ha, bye bye client.

My whole point is the more I learn about you the more crap I see. I will make it fair...prove something. I will even follow suit, I will return the favor. How about that? I feel that is fair.

You confirm being on drugs. I asked you before which one. No reply!
Regardless, you sound crazy.
Why don't you piss off?

I did answer the drugs question in a comment last page (besides occasionally drinking one two many nothing else), I cannot help that reading comprehension is not your strong suit.

No, you didn't answer the drug question. Or any questions.

But topic is my Challenge. Try to quit booz and LSD, etc, and focus on it. You'll feel better.

Quote from: Heiwa on April 22, 2016, 10:21:13 AM

Quote from: Babyhighspeed on April 22, 2016, 10:01:15 AM

I attempted to give you an out to be a decent person and apologize for screwing with everyone  ( that offer will always stand, would rather productive conversation than this).

Thanks. What drug are you on, baby? You sound sick so it must be a bad one.

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Quote from: Heiwa on April 21, 2016, 09:27:15 PM

Well, it is a private, valuable building owned by us living there and it is close to everything: jobs, shops, schools, hospitals, railway station, beaches, sport facilities, fishing, skiing in the mountains, opera house, theaters, cinemas, airport, sailing, restaurants, etc. Why do you suggest it is a council housing? There are some nearby but today you cannot build anything in the vicinity as there is little space available = prices are HIGH and it costs a lot to live here! Luckily Monaco/Monte Carlo is just 200 m away with plenty jobs/activities, etc. You sound as if you are just jealous and stupid. Off topic as usual, too. I always wonder why so many sick people write nonsense at Internet forums. Evidently I must publish my address so that Challengers can contact me and see that the Challenge is real. And sick people think it is some equivalent of social/council housing. I just feel sorry for them.

The building is owned by ICF Habitat Novedis*. Did you not follow the link? Why do you continue to lie?

*And holy shit, do you really live rent-free?

Holy crap!! Rent free?? Gotta love public assistance.. Maybe he does have a million euro, since apparently he hasn't been paying for anything.

Heiwa...
Well despite drinking a bit too much from time to time that is it my friend. I would take a deep breath and look in the mirror my friend, I think it's time. You know people will accept you for the real you...just be yourself. This persona though, it needs to be taken out back and beat with a hose.

Also you calling me broke when you live in public assistance rent free! At least I pay my way on my own, my house is paid for as is my business warehouse and i did so by busting ass. So let's calm down bud.

The offer is still open. Just admit you screwed up and apologize, be yourself and you would be amazed what would happen:)

Here is where I answered your claim of me being on drugs. Page 139 so once again caught in a lie.

Fake business, fake "challenge" , fake money, fake everything. Only thing real about you is lies.

Just stop it! Be real.

Quote from: Babyhighspeed on April 22, 2016, 12:15:52 PM

Quote from: Heiwa on April 22, 2016, 10:21:13 AM

Quote from: Babyhighspeed on April 22, 2016, 10:01:15 AM

I attempted to give you an out to be a decent person and apologize for screwing with everyone  ( that offer will always stand, would rather productive conversation than this).

Thanks. What drug are you on, baby? You sound sick so it must be a bad one.

Quote from: nexzus on April 22, 2016, 11:55:57 AM

Quote from: Heiwa on April 21, 2016, 09:27:15 PM

Well, it is a private, valuable building owned by us living there and it is close to everything: jobs, shops, schools, hospitals, railway station, beaches, sport facilities, fishing, skiing in the mountains, opera house, theaters, cinemas, airport, sailing, restaurants, etc. Why do you suggest it is a council housing? There are some nearby but today you cannot build anything in the vicinity as there is little space available = prices are HIGH and it costs a lot to live here! Luckily Monaco/Monte Carlo is just 200 m away with plenty jobs/activities, etc. You sound as if you are just jealous and stupid. Off topic as usual, too. I always wonder why so many sick people write nonsense at Internet forums. Evidently I must publish my address so that Challengers can contact me and see that the Challenge is real. And sick people think it is some equivalent of social/council housing. I just feel sorry for them.

The building is owned by ICF Habitat Novedis*. Did you not follow the link? Why do you continue to lie?

*And holy shit, do you really live rent-free?

Holy crap!! Rent free?? Gotta love public assistance.. Maybe he does have a million euro, since apparently he hasn't been paying for anything.

Heiwa...
Well despite drinking a bit too much from time to time that is it my friend. I would take a deep breath and look in the mirror my friend, I think it's time. You know people will accept you for the real you...just be yourself. This persona though, it needs to be taken out back and beat with a hose.

Also you calling me broke when you live in public assistance rent free! At least I pay my way on my own, my house is paid for as is my business warehouse and i did so by busting ass. So let's calm down bud.

The offer is still open. Just admit you screwed up and apologize, be yourself and you would be amazed what would happen:)

Here is where I answered your claim of me being on drugs. Page 139 so once again caught in a lie.

Fake business, fake "challenge" , fake money, fake everything. Only thing real about you is lies.

Just stop it! Be real.

You call it an answer about your drug problems? You seem to be in denial going down the drain into the shit.

Well, it is off topic. Here we discuss my Challenge. Not your social or medical problems. I cannot understand why all these sick crackpots gather here to moan about me and my Challenge?

BTW - what biz did you do at Marseille?

Oh my....aren't you the clever one. Let's just state words like someone actually said them, I am pretty sure I did this in the 5th grade. We now know your business, money, challenge and about anything else that escapes that brain of yours is fake and a lie. Now I need to dig further, from your grade level behavior, have you even finished or made it to high school?? Much less College... Actually I take that back, I have met many very intelligent people whom did not even make it half way through highschool. As I have said before, former schooling is just a formality.

So I will rephrase my question. Is your mind fully functioning? Is this why you live in government housing? If so I truly do apologize, I will immediately cese hurassing you.

 P.S. The reason people "pick on poor old you" is because everything you say is a lie. Your money, challenge, and money is a lie. You are no different than the government you say you don't trust. You should go work with them, y'all would get along nicely both telling lies as truth.

The topic is not what I know about space travel or where I live.

I do not assume anything. I simulate space travel where I apply a force one day to my spacecraft burning fuel to reach the target a couple of days later at an exact time, location, speed and direction (i.e. a certain altitude above the Moon or Earth).
I always fail and crash. The gravity force of the Moon or Earth is too strong and pulls me straight down. A force applied to my spacecraft several days earlier cannot prevent it.
It seems human space travel is difficult.

Of course this thread is about what you do and don't know about space travel.  If you don't have the right formulas for fuel consumption and navigation, then how can you possibly run an accurate simulation?

Is this why you live in government housing? If so I truly do apologize, I will immediately cese hurassing you.

Well, I have always lived in my own, private (luxury) appartment (with roof garden) and never in any government (or municipal) housing ever, so don't worry.

What about your drug (and spelling) problems. It seems they get worse.

Quote from: Babyhighspeed on April 23, 2016, 06:32:56 AM

Quote from: Babyhighspeed on April 22, 2016, 12:15:52 PM

Quote from: Heiwa on April 22, 2016, 10:21:13 AM

Quote from: Babyhighspeed on April 22, 2016, 10:01:15 AM

I attempted to give you an out to be a decent person and apologize for screwing with everyone  ( that offer will always stand, would rather productive conversation than this).

Thanks. What drug are you on, baby? You sound sick so it must be a bad one.

Quote from: nexzus on April 22, 2016, 11:55:57 AM

Quote from: Heiwa on April 21, 2016, 09:27:15 PM

Well, it is a private, valuable building owned by us living there and it is close to everything: jobs, shops, schools, hospitals, railway station, beaches, sport facilities, fishing, skiing in the mountains, opera house, theaters, cinemas, airport, sailing, restaurants, etc. Why do you suggest it is a council housing? There are some nearby but today you cannot build anything in the vicinity as there is little space available = prices are HIGH and it costs a lot to live here! Luckily Monaco/Monte Carlo is just 200 m away with plenty jobs/activities, etc. You sound as if you are just jealous and stupid. Off topic as usual, too. I always wonder why so many sick people write nonsense at Internet forums. Evidently I must publish my address so that Challengers can contact me and see that the Challenge is real. And sick people think it is some equivalent of social/council housing. I just feel sorry for them.

The building is owned by ICF Habitat Novedis*. Did you not follow the link? Why do you continue to lie?

*And holy shit, do you really live rent-free?

Holy crap!! Rent free?? Gotta love public assistance.. Maybe he does have a million euro, since apparently he hasn't been paying for anything.

Heiwa...
Well despite drinking a bit too much from time to time that is it my friend. I would take a deep breath and look in the mirror my friend, I think it's time. You know people will accept you for the real you...just be yourself. This persona though, it needs to be taken out back and beat with a hose.

Also you calling me broke when you live in public assistance rent free! At least I pay my way on my own, my house is paid for as is my business warehouse and i did so by busting ass. So let's calm down bud.

The offer is still open. Just admit you screwed up and apologize, be yourself and you would be amazed what would happen:)

Here is where I answered your claim of me being on drugs. Page 139 so once again caught in a lie.

Fake business, fake "challenge" , fake money, fake everything. Only thing real about you is lies.

Just stop it! Be real.

You call it an answer about your drug problems? You seem to be in denial going down the drain into the shit.

Well, it is off topic. Here we discuss my Challenge. Not your social or medical problems. I cannot understand why all these sick crackpots gather here to moan about me and my Challenge?

Of course, you know why, this is an online forum where some folks seek attention and will say anything to get it even if it means stacking one fraudulent, deceitful, disingenuous, dishonest post after another while projecting their own failings onto those who seek to expose them.

Of course, you know why, this is an online forum where some folks seek attention and will say anything to get it even if it means stacking one fraudulent, deceitful, disingenuous, dishonest post after another while projecting their own failings onto those who seek to expose them.

Yes, some clown, now apparently locked up in a mental institution or similar, started this thread a long time ago to seek attention; he said he had won my Challenge. I informed him he had not. It is the truth. Nothing to lie about. He apparently suffered from burn-out or similar later due to my info.

He didn't understand that in order to calculate the fuel required for a space trip (the Challenge) you must establish/know the forces (N) applied to the spacecraft and their times (sec) of application during the trip and then verify that the rocket engine(s) can apply the forces. As you know the fuel consumption (kg/sec) of the engine(s) and the running time (sec) it is easy to calculate fuel (kg) consumed.

So far nobody has done it. It seems the problems are to establish the forces (N) applied to the spacecraft and their times (sec) of application.

Amazingly nobody has been able to establish the force (N) to get a 50 000 kg (without fuel) spacecraft already in high speed orbit around Earth (brought their by a separate rocket) away from Earth towards, e.g. the Moon and how much fuel is required for it.

Someone suggested he needed 250 000 kg of fuel for it but didn't know how to get it off the ground.

Then there is the problem to apply the force (N) at the right location in the right direction during the right time, etc. The applicant had no idea how how to fire a rocket engine of a spacecraft already at high orbital speed to increase speed 60% but now in new direction towards the Moon. He thought he just pushed a button and all was automatic using some 1969 technology copied/paste from some dusty NASA records.

I told him he had to do better than that.

Then the applicant collapsed, started to cry and shout telling me all sorts of things. Of course I understand. He was just upset, got lost and then burnt out. Poor sod.

I agree that my Challenge is not easy but do not blame me for it or associated mental/medical/social problems.

I am pretty asocial myself but mentally and medically fit.

Of course, you know why, this is an online forum where some folks seek attention and will say anything to get it even if it means stacking one fraudulent, deceitful, disingenuous, dishonest post after another while projecting their own failings onto those who seek to expose them.

Quote from: Babyhighspeed on April 23, 2016, 07:17:12 AM

Is this why you live in government housing? If so I truly do apologize, I will immediately cese hurassing you.

Well, I have always lived in my own, private (luxury) appartment (with roof garden) and never in any government (or municipal) housing ever, so don't worry.

What about your drug (and spelling) problems. It seems they get worse.

You are correct Mr. Russe...then perhaps I have been going about this all wrong. Maybe I should communicate the way he does. Certainly is a stubborn little troll.

Heiwa.....


So you are say mental deficiency is the reason your housing is on the tax payers and the reason you are not allowed to work?

Heiwa.....
So you are say mental deficiency is the reason your housing is on the tax payers and the reason you are not allowed to work?

No, you are badly informed. I pay for my own housing and all taxes since around 1965, when I started my fantastic career world-wide. I have never been really ill in my life! Just minor stomach upsets drinking Nile water, etc.  Now I am retired but continue to work as a consultant. My 50+ years of experience is valuable. Study my CV - http://heiwaco.com/cv.htm .

These Challenges of mine is just an interesting hobby. http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm
 
It started 9/11/2001 when two structures collapsed from top down "live on TV" and the POTUS explained the next day that some Arabs had found a new way to tear down houses. My grandchildren and their friends couldn't sleep fearing they would be crushed by the top of their houses collapsing.
 
So I explained at their schools and at various meetings why structures/houses couldn't collapse from top and all the children were happy again and could sleep.

The only unhappy ones were the POTUS, CIA and FBI (and Condileezza Rice of course) but I couldn't care less.

Condi and I are old aquintances when she worked for a US oil company polluting the oceans. It wanted to buy a patent I had about a superior oil tanker design and ... I didn't sell around 1996. The patent was approved in the USA 1992 and by the United Nations International Maritime Organization 1997 but after I refused to sell USA forbid it! Imagine that.

I hope you will cure your drug/spelling problems. Do not take any drugs and use a spelling software or what they are called.

BTW I get most attention via Internet search engines - say 60% of my ~600 website visitors/day. The rest find me some other way. All of them seem quite happy with my info.

Oh it makes sense now, I feel you could be beginning to mid dementia. I will try to be nicer.

Please know you do not have millions of dollars and all the other wackiness you throw around.

Please sir stop wasting peoples times and delete your challenges. As you could not understand the answers if provided, or refuse to. There is no money to send the "winner" even though it is not possible to win due to prior reasons stated.

If there are any other questions please feel free to hit the panic button of the necklace you wear, they will help you further.

Quote from: DanneJeRusse on April 23, 2016, 07:48:03 AM

Of course, you know why, this is an online forum where some folks seek attention and will say anything to get it even if it means stacking one fraudulent, deceitful, disingenuous, dishonest post after another while projecting their own failings onto those who seek to expose them.

Yes, some clown, now apparently locked up in a mental institution or similar, started this thread a long time ago to seek attention; he said he had won my Challenge. I informed him he had not. It is the truth. Nothing to lie about.

Yes, that is exactly what I referred, you projecting your own failings onto others who have exposed you, adding yet another fraudulent, deceitful, disingenuous, dishonest post to your ample stack.

Quote from: Heiwa on April 23, 2016, 08:46:09 AM

Quote from: DanneJeRusse on April 23, 2016, 07:48:03 AM

Of course, you know why, this is an online forum where some folks seek attention and will say anything to get it even if it means stacking one fraudulent, deceitful, disingenuous, dishonest post after another while projecting their own failings onto those who seek to expose them.

Yes, some clown, now apparently locked up in a mental institution or similar, started this thread a long time ago to seek attention; he said he had won my Challenge. I informed him he had not. It is the truth. Nothing to lie about.

Yes, that is exactly what I referred, you projecting your own failings onto others who have exposed you, adding yet another fraudulent, deceitful, disingenuous, dishonest post to your ample stack.

No, you don't understand with your stupid post. I just reply to most posts about my popular Challenge. Many people are just jealous about it or sorry they cannot win it. You really have to be clever to win it. You seem not to be it.

Quote from: Woody on April 23, 2016, 01:52:21 AM

Quote from: Heiwa on April 23, 2016, 12:16:46 AM

Quote from: Woody on April 22, 2016, 11:03:54 PM

As I mentioned before if you do not have a basic understanding of the generally accepted model even in the base game you will not make it to orbit unless you happen to get lucky.

Hm, the topic is my Challenge about masses and fuel consumption of spacecrafts with humans aboard. I know I can send a satellite (without humans) into orbit, etc, etc.

BTW - I live, asocially, in a rather luxurious 6 rooms appartment with a nice roof garden and balcony overlooking the Mediterranean sea with a 1100 m tall mountain in the back sometimes covered in snow in the winter. I am the owner of it. Only the appartment. The mountain belongs to the French army that once had a fortress on the top ... now abandoned. And I am not the owner of the Mediterranean sea. I just see it. You understand?
 
It is correct that I consider all atomic bombs non-working (and other nuclear weapon pretty useless) while being a supporter of civilian, nuclear energy/electricity/power generation. Like all French I am anti-American. One reason is that Americans believe that structures just suddenly collapse from top down - small, weak top crushing big, strong bottom ... all the fault of some Arabs. Such Americans are really ignorant, stupid fools that I generally just laugh at. Imagine all the POTUS believing in such nonsense.

I have done military service in the Navy ... just like six POTUS! Imagine that! But I was really involved - not having a vaccation in the South Pacific away from the eyes of media.

While not a perfect simulation it does an adequate job at getting the basics right.
That is why my recreation of the Apollo missions used almost the same amount of delta-v claimed by NASA and others sources say it takes to get to the moon and back.

You are showing your lack of understanding again since it seems you do not know to calculate delta-v you need to know masses and the amount and type of propellant.

Delta-v is what determines where a spacecraft can go and it does not matter if the payload includes people are not.  It tells you the total velocity change that a rocket can achieve. 

Getting places in space is just changing velocity.  That is why one of the most important and most used equations is Tsiolkovsky's.

To win my Challenge (topic) you must describe perfectly human space trips to (1) the Moon and (2) Mars, incl. the mass (kg) of the spacecraft and fuel (kg) used at various stages during the trips. Don't tell me that I can do it myself. I can't!

I know of course that you must apply forces (N) during times (seconds) to the spacecraft to (1) leave Earth, (2) to land on the Moon and Mars, (3) leave the Moon and Mars and (4) finally re-enter and land on Earth.

The Challenge is to calculate the fuel (kg) to create the forces. Should be easy?

I am 100% certain NASA and ESA cannot do it.

Why?

I have asked them!

And they didn't reply.

Even if I offered €1M for it.

Then I extended my generous offer/Challenge to the public. Topic!

And there we are today.

One applicant presented a spacecraft with mass >300 000 kg orbiting Earth prior departure. Most of it was fuel just to get started on the trip away from Earth gravity.

The spacecraft looked spartan. No beds. No nothing. Looked like the inside of a tent. His spacecraft needed >250 000 kg fuel just to leave Earth orbit. 

I asked how he got his >300 000 kg spacecraft + fuel into orbit. He said he used some superstrong rocket, blah, blah.

Today it seems most spacecrafts are satellites with mass ~3 000 kg and they are just sent into orbits around Earth. They are just 100 times smaller than my applicant's spartan spacecraft going further.

But who wants to go to Mars in a cramped spacecraft smaller than a tent?

They must be idiots.

Don't tell me again I am an idiot. I am not. See http://heiwaco.com/cv.htm

Here are NASA's answers you seem to keep missing seeing in my previous post:

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20160003122.pdf
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19890001049.pdf
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19710007291.pdf
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19800022934.pdf
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19700011707.pdf
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19720018196.pdf
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19710015566.pdf
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19650002716.pdf
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19670030750.pdf

The above covers what you say NASA does not answer.  It is just a sample of what they make available.

Are you expecting them to redo all the work just for you?

I have shown you where you can find the information you seek.  It is not the only source where you can find the answers to your questions.

http://www.braeunig.us/space/index.htm
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/kepler.html
http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/history/newton3laws.html
http://web.mit.edu/16.unified/www/SPRING/propulsion/notes/node103.html
http://www.brighthub.com/science/space/articles/116036.aspx
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telemetry
https://www.faa.gov/other_visit/aviation_industry/designees_delegations/designee_types/ame/media/Section%20III.4.1.5%20Maneuvering%20in%20Space.pdf

If you can not find the answers it is because you do not want to find them.

Still just going to claim NASA does not make the information available? 

I have pointed out before that NASA did not make this stuff up.  They got all this stuff you like to call funny from the previous generations studying the nature of the world and universe around us.

If you are honest with yourself and others you will stop claiming the information is not available.

If you are truly interested in learning KSP is a great learning tool.  It allows you to mess around a try different things.  It is a adequate simulator of the basics.  Which you have continuously demonstrated having a limited understanding.

1. You seem to think propellant being ejected out a rocket nozzle at high velocity does not need to be taken into account when making calculations.

2. You do not understand drag, since you think it is not a factor during reentry.  You claim there is some mysterious force slowing down spacecraft during reentry.

3. You do not understand lift since you do not understand how something like the Apollo capsules being able to use it.

4. You do not understand calculating things like delta-v and maneuvers is not effected by one or more people on board the spacecraft.

5. You thinking a highly elliptical orbit will result in the spacecraft crashing back on Earth or only crashing if that orbit would result in an encounter with the moon. 

6. You acknowledging gravity is capable of altering velocity yet a gravity assist is impossible.

7. Thinking a reference can not be used in space

8. Thinking measuring angles, telemetry, radar, etc can not be used for navigation in space

9. You seem to not understand delta-v and what it relates to.

10. Thinking Tsiolkovsky rocket equation some how can not be used to answer the amount of propellant needed.

Quote from: Heiwa on April 23, 2016, 03:09:48 AM

Quote from: Woody on April 23, 2016, 01:52:21 AM

Quote from: Heiwa on April 23, 2016, 12:16:46 AM

Quote from: Woody on April 22, 2016, 11:03:54 PM

As I mentioned before if you do not have a basic understanding of the generally accepted model even in the base game you will not make it to orbit unless you happen to get lucky.

Hm, the topic is my Challenge about masses and fuel consumption of spacecrafts with humans aboard. I know I can send a satellite (without humans) into orbit, etc, etc.

BTW - I live, asocially, in a rather luxurious 6 rooms appartment with a nice roof garden and balcony overlooking the Mediterranean sea with a 1100 m tall mountain in the back sometimes covered in snow in the winter. I am the owner of it. Only the appartment. The mountain belongs to the French army that once had a fortress on the top ... now abandoned. And I am not the owner of the Mediterranean sea. I just see it. You understand?
 
It is correct that I consider all atomic bombs non-working (and other nuclear weapon pretty useless) while being a supporter of civilian, nuclear energy/electricity/power generation. Like all French I am anti-American. One reason is that Americans believe that structures just suddenly collapse from top down - small, weak top crushing big, strong bottom ... all the fault of some Arabs. Such Americans are really ignorant, stupid fools that I generally just laugh at. Imagine all the POTUS believing in such nonsense.

I have done military service in the Navy ... just like six POTUS! Imagine that! But I was really involved - not having a vaccation in the South Pacific away from the eyes of media.

While not a perfect simulation it does an adequate job at getting the basics right.
That is why my recreation of the Apollo missions used almost the same amount of delta-v claimed by NASA and others sources say it takes to get to the moon and back.

You are showing your lack of understanding again since it seems you do not know to calculate delta-v you need to know masses and the amount and type of propellant.

Delta-v is what determines where a spacecraft can go and it does not matter if the payload includes people are not.  It tells you the total velocity change that a rocket can achieve. 

Getting places in space is just changing velocity.  That is why one of the most important and most used equations is Tsiolkovsky's.

To win my Challenge (topic) you must describe perfectly human space trips to (1) the Moon and (2) Mars, incl. the mass (kg) of the spacecraft and fuel (kg) used at various stages during the trips. Don't tell me that I can do it myself. I can't!

I know of course that you must apply forces (N) during times (seconds) to the spacecraft to (1) leave Earth, (2) to land on the Moon and Mars, (3) leave the Moon and Mars and (4) finally re-enter and land on Earth.

The Challenge is to calculate the fuel (kg) to create the forces. Should be easy?

I am 100% certain NASA and ESA cannot do it.

Why?

I have asked them!

And they didn't reply.

Even if I offered €1M for it.

Then I extended my generous offer/Challenge to the public. Topic!

And there we are today.

One applicant presented a spacecraft with mass >300 000 kg orbiting Earth prior departure. Most of it was fuel just to get started on the trip away from Earth gravity.

The spacecraft looked spartan. No beds. No nothing. Looked like the inside of a tent. His spacecraft needed >250 000 kg fuel just to leave Earth orbit. 

I asked how he got his >300 000 kg spacecraft + fuel into orbit. He said he used some superstrong rocket, blah, blah.

Today it seems most spacecrafts are satellites with mass ~3 000 kg and they are just sent into orbits around Earth. They are just 100 times smaller than my applicant's spartan spacecraft going further.

But who wants to go to Mars in a cramped spacecraft smaller than a tent?

They must be idiots.

Don't tell me again I am an idiot. I am not. See http://heiwaco.com/cv.htm

Here are NASA's answers you seem to keep missing seeing in my previous post:

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20160003122.pdf
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19890001049.pdf
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19710007291.pdf
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19800022934.pdf
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19700011707.pdf
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19720018196.pdf
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19710015566.pdf
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19650002716.pdf
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19670030750.pdf

The above covers what you say NASA does not answer.  It is just a sample of what they make available.

Are you expecting them to redo all the work just for you?

I have shown you where you can find the information you seek.  It is not the only source where you can find the answers to your questions.

http://www.braeunig.us/space/index.htm
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/kepler.html
http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/history/newton3laws.html
http://web.mit.edu/16.unified/www/SPRING/propulsion/notes/node103.html
http://www.brighthub.com/science/space/articles/116036.aspx
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telemetry
https://www.faa.gov/other_visit/aviation_industry/designees_delegations/designee_types/ame/media/Section%20III.4.1.5%20Maneuvering%20in%20Space.pdf

If you can not find the answers it is because you do not want to find it.

Still just going to claim NASA does not make the information available? 

I have pointed out before that NASA did not make this stuff up.  They got all this stuff you like to call funny from the previous generations studying the nature of the world and universe around us.

If you are honest with yourself and others you will stop claiming the information is not available.

If you are truly interested in learning KSP is a great learning tool.  It allows you to mess around a try different things.  It is a adequate simulator of the basics.  Which you have continuously demonstrated having a limited understanding.

1. You seem to think propellant being ejected out a rocket nozzle at high velocity does not need to be taken into account when making calculations.

2. You do not understand drag, since you think it is not a factor during reentry.  You claim there is some mysterious force slowing down spacecraft during reentry.

3. You do not understand lift since you do not understand how something like the Apollo capsules being able to use it.

4. You do not understand calculating things like delta-v and maneuvers is not effected by one or more people on board the spacecraft.

5. You thinking a highly elliptical orbit will result in the spacecraft crashing back on Earth or only crashing if that orbit would result in an encounter with the moon. 

6. You acknowledging gravity is capable of altering velocity yet a gravity assist is impossible.

7. Thinking a reference can not be used in space

8. Thinking measuring angles, telemetry, radar, etc can not be used for navigation in space

9. You seem to not understand delta-v and what it relates to.

10. Thinking Tsiolkovsky rocket equation some how can not be used to answer the amount of propellant needed.

Thanks.

Why do you tell me again I am an idiot.

I am not.

Topic is my Challenge and you have to provide figures of masses and fuel consumed.

Do it! Do not copy/paste links to rubbish to waste my time (I have plenty).

Why not just make an attempt to win the Challenge?

Why not just make an attempt to win the Challenge?

Because everyone knows you're just a pathological liar who will just change the rules anyway.  That and the FACT that you don't even have the money.  You and your challenge are a fraud.

6. You acknowledging gravity is capable of altering velocity yet a gravity assist is impossible.

Yes. Gravity is a just a force attracting masses according the experts like Newton (I have not met him. He was before my time. Do not make up something else).

An apple dropped from a tree is attracted to the ground and vice versa and contacts the ground and the ground contacts the apple all due to gravity. Even after contact is made the gravity forces are there. They are always in balance even if they vary with the distance between the objects, i.e. apple and ground.

I have never heard of an apple participating in a gravity assisted kick. Pls provide a link that I am wrong.

According to ESA, NASA & Co I am wrong. But they refuse to answer any questions and prove it.