GLOBAL CONSPIRACY

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GLOBAL CONSPIRACY
« on: November 21, 2014, 01:21:42 AM »
1. The 1959. Centennial Celebration in Chicago was Darwinism's finest hour. One of the most honored speakers on this occasion was Sir Julian Huxley, grandson of Darwin's "bulldog" T.H. Huxley.[/b] Julian Huxley's speech was a glittering oration on the majestic grandeur of Darwin's achievement, coupled with a vision of its totalizing implications for the future. Here is excerpt from his speech:

Future historians will perhaps take this Centennial Week as epitomizing an important critical period in the history of this earth of ours - the period when the process of evolution, in the person of inquiring man, began to be truly conscious of itself. This is one of the first public occasions on which it has been frankly faced that all aspects of reality are subject to evolution, from atoms and stars to fish and flowers, from fish and flowers to human societies and values - indeed, that all reality is a single process of evolution. . . .
In the evolutionary pattern of thought there is no longer either need or room for the supernatural. The earth was not
created, it evolved.
So did all the animals and plants that inhabit it, including our human selves, mind and soul as well as brain and body. So did religion. . . .Finally, the evolutionary vision is enabling us to discern, however incompletely, the lineaments of the new religion that we can be sure will arise to serve the needs of the coming era.
Read more: http://www.energeticforum.com/254728-post33.html

2. The obvious fudging of the data by Eddington and others is a blatant subversion of scientific process and may have misdirected scientific research for the better part of a century. It probably surpasses the Piltdown Man as the greatest hoax of 20th-century science. The BIPP asked, "Was this the hoax of the century?" and exclaimed, "Royal Society 1919 Eclipse Relativity Report Duped World for 80 Years!" McCausland stated that "In the author's opinion, the confident announcement of the decisive confirmation of Einstein's general theory in November 1919 was not a triumph of science, as it is often portrayed, but one of the most unfortunate incidents in the history of 20th-century science". Read more: http://www.energeticforum.com/255678-post304.html

It cannot be emphasised enough that the Eclipse of 1919 made Einstein, Einstein.
It propelled him to international fame overnight, despite the fact that the data were fabricated and there was no support for general relativity whatsoever. This perversion of history has been known about for over 80 years and is still supported by people like Stephen Hawking and David Levy.

3. Gravitational lensing is another of these shallow caves. Although lensing has been around as a theory since Chwolson’s mention of it in 1924, it wasn’t “confirmed” until 1979, with the so-called Twin Quasar Q0957+561. The Twin Quasar has many problems as the proposed effect of a gravitational lens, beginning with the fact that no one knows what a quasar is. This “quasar” has a redshift of 1.41, which, following standard procedure, would put it at about 8.7 billion lightyears. But that is assuming this quasar has no velocity relative to universal expansion, which is a very big assumption. This means that the real distance of the lensed object is unknown.

The lensing galaxy has the same problem. It is said to be about 3.7 billion lightyears away, but that distance is just as theoretical. We don’t know the local velocity of the galaxy. But even if we did, our ability to measure at that distance is poor. Our ability to measure within our own galaxy is poor, as astronomers were forced to admit in 2006. when mainstream news sources dropped the bomb that we were off at least 15% in ALL distance measurements. If we were 15% wrong about nearby objects--objects about which we know much more--then these distance estimates at billions of lightyears must be taken with a grain of salt. Read more: http://www.energeticforum.com/253864-post240.html

4. Virtually no one begins with the conspiracy and develops a belief in the FET. A zetetic starts with the knowledge that the earth is flat, as they believe that all the evidence they are personally able to collect and verify confirms this. As a consequence they assume the evidence to the contrary, much of which they are unable to personally test/verify as being false. The existence of such a huge quantity of false information indicates the existence of the conspiracy.

Essentially the reasoning boils down to:

P1) If personally unverifiable evidence contradicts an
obvious truth then the evidence is fabricated

P2) The Flat Earth is an obvious truth

P3) There is personally unverifiable evidence that
contradicts the FET

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C1) The unverifiable evidence that contradicts the FET
is fabricated evidence

P4) If there is large amounts of fabricated evidence then
there must be a conspiracy to fabricate it

P5) There is a large amount of fabricated evidence (see C1)

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C2) There must be a conspiracy to fabricate it.

There is a Space Travel Conspiracy.
The purpose of NASA is to fake the concept of space travel to further America's militaristic dominance of space. That was the purpose of NASA's creation from the very start: To put ICBMs and other weapons into space (or at least appear to). The motto "Scientific exploration of new frontiers for all mankind" was nothing more than a front.

See this quote from president Lyndon Johnson:

"Control of space means control of the world. From space, the masters of infinity would have the power to control the earth's weather, to cause drought and flood, to change the tides and raise the levels of the sea, to divert the gulf stream and change temperate climates to frigid. There is something more important than the ultimate weapon. And that's the ultimate position. The position of total control over the Earth that lies somewhere in outer space."

-President Lyndon Johnson, Statement on Status of Nation's Defense and Race for Space, January 7, 1958

One month later, Lyndon Johnson and the Senate Special Committee on Space and Astronautics drafted a resolution to change the name of the US Army's Ballistic Missile Arsenal to the National Aeronautics and Space Administration - NASA.

5. The Soviet Union did not have a spare capsule at that time and in Moscow it was decided to orchestrate a huge bluff, a cosmic lie.

Radio Moscow claimed that a Soviet cosmonaut, Yuri Gagarin, had been sent up into space on the morning of 12 April, 1961 with the space-rocket Vostok. According to the official announcement, he had already landed and was in fine health. The whole world believed this except for the Western intelligence services. They had not managed to register any radio communication between Gagarin and the space centre.

This hoax was sloppily orchestrated. (They should have asked NASA how to do it...) Polish newspapers announced already on the morning of 12 April that a Soviet cosmonaut had been in space. Newspapers in other countries did not report Gagarin's flight until 13 April.

In a book written for the West, Soviet propagandists claimed that simple peasants recognized Yuri Gagarin soon after he landed in a field and enthusiastically shouted: "Gagarin, Gagarin!" But nothing about his "space journey" had been reported at that time, no pictures of him had been published and his name had not been mentioned. The message from radio and TV was sent out 35 minutes after the alleged journey. Were the peasants psychic?

The newspaper Sovetskaya Rossiya claimed that Gagarin was wearing a blue flightsuit when he landed. In his memoirs, Gagarin himself claimed he was dressed in an orange flightsuit.

At his press conference, Gagarin read from notes when he "related" his journey. During the press conference, he made several crucial mistakes. Gagarin stated that weightlessness was no problem. Everything seemed just normal. We now know that this is not the case. The cosmonaut German Titov, for example, had difficulties with his balance and had heart problems.

Gagarin then made his most serious mistake, despite the fact that he was constantly assisted by experts, who often spoke about discoveries in space. He said: "Then I saw South America".

This is impossible. At that time it was night in South America, which meant that it could not be seen at all. According to the official reports, Gagarin began his "space journey" at 9:07 Moscow time. He was supposed to have flown over South America at 9:22 Moscow time. In Chile, the time would have been 2:22, in Brazil 3:22. He could never have reached South America in 15 minutes.

Foreign journalists wondered: "When will the photographs that Gagarin took in space be published?" Gagarin was silent, thought for a moment and answered: "I didn't have a camera with me!"

6. Ignorant folk think that such minority opinions as Flat Earth Theory are the "conspiracy theories" . . . There is a real conspiracy for sure but the sad thing is it is mostly a "conspiracy of willful and apathetic ignorance" (for numerous reasons). The very people who would call Flat Earthers "quack conspiracy theorists" are either themselves completely ignorant of even modern cosmological axioms and principles of gravitation and mechanics or they are just "playing stupid", hoping that no one will notice or call their bluff.

Most of those who pretend to be intelligent and/or knowledgeable about physics are just plain stupid, and a few are just ignorant but once you show them, if they are honest and will continue the dialogue, they say something to the effect of, "Wow! I even got a PhD in physics X number of years ago and even taught it for X number of years... I did not think about it that way... but you can't ignore those facts". You can go to any mental hospital and the population of wackos and inmates will outnumber the doctors and the sane folk, and moreover call them crazies.

What’s even more hilarious is the fact that even folk like Steven Hawking and a few intellectually honest physicists and cosmologists who would read what we are saying and are capable of understanding it, know that what we have been saying is absolutely true ( it is a philosophical not a logic and observational choice). Not only do they admit that but even "snicker" about it to each other...LOL... but they won't dare to address that too openly with the dumb, ignorant masses... best not to confuse the common folk with unnecessary information and facts.

Even more sad are all the others like out there who don’t have a clue what I’m saying here and shake their heads thinking they know something about physics that tells them that the Earth moves. If only they studied the text books and peer reviewed papers a little closer, they would realize just how absolutely ignorant with a capital "I" that argument really is.

7. "I don’t argue or enter into debates, because the issue here is exactly what you would bring to the debate, which is the wealth of erroneous information that allowed our situation to become as dire as it is in the first place. Your argument would consist of phony statistics, historical fables, the newspaper’s latest lies, and profit-driven 'science.' My argument is simple. Discover who controls everything you’ve been told, only believe what you can verify for yourself through original documentation, science and logic, and then look for a political connection between the sources of all the erroneous information. Find the motives behind the lies. If you did that, there would be no debate, and we would all agree on whose head should roll, as the saying goes." - Jolly Roger

8. We have been taught that the height of stupidity and naivety was when our ignorant ancestors believed the Earth to be flat, and that if any man somehow still thinks the Earth to be the immovable center of the universe, that they must be the most primitive kind of ignoramus.   Nowadays the label “Flat-Earther” has become literally synonymous with “moron” and is a common cliché derogatory term for insulting someone’s intelligence.  Upon seeing a book titled “The Flat Earth Conspiracy” your ingrained instinct is likely to laugh, mock the messenger, and deny the very possibility.  The fact of the matter is however, that everything is actually just as it appears.  The Earth is flat and motionless just as it seems, the Sun/Moon are the same size, and all the celestial bodies revolve around us. This stable geocentric universe, proven true by experience and experiments, which reigned undisputed for thousands of years adequately explaining all Earthly and celestial phenomena, was violently uprooted, spun around, and sent flying through infinite space by a cabal of Sun-worshipping theoretical astronomers.   Early Masonic magicians like Copernicus, Kepler, Galileo, and Newton, along with their modern Masonic astro-not counter-parts like Armstrong, Aldrin, and Collins, hand-in-hand with NASA and world Freemasonry have pulled off the greatest hoax, propagated the most phenomenal lie, and perpetuated the most complete indoctrination in history.
Over the course of 500 years, using everything from books, magazines, and television to computer-generated imaging, a multi-generational conspiracy has succeeded, in the minds of the masses, to pick up the fixed Earth, shape it into a ball, spin it in circles, and throw it around the Sun!  In schools where every professor’s desk is adorned with a spinning Earth-globe, we are lectured on the “heliocentric” theory of the universe, shown images of ball-planets and videos of men suspended in space.  The illusion created, connivingly convincing, has entranced the world’s population into blindly believing a maleficent myth.  The greatest cover-up of all time, NASA and Freemasonry’s biggest secret, is that we are living on a plane, not a planet, that Earth is the flat, stationary center of the universe.

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« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2014, 02:04:23 AM »
How are we meant to respond to this rant?

I'll take one bit:

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It cannot be emphasised enough that the Eclipse of 1919 made Einstein, Einstein.
Eh?  Who was he before?

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This perversion of history has been known about for over 80 years and is still supported by people like Stephen Hawking and David Levy.
When you say "people like Stephen Hawking and David Levy", I presume you mean "scientists and engineers"?
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« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2014, 03:04:21 AM »
The greatest cover-up of all time, NASA and Freemasonry’s biggest secret, is that we are living on a plane, not a planet, that Earth is the flat, stationary center of the universe.

FUCK OFF NASA : " class="bbc_link" target="_blank">

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Yes, it is really surprising that 99.9% of the people never question what they have been told but cannot personally verify. I understand that sometimes there is no point to check everything, but how can you argue ardently against those who question it without actually having verified it yourself? As far as I know the Earth might be even 10 times bigger than what we have been told. However, everyone takes it for granted that the real size and shape of the Earth are well-known.

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Re: GLOBAL CONSPIRACY
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2014, 03:10:15 AM »
Excellent read, cikljamas. It certainly shows it all up for what it was and still is today.

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« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2014, 03:13:47 AM »
Excellent read, cikljamas.
Which  bit did you like best?
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Re: GLOBAL CONSPIRACY
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2014, 03:28:12 AM »
Most of the rant was fine, however evolution is quite clearly a lie and the earth was clearly created. Other than that , good job.

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« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2014, 04:44:07 AM »
It cannot be emphasised enough that the Eclipse of 1919 made Einstein, Einstein. It propelled him to international fame overnight, despite the fact that the data were fabricated and there was no support for general relativity whatsoever. This perversion of history has been known about for over 80 years and is still supported by people like Stephen Hawking and David Levy.

It was a pretty monumental prediction. What is your point? It was only the beginning of the evidence that supports GR. Much more has come since. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tests_of_general_relativity

3. Gravitational lensing is another of these shallow caves. Although lensing has been around as a theory since Chwolson’s mention of it in 1924, it wasn’t “confirmed” until 1979, with the so-called Twin Quasar Q0957+561. The Twin Quasar has many problems as the proposed effect of a gravitational lens, beginning with the fact that no one knows what a quasar is. This “quasar” has a redshift of 1.41, which, following standard procedure, would put it at about 8.7 billion lightyears. But that is assuming this quasar has no velocity relative to universal expansion, which is a very big assumption. This means that the real distance of the lensed object is unknown.

Gravitational lensing is not touted as a great method for determining the distance to a star. 

The lensing galaxy has the same problem. It is said to be about 3.7 billion lightyears away, but that distance is just as theoretical. We don’t know the local velocity of the galaxy. But even if we did, our ability to measure at that distance is poor. Our ability to measure within our own galaxy is poor, as astronomers were forced to admit in 2006. when mainstream news sources dropped the bomb that we were off at least 15% in ALL distance measurements. If we were 15% wrong about nearby objects--objects about which we know much more--then these distance estimates at billions of lightyears must be taken with a grain of salt. Read more: http://www.energeticforum.com/253864-post240.html

So the fact that science can and will change theories when new information is presented makes you suspicious? Shouldn't it do the opposite?

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« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2014, 09:25:19 AM »
Excellent read, cikljamas. It certainly shows it all up for what it was and still is today.

Interesting (well, not really LOL) that sceptimatic is invariably attracted to any of the true  whack-jobs on this site.    ;D

As they say; like moths to the flame.

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Re: GLOBAL CONSPIRACY
« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2014, 09:25:49 AM »
@ Saros, Sceptimatic, 2929292, thanks for your replies and nice words!

Guys, would you agree with me on this:

1. The distance from the North Pole to the Equator is roughly 6000 miles, it means that the circumference of the Equator is roughly 37.500 miles (60 000 km)!

Now, if you decided to claim (and tried to persuade others) that the Earth is round, what would be your only possible choice, what would you do with above truth (37,500 miles)?

Your only possible choice would be to claim that the circumference of the Equator is 25 000 miles (40 000 km), there would be no other way for you...

So you (REs) did just that!

2. The easiest way and the simplest experiment that every one of you can do in order to prove to yourself that the Earth is Flat is this:

Now if the moving daylight has been caused by the rotation of  the  earth,  the  shadows  of  that  ball  in  the  garden,  or of the knob  of  the  shorter upright  stick  on  the housetop,  would have  fallen in a straight  line.  Test  the  truth  of  this  by   an experiment  with  an  orange,  or  a  larrger  ball,  in a  dark  room illuminated  by  one  lamp.  Place  an  upright  stylus  near  the centre  of  a  flat  and  stationary  table,  and  carefully  carry  the light  half-way  round.  You  will  get  the  sundial  curve. Then  fix  a match  in  the  orange,  and  place  the  light  in  the centre  of  the  stationary  table,  and  squarely  rotate  the orange.  If  you  do  so  honestly  and  properly,  you  will  get  a short  straight  line,  according  to  the  proportions  of  your experiment.Thus  the  sun-dial,  the  shadows  of  our  lamp-posts  in  the city  squares,  and  the  shadows  of  our  tall  trees  in  the  city  parks,  all  testify,  often  daily,  to  the  great  fact  that  we  are living  on  a  plane  and  stable  earth,  with  the  hght  of  heaven daily  revolving  around.  Truly  “   the  heavens  declare  the glory  of  God  ;  and  the  firmament  sheweth  his  handiwork  : day unto  day uttereth  speech,  and  night  unto  night  sheweth knowledge.”   (Psa.  xix.  i ,   2).

@Ausgeoff, you are full of shit again, how come? I thought that you have changed in last few days...

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Re: GLOBAL CONSPIRACY
« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2014, 09:33:17 AM »
The distance from the North Pole to the Equator is roughly 6000, it means that the circumference of the Equator is roughly 37.500 miles (60 000 km)!

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Re: GLOBAL CONSPIRACY
« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2014, 09:36:32 AM »
The distance from the North Pole to the Equator is roughly 6000, it means that the circumference of the Equator is roughly 37.500 miles (60 000 km)!

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miles, anything else bothers you?
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« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2014, 09:48:09 AM »
The distance from the North Pole to the Equator is roughly 6000, it means that the circumference of the Equator is roughly 37.500 miles (60 000 km)!

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miles, anything else bothers you?

what about miles? My problem is that you said the circumference of earth is 37,500 miles. The round earth claim is that the earth is 24,901 miles. The round earth claim is that the distance from the north pole to the equator is 1/4 of the circumference.

24,901 miles / 4 = 6225.25 miles

So what's the problem?

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Re: GLOBAL CONSPIRACY
« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2014, 09:48:48 AM »
@ Saros, Sceptimatic, 2929292, thanks for your replies and nice words!


The mere fact that you "thank" these three whack-jobs, and their "nice" words is proof positive that your desperation for acceptance of your own screwball notions knows no bounds.

One loony-tunes, one slow learner, and one god-botherer.    ;D   What a triumvirate of high-powered intellectual giants!

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Re: GLOBAL CONSPIRACY
« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2014, 10:03:11 AM »
The distance from the North Pole to the Equator is roughly 6000, it means that the circumference of the Equator is roughly 37.500 miles (60 000 km)!

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miles, anything else bothers you?

what about miles? My problem is that you said the circumference of earth is 37,500 miles. The round earth claim is that the earth is 24,901 miles. The round earth claim is that the distance from the north pole to the equator is 1/4 of the circumference.

24,901 miles / 4 = 6225.25 miles

So what's the problem?

6000 (roughly) * 2 * pi = 37680 ....This is correct for the Flat Earth, and if the Earth were a sphere then you would have to use different formula in order to get RE's result which is 24,901...

Anything else?
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« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2014, 10:22:08 AM »
Anything else?
Yeah, start making sense.
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« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2014, 10:23:50 AM »
The distance from the North Pole to the Equator is roughly 6000, it means that the circumference of the Equator is roughly 37.500 miles (60 000 km)!

???

miles, anything else bothers you?

what about miles? My problem is that you said the circumference of earth is 37,500 miles. The round earth claim is that the earth is 24,901 miles. The round earth claim is that the distance from the north pole to the equator is 1/4 of the circumference.

24,901 miles / 4 = 6225.25 miles

So what's the problem?

6000 (roughly) * 2 * pi = 37680 ....This is correct for the Flat Earth, and if the Earth were a sphere then you would have to use different formula in order to get RE's result which is 24,901...

Anything else?

Yeah. Your point.

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Re: GLOBAL CONSPIRACY
« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2014, 10:24:02 AM »
The distance from the North Pole to the Equator is roughly 6000, it means that the circumference of the Equator is roughly 37.500 miles (60 000 km)!

???

miles, anything else bothers you?

what about miles? My problem is that you said the circumference of earth is 37,500 miles. The round earth claim is that the earth is 24,901 miles. The round earth claim is that the distance from the north pole to the equator is 1/4 of the circumference.

24,901 miles / 4 = 6225.25 miles

So what's the problem?

6000 (roughly) * 2 * pi = 37680 ....This is correct for the Flat Earth, and if the Earth were a sphere then you would have to use different formula in order to get RE's result which is 24,901...

Anything else?
2*pi*r is the formula you are using. The distance from the north pole to the equator is not a radius. You would just need the correct radius of the earth. Please note this.
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Re: GLOBAL CONSPIRACY
« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2014, 12:05:13 PM »
The distance from the North Pole to the Equator is roughly 6000, it means that the circumference of the Equator is roughly 37.500 miles (60 000 km)!

???

miles, anything else bothers you?

what about miles? My problem is that you said the circumference of earth is 37,500 miles. The round earth claim is that the earth is 24,901 miles. The round earth claim is that the distance from the north pole to the equator is 1/4 of the circumference.

24,901 miles / 4 = 6225.25 miles

So what's the problem?

6000 (roughly) * 2 * pi = 37680 ....This is correct for the Flat Earth, and if the Earth were a sphere then you would have to use different formula in order to get RE's result which is 24,901...

Anything else?

Yeah. Your point.

The point is that they (REs - conspirators) couldn't have forged the distances between the North Pole and the Equator (it would have been much greater problem than forging the distances in southern hemiplain), so we have to conclude that they have had to forge the circumference of the Equator which makes much more sense than the other way around...
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Re: GLOBAL CONSPIRACY
« Reply #18 on: November 22, 2014, 12:07:32 PM »
The distance from the North Pole to the Equator is roughly 6000, it means that the circumference of the Equator is roughly 37.500 miles (60 000 km)!

???

miles, anything else bothers you?

what about miles? My problem is that you said the circumference of earth is 37,500 miles. The round earth claim is that the earth is 24,901 miles. The round earth claim is that the distance from the north pole to the equator is 1/4 of the circumference.

24,901 miles / 4 = 6225.25 miles

So what's the problem?

6000 (roughly) * 2 * pi = 37680 ....This is correct for the Flat Earth, and if the Earth were a sphere then you would have to use different formula in order to get RE's result which is 24,901...

Anything else?

Yeah. Your point.

The point is that they (REs - conspirators) couldn't have forged the distances between the North Pole and the Equator (it would have been much greater problem than forging the distances in southern hemiplain), so we have to conclude that they have had to forge the circumference of the Equator which makes much more sense than the other way around...

6000 is not the radius. Nobody says that. Please learn what you are arguing against first.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_radius

Maybe you just don't understand what a sphere is. Is the radius of a basketball to you the distance on the surface between the top most part and a part on the side?
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Re: GLOBAL CONSPIRACY
« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2014, 12:23:20 PM »
The funniest part is that the distance between the north pole and the equator isn't even the radius on the flat earth model that you are referencing. So much fail.

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Re: GLOBAL CONSPIRACY
« Reply #20 on: November 22, 2014, 12:26:26 PM »
6000 is not the radius. Nobody says that. Please learn what you are arguing against first.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_radius

Maybe you just don't understand what a sphere is. Is the radius of a basketball to you the distance on the surface between the top most part and a part on the side?

You mean, FEs say that the radius is 5400 miles?
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« Reply #21 on: November 22, 2014, 12:36:50 PM »
I thought you already had a thread about problems with the equator?

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Re: GLOBAL CONSPIRACY
« Reply #22 on: November 22, 2014, 12:44:50 PM »
6000 is not the radius. Nobody says that. Please learn what you are arguing against first.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_radius

Maybe you just don't understand what a sphere is. Is the radius of a basketball to you the distance on the surface between the top most part and a part on the side?

You mean, FEs say that the radius is 5400 miles?

I have no idea where you got that figure from. Not only do flat earther's not say that, but neither did you when you wrote this formula for a circle:


6000 (roughly) * 2 * pi = 37680 ....This is correct for the Flat Earth, and if the Earth were a sphere then you would have to use different formula in order to get RE's result which is 24,901...

Anything else?

This implied that you think 6000 is the radius for a flat earth and you were making an argument saying that round earthers also say this. You then went on to say that the distance from the north pole to the equator is the radius for both. Let's look clearly at how much you fail:



In this image that I threw together, the red lines are the radii that you suggested for both models when the real radii for both is the green line.

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Re: GLOBAL CONSPIRACY
« Reply #23 on: November 22, 2014, 12:52:35 PM »
Just in case you say what I think you might say, in the image above, the green line on the round earth (blue marble) goes from the south pole to earth's core.

Here is what a radius is on a sphere:



But you knew that right? Of course you did.  ::)

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Re: GLOBAL CONSPIRACY
« Reply #24 on: November 22, 2014, 01:56:23 PM »
Just in case you say what I think you might say, in the image above, the green line on the round earth (blue marble) goes from the south pole to earth's core.

Here is what a radius is on a sphere:



But you knew that right? Of course you did.  ::)

So much words about nothing, of course that i did know that, wasn't i clear enough in my first respond to your series of funny objections? http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=62346.msg1641529#msg1641529
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Re: GLOBAL CONSPIRACY
« Reply #25 on: November 22, 2014, 02:01:33 PM »
Just in case you say what I think you might say, in the image above, the green line on the round earth (blue marble) goes from the south pole to earth's core.

Here is what a radius is on a sphere:



But you knew that right? Of course you did.  ::)

So much words about nothing, of course that i did know that, wasn't i clear enough in my first respond to your series of funny objections? http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=62346.msg1641529#msg1641529

Is that supposed to make sense. Your rebuttal there was that you would have to use a different formula. This is false, you would just need to use a different radius, as in the correct radius which I already explained. Nice try.

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Re: GLOBAL CONSPIRACY
« Reply #26 on: November 22, 2014, 02:41:07 PM »
OMG!!!
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Re: GLOBAL CONSPIRACY
« Reply #27 on: November 22, 2014, 02:42:53 PM »
OMG!!!

I hope that's a eureka. Cause you're lost.

Re: GLOBAL CONSPIRACY
« Reply #28 on: November 22, 2014, 05:42:23 PM »
The distance from the North Pole to the Equator is roughly 6000, it means that the circumference of the Equator is roughly 37.500 miles (60 000 km)!

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miles, anything else bothers you?

what about miles? My problem is that you said the circumference of earth is 37,500 miles. The round earth claim is that the earth is 24,901 miles. The round earth claim is that the distance from the north pole to the equator is 1/4 of the circumference.

24,901 miles / 4 = 6225.25 miles

So what's the problem?

6000 (roughly) * 2 * pi = 37680 ....This is correct for the Flat Earth, and if the Earth were a sphere then you would have to use different formula in order to get RE's result which is 24,901...

Anything else?

Yeah. Your point.

The point is that they (REs - conspirators) couldn't have forged the distances between the North Pole and the Equator (it would have been much greater problem than forging the distances in southern hemiplain), so we have to conclude that they have had to forge the circumference of the Equator which makes much more sense than the other way around...
Well, here's an idea for you to check to see if the 24,900-mi length of the equator is "forged".  According to Google, Altamira and Uruará, in the State of Pará, Brazil are at 3.2° S, 52.2° W and 3.71° S, 53.74° W, respectively, and 112.38 miles (180.85 km) apart as the crow flies.These two towns are approximately east and west of each other, nearly on the equator, and connected by a relatively straight road.

http://www.google.com/maps/@-3.4995413,-52.8928186,10z

Uruará is west of Altamira by 1.54 degrees, which is 1/233.75 of 360 degrees. Treating the whole 112.4 miles as due E-W (it's not quite, but the E-W component is about 95% of it) on the equator (again, it's not quite, but close), then the circumference of the Earth is

112.4 miles * 233.75 = 26273.5 miles.

This is a lot closer to 24,900 miles than 37,680 miles. 95% of 26,273.5 miles (to account for the extra distance due to the 1/2° change in latitude) is 24,959.8 miles, pretty much in line with the round-earth estimate. The distance by road will be somewhat longer because it isn't perfectly straight, but I'd be surprised if it exceeds 200 km. The straight-line distance would have to be more than 100 km longer, making the distance between towns about 300 km by road, if the equator is the length you propose.

Why don't you see  if you can find the distance by road between these two towns somehow - maybe contact a Brazilian consulate - and see if your 37,000+ mile equator is even close?

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Re: GLOBAL CONSPIRACY
« Reply #29 on: November 23, 2014, 03:21:40 AM »
The distance from the North Pole to the Equator is roughly 6000, it means that the circumference of the Equator is roughly 37.500 miles (60 000 km)!

???

miles, anything else bothers you?

what about miles? My problem is that you said the circumference of earth is 37,500 miles. The round earth claim is that the earth is 24,901 miles. The round earth claim is that the distance from the north pole to the equator is 1/4 of the circumference.

24,901 miles / 4 = 6225.25 miles

So what's the problem?

6000 (roughly) * 2 * pi = 37680 ....This is correct for the Flat Earth, and if the Earth were a sphere then you would have to use different formula in order to get RE's result which is 24,901...

Anything else?

Yeah. Your point.

The point is that they (REs - conspirators) couldn't have forged the distances between the North Pole and the Equator (it would have been much greater problem than forging the distances in southern hemiplain), so we have to conclude that they have had to forge the circumference of the Equator which makes much more sense than the other way around...
Well, here's an idea for you to check to see if the 24,900-mi length of the equator is "forged".  According to Google, Altamira and Uruará, in the State of Pará, Brazil are at 3.2° S, 52.2° W and 3.71° S, 53.74° W, respectively, and 112.38 miles (180.85 km) apart as the crow flies.These two towns are approximately east and west of each other, nearly on the equator, and connected by a relatively straight road.

http://www.google.com/maps/@-3.4995413,-52.8928186,10z

Uruará is west of Altamira by 1.54 degrees, which is 1/233.75 of 360 degrees. Treating the whole 112.4 miles as due E-W (it's not quite, but the E-W component is about 95% of it) on the equator (again, it's not quite, but close), then the circumference of the Earth is

112.4 miles * 233.75 = 26273.5 miles.

This is a lot closer to 24,900 miles than 37,680 miles. 95% of 26,273.5 miles (to account for the extra distance due to the 1/2° change in latitude) is 24,959.8 miles, pretty much in line with the round-earth estimate. The distance by road will be somewhat longer because it isn't perfectly straight, but I'd be surprised if it exceeds 200 km. The straight-line distance would have to be more than 100 km longer, making the distance between towns about 300 km by road, if the equator is the length you propose.

Why don't you see  if you can find the distance by road between these two towns somehow - maybe contact a Brazilian consulate - and see if your 37,000+ mile equator is even close?

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"The distance by road will be somewhat longer because it isn't perfectly straight, but I'd be surprised if it exceeds 200 km."

So, let's use this value: 200 km.

360/1,5 = 240

240 * 200 = 48 000 km

48 000 km is almost right in between 40 000 km (official version), and my estimation (60 000 km).

Now, if i used radius of 5400 miles (instead of 6000 miles) we would get 33,912 miles which is 54,259 km!

5400 miles = 2 * 2700 miles (the alleged (according to many Zetetics) distance between the Earth and the Sun)

So, what do you think?

Have you tried this simple experiment: 

2. The easiest way and the simplest experiment that every one of you can do in order to prove to yourself that the Earth is Flat is this:

Now if the moving daylight has been caused by the rotation of  the  earth,  the  shadows  of  that  ball  in  the  garden,  or of the knob  of  the  shorter upright  stick  on  the housetop,  would have  fallen in a straight  line.  Test  the  truth  of  this  by   an experiment  with  an  orange,  or  a  larrger  ball,  in a  dark  room illuminated  by  one  lamp.  Place  an  upright  stylus  near  the centre  of  a  flat  and  stationary  table,  and  carefully  carry  the light  half-way  round.  You  will  get  the  sundial  curve. Then  fix  a match  in  the  orange,  and  place  the  light  in  the centre  of  the  stationary  table,  and  squarely  rotate  the orange.  If  you  do  so  honestly  and  properly,  you  will  get  a short  straight  line,  according  to  the  proportions  of  your experiment.Thus  the  sun-dial,  the  shadows  of  our  lamp-posts  in  the city  squares,  and  the  shadows  of  our  tall  trees  in  the  city  parks,  all  testify,  often  daily,  to  the  great  fact  that  we  are living  on  a  plane  and  stable  earth,  with  the  hght  of  heaven daily  revolving  around.  Truly  “   the  heavens  declare  the glory  of  God  ;  and  the  firmament  sheweth  his  handiwork  : day unto  day uttereth  speech,  and  night  unto  night  sheweth knowledge.”   (Psa.  xix.  i ,   2).


It is much easier to do than "Kanchenjunga-Makalu" experiment...  :)
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