Why is the concave earth hypothesis less plausible than the flat earth model?

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vhalborg

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I have just joined this forum, and would really like to be enlightened as to why the concave earth hypothesis is inferior to the flat earth model. Anyone, please?

Thanks in advance. :)

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sceptimatic

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It's not inferior. It's got a lot of similar traits, depending on how certain people see things. There's more than one flat Earth theory, yet this site deals with the main points if you've read through the wiki and library.

The same with a concave Earth, there's more than one thought process. I'm more into it being slightly concave with an ice dome and a centre of Earth sun. In my theory, space does not exist and everything we see is inside of this Earth. We are living iside a cell - a self sustainable cell.

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vhalborg

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Thanks very much for your thoughts on this. Do you have any thoughts on the polar openings ? Do they exist ? If they exist in the concave earth model then they would lead to "the outside". The polar openings are mainly referred to in literature that assume a convex earth where the polar openings connect to the inside of the earth. There is much literature that refer to civilisations living on the inside of this convex earth. Under the concave earth model would these civilisations now be living on "the outside" ??

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sceptimatic

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Thanks very much for your thoughts on this. Do you have any thoughts on the polar openings ? Do they exist ? If they exist in the concave earth model then they would lead to "the outside". The polar openings are mainly referred to in literature that assume a convex earth where the polar openings connect to the inside of the earth. There is much literature that refer to civilisations living on the inside of this convex earth. Under the concave earth model would these civilisations now be living on "the outside" ??
Read this through and see what you think.

http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=59595.msg1527204#msg1527204

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vhalborg

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That is a very long thread you are asking me to read through. It has 96 pages! I have read the first 3 pages and so far have not seen anything relevant to my question. What particular page in that long thread addresses the issue I raised?

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ausGeoff

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Thanks very much for your thoughts on this.

Please don't encourage our resident forum mental midget.  And please don't imply that his responses have any sort of relevance in reality. 

As you'll learn shortly, sceptimatic lives totally within a tiny, tiny fantasy world fabricated inside his own brain (assuming it's functioning at idle speed at least that is), and which has absolutely no bearing on real-world science.  He can't even grasp the very basics of high-school science, but thinks he's a scientist, a world-renowned researcher, an inventor, has a genius IQ, has written numerous books and possesses thirteen academic qualifications. 

He also owns a private jet and a helicopter, and has licenses for both.  He also frequently visits his family in North Korea, where his father is a highly respected scientist (from whom sceptimatic got his genius genes) and comes and goes frequently with the blessing of the Korean government.  Last but not least, he drives a multi-million dollar Bugatti motor vehicle.

So yeah... with all due respect, your thanks are pretty pointless.    ;D

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Yendor

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Thanks very much for your thoughts on this.

Please don't encourage our resident forum mental midget.  And please don't imply that his responses have any sort of relevance in reality. 

As you'll learn shortly, sceptimatic lives totally within a tiny, tiny fantasy world fabricated inside his own brain (assuming it's functioning at idle speed at least that is), and which has absolutely no bearing on real-world science.  He can't even grasp the very basics of high-school science, but thinks he's a scientist, a world-renowned researcher, an inventor, has a genius IQ, has written numerous books and possesses thirteen academic qualifications. 

He also owns a private jet and a helicopter, and has licenses for both.  He also frequently visits his family in North Korea, where his father is a highly respected scientist (from whom sceptimatic got his genius genes) and comes and goes frequently with the blessing of the Korean government.  Last but not least, he drives a multi-million dollar Bugatti motor vehicle.

So yeah... with all due respect, your thanks are pretty pointless.    ;D


Septi,
I just finished reading twenty-two pages of the above thread you mentioned and a lot of other comments you've written before and I must say you have to be the most forgiving and easy going person there is on this site. Some of the nasty things the other side believers say to you are unbelievable. You simply sit there and take it and continue answering their questions the most positive way you can. I have to applaud you. For the life of me I don't see why they get so mad and arrogant when you simply tell them what you believe so passionately in. They can't tell me that they actually believe everything they are told like some 'mind numb robot'. I know I sure don't. If they would simply calm down and open their minds maybe they would learn something or find an answer to a question. Keep up the good work, I love reading your thoughts.


"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."
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Rama Set

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Lye for, do you recommend we take it easy when we are called 'mind-numbed robots'?
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FlatAllTheWay

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Here is all you need to know to completely dismiss Sceptimatic: he claimed on this forum to be the author of several books.  But despite requests by various people, he refuses to tell us the name of any of his books.  In other words, he is obviously lying about being an author.  And if he is lying about this, why should we believe anything else he says?
Sceptimatic is a proven liar - he claims to have authored several books but won't reveal their names.

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Jet Fission

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The insults made by FE'rs unto us are implied. They are not 'forgiving.'

We are shills paid by the government or NASA.
We have blind faith and don't have logical facets
We are indoctrinated
We are gullible
We are 'mind-numbed-robots' as previously said.
And, sceptimatic even thinks we're stupid.

To a flat earth theorist, being a "skeptic" is to have confirmation bias.
Just because I'm a genius doesn't mean I know everything.

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sceptimatic

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Thanks very much for your thoughts on this.

Please don't encourage our resident forum mental midget.  And please don't imply that his responses have any sort of relevance in reality. 

As you'll learn shortly, sceptimatic lives totally within a tiny, tiny fantasy world fabricated inside his own brain (assuming it's functioning at idle speed at least that is), and which has absolutely no bearing on real-world science.  He can't even grasp the very basics of high-school science, but thinks he's a scientist, a world-renowned researcher, an inventor, has a genius IQ, has written numerous books and possesses thirteen academic qualifications. 

He also owns a private jet and a helicopter, and has licenses for both.  He also frequently visits his family in North Korea, where his father is a highly respected scientist (from whom sceptimatic got his genius genes) and comes and goes frequently with the blessing of the Korean government.  Last but not least, he drives a multi-million dollar Bugatti motor vehicle.

So yeah... with all due respect, your thanks are pretty pointless.    ;D


Septi,
I just finished reading twenty-two pages of the above thread you mentioned and a lot of other comments you've written before and I must say you have to be the most forgiving and easy going person there is on this site. Some of the nasty things the other side believers say to you are unbelievable. You simply sit there and take it and continue answering their questions the most positive way you can. I have to applaud you. For the life of me I don't see why they get so mad and arrogant when you simply tell them what you believe so passionately in. They can't tell me that they actually believe everything they are told like some 'mind numb robot'. I know I sure don't. If they would simply calm down and open their minds maybe they would learn something or find an answer to a question. Keep up the good work, I love reading your thoughts.
As you can see. Many global Earther's are armed and ready with the info they have at their finger tips. What mainstream science put on a plate for them.
Their problem is, they know that we know this, yet they still can't understand why we reject a lot of it.
When their attemps to smother us all in total crap and fail at making them look smart, they go into mainstream ridicule mode; parroting what the media call people who question stuff, which are (to name a few) conspiracy theorists (a mild one) conspiracy nut - conspiracy lunatic - uneducated retard - tin foil hat wearing idiot. And so on and so on.

This is when it can become easy to play tit for tat and go into a long drawn out topic that consists of this type of junk.
I prefer to use as few words as possible for those people and once I use them, I tend to dismiss any onslaught which is always coming my way. This frustrates the hell out of them, because their arguments become weaker and weaker with every attempted put down.

That's why I put a few to sleep every now and again, so that I can concentrate on those that actually look like they want to learn a different take on things, even if they spend a lot of time disagreeing. I don't mind that as long as it's kept to minor digs, which is acceptable.

Some can't seem to grasp this - and some deliberately go on the ridicule attack because that's what their goal is. Their goal is to make anyone looking in or anyone contributing, follow the same tune they are playing, and it works to a point until the weakest of the bunch just realise that people like me are made of diamond that they try to grind down using nothing more than hot air abrasives. It simply shines me up.  ;D

If I was the retard they make me out to be, then it stands to reason that no self respecting so called scientist is going to expend more than 5 minutes with me, yet what do we see?

They come back, time and time again because they know a lot of this stuff makes sense and they want to suppress it all.
In all fairness; most are simply followers of the mass opinion of the mainstream science world and mainly study on the go, as topics arise.

Others are quite intelligent and can see that there is something in what is being said by most free thinkers.
Some do seem decent people and they try to destroy theories just the same as we try to destroy theirs. This is debate and acceptable to us all I would imagine.

Then you have the terminators. These people will not stop until they rid sites like these and stop people thinking for themselves. They will use every trick in the book to play the game. Forum sliding of topics too close to the bone. Derailment  and as much ridicule as they can muster, constantly reminding all posters that a prolific poster with a buzzing mind is a lunatic, not fit to be a parent and is wasting precious oxygen. They will then twist any story so that story looks to make out a person has lied or is simply batshit crazy.

They will gain a little following of people who will parrot what they do. These people are armed to the teeth with all the so called scientific facts and not just book ready or internet ready, but ready as part and parcel of years of experience on forums with a memory system borne from repeated regurgitation of the same so called facts.

They're not hard to miss, are they?  ;D

You normally find that these people will play with the good cop, bad cop alias names if they feel one name isn't getting the required results. You see - this way, they can bring you into a conversation as the listener and make you spill your guts and make you feel you are finally getting someone to grasp stuff. This is when the hammer blow comes in and they then tell you that you are an imbecile and what you wrote was retarded.

It's enough to put off the weaker people. Unfortunately for them, I play them at their own game and that's when you find their frustration boils over into using foul language. It's all they have left.

The schoolers are getting schooled when they play against people like me. :)

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vhalborg

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One of the most important arguments in support of the concave earth hypothesis is the experiment carried out by Cyrus Teed and Ulysses Grant Morrow in measuring the earth's curvature described in Cyrus Teed's Cellular Cosmogony. So, any debate about flat earth models versus concave earth models would have to address the validity of this experiment. Does proponents of flat earth models  reject the findings of this experiment. If so, on what grounds ?

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inquisitive

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One of the most important arguments in support of the concave earth hypothesis is the experiment carried out by Cyrus Teed and Ulysses Grant Morrow in measuring the earth's curvature described in Cyrus Teed's Cellular Cosmogony. So, any debate about flat earth models versus concave earth models would have to address the validity of this experiment. Does proponents of flat earth models  reject the findings of this experiment. If so, on what grounds ?
Link please.


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ausGeoff

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Keep up the good work, I love reading your thoughts.
it's early days yet for you my friend.  It's obviously your prerogative to "enjoy" your reading of sceptimatic's posts, but you'll soon learn that all his purported "thoughts" are nothing but piss and wind, with the scientific veracity of a MARVEL comic book.

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Note to vhalborg

Although this is officially The Flat Earth Society Forum Website , if you are a new comer you will have to realize that there are interlopers which the so-called "Flat Earthers" call "Round Earthers".

We are not paid "Round Earth Conspiracy Shills" but just ordinary lay people, and some experts who regard the "Flat Earth" as pure fantasy with nothing but their imagination about a "Flat Earth" . Unfortunately sceptimatic happens to be the worst of the lot.

If you get down to reality...Which is a word that is not in the "Flat Earth" vocabulary, there is absolutely no plausible hypothesis  in both the case of a concave or flat earth. The true shape and size of the earth has long been established...And it is definitely not concave or flat .

Technically speaking the earth is an "Oblate Spheroid" which means the circumference at the equator is very slightly longer than the circumference from pole to pole.

But please don't let that put you off. You will find the debates entertaining and there will be a lot of facts about many subjects presented by some "Round Earth" experts. Do join in. Cheers !
I am just a lay person with some technical background but there are several very knowledgeable "RoundEarthers"who contribute to the website. I have learned or had my memory refreshed in a lot of their posts.
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vhalborg

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Note to vhalborg

Although this is officially The Flat Earth Society Forum Website , if you are a new comer you will have to realize that there are interlopers which the so-called "Flat Earthers" call "Round Earthers".

We are not paid "Round Earth Conspiracy Shills" but just ordinary lay people, and some experts who regard the "Flat Earth" as pure fantasy with nothing but their imagination about a "Flat Earth" . Unfortunately sceptimatic happens to be the worst of the lot.

If you get down to reality...Which is a word that is not in the "Flat Earth" vocabulary, there is absolutely no plausible hypothesis  in both the case of a concave or flat earth. The true shape and size of the earth has long been established...And it is definitely not concave or flat .

Technically speaking the earth is an "Oblate Spheroid" which means the circumference at the equator is very slightly longer than the circumference from pole to pole.

But please don't let that put you off. You will find the debates entertaining and there will be a lot of facts about many subjects presented by some "Round Earth" experts. Do join in. Cheers !
I am just a lay person with some technical background but there are several very knowledgeable "RoundEarthers"who contribute to the website. I have learned or had my memory refreshed in a lot of their posts.
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Note to vhalborg

Although this is officially The Flat Earth Society Forum Website , if you are a new comer you will have to realize that there are interlopers which the so-called "Flat Earthers" call "Round Earthers".

We are not paid "Round Earth Conspiracy Shills" but just ordinary lay people, and some experts who regard the "Flat Earth" as pure fantasy with nothing but their imagination about a "Flat Earth" . Unfortunately sceptimatic happens to be the worst of the lot.

If you get down to reality...Which is a word that is not in the "Flat Earth" vocabulary, there is absolutely no plausible hypothesis  in both the case of a concave or flat earth. The true shape and size of the earth has long been established...And it is definitely not concave or flat .

Technically speaking the earth is an "Oblate Spheroid" which means the circumference at the equator is very slightly longer than the circumference from pole to pole.

But please don't let that put you off. You will find the debates entertaining and there will be a lot of facts about many subjects presented by some "Round Earth" experts. Do join in. Cheers !
I am just a lay person with some technical background but there are several very knowledgeable "RoundEarthers"who contribute to the website. I have learned or had my memory refreshed in a lot of their posts.

OK. But your comment is actually not addressing the issue I raised: Are the findings of the experiment conducted by Cyrus Teed and Ulysses Grant Morrow as described in Cyrus Teed's Cellular Cosmogony and also referred to in the other links I provided valid ? If not, on what basis are the findings rejected ?

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ausGeoff

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Are the findings of the experiment conducted by Cyrus Teed and Ulysses Grant Morrow as described in Cyrus Teed's Cellular Cosmogony and also referred to in the other links I provided valid? If not, on what basis are the findings rejected ?

Nope, their findings were never validated.  They were rejected on the basis that both experiments were carried out unscientifically, and never replicated using 21st-century scientific instruments.  Plus, most tellingly, neither Teed nor Morrow was a surveyor, engineer, or geophysicist.



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sceptimatic

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The insults made by FE'rs unto us are implied. They are not 'forgiving.'

We are shills paid by the government or NASA.
We have blind faith and don't have logical facets
We are indoctrinated
We are gullible
We are 'mind-numbed-robots' as previously said.
And, sceptimatic even thinks we're stupid.
I said naive and gullible, not stupid.

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Rama Set

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The insults made by FE'rs unto us are implied. They are not 'forgiving.'

We are shills paid by the government or NASA.
We have blind faith and don't have logical facets
We are indoctrinated
We are gullible
We are 'mind-numbed-robots' as previously said.
And, sceptimatic even thinks we're stupid.
I said naive and gullible, not stupid.

Well calling people idiots is tantamount to calling people stupid so without further ado, another scepti lie:

I try and keep it normal in the upper forums amid all you idiots trying your best to do the opposite.
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JimmyTheCrab

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The earth is concave? 

I always wondered why there was no horizon or sunsets.

Or why ships lift off into the sky as they sail away.

Or why I could look straight up with my telescope and make out Australia (I guess that's how American's spy on China, and vice versa).

I guess this answers all my questions.
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vhalborg

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OK. ausGeoff's comment addressed the issue that I raised, so I guess that closes the case, unless there are others who want to contribute to this thread.

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Sculelos

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Earth has been measured to have an upward curvature. Indeed the sky is inside the Earth and the Earth wraps around the sky. It's not even a hypothesis anymore as it has been measured and proven. The Earth is also only 5,803 years old. The Earth is stationary and does not rotate. The heavens rotate inside the Earth.

There is a horizon because light travels parallel with Earth which means it technically doesn't curve up nor down (elevation wise) but always remains the same height, this is why the horizon is always eye level with your eyes if you are level with the Earth. Up and Down are elevation shifts so you cannot say light curves up  or down.

No matter if Earth is convex, flat or concave light always travels parallel with the Earth. Optically though if you get a telescope you can see much further then you should because Earth should be obstructing your view past certain distances but we can see much farther and much lower then we should be able to see if light doesn't travel parallel with Earth.

The main reason that I know for sure that the Earth is concave is that I measured it using several different methods and each of them reported back consistently that Earth was concave. Yea true that nobody understands my test nor why they work because a reprobate mind cannot understand logic, but it's so easy to find this out yourself. All you need is a couple vertically and horizontally adjustable L-braces and a lot of flat land and a leveling device, level the brace and then keep swinging them back and forth making sure they stay parallel with each other. Over time the braces will get lower and lower because your angle dips in relation to Earth. This itself proves concavity.

People are entitled to their own opinions but not their own facts. Fact is that Earth is concave, period. However there is a extremely strong delusion among mankind that Earth is a ball rotating and orbiting around the Sun. This simply isn't true, sorry you have been lied to. I could simply show you experiment after experiment to make you understand this fact but the fact is that very few people will believe that so many seemingly intelligent humans could be fooled by assuming that we lived on the outside of Earth. Wrong, we live on the inside of Earth. It seems so stupid for me to say that but you just don't know what size dynamics are. 6 light days fits inside of a 6 light day wide Earth because of size compression. 25,000 miles around would normally be a diameter of about 8,000 miles but there is compression going on. In fact very strong compression. Earth is about 25,000 miles around and about 100 billion miles wide.

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rottingroom

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Light travels parallel with the earth? A billion miles wide? ???

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My head is well rounded thank you. Did you look up the London bombing to see if it really happened?
Nope. I was thinking about your well rounded head and thinking of different hats that might fit onto it.
I am not interested in playing your childish games. This site is about a the Flat Earth and is mostly theory. If you wan to debate then to so properly. If it is all about you wanting to be in control of others well people see through that. If you want to debate then debate equally with others.
You spent most of your time playing childish games. It's strange how you don;t want to play them in AR. Is it because you realise I can play you at your own game without getting banned.
Just remember, starman. There's not only you lot that want me banned from here, most of the flat Earther believers do as well.  ;D
They are just waiting for me to sling in a few swear words in the upper forums so they can get rid of me. If I have to get banned, I'm not letting a little shit house like you take credit for it.
When I get banned, I want none of you globulites to get any credit for making the mods/admin pull the trigger.
All you have to do is NOT call people names or demean them. If you do that your will NEVER be banned. I really don't care about banning. I am interest in debating issues. Isn't what this site is all about? If you chose to dismiss all photos or videos are fake then you get what you get. You can't always have it your way. Now did you look up the bombing?
I try and keep it normal in the upper forums amid all you idiots trying your best to do the opposite. That's why I brought you here so I can be childish like you lot and call you an idiot and stuff like that. Just being kid like.
I've had Geoffrey crying and you stuttering and stuff.
Of course, this site is about debating and stuff and I'm willing to do that. What I'm not willing to do, is allow cry babies like you to coax me into topics that are designed to become emotional. This is the reason you won't be getting any answers to the question if you refuse to show me what I'm supposed to be answering against, as in pictures that you believe are legit, for me to look at and decide for myself.
I am the worst moderator ever.

Sometimes I wonder: "Why am  I on this site?"
Then I look at threads about clouds not existing and I go back to posting and lurking. Lurk moar.

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Sculelos

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Light travels parallel with the earth? A billion miles wide? ???

Yeah compression. Light goes slower in deeper space so it takes longer and you get smaller so it goes on for about 100 billion miles (remember miles are defined by light and space is defined by light too) until you get to the double sided pyramid in the center of heaven.

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ausGeoff

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Earth has been measured to have an upward curvature.

Citation please.

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rottingroom

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Sculelos just spouts off things that aren't true as if they are given.

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JimmyTheCrab

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Yeah compression. Light goes slower in deeper space so it takes longer and you get smaller so it goes on for about 100 billion miles (remember miles are defined by light and space is defined by light too) until you get to the double sided pyramid in the center of heaven.
Of course.
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