Gravity. What is it as a force?

Quote from: Orifiel on December 16, 2014, 03:55:43 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 02, 2014, 11:02:39 AM

You need to measure mass. It is on the ground. to measure it, you have to pick it up to use a man made scale to measure that mass.
So tell me what force is on that mass to allow this measurement. There must be a force on it. If it's what I think you're going to say, then explain how and why this happens.

Gravity is a concept of the spatial and temporal distortion of spacetime due to the accumulation of energy at a certain location. The energy repulses, in a sense, the aether, or spacetime, around it and creates a dip that we have created a standard for and are now able to measure. Sure, newtons and weight are made-up figures and values to describe this, but we created a standard to measure from and this makes gravity and weight work.

Easier way to understand this concept for anyone who was confused: Get a big bed sheet and stretch it taut. Then give it just a little bit of slack so it can bend. Drop a ball on it. You will observe that the ball, where it settles, will leave an indentation. This is gravity if the ball were a ball of energy.

It all sounds comfortable. 

So space is a bed sheet with a dent in it that Earth sits in due to it denting it. Any kindergarten kid should understand this, right?

Space is a blanket. It dents, kids. It dents because big ball dent it and fall into it. Space is scattered particles of matter, kids. Just randon particles whizzing about but it's a blanket still and dents. Later we can call this ,warps but dents is enough for now, kids, until you're old enough for the rest of the absolute utter disgraceful bullshit that comes your way about this nonsense.

The blanket example is just a 2D visual representation of gravity, he is trying to explain it to you as if you were 8, and that level of explenation does not include the mathematics involved.

Physics can be quite complicated, so don't expect an all inclusive complete explenation if you can't even appreciate math or understand basic elementary school level physics.

Btw... "grasping" is not the same as "accepting". THe same way we can grasp the concept of a pink unicorn. That doesn't mean we accept that pink unicorns exist.

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 17, 2014, 04:23:22 AM

Quote from: Orifiel on December 16, 2014, 03:55:43 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 02, 2014, 11:02:39 AM

You need to measure mass. It is on the ground. to measure it, you have to pick it up to use a man made scale to measure that mass.
So tell me what force is on that mass to allow this measurement. There must be a force on it. If it's what I think you're going to say, then explain how and why this happens.

Gravity is a concept of the spatial and temporal distortion of spacetime due to the accumulation of energy at a certain location. The energy repulses, in a sense, the aether, or spacetime, around it and creates a dip that we have created a standard for and are now able to measure. Sure, newtons and weight are made-up figures and values to describe this, but we created a standard to measure from and this makes gravity and weight work.

Easier way to understand this concept for anyone who was confused: Get a big bed sheet and stretch it taut. Then give it just a little bit of slack so it can bend. Drop a ball on it. You will observe that the ball, where it settles, will leave an indentation. This is gravity if the ball were a ball of energy.

It all sounds comfortable. 

So space is a bed sheet with a dent in it that Earth sits in due to it denting it. Any kindergarten kid should understand this, right?

Space is a blanket. It dents, kids. It dents because big ball dent it and fall into it. Space is scattered particles of matter, kids. Just randon particles whizzing about but it's a blanket still and dents. Later we can call this ,warps but dents is enough for now, kids, until you're old enough for the rest of the absolute utter disgraceful bullshit that comes your way about this nonsense.

The blanket example is just a 2D visual representation of gravity, he is trying to explain it to you as if you were 8, and that level of explenation does not include the mathematics involved.

Physics can be quite complicated, so don't expect an all inclusive complete explenation if you can't even appreciate math or understand basic elementary school level physics.

Oh, ok, then what is the real explanation if it's not an invisible blanket in a virtual matterless space that somehow warps or bends or dents or whatever.

Physics isn't complicated, only fantasy physics is complicated for good reason. It helps to keep the bullshit up and it keeps people from finding out the truth because they don't know what the hell they are dealing with, except to be told about the magic and accepting it unconditionally like the sheep that they are.

You people display basic elementary school naivety. It's as sad as hell because adults should not display this, only kids should.
No wonder those at the top can feed us with any crap and make us do anything by the stamp of a foot to gain a frenzy.

It's funny and sickening at the same time.

Btw... "grasping" is not the same as "accepting". THe same way we can grasp the concept of a pink unicorn. That doesn't mean we accept that pink unicorns exist.

Why not? you appear to grasp gravity and accept that without knowing it exists. You've never seen it and you think by dropping something it proves it's existence.
Well, if that's the case then you may as well drop something else and proclaim that to be the existence of pink unicorns.

Quote from: Göebbels on December 17, 2014, 08:01:08 AM

Btw... "grasping" is not the same as "accepting". THe same way we can grasp the concept of a pink unicorn. That doesn't mean we accept that pink unicorns exist.

Why not? you appear to grasp gravity and accept that without knowing it exists. You've never seen it and you think by dropping something it proves it's existence.
Well, if that's the case then you may as well drop something else and proclaim that to be the existence of pink unicorns.

Scepti.. I don't think you grasped the analogy. We do can test gravity by letting objects fall. We defined that phenomoenon and called it "gravity". That is, the force that makes objects (masses) fall to the center of the Earth. Why does this happen? We don't clearly know.. yet. What's wrong with not knowing? THe difference is, when you present an alternative, be sure to have the math an experiments to back it up. That's the way science works. It's not subject to opinion once the experiments pour the same results.

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 17, 2014, 08:07:11 AM

Quote from: Göebbels on December 17, 2014, 08:01:08 AM

Btw... "grasping" is not the same as "accepting". THe same way we can grasp the concept of a pink unicorn. That doesn't mean we accept that pink unicorns exist.

Why not? you appear to grasp gravity and accept that without knowing it exists. You've never seen it and you think by dropping something it proves it's existence.
Well, if that's the case then you may as well drop something else and proclaim that to be the existence of pink unicorns.

Scepti.. I don't think you grasped the analogy. We do can test gravity by letting objects fall. We defined that phenomoenon and called it "gravity". That is, the force that makes objects (masses) fall to the center of the Earth. Why does this happen? We don't clearly know.. yet. What's wrong with not knowing? THe difference is, when you present an alternative, be sure to have the math an experiments to back it up. That's the way science works. It's not subject to opinion once the experiments pour the same results.

You have nothing at all to back gravity up. How can you? You said you don't know what it is. You don't know why a ball drops, except to say it falls to the centre of the Earth. An Earth that you only know the crust of that you live on. You don't even know if there is a core like is told. No one has ever seen it or sampled it by drilling.

An equation was made up backed up with nothing. 9.81m/s/s is the free fall that has never been tested.
If it has then tell me...show me?
You discard reality for bullcrap, why?

The reason is simple. It's a weakness of society to follow orders or be ridiculed. You follow the masses.
Sheep is what you are.

You people try to show experiments that supposedly prove this and that and it's clearly pathetic. All you are doing is taking the word of bullshit artists and used their silly calculations as a reality.

Quote from: mikeman7918 on December 17, 2014, 07:45:51 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 17, 2014, 04:23:22 AM

Quote from: Orifiel on December 16, 2014, 03:55:43 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 02, 2014, 11:02:39 AM

You need to measure mass. It is on the ground. to measure it, you have to pick it up to use a man made scale to measure that mass.
So tell me what force is on that mass to allow this measurement. There must be a force on it. If it's what I think you're going to say, then explain how and why this happens.

Gravity is a concept of the spatial and temporal distortion of spacetime due to the accumulation of energy at a certain location. The energy repulses, in a sense, the aether, or spacetime, around it and creates a dip that we have created a standard for and are now able to measure. Sure, newtons and weight are made-up figures and values to describe this, but we created a standard to measure from and this makes gravity and weight work.

Easier way to understand this concept for anyone who was confused: Get a big bed sheet and stretch it taut. Then give it just a little bit of slack so it can bend. Drop a ball on it. You will observe that the ball, where it settles, will leave an indentation. This is gravity if the ball were a ball of energy.

It all sounds comfortable. 

So space is a bed sheet with a dent in it that Earth sits in due to it denting it. Any kindergarten kid should understand this, right?

Space is a blanket. It dents, kids. It dents because big ball dent it and fall into it. Space is scattered particles of matter, kids. Just randon particles whizzing about but it's a blanket still and dents. Later we can call this ,warps but dents is enough for now, kids, until you're old enough for the rest of the absolute utter disgraceful bullshit that comes your way about this nonsense.

The blanket example is just a 2D visual representation of gravity, he is trying to explain it to you as if you were 8, and that level of explenation does not include the mathematics involved.

Physics can be quite complicated, so don't expect an all inclusive complete explenation if you can't even appreciate math or understand basic elementary school level physics.

Oh, ok, then what is the real explanation if it's not an invisible blanket in a virtual matterless space that somehow warps or bends or dents or whatever.

Physics isn't complicated, only fantasy physics is complicated for good reason. It helps to keep the bullshit up and it keeps people from finding out the truth because they don't know what the hell they are dealing with, except to be told about the magic and accepting it unconditionally like the sheep that they are.

You people display basic elementary school naivety. It's as sad as hell because adults should not display this, only kids should.
No wonder those at the top can feed us with any crap and make us do anything by the stamp of a foot to gain a frenzy.

It's funny and sickening at the same time.

There are other forces that are like gravity but at a smaller scale, and one of them is the electromagnetic force that causes you to not fall through the floor and there is also magnetism that cannot be explained.

The blanket analogy for gravity is great when it comes to visualizing gravity fields, but it's really just kind of a 3D graph and it does not actually look like that.  The more complex way of describing gravity is with this equasion:

F=(MmG)/d²

But that still does not tell you why gravity happens, but that's just something that nobody knows.  If most of physics is a conspiracy then why is there no explenation for gravity, you would think that they would make up an explenation if it was all a lie, and if science did have every answer that would actually be more suspicious.

I rest my case. I'm not here to educate you on basic physics.

There are other forces that are like gravity but at a smaller scale, and one of them is the electromagnetic force that causes you to not fall through the floor and there is also magnetism that cannot be explained.

I can explain magnetism. Naturally not to people like you who are stuck in bull crap land.

The blanket analogy for gravity is great when it comes to visualizing gravity fields, but it's really just kind of a 3D graph and it does not actually look like that.  The more complex way of describing gravity is with this equasion:

The blanket analogy is great for fantasy.

F=(MmG)/d²

But that still does not tell you why gravity happens, but that's just something that nobody knows.

Nobody knopws because it does not exist and is used the shroud the real reason which is atmospheric pressure, also known as my theory of denpressure.

  If most of physics is a conspiracy then why is there no explenation for gravity, you would think that they would make up an explenation if it was all a lie, and if science did have every answer that would actually be more suspicious.

The very fact there is no explanation is damning in itself but the beauty is, it also fits perfectly for the bull crap they tell us about suns and planets, etc.
What better than to use a force that isn't a force until it's decided it is a force but then is only a force when it suits but cannot be rationally explained as a force so it's masked in a lot of warpy relativity clap trap and all the rest of the hideous made up so called science theories from the fantasy story writers.

9.81m/s/s is tested and proved in schools everyday.

Quote from: mikeman7918 on December 17, 2014, 09:09:19 AM

There are other forces that are like gravity but at a smaller scale, and one of them is the electromagnetic force that causes you to not fall through the floor and there is also magnetism that cannot be explained.

I can explain magnetism. Naturally not to people like you who are stuck in bull crap land.

Quote from: mikeman7918 on December 17, 2014, 09:09:19 AM

The blanket analogy for gravity is great when it comes to visualizing gravity fields, but it's really just kind of a 3D graph and it does not actually look like that.  The more complex way of describing gravity is with this equasion:

The blanket analogy is great for fantasy.

Quote from: mikeman7918 on December 17, 2014, 09:09:19 AM

F=(MmG)/d²

But that still does not tell you why gravity happens, but that's just something that nobody knows.

Nobody knopws because it does not exist and is used the shroud the real reason which is atmospheric pressure, also known as my theory of denpressure.

Quote from: mikeman7918 on December 17, 2014, 09:09:19 AM

  If most of physics is a conspiracy then why is there no explenation for gravity, you would think that they would make up an explenation if it was all a lie, and if science did have every answer that would actually be more suspicious.

The very fact there is no explanation is damning in itself but the beauty is, it also fits perfectly for the bull crap they tell us about suns and planets, etc.
What better than to use a force that isn't a force until it's decided it is a force but then is only a force when it suits but cannot be rationally explained as a force so it's masked in a lot of warpy relativity clap trap and all the rest of the hideous made up so called science theories from the fantasy story writers.

Magnetism is a result  of atoms with half full electron shells aligning with each other, these atoms are magnetic because of their electrons, which are magnetic because it's just an unexplainable intrinsic property of electrons.

I have noticed that you are very sure about denpressure and you have mentioned experiments that you have done proving it.  Would you be willing to share these experiments with us?

An equation was made up backed up with nothing. 9.81m/s/s is the free fall that has never been tested.
If it has then tell me...show me?
You discard reality for bullcrap, why?

scepti, I have got a question for you. If I drop an object, let's say a bowling ball, from a height of 19.6 meters, how long will it take before it hits the ground?

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 17, 2014, 08:35:43 AM

An equation was made up backed up with nothing. 9.81m/s/s is the free fall that has never been tested.
If it has then tell me...show me?
You discard reality for bullcrap, why?

scepti, I have got a question for you. If I drop an object, let's say a bowling ball, from a height of 19.6 meters, how long will it take before it hits the ground?

  3.3/3.4 seconds I got. I tried it from scaffolding at exactly 19.6 metres.
Apparently it should be 2 seconds shouldn't it?

I done it 10 times and similar results. 3.2 3.3 3.3 3.4 3.3 3.4 3.4 3.4 3.3.

Try it yourself it's easy to do as you know. So what do you think has happened?

Quote from: Cartesian on December 17, 2014, 01:17:12 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 17, 2014, 08:35:43 AM

An equation was made up backed up with nothing. 9.81m/s/s is the free fall that has never been tested.
If it has then tell me...show me?
You discard reality for bullcrap, why?

scepti, I have got a question for you. If I drop an object, let's say a bowling ball, from a height of 19.6 meters, how long will it take before it hits the ground?

  3.3/3.4 seconds I got. I tried it from scaffolding at exactly 19.6 metres.
Apparently it should be 2 seconds shouldn't it?

I done it 10 times and similar results. 3.2 3.3 3.3 3.4 3.3 3.4 3.4 3.4 3.3.

Try it yourself it's easy to do as you know. So what do you think has happened?

Edit: Not worth it.

Quote from: Cartesian on December 17, 2014, 01:17:12 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 17, 2014, 08:35:43 AM

An equation was made up backed up with nothing. 9.81m/s/s is the free fall that has never been tested.
If it has then tell me...show me?
You discard reality for bullcrap, why?

scepti, I have got a question for you. If I drop an object, let's say a bowling ball, from a height of 19.6 meters, how long will it take before it hits the ground?

  3.3/3.4 seconds I got. I tried it from scaffolding at exactly 19.6 metres.
Apparently it should be 2 seconds shouldn't it?

I done it 10 times and similar results. 3.2 3.3 3.3 3.4 3.3 3.4 3.4 3.4 3.3.

Try it yourself it's easy to do as you know. So what do you think has happened?

You either dropped a beach ball that was drastically affected by air resistance or you couldn't keep proper time.

Quote from: Cartesian on December 17, 2014, 01:17:12 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 17, 2014, 08:35:43 AM

An equation was made up backed up with nothing. 9.81m/s/s is the free fall that has never been tested.
If it has then tell me...show me?
You discard reality for bullcrap, why?

scepti, I have got a question for you. If I drop an object, let's say a bowling ball, from a height of 19.6 meters, how long will it take before it hits the ground?

  3.3/3.4 seconds I got. I tried it from scaffolding at exactly 19.6 metres.
Apparently it should be 2 seconds shouldn't it?

I done it 10 times and similar results. 3.2 3.3 3.3 3.4 3.3 3.4 3.4 3.4 3.3.

Try it yourself it's easy to do as you know. So what do you think has happened?

t= sqroot(2h/g)

t = sqroot(2(19.6)/9.8 )

t = sqroot(4)

t = sqroot(4)

t = 2s IN A FRICTIONLESS ENVIRONMENT

Fg = Mu_kg

Find out the kinetic frictional force of the air on this bowling ball and then recalculate

Quote from: Cartesian on December 17, 2014, 01:17:12 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 17, 2014, 08:35:43 AM

An equation was made up backed up with nothing. 9.81m/s/s is the free fall that has never been tested.
If it has then tell me...show me?
You discard reality for bullcrap, why?

scepti, I have got a question for you. If I drop an object, let's say a bowling ball, from a height of 19.6 meters, how long will it take before it hits the ground?

  3.3/3.4 seconds I got. I tried it from scaffolding at exactly 19.6 metres.
Apparently it should be 2 seconds shouldn't it?

I done it 10 times and similar results. 3.2 3.3 3.3 3.4 3.3 3.4 3.4 3.4 3.3.

Try it yourself it's easy to do as you know. So what do you think has happened?

Bloody hell septic looks like you, all by yourself, have slowed gravity down. There must be an award for something as big as that. Maybe you farted and the warm methane got under the ball. Or just maybe you are 1/2 mad and 100% bullshit. I go for the second option myself. If the 1/2 of your brain that is not mad starts talking to the other bit does that make you angry. If so you are a total nutter, and I don't feel sorry for you, only the people around you will suffer. I doubt that many people would willingly spend time with a person who has no logic in their thoughts. Do you understand this or do you need psycho help. 

Remind me to never enter a theme park again cause the equations and accelerations these engineers:

B&M
Intamin
Vekoma
S&S
Gerstlauer
Mack
GCI
Gravity Group
Rocky Mountain Construction

use are “according to sceptimatic” wrong! And his scaffold experiment and delayed reactions is apparently the way stuff works.

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 17, 2014, 04:58:32 PM

Quote from: Cartesian on December 17, 2014, 01:17:12 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 17, 2014, 08:35:43 AM

An equation was made up backed up with nothing. 9.81m/s/s is the free fall that has never been tested.
If it has then tell me...show me?
You discard reality for bullcrap, why?

scepti, I have got a question for you. If I drop an object, let's say a bowling ball, from a height of 19.6 meters, how long will it take before it hits the ground?

  3.3/3.4 seconds I got. I tried it from scaffolding at exactly 19.6 metres.
Apparently it should be 2 seconds shouldn't it?

I done it 10 times and similar results. 3.2 3.3 3.3 3.4 3.3 3.4 3.4 3.4 3.3.

Try it yourself it's easy to do as you know. So what do you think has happened?

Edit: Not worth it.

Well done, at least you know that everyone who's done some basic physics expects the outcome of this very simple exercise to be 2 seconds. If someone, like you for example, finds a different result and publish his result publicly, everyone will come scrutinizing his method. If he can justify his method scientifically and reproduce the same result then some physics laws will have to be rewritten.

That's how science works.

So go on. Publish your result publicly and defend it if you are so confident about it. Don't chicken out now.

I have got this image of septic 19.6 m off the ground trying to get his stop watch to work, shitting bricks trying to look happy. Gives me a grin.

I have got this image of septic 19.6 m off the ground trying to get his stop watch to work, shitting bricks trying to look happy. Gives me a grin.

Keep that picture for now. When he wins his Nobel Prize, you could earn a lot of fortune by selling a picture of the next Newton doing his early work.

Not one of you have done the test, that much is clear.
Why don't some of you go out and try it. Measure the height and drop the object and see if I'm wrong. merely yap yapping about it proves nothing.

Those were the times I got for the 10 drops, so try it instead of just relying on your physics books.
Seriously, try it.

Not one of you have done the test, that much is clear.
Why don't some of you go out and try it. Measure the height and drop the object and see if I'm wrong. merely yap yapping about it proves nothing.

Those were the times I got for the 10 drops, so try it instead of just relying on your physics books.
Seriously, try it.

The thing is, we are not even convinced that you have done it. Why don't you post a video documenting your experiment first?

3.3/3.4 seconds I got. I tried it from scaffolding at exactly 19.6 metres.
Apparently it should be 2 seconds shouldn't it?

Ridiculously, laughably wrong!        It's physically impossible to measure a drop time of 20 metres to a tenth of a second (without expensive high-tech gear).

Try it yourself it's easy to do as you know. So what do you think has happened?

This claim is yet another lie by our resident bullshit artist.  He obviously never did the experiment himself that he suggests we do.  And it's not  "easy" to do.  The guy is nothing but a failed physics tragic.

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 18, 2014, 02:58:46 AM

Not one of you have done the test, that much is clear.
Why don't some of you go out and try it. Measure the height and drop the object and see if I'm wrong. merely yap yapping about it proves nothing.

Those were the times I got for the 10 drops, so try it instead of just relying on your physics books.
Seriously, try it.

The thing is, we are not even convinced that you have done it. Why don't you post a video documenting your experiment first?

I'm well aware you aren't convinced I've done it. It'll never be like that and I'm happy with that as you people are nothing to me.

The thing is though, you can do it yourself but would rather just read your book of lies and take it as truth. I can't help you on that but you can help yourself by trying stuff out.
Whether you believe me or not, I have proved to myself that gravity is bullcrap, seriously bullcrap. So ridiculous that it's almost clever in its con to people who cannot use their logical brrains to see it for what it is.

Quote from: Cartesian on December 18, 2014, 03:10:45 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 18, 2014, 02:58:46 AM

Not one of you have done the test, that much is clear.
Why don't some of you go out and try it. Measure the height and drop the object and see if I'm wrong. merely yap yapping about it proves nothing.

Those were the times I got for the 10 drops, so try it instead of just relying on your physics books.
Seriously, try it.

The thing is, we are not even convinced that you have done it. Why don't you post a video documenting your experiment first?

I'm well aware you aren't convinced I've done it. It'll never be like that and I'm happy with that as you people are nothing to me.

The thing is though, you can do it yourself but would rather just read your book of lies and take it as truth. I can't help you on that but you can help yourself by trying stuff out.
Whether you believe me or not, I have proved to myself that gravity is bullcrap, seriously bullcrap. So ridiculous that it's almost clever in its con to people who cannot use their logical brrains to see it for what it is.

Or, you haven't done it simply because you can't face the truth.

The thing is though, you can do it yourself

No, the thing is the majority of us already did gravitational acceleration tests ourselves.

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Quote from: sceptimatic on December 18, 2014, 03:39:46 AM

The thing is though, you can do it yourself

No, the thing is the majority of us already did gravitational acceleration tests ourselves.

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No wonder you people are easily duped.

Quote from: Moosedrool on December 18, 2014, 03:55:56 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 18, 2014, 03:39:46 AM

The thing is though, you can do it yourself

No, the thing is the majority of us already did gravitational acceleration tests ourselves.

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No wonder you people are easily duped.

No counterargument therefor turns to ad hominem.

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 18, 2014, 03:39:46 AM

Quote from: Cartesian on December 18, 2014, 03:10:45 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 18, 2014, 02:58:46 AM

Not one of you have done the test, that much is clear.
Why don't some of you go out and try it. Measure the height and drop the object and see if I'm wrong. merely yap yapping about it proves nothing.

Those were the times I got for the 10 drops, so try it instead of just relying on your physics books.
Seriously, try it.

The thing is, we are not even convinced that you have done it. Why don't you post a video documenting your experiment first?

I'm well aware you aren't convinced I've done it. It'll never be like that and I'm happy with that as you people are nothing to me.

The thing is though, you can do it yourself but would rather just read your book of lies and take it as truth. I can't help you on that but you can help yourself by trying stuff out.
Whether you believe me or not, I have proved to myself that gravity is bullcrap, seriously bullcrap. So ridiculous that it's almost clever in its con to people who cannot use their logical brrains to see it for what it is.

Or, you haven't done it simply because you can't face the truth.

The physical impossibility of sceptimatic's purported "experiment" proves in and of itself that he never carried it out in reality.

It's just another in his endless streams of self-deluded lies.