# I won Heiwa's 1,000,000 challenge

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#### Heiwa

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##### Re: I won Heiwa's 1,000,000 challenge
« Reply #10860 on: August 31, 2019, 08:35:24 PM »
Yes, braking in 3D space is just to push the pedal in the middle. Or pull/push/swing the steering wheel/handle while braking. And do not forget to release your parachute for a soft touch down.

I was talking about heat dissipation with heat shielding during re-entry. I don't know why you question this? Out of everything you say is a lie, this is the easiest to prove accurate. We see it's principles proven every day from brakes on ground vehicles to air planes and many other types of machines.
One problem of re-entry after a fake space trip is to find the location where to start braking! You are going at very high speed say >11 000 m/s and if you start 1 second too late you will miss the landing party by 11 000 m.
It is also a question of direction. If direction of landing is vertical and you start at 110 000 m altitude and forget to brake, you will hit ground after 10 seconds.
Space travel is always at high speeds say 30 000 m/s and if you meet an asteroid head on you can turn 180° around it in a few seconds and go 30 000 m/s in the other direction. It is called a gravity assisted kick.  http://heiwaco.com/moontravelc.htm . It was invented by MIT after a Russian spy sold them the secret!

The atmosphere is thinner the higher you go. So just control your angle to keep g forces and heat within manageable levels.

Seems relatively cut and dry
Well, you are moving at high speed say 11 000 m/s starting a re-entry/landing and how do do you control the angle of motion at that speed? How do you know where you are and your destination? And how to control heat while doing all this? There are many problems associated with steering a spacecraft to solve in order to win my Challenge. Dr. Buzz says it is all done by computers, so another question is ... what computer?  What is the pilot supposed to do?

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« Reply #10861 on: August 31, 2019, 09:45:32 PM »
Well, you are moving at high speed say 11 000 m/s starting a re-entry/landing and how do do you control the angle of motion at that speed?
That depends on where you start from and what kind of space craft you're in.  If you're coming from the moon, then you need to make sure that you use your maneuvering thrusters to aim for the very narrow reentry corridor.

How do you know where you are and your destination?
You know where you are by using celestial navigation techniques.  One would hope that you know your destination by carefully planning your trip ahead of time.

And how to control heat while doing all this?
You control the heat by carefully adjusting the angle that you hit the atmosphere.  Too steep and you burn up.  Too shallow and you bounce off the atmosphere.  Just right and you reenter safely.

There are many problems associated with steering a spacecraft to solve in order to win my Challenge. Dr. Buzz says it is all done by computers, so another question is ... what computer?
Most of the planning was done on IBM mainframes, but the spacecraft itself was controlled by the onboard Apollo guidance computer.

What is the pilot supposed to do?
Manual control if something goes wrong with the computer.
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#### Bom Tishop

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##### Re: I won Heiwa's 1,000,000 challenge
« Reply #10862 on: August 31, 2019, 10:23:51 PM »

Well, you are moving at high speed say 11 000 m/s starting a re-entry/landing and how do do you control the angle of motion at that speed? How do you know where you are and your destination? And how to control heat while doing all this? There are many problems associated with steering a spacecraft to solve in order to win my Challenge. Dr. Buzz says it is all done by computers, so another question is ... what computer?  What is the pilot supposed to do?

Well, if it were me using technology that is proven to work here is what I would do.

From lift off I would use ground radar, line of sight and radio... plus the ships radar and radio. Then when I got past mid orbit I would still use ground radio, but also use vector calculations and visual. If I got close to a planetary object I would then use the ships radar.

To return back I would use these same things.

To return into the earths atmosphere and slow down. I would calculation my trajectory at an angle that takes me into the thinner atmosphere first then further down into the thicker atmosphere. As my speed slowed I would drop faster as gravity would begin to win.

To monitor heat, I would use the same metal mounted sensors planes use to monitor temp in wings for possible icing. The tolerances of the fuselage and heat shielding will be known from prior tests.

Oh for controlling angle, your original entry will be based on vector and radar calculations, as at that speed in the atmosphere there isn't much you can do. Once you take down to slower speeds then you have flaps etc such as normal planes.

What does a pilot do? The same the a pilot does on modern air places that are mostly computer aided...there is still plenty.

This is how I would do it with tech that I know works. The funny thing, I seriously question the moon landing and believe it is a higher probability it was faked over true. However, the tech you question is kind silly, as we can see the proof it works here on Earth
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#### rabinoz

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##### Re: I won Heiwa's 1,000,000 challenge
« Reply #10863 on: August 31, 2019, 10:33:20 PM »
Well, you are moving at high speed say 11 000 m/s starting a re-entry/landing and how do do you control the angle of motion at that speed?
By using attitude control thrusters, of course!
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The command module attitude control system consisted of twelve 93-pound-force (410 N) attitude control jets; ten were located in the aft compartment, and two pitch motors in the forward compartment. Four tanks stored 270 pounds (120 kg) of monomethylhydrazine fuel and nitrogen tetroxide oxidizer. They were pressurized by 1.1 pounds (0.50 kg) of helium stored at 4,150 pounds per square inch (28.6 MPa) in two tanks.

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How do you know where you are and your destination?
You write a whole website yet you don't know this sort of stuff! I find it hard to belive anyone could be so ignorant let alone one pretending to be an expert!

Go and chase up
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Ground Tracking of Apollo By FRIEDRICH 0. VONBUN NASA Goddard Space Flight Center
Launch Vehicle and Spacecraft Systems.
Even though Saturn V with the Apollo spacecraft will be capable of flying independently, numerous types of tracking and telemetry systems will be carried on board to track, check, and test all vital systems during fight.

During major phases of the mission, the Unified S-Band System (USBS)-tracking, telemetry, voice and TV transmission and reception combined to simplify the spacecraft electronics-carried aboard the Instrument Unit (IU) , the Command and Service Module (CSM) ,
and the Lunar Excursion Module (LEM) will be used for primary .communications, telemetry, and guidance.

S-IC OOOP Tracking transponder-Range rate only

LEM USBS Tracking (range, range rate)

CSM  USBS Tracking (range, range rate)
NASA Could track the range and rate of change of range very precisely from Earth and could use trajectory prediction programs to show where the spacecraft would be between "fixed".

Take it from me, Heiwa, those NASA scientists, astronomers and engineers were thousands of time smarter that you!

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And how to control heat while doing all this?
Go and study up atmospheric re-entry yourself and stop being such an ignoramus!
Maybe read Returning from Space: Re-entry

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There are many problems associated with steering a spacecraft to solve in order to win my Challenge.
Who cares about your stupid unwinnable challenge? NASA has hundreds far more knowledgeable than you or I solving these problems.

They did it and YOU couldn't do it if you lived to be a thousand years old!
But no one person could because it needs so much detailed knowledge that one person could not possibly do it!

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Dr. Buzz says it is all done by computers, so another question is ... what computer?  What is the pilot supposed to do?
Go chase it up for yourself. It's all very carefully documented and NASA is obliged to release this information.

#### Shifter

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##### Re: I won Heiwa's 1,000,000 challenge
« Reply #10864 on: August 31, 2019, 11:56:23 PM »

And how to control heat while doing all this?
You control the heat by carefully adjusting the angle that you hit the atmosphere.  Too steep and you burn up.  Too shallow and you bounce off the atmosphere.  Just right and you reenter safely.
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Wait.... An aircraft weighing many tonnes just happens to 'bounce' off of thin air? (even thinner being so high up). Now I've heard it all....... ROFL

#### rabinoz

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« Reply #10865 on: September 01, 2019, 01:31:29 AM »

You control the heat by carefully adjusting the angle that you hit the atmosphere.  Too steep and you burn up.  Too shallow and you bounce off the atmosphere.  Just right and you reenter safely.
Wait.... An aircraft weighing many tonnes just happens to 'bounce' off of thin air? (even thinner being so high up). Now I've heard it all.......
You mean your ASI doesn't know simple stuff like this? It's hardly rocket science . . . . Oh wait, I forgot it is Rocket Science!
But surely your ASI hasn't forgotten all that rocket science! Maybe it needs a reboot!

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##### Re: I won Heiwa's 1,000,000 challenge
« Reply #10866 on: September 01, 2019, 01:44:56 AM »

Well, you are moving at high speed say 11 000 m/s starting a re-entry/landing and how do do you control the angle of motion at that speed?

What is an angle of motion?
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#### Shifter

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« Reply #10867 on: September 01, 2019, 02:28:57 AM »

You control the heat by carefully adjusting the angle that you hit the atmosphere.  Too steep and you burn up.  Too shallow and you bounce off the atmosphere.  Just right and you reenter safely.
Wait.... An aircraft weighing many tonnes just happens to 'bounce' off of thin air? (even thinner being so high up). Now I've heard it all.......
You mean your ASI doesn't know simple stuff like this? It's hardly rocket science . . . . Oh wait, I forgot it is Rocket Science!
But surely your ASI hasn't forgotten all that rocket science! Maybe it needs a reboot!

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« Reply #10868 on: September 01, 2019, 04:04:42 AM »

You control the heat by carefully adjusting the angle that you hit the atmosphere.  Too steep and you burn up.  Too shallow and you bounce off the atmosphere.  Just right and you reenter safely.
Wait.... An aircraft weighing many tonnes just happens to 'bounce' off of thin air? (even thinner being so high up). Now I've heard it all.......
You mean your ASI doesn't know simple stuff like this? It's hardly rocket science . . . . Oh wait, I forgot it is Rocket Science!
But surely your ASI hasn't forgotten all that rocket science! Maybe it needs a reboot!

I see you regret your claim that you have ASI.
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#### Shifter

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##### Re: I won Heiwa's 1,000,000 challenge
« Reply #10869 on: September 01, 2019, 04:08:52 AM »

You control the heat by carefully adjusting the angle that you hit the atmosphere.  Too steep and you burn up.  Too shallow and you bounce off the atmosphere.  Just right and you reenter safely.
Wait.... An aircraft weighing many tonnes just happens to 'bounce' off of thin air? (even thinner being so high up). Now I've heard it all.......
You mean your ASI doesn't know simple stuff like this? It's hardly rocket science . . . . Oh wait, I forgot it is Rocket Science!
But surely your ASI hasn't forgotten all that rocket science! Maybe it needs a reboot!

I see you regret your claim that you have ASI.

Why regret a claim of truth? Are you so weak willed that you would? I call out bullshit and believe it or not, you don't need an ASI to do it.  'Bounce' is a stupid term to use in this context.

#### rabinoz

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« Reply #10870 on: September 01, 2019, 05:46:21 AM »
I see you regret your claim that you have ASI.

Why regret a claim of truth? Are you so weak willed that you would? I call out bullshit and believe it or not, you don't need an ASI to do it.

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'Bounce' is a stupid term to use in this context.
Tough! 'Bounce' is the term used though it could just as easily be called a 'skip'.

#### Shifter

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« Reply #10871 on: September 01, 2019, 07:31:41 AM »
I see you regret your claim that you have ASI.

Why regret a claim of truth? Are you so weak willed that you would? I call out bullshit and believe it or not, you don't need an ASI to do it.

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'Bounce' is a stupid term to use in this context.
Tough! 'Bounce' is the term used though it could just as easily be called a 'skip'.

Skipping and bouncing are 2 totally different things. You should go back to school.

#### Heiwa

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« Reply #10872 on: September 01, 2019, 09:31:28 AM »
Hm, Buzz and Neal were the best pilots US ever had and they shot down plenty communists over Korea in the 1950's. It took place at about 200 m/s speed and low altitude, i.e. <5000 m. 20 years later our heroes were piloting a spacecraft coming down from the Moon at 11 000 m/s speed, i.e 55 times faster than they had ever flown before. The were looking for the opening of the entry corridor at 120 000 m altitude to start braking to land 15 minutes later. How they found this opening in the sky at 11 000 m/s speed is magic. That is why nobody wins my Challenge.
Simple fact is that no human being has ever been in space orbiting Earth. NASA has lied about it since 1958! It is not possible for humans to orbit Earth and then land again. Only idiots believe otherwise.
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« Reply #10873 on: September 01, 2019, 12:35:38 PM »
Hm, Buzz and Neal were the best pilots US ever had and they shot down plenty communists over Korea in the 1950's. It took place at about 200 m/s speed and low altitude, i.e. <5000 m. 20 years later our heroes were piloting a spacecraft coming down from the Moon at 11 000 m/s speed, i.e 55 times faster than they had ever flown before. The were looking for the opening of the entry corridor at 120 000 m altitude to start braking to land 15 minutes later. How they found this opening in the sky at 11 000 m/s speed is magic. That is why nobody wins my Challenge.
Simple fact is that no human being has ever been in space orbiting Earth. NASA has lied about it since 1958! It is not possible for humans to orbit Earth and then land again. Only idiots believe otherwise.
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It was easier to produce a movie, than landing on the moon. They are going for the moon again, because old CGI has been debunked, meaning no intelligent being believes it. But new CGI is much better, maybe even in 3D.
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#### Heiwa

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« Reply #10874 on: September 06, 2019, 05:08:25 AM »
In order to win Euro 1 million from me - topic - you really have to study the subject - space travel. I always recommend http://heiwaco.com/moontravelb.htm to start with.
It is not possible for humans to travel in space ... so you will not collect Euro 1 million from me.

#### rabinoz

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« Reply #10875 on: September 06, 2019, 03:53:11 PM »
In order to win Euro 1 million from me - topic - you really have to study the subject - space travel. I always recommend http://heiwaco.com/moontravelb.htm to start with.
It is not possible for humans to travel in space ... so you will not collect Euro 1 million from me.
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« Reply #10876 on: September 06, 2019, 04:33:16 PM »
He's just trying to pad the hit counter on his "popular" web site.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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#### Heiwa

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« Reply #10877 on: September 06, 2019, 07:04:44 PM »
In order to win Euro 1 million from me - topic - you really have to study the subject - space travel. I always recommend http://heiwaco.com/moontravelb.htm to start with.
It is not possible for humans to travel in space ... so you will not collect Euro 1 million from me.
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No, it is not advertising. It is just my incorrectual (!) ideas of the world. Most people have other ideas of course ... I am quite proud of not being correct in their minds.

#### markjo

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« Reply #10878 on: September 06, 2019, 07:37:00 PM »
In order to win Euro 1 million from me - topic - you really have to study the subject - space travel. I always recommend http://heiwaco.com/moontravelb.htm to start with.
It is not possible for humans to travel in space ... so you will not collect Euro 1 million from me.
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No, it is not advertising. It is just my incorrectual (!) ideas of the world. Most people have other ideas of course ... I am quite proud of not being correct in their minds.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

#### Heiwa

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« Reply #10879 on: September 06, 2019, 09:55:22 PM »
In order to win Euro 1 million from me - topic - you really have to study the subject - space travel. I always recommend http://heiwaco.com/moontravelb.htm to start with.
It is not possible for humans to travel in space ... so you will not collect Euro 1 million from me.
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No, it is not advertising. It is just my incorrectual (!) ideas of the world. Most people have other ideas of course ... I am quite proud of not being correct in their minds.
No, on my web site I just make known to people my Challenges and findings. It is called freedom of speech and is still allowed where I live. In many other locations it is not possible - censorship.
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#### rabinoz

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« Reply #10880 on: September 07, 2019, 02:01:51 AM »
No, it is not advertising. It is just my incorrectual (!) ideas of the world. Most people have other ideas of course ... I am quite proud of not being correct in their minds.

#### Bullwinkle

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##### Re: I won Heiwa's 1,000,000 challenge
« Reply #10881 on: September 07, 2019, 03:03:40 AM »
You are all cats chasing Hewia's laser pointer.
RE can never win this argument.
FE can't be disproved.

#### Heiwa

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« Reply #10882 on: September 07, 2019, 06:40:24 AM »
No, it is not advertising. It is just my incorrectual (!) ideas of the world. Most people have other ideas of course ... I am quite proud of not being correct in their minds.

No, I am just incorrectual. Idiots like you just do not understand.

#### markjo

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« Reply #10883 on: September 07, 2019, 12:10:04 PM »
No, I am just incorrectual.

For once, Anders is right about something:
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#### rabinoz

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« Reply #10884 on: September 07, 2019, 06:06:30 PM »
No, it is not advertising. It is just my incorrectual (!) ideas of the world. Most people have other ideas of course ... I am quite proud of not being correct in their minds.

No, I am just incorrectual. Idiots like you just do not understand.
Oh we gathered that you are just being "a person who puts on a superior air while voicing a statement that is utterly false/misguided."

In other words you know your are a BS artist extraordinaire!

#### Heiwa

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« Reply #10885 on: September 07, 2019, 10:29:29 PM »
No, it is not advertising. It is just my incorrectual (!) ideas of the world. Most people have other ideas of course ... I am quite proud of not being correct in their minds.

No, I am just incorrectual. Idiots like you just do not understand.
Oh we gathered that you are just being "a person who puts on a superior air while voicing a statement that is utterly false/misguided."

In other words you know your are a BS artist extraordinaire!
Hm, there are other definitions of incorrectual but one thing is sure - it is not easy to voice politically incorrect opinions about nuclear weapons (they are a hoax), human space travel (no Americans have been in outer space - topic), 911 (no Arabs flying anything) and the M/S Estonia incident (the visor was attached to the ship as it sank). Plenty people get upset about it.
I think it is a scandal that nobody can show how much fuel is needed for a manned return trip to the Moon.
Only idiots travel to the Moon anyway - there is nothing to study on the Moon that cannot be done by a robot (if you can get it there ... which you cannot) - but you should be able to calculate the fuel required.
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#### Shifter

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##### Re: I won Heiwa's 1,000,000 challenge
« Reply #10886 on: September 08, 2019, 03:33:38 PM »
Only idiots travel to the Moon anyway - there is nothing to study on the Moon that cannot be done by a robot (if you can get it there ... which you cannot) - but you should be able to calculate the fuel required.

Robots can't piss and shit on the Moon.

Like the speed of light being impossible for something with a mass to accelerate to, the amount of fuel (conventional chemical fuel) required to get to the moon and back is equally impossible. This is why no calculation has ever been published. How to you reconcile publishing you need an impossibly large fuel requirement to get to the moon and back and then say you've been there and done it many times over

One day we will go there and Americans can realise their dreams of watching their piss fill a crater on the moon. But todays technology (and certainly that of 50 years ago!) is simply not going to get us there.

We have some of the most power telescopes that have amazing resolution and can resolve galaxies from many billions of light years away. Yet we cant even point it at the moon and see all the junk we left behind? Well of course we cant - there isn't any junk to be found!

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« Reply #10887 on: September 08, 2019, 04:21:11 PM »
Only idiots travel to the Moon anyway - there is nothing to study on the Moon that cannot be done by a robot (if you can get it there ... which you cannot) - but you should be able to calculate the fuel required.

Robots can't piss and shit on the Moon.

Like the speed of light being impossible for something with a mass to accelerate to, the amount of fuel (conventional chemical fuel) required to get to the moon and back is equally impossible.
Care to back that up with tour own calculations as to the "conventional chemical fue) required to get to the moon and back"?

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This is why no calculation has ever been published.
Except that it has been and has been calculated by others as well.

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How to you reconcile publishing you need an impossibly large fuel requirement to get to the moon and back and then say you've been there and done it many times over

One day we will go there and Americans can realise their dreams of watching their piss fill a crater on the moon.
Maybe by 2015 if the Chinese of Indians don't get there first!

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But todays technology (and certainly that of 50 years ago!) is simply not going to get us there.
You are joking, I assume?

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We have some of the most power telescopes that have amazing resolution and can resolve galaxies from many billions of light years away. Yet we cant even point it at the moon and see all the junk we left behind? Well of course we cant - there isn't any junk to be found!
Again proving you ignorance about the resolutions of astronomical telescopes!

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« Reply #10888 on: September 08, 2019, 06:26:37 PM »
Like the speed of light being impossible for something with a mass to accelerate to, the amount of fuel (conventional chemical fuel) required to get to the moon and back is equally impossible.
The possibility of getting to the moon and back depends greatly on how much mass you want to return from the moon and which "conventional chemical" fuel(s) you choose.

This is why no calculation has ever been published.
The equation to calculate fuel requirements was published in 1903.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsiolkovsky_rocket_equation

How to you reconcile publishing you need an impossibly large fuel requirement to get to the moon and back and then say you've been there and done it many times over
You're the one saying that the fuel load is impossibly large, not any of the space agencies.

We have some of the most power telescopes that have amazing resolution and can resolve galaxies from many billions of light years away. Yet we cant even point it at the moon and see all the junk we left behind? Well of course we cant - there isn't any junk to be found!
First of all, the only telescopes powerful enough to see the junk on the moon are currently orbiting the moon.  Secondly, there's plenty of junk from previous (and current) one way, unmanned lunar  missions.
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#### rabinoz

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« Reply #10889 on: September 08, 2019, 06:44:14 PM »
Only idiots travel to the Moon anyway - there is nothing to study on the Moon that cannot be done by a robot (if you can get it there ... which you cannot) - but you should be able to calculate the fuel required.

Like the speed of light being impossible for something with a mass to accelerate to, the amount of fuel (conventional chemical fuel) required to get to the moon and back is equally impossible. This is why no calculation has ever been published.
Prove that this is wrong: Apollo 11 delta-v, TWR, fuel use relating to Heiwa's Challenge « on: May 03, 2016, 05:00:11 AM »

This might be of interest: Space Exploration Beta: Maximum speed reachable by Saturn V

Here wade through this report: SATURN V LAUNCH VEHICLE FLIGHT EVALUATION REPORT-AS-506

See if your ASI can make head or tail of that and dumb it down to your level.
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