Gravity = Air Pressure

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The story is supposedly that newton had an epiphany when he noticed that the apples in the orchard fell off the trees while the moon sat in the sky, not falling. This led him to suppose that the moon was also under the same influence of gravity but some velocity was also influencing the moon.

Oh right. Even more stupid then.

It's just a legend anyway. There is no way to confirm what actually gave him this epiphany but it seems logical to conclude that if everything falls except the heavens then there must be some reason why. If course this makes no sense to you because you've already supposed that the moon isn't an object.

In reality it shouldn't make sense to anyone that tehre is a rock in the sky, but mainstream supposed science has forced that silly belief and people trust authority, so here we are.

Just look at it. It's a sphere in every sense. The way light hits it, it's appearance has a sense of depth.

So does your face in a mirror but you aren't inside that mirror.

Sure, and you'll also notice that the you can look at a whole different side of a face in a mirror if the mirror is close enough. The moon would need to be very far away. Something like 239,000 miles.

How do you come to this conclusion?

A reflection in the mirror has depth right. One only needs to change the angle (or move about the earth) to see a different side of that reflection. This of course works just as well for things that are not reflections. So in both cases, the only way we could see the same side no matter where you are on earth is if it is astronomically far away. Meaning either the dome is nearly a quarter of million miles tall, or the moon is that far away. I'm just using that specific number because that is the known distance to the moon. You just need to understand that it needs to be very far away.

In reality it shouldn't make sense to anyone that tehre is a rock in the sky, but mainstream supposed science has forced that silly belief and people trust authority, so here we are.

I can't believe I'm asking this question, but here goes:  Sceptimatic, where exactly is the thing that creates the reflection that we call the Moon?  For example, is it on the surface of the Nevada dessert, or just under the surface below the streets of Moscow, or floating on the surface of the Pacific Ocean near Hawaii?

So does your face in a mirror but you aren't inside that mirror.

Double wow!!!  So says our resident scientist and world-renowned researcher.  Gee... I never thought of a mirror like that.  I always thought there was another me actually "inside" the mirror.

Of course, it's more than clear now.  Thanks to sceptimatic, I'm now a far smarter person!   

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The story is supposedly that newton had an epiphany when he noticed that the apples in the orchard fell off the trees while the moon sat in the sky, not falling. This led him to suppose that the moon was also under the same influence of gravity but some velocity was also influencing the moon.

Oh right. Even more stupid then.

It's just a legend anyway. There is no way to confirm what actually gave him this epiphany but it seems logical to conclude that if everything falls except the heavens then there must be some reason why. If course this makes no sense to you because you've already supposed that the moon isn't an object.

In reality it shouldn't make sense to anyone that tehre is a rock in the sky, but mainstream supposed science has forced that silly belief and people trust authority, so here we are.

Just look at it. It's a sphere in every sense. The way light hits it, it's appearance has a sense of depth.

So does your face in a mirror but you aren't inside that mirror.

Sure, and you'll also notice that the you can look at a whole different side of a face in a mirror if the mirror is close enough. The moon would need to be very far away. Something like 239,000 miles.

How do you come to this conclusion?

A reflection in the mirror has depth right. One only needs to change the angle (or move about the earth) to see a different side of that reflection. This of course works just as well for things that are not reflections. So in both cases, the only way we could see the same side no matter where you are on earth is if it is astronomically far away. Meaning either the dome is nearly a quarter of million miles tall, or the moon is that far away. I'm just using that specific number because that is the known distance to the moon. You just need to understand that it needs to be very far away.

You will never see a different side to that reflection.
It's like looking at a painting of a face. It's eyes will follow you everwhere you go. It's it's eyes, it's your eyes simply seeing the same picture on the move, just like you will see in a mirror, or why you only see the moons face.

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The story is supposedly that newton had an epiphany when he noticed that the apples in the orchard fell off the trees while the moon sat in the sky, not falling. This led him to suppose that the moon was also under the same influence of gravity but some velocity was also influencing the moon.

Oh right. Even more stupid then.

It's just a legend anyway. There is no way to confirm what actually gave him this epiphany but it seems logical to conclude that if everything falls except the heavens then there must be some reason why. If course this makes no sense to you because you've already supposed that the moon isn't an object.

In reality it shouldn't make sense to anyone that tehre is a rock in the sky, but mainstream supposed science has forced that silly belief and people trust authority, so here we are.

Just look at it. It's a sphere in every sense. The way light hits it, it's appearance has a sense of depth.

So does your face in a mirror but you aren't inside that mirror.

Sure, and you'll also notice that the you can look at a whole different side of a face in a mirror if the mirror is close enough. The moon would need to be very far away. Something like 239,000 miles.

How do you come to this conclusion?

A reflection in the mirror has depth right. One only needs to change the angle (or move about the earth) to see a different side of that reflection. This of course works just as well for things that are not reflections. So in both cases, the only way we could see the same side no matter where you are on earth is if it is astronomically far away. Meaning either the dome is nearly a quarter of million miles tall, or the moon is that far away. I'm just using that specific number because that is the known distance to the moon. You just need to understand that it needs to be very far away.

You will never see a different side to that reflection.
It's like looking at a painting of a face. It's eyes will follow you everwhere you go. It's it's eyes, it's your eyes simply seeing the same picture on the move, just like you will see in a mirror, or why you only see the moons face.

So if you hold a ball in front of a mirror, you don't think you can see a different side of the ball in the mirror just by changing the angle?

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Some nice yapping there people. None of it disproves what I've been saying.

How does one go about disproving an incoherent stream of gibberish? 

Well, you can start by burning your science fiction space books. That's a good start. From then, you just have to realise that the so called genius scientists that gave out the gibberish, are nothing but puppets for the higher ranks and try and learn the truth from the people who can think. I'm trying to help and so are a few others. I suggest you take notice; but the choice has to be made from yourself.
Maybe you can't manage it; or won't.
Never mind.

What truth are these "higher ranks" trying to hide?  Gravity, density and pressure have all been studied for many years before any space conspiracy agency was even thought of.

That's right. Let's not forget Newton and his wig sat under an apple tree when the apple smacked his head. Eureka. 

I'm sorry but that doesn't answer my question.  Who are these "higher ranks" and what truths are they trying to hide?

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Some nice yapping there people. None of it disproves what I've been saying.

How does one go about disproving an incoherent stream of gibberish? 

Well, you can start by burning your science fiction space books. That's a good start. From then, you just have to realise that the so called genius scientists that gave out the gibberish, are nothing but puppets for the higher ranks and try and learn the truth from the people who can think. I'm trying to help and so are a few others. I suggest you take notice; but the choice has to be made from yourself.
Maybe you can't manage it; or won't.
Never mind.

What truth are these "higher ranks" trying to hide?  Gravity, density and pressure have all been studied for many years before any space conspiracy agency was even thought of.

That's right. Let's not forget Newton and his wig sat under an apple tree when the apple smacked his head. Eureka. 

I'm sorry but that doesn't answer my question.  Who are these "higher ranks" and what truths are they trying to hide?

Those who control us. Those at the very top who control our very existence. Who are they?
Those who control the money, control the world. Work it out.

What are they hiding?...the truth of our history as each day passes.

Name names scepti.  Who is running the great "gravity conspiracy"?

Name names scepti.  Who is running the great "gravity conspiracy"?

I don't know who's at the very top of the tree that keeps this up. It's total indoctrination by now. Intelligent people simply buy into it as per normal. After all, there's nothing to separate gravity from Atmospheric pressure in Earth, so it's not like they have to hide anything. The explanations are in plain sight.

Mass pulls on mass, they tell you. They don't tell you why, just that it does. So they can use this gravity clap trap to sell us a space jaunt and everything they say is in it.

It's absolute utter nonsensical givverish, yet it's accepted by people who don't know any better. Intelligent people that are capable of many achievements, yet have no common sense and logic to ever dare think alternative to the silliness of gravity.

I can only help those that are willing to understand why denpressure kills it all off. I have to try and do this under the constant barrage of crap designed to divert me and those trying to understand that gravity does not exist.

Just one person understanding it can lead to many understanding it. The biggest obstacle for most is, they cannot let go of the concept of gravity because they are fearful of being thought off as, odd.

This is why society can be manipulated to do anything at all, as long as it comes from those who they believe have standing in the world.

They could grab a tramp from the street and spruce that tramp up, just enough to look reasonable. They could attach a scientific name to that tramp, as his speciality, then parade that tramp before the public to read a script and do it over time.

In time, intelligent people will use that tramps' name to try and put forward the bullshit that tramp was scripted to put out, as if that tramp was a world reknowned genius in whatever field.
They done it with Einstein and Hawking, plus Kaku and  Brian Cox. Add as many as you like to those. Newton and futher back. Eratosthenes and you name it. Just names or faces paraded before us, as the ruse for the bullshit we've all had forced down our throats for as long as it's possible to actually be thought.

I'm not a new scientist at this as what I'm telling people, is already known. The problem (as I said) is, it's masked, that's all.

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Name names scepti.  Who is running the great "gravity conspiracy"?

I don't know who's at the very top of the tree that keeps this up.

This is the usual, predictable, unsatisfactory "answer" whenever conspiracy theorist are asked to name names.  They can NEVER do it.  Which is what ultimately destroys they're entire "conspiracy" theory.

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on December 01, 2014, 04:34:08 AM

Name names scepti.  Who is running the great "gravity conspiracy"?

I don't know who's at the very top of the tree that keeps this up.

Not a single name then?

It's total indoctrination by now....usual blah, blah...............

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Name names scepti.  Who is running the great "gravity conspiracy"?

I don't know who's at the very top of the tree that keeps this up.

Not a single name then?

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It's total indoctrination by now....usual blah, blah...............

Did you ever watch Charlies Angels? did you ever notice how Bosley was in charge and sent the girls on missions?
Now, apart from having your pants down your ankles and your hand inside your Y fronts, can you remember what Charlie looked like, or was he just Charlie who was the major player behind the whole set up?

Let's called them, tptb.

Now have a really good think about what I've just said.

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Name names scepti.  Who is running the great "gravity conspiracy"?

I don't know who's at the very top of the tree that keeps this up.

Not a single name then?

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It's total indoctrination by now....usual blah, blah...............

Did you ever watch Charlies Angels? did you ever notice how Bosley was in charge and sent the girls on missions?
Now, apart from having your pants down your ankles and your hand inside your Y fronts, can you remember what Charlie looked like, or was he just Charlie who was the major player behind the whole set up?

Have you been drinking?  This shit is sounding seriously deranged.

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Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on December 01, 2014, 04:34:08 AM

Name names scepti.  Who is running the great "gravity conspiracy"?

I don't know who's at the very top of the tree that keeps this up.

Not a single name then?

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It's total indoctrination by now....usual blah, blah...............

Did you ever watch Charlies Angels? did you ever notice how Bosley was in charge and sent the girls on missions?
Now, apart from having your pants down your ankles and your hand inside your Y fronts, can you remember what Charlie looked like, or was he just Charlie who was the major player behind the whole set up?

Have you been drinking?  This shit is sounding seriously deranged.

You can't decipher the logic behind what I said, can you? 

I asked you who was running the Great Gravity conspiracy and you started rambling on about 70s TV shows and Y-fronts.

Now you want me to "decipher the logic" behind that?

If you actually answered questions without the use of tortuous metaphors we might get somewhere.  Though I suspect not.

I asked you who was running the Great Gravity conspiracy and you started rambling on about 70s TV shows and Y-fronts.

Now you want me to "decipher the logic" behind that?

If you actually answered questions without the use of tortuous metaphors we might get somewhere.  Though I suspect not.

You start learning to be a good boy and not a bad tempered little brat and you may get answers to your questions, as long as you don't come back with more bad tempered bratty stuff.
You need to learn to be internet respectful and you will gain it back.

No offense sceptimatic, but your explanations are a bit difficult to understand. Not because we wouldn't understand the concept of denpressure, but because your analogies and metaphors are confusing and ambiguous. Your writing style can sometimes be a bit difficult to understand, no offense once again.

I suggest maybe finding someone else who also believes in it, who could explain?

I think if you just lay it out for us a bit more mathematically, it would make a lot more sense.

No offense sceptimatic, but your explanations are a bit difficult to understand. Not because we wouldn't understand the concept of denpressure, but because your analogies and metaphors are confusing and ambiguous. Your writing style can sometimes be a bit difficult to understand, no offense once again.

I suggest maybe finding someone else who also believes in it, who could explain?

I think if you just lay it out for us a bit more mathematically, it would make a lot more sense.

Don't worry about it. You need to use basic logic to grasp it. Thinking like you people do is not going to work unless you decide to think like that.
No problem though. My explanations aren't for you to grasp as a main rule. It's for those that possess the though process to look past the bullshit they were fed and to see how simple and basic the reality is.

Spending your life saturated in equations to understand basics is naturally going to kill off your thoughts on just about everything, so no wonder everything the science world tells you, makes sense to you.
No offence meant, it's just that we have different minds.

Never mind, you gave it a try.

I tried using logic, still not making any sense to me.

I tried using logic, still not making any sense to me.

No problem. You tried and that's all that can be asked.

No offense sceptimatic, but your explanations are a bit difficult to understand.

sceptimatic first raised the question of his imaginary "denpressure" months ago.  He alleges it's a combination of pressure (force per unit area) and density (mass per unit volume) but he's not once explained the units of measurement of "denpressure" or how it purportedly works in comparison to what scientists call gravity.  In fact, he claims his "denpressure" totally refutes the theory of gravity.  He also can't tell us if it's a scalar or a vector quantity.

He's been asked to define "denpressure" literally dozens of times by both myself and other round earthers, but in all that time has refused—or is unable—to give us any definition of its effects or mechanism.  He's also unable to cite even one single reference in any of the science texts, or name any scientist who supports his theory of "denpressure".

Of course, anybody here of a scientific bent understands that this "denpressure" concept sprung to life as some sort of fanciful proof [sic] that gravity did not and could not exist.  I'm guessing at this stage, he's wishing he'd never made it up in the first place, as it's just giving people further reason to continue taking the piss out of the poor guy.

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No offense sceptimatic, but your explanations are a bit difficult to understand. Not because we wouldn't understand the concept of denpressure, but because your analogies and metaphors are confusing and ambiguous. Your writing style can sometimes be a bit difficult to understand, no offense once again.

I suggest maybe finding someone else who also believes in it, who could explain?

I think if you just lay it out for us a bit more mathematically, it would make a lot more sense.

Don't worry about it. You need to use basic logic to grasp it. Thinking like you people do is not going to work unless you decide to think like that.
No problem though. My explanations aren't for you to grasp as a main rule. It's for those that possess the though process to look past the bullshit they were fed and to see how simple and basic the reality is.

Spending your life saturated in equations to understand basics is naturally going to kill off your thoughts on just about everything, so no wonder everything the science world tells you, makes sense to you.
No offence meant, it's just that we have different minds.

Never mind, you gave it a try.

I tried to word myself a bit more carefully to prevent this exact response.

Sceptimatic, I don't mean I don't understand your explanations, I mean I don't understand your sentence structure and English. It's almost like sometimes you run a random sentence generator and paste it in the forum. Maybe you think in ambiguous and derpy metaphors and strange adjectives, but we don't. And neither would a "free thinker."

All we're asking is for you to translate your hypothesis into a more logical, mathematical form. This way, we don't have to spend time discussing word choice and misunderstandings of certain texts, and we can work with concrete, objective math.

Besides, if you were the genius that you make yourself out to be, it would be pretty easy to you. Hell, Newton created most of Calculus when he was 23.

Thanks.

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on December 01, 2014, 04:34:08 AM

Name names scepti.  Who is running the great "gravity conspiracy"?

I don't know who's at the very top of the tree that keeps this up. It's total indoctrination by now. Intelligent people simply buy into it as per normal. After all, there's nothing to separate gravity from Atmospheric pressure in Earth, so it's not like they have to hide anything. The explanations are in plain sight.

Mass pulls on mass, they tell you. They don't tell you why, just that it does. So they can use this gravity clap trap to sell us a space jaunt and everything they say is in it.

Air molecules stack on air molecules but you won't tell us why, just that it does.  Sound familiar?

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on December 01, 2014, 09:13:53 AM

I asked you who was running the Great Gravity conspiracy and you started rambling on about 70s TV shows and Y-fronts.

Now you want me to "decipher the logic" behind that?

If you actually answered questions without the use of tortuous metaphors we might get somewhere.  Though I suspect not.

You start learning to be a good boy and not a bad tempered little brat and you may get answers to your questions, as long as you don't come back with more bad tempered bratty stuff.
You need to learn to be internet respectful and you will gain it back.

This is the tactic you always turn to whenever you are stuck: pretend the other person has lost their temper and refuse to talk to them until they've "calmed down" or become "more respectful".  You always finish it with one of your hilarious emoticons.

I asked you who runs the Big Gravity conspiracy and you gave a non-sequitur reply about a 70s TV show.

You could just say "I don't know" and save a lot of typing.
 

Sceptimatic, I don't mean I don't understand your explanations, I mean I don't understand your sentence structure and English. It's almost like sometimes you run a random sentence generator and paste it in the forum. Maybe you think in ambiguous and derpy metaphors and strange adjectives, but we don't. And neither would a "free thinker."

This is actually more true than funny.  And that's why sceptimatic so often replies [sic] in what we'd call "baby talk".

I guess it's also a possibility that his first language is not English, which would also explain in part why he has so much difficulty with constructing a cohesive sentence, and with syntax and grammar.  I always felt like a kindergarten teacher whenever I tried explaining even something basic to him LOL.  And which is why I now suggest that you ask him to put you on his IGNORE list (as I am, thankfully).

And which is why I now suggest that you ask him to put you on his IGNORE list (as I am, thankfully).

Not yet. I'm genuinely interested in understanding his hypothesis.

You start learning to be a good boy and not a bad tempered little brat and you may get answers to your questions, as long as you don't come back with more bad tempered bratty stuff.

You need to learn to be internet respectful and you will gain it back.

Ouch..... sceptimatic had better be careful, otherwise he'll have mommy Rama Set sending him to his room without dinner LOL.

Mommy Rama doesn't like people who insult others and use naughty language.

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And which is why I now suggest that you ask him to put you on his IGNORE list (as I am, thankfully).

Not yet. I'm genuinely interested in understanding his hypothesis.

Don't be.  He has no working hypotheses about a purported flat earth.  He simply makes up fanciful stuff on the trot to suit whatever silly argument he's trying to make, and apparently has virtually no knowledge of the accredited sciences.

Although, you might like to ask him about the thirteen academic credentials he's claimed to possess, or the titles of a few of the dozen books he's authored.  Don't hold your breath though.

   

   

Airplanes ARE effected by gravity, but they can counteract that with their wings which work like this:

The air on top is lower pressure so it sucks the wing up, and that's how airplanes fly.  Newtonian physics doesn't account for air pressure because it doesn't need to, there is gravity on the airless moon that orbits Earth and astronauts orbiting the Earth in pressurized ships float around weightlessly.  Air has NOTHING to do with gravity.

Airplanes ARE effected by gravity, but they can counteract that with their wings which work like this:

The air on top is lower pressure so it sucks the wing up, and that's how airplanes fly.  Newtonian physics doesn't account for air pressure because it doesn't need to, there is gravity on the airless moon that orbits Earth and astronauts orbiting the Earth in pressurized ships float around weightlessly.  Air has NOTHING to do with gravity.

Yeah, we have been trying to explain to scepti for years, but he won't believe it. Not like it makes perfect sense and can be explained through basic physics.