What are deep space objects in FET?

I've searched the forums for an explanation for this, but I can't find anything specific, not even on the wiki. So, here is the question:

Last summer I got into astrophotography and started off taking some shots of the Milky Way like these:
http://imgur.com/Snmgdvw,Vaodqq5,WjYkq9n#0
http://imgur.com/Snmgdvw,Vaodqq5,WjYkq9n#1

My area is very heavily light polluted, so they turned out pretty horribly. Nonetheless, I continued, and I took a shot of Andromeda.
http://imgur.com/Snmgdvw,Vaodqq5,WjYkq9n#2
(My photo is on the left. The reason the picture is so horrible is because my lens was fogging up from humidity)

I have seen many explanations for stars and such, like Sceptimatic's star reflections, but I haven't seen explanations for phenomena like nebula and galaxies. Galaxies especially, carry a very common spiral shape. Knowing this, it cannot be that they are random, and they cannot be fabrications of NASA, because as I have just shown, anyone can photograph a galaxy (I just recommend you do it away from the city hehe).

So. How does FET explain complex structures like galaxies, nebulae, rings, trackable orbits of some stars, all of which can be detected with amateur equipment?

EDIT 1:
Sort of answer from Sceptimatic:

Hydrogen/helium (other expanded elements) clouds and reflections. The clouds our eyes see are dense clouds compared.
It's just a light ocean of clouds upon clouds to the dome.

This does not however adequately explain the spiral formation of galaxies, the bright source of light at their center, the observable moons and their orbits of Jupiter and Saturn, the observable rings of Saturn, and, I want to add, globular star clusters.

Thanks very much for your efforts. It is going to be interesting to see what answers the fe'ers are going to come up with....Assuming they have any. Also if they can come up with anything as good as your pictures. I don't think they can ask their old question of "Have you ever done this yourself ?" LOL.

Also if they can come up with anything as good as your pictures. I don't think they can ask their old question of "Have you ever done this yourself ?" LOL.

Andromeda was one pain in the ass. It was a twenty minute exposure made up of 300 stacked 4 second exposures. Every 4 or so shots I had to wipe the lens, and adjust the angle of the camera to track the galaxy. It pays off though, it's incredible looking at the pictures you took knowing that you collected some lucky photons from billions of stars which were travelling for millions and millions of years just to hit my sensor and be recorded; not lost forever.

I too am excited and patiently waiting for the FET response.

I don't where you are located, but I would suggest you visit an astronomical observatory some time that has some sort of late evening or night program for viewing the sky. I think you would find this interesting and broaden your interest in astrophotography.

For example, I once attended a "Star Party" at the Mc Donald Observatory , which is located near the town of Fort Davis, Texas in far West Texas. This is one place where there is very little light pollution. They had some telescopes posted around the area aimed at Saturn and a Nebula....Which I have forgotten the name of which one. LOL. But these were just ordinary telescopes - not too expensive. Although the images you saw were very tiny and just in black and white.....There is a technical reason, I found out - as to why you didn't see those vivid colors, etc....It did show what you are able to see with even the relatively cheap and low powered telescopes.

Of course I have serious doubts that this is something a true flat-earther would ever do . If you visited one of those evil places you might be exposed to some of those evil astronomers and scientists who would try to tell you all about those foolish "Round Earth Theories."

My advice to "flat-earters" : Stay away from the likes of Mc Donald Observatory and all those other sinful places of that nature ! LOL.

Hydrogen/helium (other expanded elements) clouds and reflections. The clouds our eyes see are dense clouds compared.
It's just a light ocean of clouds upon clouds to the dome.

Hydrogen/helium (other expanded elements) clouds and reflections. The clouds our eyes see are dense clouds compared.
It's just a light ocean of clouds upon clouds to the dome.

Wow man, that's just far out.  This acid is strong shit.

Anyway, how does the sun (on it's tower or floor or whatever) shine light all the way through this "ocean of clouds" to the dome and then back again.  More to the point, how does this relfection look like this through a simple telescope:



taken by this evil conspirator (and his dog):

Hydrogen/helium (other expanded elements) clouds and reflections. The clouds our eyes see are dense clouds compared.
It's just a light ocean of clouds upon clouds to the dome.

Why do they form spirals? Why do they form rings around the planets and how do they form visible moons which an amateur can track the circular orbits of?(which once again, we can detect with amateur equipment)

What are globular clusters in FET? Just all of a sudden a bunch of reflections in a circle? They aren't random, so how are they caused?

Oh yeah, and how does Hydrogen and Helium become a light source? A reflection cannot cause that bright galactic core.

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 29, 2014, 05:47:46 AM

Hydrogen/helium (other expanded elements) clouds and reflections. The clouds our eyes see are dense clouds compared.
It's just a light ocean of clouds upon clouds to the dome.

Wow man, that's just far out.  This acid is strong shit.

Anyway, how does the sun (on it's tower or floor or whatever) shine light all the way through this "ocean of clouds" to the dome and then back again.  More to the point, how does this relfection look like this through a simple telescope:



taken by this evil conspirator (and his dog):

You look like me with that bald head. I also have a white dog too, American eskimo.

No reply from Sceptimatic. Looks like he has run out of things to pull out of his ass. Unless, he's thinking of some magical force that could explain all of it as we speak.

No reply from Sceptimatic. Looks like he has run out of things to pull out of his ass. Unless, he's thinking of some magical force that could explain all of it as we speak.

I think he loses track of his own bullshit. 

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 29, 2014, 05:47:46 AM

Hydrogen/helium (other expanded elements) clouds and reflections. The clouds our eyes see are dense clouds compared.
It's just a light ocean of clouds upon clouds to the dome.

Why do they form spirals? Why do they form rings around the planets and how do they form visible moons which an amateur can track the circular orbits of?(which once again, we can detect with amateur equipment)

What are globular clusters in FET? Just all of a sudden a bunch of reflections in a circle? They aren't random, so how are they caused?

Oh yeah, and how does Hydrogen and Helium become a light source? A reflection cannot cause that bright galactic core.

You are simply looking at small lights in the sky. Apart from the close reflections of what you can see on earth, the rest is all lights that you can only see as that. Just reflections.
All the rest of the milkyway bullshit is exactly that but here you all go thinking you can all see it in it's beauty when all it is, is clouds and reflections.

I know, I know, a cheap second hand scratched and steamed up binoculars can show you this and that. Yeah, it's basic kindergarten science, isn't it. 

Sceptimatic, do you realize that you are possibly the only person in the entire world that thinks everything in the sky is reflections and clouds? Not a single one of your flat earth brothers support you on this argument.  Does it not concern you that even they think your ideas are crazy?

By the way, those books you claim to have written -- are they about flat earth theory or other topics?

Sceptimatic, do you realize that you are possibly the only person in the entire world that thinks everything in the sky is reflections and clouds? Not a single one of your flat earth brothers support you on this argument.  Does it not concern you that even they think your ideas are crazy?

Have you been all over the world and asked every person about reflections or are you just going by a few sites on the internet?

Quote from: FlatAllTheWay on November 30, 2014, 06:01:54 AM

Sceptimatic, do you realize that you are possibly the only person in the entire world that thinks everything in the sky is reflections and clouds? Not a single one of your flat earth brothers support you on this argument.  Does it not concern you that even they think your ideas are crazy?

Have you been all over the world and asked every person about reflections or are you just going by a few sites on the internet?

Well I'm going with my personal experience in astronomy to know for a fact every word that comes out of you keyboard is uneducated hey I'm looking for attention drivel. Everything you say goes against everything I and millions have observed.and to make things worse as far as I can tell you yourself have never looked through a telescope. Talk about not a leg to stand on. 

Quote from: Jet Fission on November 29, 2014, 08:38:56 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 29, 2014, 05:47:46 AM

Hydrogen/helium (other expanded elements) clouds and reflections. The clouds our eyes see are dense clouds compared.
It's just a light ocean of clouds upon clouds to the dome.

Why do they form spirals? Why do they form rings around the planets and how do they form visible moons which an amateur can track the circular orbits of?(which once again, we can detect with amateur equipment)

What are globular clusters in FET? Just all of a sudden a bunch of reflections in a circle? They aren't random, so how are they caused?

Oh yeah, and how does Hydrogen and Helium become a light source? A reflection cannot cause that bright galactic core.

You are simply looking at small lights in the sky. Apart from the close reflections of what you can see on earth, the rest is all lights that you can only see as that. Just reflections.
All the rest of the milkyway bullshit is exactly that but here you all go thinking you can all see it in it's beauty when all it is, is clouds and reflections.

I know, I know, a cheap second hand scratched and steamed up binoculars can show you this and that. Yeah, it's basic kindergarten science, isn't it. 

Are you implying here that my photographs are incorrect? Hm, maybe the reason you haven't had much luck stargazing is because you're using binoculars? Seriously, they are not good telescope substitutes.

Maybe I should just ask one thing at a time for you. Why do galaxies, as I have photographed, generally form in a spiral and circular shape?

By the way, there's an entire subreddit of people taking pictures of your reflections every day, I would check it out, it's quite interesting: www.reddit.com/r/astrophotography 

Quote from: FlatAllTheWay on November 30, 2014, 06:01:54 AM

Sceptimatic, do you realize that you are possibly the only person in the entire world that thinks everything in the sky is reflections and clouds? Not a single one of your flat earth brothers support you on this argument.  Does it not concern you that even they think your ideas are crazy?

Have you been all over the world and asked every person about reflections or are you just going by a few sites on the internet?

No, I have not had time to ask the world's 6 billion humans about your theory.  But I have read a lot about astronomy and I have never read anything close to your theory.  Since it's your theory, I think you would be interested in discussing it with like-minded people. Are you aware of any other human beings that agree with your theory about "reflections and clouds"? 

Just reflections.

Of what?

I know, I know, a cheap second hand scratched and steamed up binoculars can show you this and that. Yeah, it's basic kindergarten science, isn't it. 

eh?

Quote from: FlatAllTheWay on November 30, 2014, 06:01:54 AM

Sceptimatic, do you realize that you are possibly the only person in the entire world that thinks everything in the sky is reflections and clouds? Not a single one of your flat earth brothers support you on this argument.  Does it not concern you that even they think your ideas are crazy?

Have you been all over the world and asked every person about reflections or are you just going by a few sites on the internet?

Have you ever been to your ice dome or are you just using your imagination?

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 30, 2014, 08:17:31 AM

Quote from: FlatAllTheWay on November 30, 2014, 06:01:54 AM

Sceptimatic, do you realize that you are possibly the only person in the entire world that thinks everything in the sky is reflections and clouds? Not a single one of your flat earth brothers support you on this argument.  Does it not concern you that even they think your ideas are crazy?

Have you been all over the world and asked every person about reflections or are you just going by a few sites on the internet?

Have you ever been to your ice dome or are you just using your imagination?

I'm using common sense by understanding how the Earth works. Unfortunately it's not within my power to see the dome or fly close to it due to the small problem of death by trying.

What can be seen through those government owned mountain top telescopes, is a different matter, which neither you or any of the globalites on here are privvy to, either, so basically all the evidence you have is write up sci-fi and CGI, plus paintings and hollywood style of the day, films, passed off a reality.

We are all in the same boat as far as physical evidence goes, so it has to come down to basic human common sense and logic by piecing together what is more real and discarding what is blatant fantasy passed off as real.

Quote from: markjo on November 30, 2014, 09:05:16 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 30, 2014, 08:17:31 AM

Quote from: FlatAllTheWay on November 30, 2014, 06:01:54 AM

Sceptimatic, do you realize that you are possibly the only person in the entire world that thinks everything in the sky is reflections and clouds? Not a single one of your flat earth brothers support you on this argument.  Does it not concern you that even they think your ideas are crazy?

Have you been all over the world and asked every person about reflections or are you just going by a few sites on the internet?

Have you ever been to your ice dome or are you just using your imagination?

I'm using common sense by understanding how the Earth works. Unfortunately it's not within my power to see the dome or fly close to it due to the small problem of death by trying.

What can be seen through those government owned mountain top telescopes, is a different matter, which neither you or any of the globalites on here are privvy to, either, so basically all the evidence you have is write up sci-fi and CGI, plus paintings and hollywood style of the day, films, passed off a reality.

We are all in the same boat as far as physical evidence goes, so it has to come down to basic human common sense and logic by piecing together what is more real and discarding what is blatant fantasy passed off as real.

General speaking those mountain top telescopes as you call them are not owned by governments

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 01, 2014, 02:19:15 AM

Quote from: markjo on November 30, 2014, 09:05:16 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 30, 2014, 08:17:31 AM

Quote from: FlatAllTheWay on November 30, 2014, 06:01:54 AM

Sceptimatic, do you realize that you are possibly the only person in the entire world that thinks everything in the sky is reflections and clouds? Not a single one of your flat earth brothers support you on this argument.  Does it not concern you that even they think your ideas are crazy?

Have you been all over the world and asked every person about reflections or are you just going by a few sites on the internet?

Have you ever been to your ice dome or are you just using your imagination?

I'm using common sense by understanding how the Earth works. Unfortunately it's not within my power to see the dome or fly close to it due to the small problem of death by trying.

What can be seen through those government owned mountain top telescopes, is a different matter, which neither you or any of the globalites on here are privvy to, either, so basically all the evidence you have is write up sci-fi and CGI, plus paintings and hollywood style of the day, films, passed off a reality.

We are all in the same boat as far as physical evidence goes, so it has to come down to basic human common sense and logic by piecing together what is more real and discarding what is blatant fantasy passed off as real.

General speaking those mountain top telescopes as you call them are not owned by governments

And how do you know this?...did you read it in a book or did someone tell you?

Because it's a matter of public record. What evidence do you have to say otherwise?

Because it's a matter of public record. What evidence do you have to say otherwise?

No direct evidence, just like you have none. We are simply told that the large telescopes are government owned. Which one's aren't?

Quote from: Pythagoras on December 01, 2014, 02:49:32 AM

Because it's a matter of public record. What evidence do you have to say otherwise?

No direct evidence, just like you have none. We are simply told that the large telescopes are government owned. Which one's aren't?

They are nearly all owned and run by universities and other educational institutions.  Why do you think "the government" would own large observatories?

What difference does it make anyway? They are still full of academics looking at space in them.  Apparently they all all staring a giant ice dome all day long and just making shit up about the solar system and deep space.

All those millions of scientists over all those decades and not a single one has gone: "actually it's bullshit, it's just a fucking great dome out there, and nothing else".  Yeah, right.

Plus the thousands of hugely expensive amateur astronomy set ups which have huge capabilities for deep space observation. Then the hundreds of thousands of more down to earth scale set ups and then the even larger quantity of once a month guys who scan the sky doing lunar observations and observations of planets. All these people are mistaken? Or lying? Baring in mind I'm in one of those fields.

Quote from: markjo on November 30, 2014, 09:05:16 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 30, 2014, 08:17:31 AM

Quote from: FlatAllTheWay on November 30, 2014, 06:01:54 AM

Sceptimatic, do you realize that you are possibly the only person in the entire world that thinks everything in the sky is reflections and clouds? Not a single one of your flat earth brothers support you on this argument.  Does it not concern you that even they think your ideas are crazy?

Have you been all over the world and asked every person about reflections or are you just going by a few sites on the internet?

Have you ever been to your ice dome or are you just using your imagination?

I'm using common sense by understanding how the Earth works. Unfortunately it's not within my power to see the dome or fly close to it due to the small problem of death by trying.

In other words, your ice dome is nothing but a product of your imagination.  Good to know.