Rosetta's Philae probe makes historic landing on comet

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Re: Rosetta's Philae probe makes historic landing on comet
« Reply #480 on: December 17, 2014, 11:49:18 PM »

It seemed to have worked, so you just might be wrong. Again. Have you even considered this?


Of course. A tattoed clown at ESA with a shirt full of nude women announced that Rosetta had arrived at the comet and media quoted him. I evidently consider the whole thing a hoax for reasons given on my web page.

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Re: Rosetta's Philae probe makes historic landing on comet
« Reply #481 on: December 18, 2014, 12:05:16 AM »

Gravity assist maneuver is not just a name put on an impossible maneuver that was made up to explain distant space travel, it is a mathematically provable way that a spacecraft can interact with a planet given newtonian physics.  I believe that gravity assists are possible because I have personally run simulations of them and seen mathematical proofs that suggest that they are possible.

OK - big planet Earth is orbiting the Sun at constant speed v1 m/s and my tiny 3000 kg spacecraft Heiwa arrives towards Earth with speed v2 at a certain angle after having been kicked there by planet Mars. Sun, Earth, Mars and Heiwa are in the same plane. Now Earth shall kick Heiwa out of that plane towards comet 67P that is elliptically orbiting Sun in another plane.
Please advise what speed v3 and direction my space craft Heiwa shall be kicked to arrive close to 67P with not too much speed difference.
How is kinetic energy 1500(v2˛ - v3˛) transmitted between Earth and Heiwa and how do you adjust the direction? Does Earth's atmosphere and clouds in the way make task difficult?

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Re: Rosetta's Philae probe makes historic landing on comet
« Reply #482 on: December 18, 2014, 06:19:39 AM »

Gravity assist maneuver is not just a name put on an impossible maneuver that was made up to explain distant space travel, it is a mathematically provable way that a spacecraft can interact with a planet given newtonian physics.  I believe that gravity assists are possible because I have personally run simulations of them and seen mathematical proofs that suggest that they are possible.

OK - big planet Earth is orbiting the Sun at constant speed v1 m/s and my tiny 3000 kg spacecraft Heiwa arrives towards Earth with speed v2 at a certain angle after having been kicked there by planet Mars. Sun, Earth, Mars and Heiwa are in the same plane. Now Earth shall kick Heiwa out of that plane towards comet 67P that is elliptically orbiting Sun in another plane.
Please advise what speed v3 and direction my space craft Heiwa shall be kicked to arrive close to 67P with not too much speed difference.
How is kinetic energy 1500(v2˛ - v3˛) transmitted between Earth and Heiwa and how do you adjust the direction? Does Earth's atmosphere and clouds in the way make task difficult?

You should know that there is far too little information in your problem to solve it.  You are an engineer right?  Or are you just looking for a general solution?
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Re: Rosetta's Philae probe makes historic landing on comet
« Reply #483 on: December 18, 2014, 07:25:55 AM »

It seemed to have worked, so you just might be wrong. Again. Have you even considered this?


Of course. A tattoed clown at ESA with a shirt full of nude women announced that Rosetta had arrived at the comet and media quoted him. I evidently consider the whole thing a hoax for reasons given on my web page.

So it's down to believing:
1) a hawker for a questionable website who demonstrates poor understanding of astrodynamics and engineering
2) ESA?

I'll pick ESA. That was easy.[nb]Engineers and scientists aren't typically valued for their taste in clothing, rather for what they can accomplish. Sometimes they have a sense of humor that leaves others aghast.[/nb]
 
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Re: Rosetta's Philae probe makes historic landing on comet
« Reply #484 on: December 18, 2014, 07:31:24 AM »
Of course. A tattooed clown at ESA with a shirt full of nude women announced that Rosetta had arrived at the comet and media quoted him.

And this nonsensical, irrelevant comment is proof positive of why we should all acknowledge that this glorified boat mechanic is really struggling now to win any points in favour of his delusional ideas about Rosetta's Philae landing.

His puerile ad hominems are the give away.  He's now getting desperate because he's at a loss as to why he's not winning any converts on this site.  He presumably thought that flat earthers would be a soft target for his bullshit claims, but wasn't counting on so much negative flak from scientifically-literate round earthers.

You might as well give up Anders—before you make an even bigger fool of yourself.  If that's at all possible LOL.

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Re: Rosetta's Philae probe makes historic landing on comet
« Reply #485 on: December 18, 2014, 08:50:31 AM »

Gravity assist maneuver is not just a name put on an impossible maneuver that was made up to explain distant space travel, it is a mathematically provable way that a spacecraft can interact with a planet given newtonian physics.  I believe that gravity assists are possible because I have personally run simulations of them and seen mathematical proofs that suggest that they are possible.

OK - big planet Earth is orbiting the Sun at constant speed v1 m/s and my tiny 3000 kg spacecraft Heiwa arrives towards Earth with speed v2 at a certain angle after having been kicked there by planet Mars. Sun, Earth, Mars and Heiwa are in the same plane. Now Earth shall kick Heiwa out of that plane towards comet 67P that is elliptically orbiting Sun in another plane.
Please advise what speed v3 and direction my space craft Heiwa shall be kicked to arrive close to 67P with not too much speed difference.
How is kinetic energy 1500(v2˛ - v3˛) transmitted between Earth and Heiwa and how do you adjust the direction? Does Earth's atmosphere and clouds in the way make task difficult?

You should know that there is far too little information in your problem to solve it.  You are an engineer right?  Or are you just looking for a general solution?

I am just interested in the velocity/direction of space craft Heiwa before (one vector) and after (another vector) the gravity assist kick carried out by planet Earth (and the Sun). Mass remains same.
It seems the moving Planet Earth gravity attracts moving Heiwa one way or another and then there is this magic kick - Heiwa changes speed and direction and carries on in a new orbit around the Sun - hopefully towards the comet.
There are many unknowns here and I believe ESA lacks the equipment and know how to carry out a kick? If the direction is 1° wrong or the speed is 100 m/s to slow or fast you'll miss the target. And the staff looks hippie - too many kicks?

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Re: Rosetta's Philae probe makes historic landing on comet
« Reply #486 on: December 18, 2014, 10:36:32 AM »

Gravity assist maneuver is not just a name put on an impossible maneuver that was made up to explain distant space travel, it is a mathematically provable way that a spacecraft can interact with a planet given newtonian physics.  I believe that gravity assists are possible because I have personally run simulations of them and seen mathematical proofs that suggest that they are possible.

OK - big planet Earth is orbiting the Sun at constant speed v1 m/s and my tiny 3000 kg spacecraft Heiwa arrives towards Earth with speed v2 at a certain angle after having been kicked there by planet Mars. Sun, Earth, Mars and Heiwa are in the same plane. Now Earth shall kick Heiwa out of that plane towards comet 67P that is elliptically orbiting Sun in another plane.
Please advise what speed v3 and direction my space craft Heiwa shall be kicked to arrive close to 67P with not too much speed difference.
How is kinetic energy 1500(v2˛ - v3˛) transmitted between Earth and Heiwa and how do you adjust the direction? Does Earth's atmosphere and clouds in the way make task difficult?

You should know that there is far too little information in your problem to solve it.  You are an engineer right?  Or are you just looking for a general solution?

I am just interested in the velocity/direction of space craft Heiwa before (one vector) and after (another vector) the gravity assist kick carried out by planet Earth (and the Sun). Mass remains same.
It seems the moving Planet Earth gravity attracts moving Heiwa one way or another and then there is this magic kick - Heiwa changes speed and direction and carries on in a new orbit around the Sun - hopefully towards the comet.
There are many unknowns here and I believe ESA lacks the equipment and know how to carry out a kick? If the direction is 1° wrong or the speed is 100 m/s to slow or fast you'll miss the target. And the staff looks hippie - too many kicks?

Surely you know that such a calculation is highly dependent on the initial conditions of which you have only provided the mass of the spacecraft.  That being said, here is a link to a page which outlines the basics of the calculation:

http://www.mathpages.com/home/kmath114/kmath114.htm

I could also recommend the Kerbal Space Program.  It is apparently a fun simulator!

Finally, you might want to note, that unlike yourself, the engineers and scientists at ESA likely do not do their calculations in their head, but instead use computers giving their calculations a higher degree of reliability.

Any questions?
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Re: Rosetta's Philae probe makes historic landing on comet
« Reply #487 on: December 18, 2014, 11:37:17 PM »

Surely you know that such a calculation is highly dependent on the initial conditions of which you have only provided the mass of the spacecraft.  That being said, here is a link to a page which outlines the basics of the calculation:

http://www.mathpages.com/home/kmath114/kmath114.htm

I could also recommend the Kerbal Space Program.  It is apparently a fun simulator!

Finally, you might want to note, that unlike yourself, the engineers and scientists at ESA likely do not do their calculations in their head, but instead use computers giving their calculations a higher degree of reliability.

Any questions?

The only variables are mass of Sun, Earth and Heiwa and velocity/direction of Earth and Heiwa.

The 2-D gravity assist kick or slingshot is evidently impossible as suggested in the link:

http://www.mathpages.com/home/kmath114/kmath114.htm

Assume that Earth and Heiwa meet head on at normal space velocities and Heiwa turns 180° around Earth to proceed in same direction as Earth. Earth is moving at 28 900 m/s speed around Sun in one direction and say that Heiwa has speed 11 100 m/s in its orbit around Sun in the other direction and that they happen to meet in space. Pls explain how Earth can catch Heiwa and sling Heiwa around 180° so that Heiwa becomes speed 68900 m/s, while remaining in the 2-D plane.

Using my head calculations I find that Earth and Heiwa pass each other at 40 000 m/s relative speed and that there is little time for sling shots unless, unlikely, Heiwa hits Earth  and crashes. Earth gravity may affect the direction of Heiwa a little, up or down out of the 2-D plane, but not 180° in the 2-D plane. Space is 3-D.

The Rosetta program was invented in 1993 and evidently they had computers then and could do the calculations. But it was fantasy then and fantasy now and only sect members - true believers - troll around and suggest it is true.
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Re: Rosetta's Philae probe makes historic landing on comet
« Reply #488 on: December 19, 2014, 02:49:36 AM »
But it was fantasy then and fantasy now and only sect members - true believers - troll around and suggest it is true.
By "true believers" do you mean "pretty much everyone in the world"?

Your calculations are hilarious bullshit.  Why not use the real numbers?
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Re: Rosetta's Philae probe makes historic landing on comet
« Reply #489 on: December 19, 2014, 03:44:05 AM »
But it was fantasy then and fantasy now and only sect members - true believers - troll around and suggest it is true.
By "true believers" do you mean "pretty much everyone in the world"?

Your calculations are hilarious bullshit.  Why not use the real numbers?

28 900 m/s is the velocity of you, JTC, orbiting the Sun on planet Earth. Do not blame me! You are really fast spinning around the Sun. If something then approaches planet Earth in the opposite direction, e.g. 11 100 m/s (the Heiwa space craft), you and planet Earth will kick it around Earth 180° and sending it off in the opposite direction at almost 7 times higher speed. It only takes 6-7 minutes. I explain more at http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm#JTC .

Evidently the sling shot theory is bullshit but ESA/Rosetta use it to steal money from European tax payers. Do not blame me!

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Re: Rosetta's Philae probe makes historic landing on comet
« Reply #490 on: December 19, 2014, 03:52:48 AM »
But it was fantasy then and fantasy now and only sect members - true believers - troll around and suggest it is true.
By "true believers" do you mean "pretty much everyone in the world"?

Your calculations are hilarious bullshit.  Why not use the real numbers?

28 900 m/s is the velocity of you, JTC, orbiting the Sun on planet Earth. Do not blame me! You are really fast spinning around the Sun. If something then approaches planet Earth in the opposite direction, e.g. 11 100 m/s (the Heiwa space craft), you and planet Earth will kick it around Earth 180° and sending it off in the opposite direction at almost 7 times higher speed. It only takes 6-7 minutes. I explain more at http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm#JTC .

Evidently the sling shot theory is bullshit but ESA/Rosetta use it to steal money from European tax payers. Do not blame me!
What do ESA do with the money?

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Re: Rosetta's Philae probe makes historic landing on comet
« Reply #491 on: December 19, 2014, 04:39:59 AM »

Surely you know that such a calculation is highly dependent on the initial conditions of which you have only provided the mass of the spacecraft.  That being said, here is a link to a page which outlines the basics of the calculation:

http://www.mathpages.com/home/kmath114/kmath114.htm

I could also recommend the Kerbal Space Program.  It is apparently a fun simulator!

Finally, you might want to note, that unlike yourself, the engineers and scientists at ESA likely do not do their calculations in their head, but instead use computers giving their calculations a higher degree of reliability.

Any questions?

The only variables are mass of Sun, Earth and Heiwa and velocity/direction of Earth and Heiwa.

Like is said, you did not provide enough information.

[quite]The 2-D gravity assist kick or slingshot is evidently impossible as suggested in the link:

http://www.mathpages.com/home/kmath114/kmath114.htm[/quote]

Thanks for feeding my link back to me!

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Assume that Earth and Heiwa meet head on at normal space velocities and Heiwa turns 180° around Earth to proceed in same direction as Earth. Earth is moving at 28 900 m/s speed around Sun in one direction and say that Heiwa has speed 11 100 m/s in its orbit around Sun in the other direction and that they happen to meet in space. Pls explain how Earth can catch Heiwa and sling Heiwa around 180° so that Heiwa becomes speed 68900 m/s, while remaining in the 2-D plane.

Using my head calculations I find that Earth and Heiwa pass each other at 40 000 m/s relative speed and that there is little time for sling shots unless, unlikely, Heiwa hits Earth  and crashes. Earth gravity may affect the direction of Heiwa a little, up or down out of the 2-D plane, but not 180° in the 2-D plane. Space is 3-D.

Your complaint is that there is not enough time to steer?  Sounds like an engineering problem that has a solution but not impossible.

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The Rosetta program was invented in 1993 and evidently they had computers then and could do the calculations. But it was fantasy then and fantasy now and only sect members - true believers - troll around and suggest it is true.
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Re: Rosetta's Philae probe makes historic landing on comet
« Reply #492 on: December 19, 2014, 04:44:48 AM »
But it was fantasy then and fantasy now and only sect members - true believers - troll around and suggest it is true.
By "true believers" do you mean "pretty much everyone in the world"?

Your calculations are hilarious bullshit.  Why not use the real numbers?

28 900 m/s is the velocity of you, JTC, orbiting the Sun on planet Earth. Do not blame me! You are really fast spinning around the Sun. If something then approaches planet Earth in the opposite direction, e.g. 11 100 m/s (the Heiwa space craft), you and planet Earth will kick it around Earth 180° and sending it off in the opposite direction at almost 7 times higher speed. It only takes 6-7 minutes. I explain more at http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm#JTC .

Evidently the sling shot theory is bullshit but ESA/Rosetta use it to steal money from European tax payers. Do not blame me!
What do ESA do with the money?
What does ESA do with the money? They spend it! Tattoes. Visit to legal whore houses in Germany. Paying Babelsberg moviepeople. Playing theatre. Apart from normal running expenses of ESA doing nothing. I am amazed that they are allowed to rip us off like that. Reason is simple! It is politically correct to be ripped off. A majority supports ripping off the minority. I just watch the show. I evidently would prefer to watch a better show, but there is no choice.
 

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Re: Rosetta's Philae probe makes historic landing on comet
« Reply #493 on: December 19, 2014, 04:52:24 AM »

Your complaint is that there is not enough time to steer?  Sounds like an engineering problem that has a solution but not impossible.



No - a slingshot 180° change of direction + multiple speed increase free of charge in space takes just 6-7 minutes - http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm#JTC . It is pure pseudophysics.

BTW - what space sect do you belong to? NASA, ESA, or the Russians, Chinese, French, etc. space clowns. Please do not say you are Indian or Iranian.

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Re: Rosetta's Philae probe makes historic landing on comet
« Reply #494 on: December 19, 2014, 07:01:25 AM »

Your complaint is that there is not enough time to steer?  Sounds like an engineering problem that has a solution but not impossible.



No - a slingshot 180° change of direction + multiple speed increase free of charge in space takes just 6-7 minutes - http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm#JTC . It is pure pseudophysics.

I look forward to you presenting your argument as to why it is impossible.  All you have offered so far is incredulity, which is not an argument.

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BTW - what space sect do you belong to? NASA, ESA, or the Russians, Chinese, French, etc. space clowns. Please do not say you are Indian or Iranian.

What are you on about now?
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Re: Rosetta's Philae probe makes historic landing on comet
« Reply #495 on: December 19, 2014, 07:19:53 AM »
OK - big planet Earth is orbiting the Sun at constant speed v1 m/s and my tiny 3000 kg spacecraft Heiwa arrives towards Earth with speed v2 at a certain angle after having been kicked there by planet Mars. Sun, Earth, Mars and Heiwa are in the same plane. Now Earth shall kick Heiwa out of that plane towards comet 67P that is elliptically orbiting Sun in another plane.
Please advise what speed v3 and direction my space craft Heiwa shall be kicked to arrive close to 67P with not too much speed difference.
How is kinetic energy 1500(v2˛ - v3˛) transmitted between Earth and Heiwa and how do you adjust the direction? Does Earth's atmosphere and clouds in the way make task difficult?

You should know that there is far too little information in your problem to solve it.  You are an engineer right?  Or are you just looking for a general solution?

You should also know that if the part of the described scenario highlighted in bold were true, the underlined part is not possible. Do you know why?

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I am just interested in the velocity/direction of space craft Heiwa before (one vector) and after (another vector) the gravity assist kick carried out by planet Earth (and the Sun). Mass remains same.
It seems the moving Planet Earth gravity attracts moving Heiwa one way or another and then there is this magic kick - Heiwa changes speed and direction and carries on in a new orbit around the Sun - hopefully towards the comet.

No "magic kick" as a distinct event as you imply. The "kick" is happening the whole time "gravity attracts moving Heiwa"; speed and direction, i.e. velocity, is continually changing through the encounter.

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There are many unknowns here and I believe ESA lacks the equipment and know how to carry out a kick? If the direction is 1° wrong or the speed is 100 m/s to slow or fast you'll miss the target. And the staff looks hippie - too many kicks?

There are many parameters and some, comparatively small, unknowns here. Effects from the unknowns are corrected by planned steering maneuvers during the flight.

This paragraph reveals the actual problem: you're confusing what you believe with reality. For whatever reason, you seem to, erroneously, think you're the only one in the world who can understand this stuff. That explains a lot.

It looks like you're just making up numbers here. Do you actually know the fuel budget for steering maneuvers so you can determine  the largest correction that can be made? 

The staff looks like they enjoy what they do and have a sense of humor. Do you hate your own work? You sound jealous.
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Re: Rosetta's Philae probe makes historic landing on comet
« Reply #496 on: December 19, 2014, 09:13:17 AM »
Your complaint is that there is not enough time to steer?  Sounds like an engineering problem that has a solution but not impossible.
No - a slingshot 180° change of direction + multiple speed increase free of charge in space takes just 6-7 minutes - http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm#JTC . It is pure pseudophysics.
Just out of curiosity, when did NASA, or any other space agency, claim to have performed a 180 degree gravitational assist?  From what I can tell, that 180 degree example was shown as an extreme example, not as an historical one.
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Re: Rosetta's Philae probe makes historic landing on comet
« Reply #497 on: December 19, 2014, 11:08:46 AM »


No - a slingshot 180° change of direction + multiple speed increase free of charge in space takes just 6-7 minutes - http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm#JTC . It is pure pseudophysics.

1.I look forward to you presenting your argument as to why it is impossible.  All you have offered so far is incredulity, which is not an argument.

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BTW - what space sect do you belong to? NASA, ESA, or the Russians, Chinese, French, etc. space clowns. Please do not say you are Indian or Iranian.

2. What are you on about now?

1. I evidently present my information at my popular web page. You have to study it. If you do not understand copy/paste the relevant part, etc.

2. It is a question! Rama Set? Indian, Iranian, Pakistani?

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Re: Rosetta's Philae probe makes historic landing on comet
« Reply #498 on: December 19, 2014, 11:17:25 AM »
No "magic kick" as a distinct event as you imply. The "kick" is happening the whole time "gravity attracts moving Heiwa"; speed and direction, i.e. velocity, is continually changing through the encounter.

That is evident: Sun interacts with planets orbiting it. Sun and planets also interact with Heiwa space craft (and other objects) flying around them. The interaction apparently becomes useful at close encounters - kicks - and I just propose that ESA fakes it ... every time. I explain more at my popular web page. Astrophysics seems to be like football. Overpaid players kick a ball around in front of viewers having nothing else to do. 

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Re: Rosetta's Philae probe makes historic landing on comet
« Reply #499 on: December 19, 2014, 11:35:10 AM »
Your complaint is that there is not enough time to steer?  Sounds like an engineering problem that has a solution but not impossible.
No - a slingshot 180° change of direction + multiple speed increase free of charge in space takes just 6-7 minutes - http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm#JTC . It is pure pseudophysics.
Just out of curiosity, when did NASA, or any other space agency, claim to have performed a 180 degree gravitational assist?  From what I can tell, that 180 degree example was shown as an extreme example, not as an historical one.

Thanks for being curious. As far as I am concerned neither NASA nor any other space agency claim to have performed a 180° sling shot, but if you ask them they refer to it as a fact.
So in my analysis at my popular web page of such a manoeuver using moving Earth in orbit around Sun as (moving) base for the sling shot with some object (the Heiwa spacecraft) arriving in the opposite direction at 700 000 m altitude above Earth with a certain velocity will result in the Heiwa spacecraft doing a 180° turn at 700 000 m altitude, while accelerating to 6-7 times higher speed, and then leaving Earth again in the same direction of the moving Earth.
The Heiwa space craft will not be directed down to crash on Earth producing a ground zero or heiwa somewhere, it will not continue to orbit Earth like any satellite, it will not be sent away in any other direction than a 180° sling shot (e.g. a 150° slingshot), etc, etc.
You appear to have fallen in trance in front of a guru of some criminal sect (read NASA/ESA & Co) selling snake oil that cures everything.
Hopefully by studying my popular web page you will be cured. 

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Re: Rosetta's Philae probe makes historic landing on comet
« Reply #500 on: December 19, 2014, 11:38:59 AM »


No - a slingshot 180° change of direction + multiple speed increase free of charge in space takes just 6-7 minutes - http://heiwaco.com/moontravel.htm#JTC . It is pure pseudophysics.

1.I look forward to you presenting your argument as to why it is impossible.  All you have offered so far is incredulity, which is not an argument.

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BTW - what space sect do you belong to? NASA, ESA, or the Russians, Chinese, French, etc. space clowns. Please do not say you are Indian or Iranian.

2. What are you on about now?

1. I evidently present my information at my popular web page. You have to study it. If you do not understand copy/paste the relevant part, etc.

I will not be going to your website because of the malware warnings, as has been presented to you for about 3 years.

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2. It is a question! Rama Set? Indian, Iranian, Pakistani?

I know it is a question, I just don't understand what you are talking about.  Being clever is only effective when one understands it.
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Re: Rosetta's Philae probe makes historic landing on comet
« Reply #501 on: December 19, 2014, 11:45:52 AM »
No "magic kick" as a distinct event as you imply. The "kick" is happening the whole time "gravity attracts moving Heiwa"; speed and direction, i.e. velocity, is continually changing through the encounter.

That is evident: Sun interacts with planets orbiting it. Sun and planets also interact with Heiwa space craft (and other objects) flying around them. The interaction apparently becomes useful at close encounters - kicks - and I just propose that ESA fakes it ... every time. I explain more at my popular web page.

Great. Please summarize the relevant part here for everyone's convenience.

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Astrophysics seems to be like football. Overpaid players kick a ball around in front of viewers having nothing else to do.

This is astrodynamics. Astrophysics is different.

No other objections to my last post? You didn't answer any of the questions there. Here they are, paraphrased:
 - Are you stumped why your scenario can't work as described?
 - Do you have calculations that show how large a course correction Rosetta can make, based on its mass and fuel budget?
 - Do you envy the ESA scientists and engineers because of their casual dress code? Do you hate your own job?
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Re: Rosetta's Philae probe makes historic landing on comet
« Reply #502 on: December 19, 2014, 12:18:30 PM »

 - Do you envy the ESA scientists and engineers because of their casual dress code? Do you hate your own job?

Two OT questions. One answer. I envy and hate nobody/nothing being generously paid by the Heiwa foundation, Vaduz, Lichtenstein, to enlighten the public about peace (heiwa) on Earth and stupid propaganda blinding many poor persons of Earth. Human space travel is impossible and ICBMs do not work either as they will burn up on re-entry, atomic bombs also do not work, etc, etc.
I feel sorry for those many Americans wasting many years paying expensive college/university courses just learning propaganda and pseudosciences and then getting stupid jobs (or what you can call it) lying and cheating. They really hate me after having studied my web pages. Why aren't they getting happy instead? So they can stop cheat and lie.

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Re: Rosetta's Philae probe makes historic landing on comet
« Reply #503 on: December 19, 2014, 12:27:37 PM »

 - Do you envy the ESA scientists and engineers because of their casual dress code? Do you hate your own job?

Two OT questions. One answer. I envy and hate nobody/nothing being generously paid by the Heiwa foundation, Vaduz, Lichtenstein, to enlighten the public about peace (heiwa) on Earth and stupid propaganda blinding many poor persons of Earth. Human space travel is impossible and ICBMs do not work either as they will burn up on re-entry, atomic bombs also do not work, etc, etc.
I feel sorry for those many Americans wasting many years paying expensive college/university courses just learning propaganda and pseudosciences and then getting stupid jobs (or what you can call it) lying and cheating. They really hate me after having studied my web pages. Why aren't they getting happy instead? So they can stop cheat and lie.

So no answers to the on-topic questions?
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Re: Rosetta's Philae probe makes historic landing on comet
« Reply #504 on: December 19, 2014, 12:37:45 PM »

 - Do you envy the ESA scientists and engineers because of their casual dress code? Do you hate your own job?

Two OT questions. One answer. I envy and hate nobody/nothing being generously paid by the Heiwa foundation, Vaduz, Lichtenstein, to enlighten the public about peace (heiwa) on Earth and stupid propaganda blinding many poor persons of Earth. Human space travel is impossible and ICBMs do not work either as they will burn up on re-entry, atomic bombs also do not work, etc, etc.
I feel sorry for those many Americans wasting many years paying expensive college/university courses just learning propaganda and pseudosciences and then getting stupid jobs (or what you can call it) lying and cheating. They really hate me after having studied my web pages. Why aren't they getting happy instead? So they can stop cheat and lie.
I feel sorry for people who are so ignorant that they can't enjoy the marvels that humans have created.
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inquisitive

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Re: Rosetta's Philae probe makes historic landing on comet
« Reply #505 on: December 19, 2014, 01:17:01 PM »

 - Do you envy the ESA scientists and engineers because of their casual dress code? Do you hate your own job?

Two OT questions. One answer. I envy and hate nobody/nothing being generously paid by the Heiwa foundation, Vaduz, Lichtenstein, to enlighten the public about peace (heiwa) on Earth and stupid propaganda blinding many poor persons of Earth. Human space travel is impossible and ICBMs do not work either as they will burn up on re-entry, atomic bombs also do not work, etc, etc.
I feel sorry for those many Americans wasting many years paying expensive college/university courses just learning propaganda and pseudosciences and then getting stupid jobs (or what you can call it) lying and cheating. They really hate me after having studied my web pages. Why aren't they getting happy instead? So they can stop cheat and lie.
Any links to people who actually agree with you and have recognised qualifications?

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Lemmiwinks

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Re: Rosetta's Philae probe makes historic landing on comet
« Reply #506 on: December 19, 2014, 01:33:46 PM »
I feel sorry for people who are so ignorant that they can't enjoy the marvels that humans have created.

these are exactly my feelings. I sit back and am proud and in awe of the achievements of the human race at times. It helps make up for how terrible we can be towards each other.

But, the flip side of these space conspiracies is that they can then pretend that humans arent that bad to each other, 9/11 was a government job for example. No group of people could be that terrible and if they could, then no government so bad as to not catch it. So I'll create a fantasy world that makes life more palatable to me.

Oh well, my screen saver is a mass of ESA and NASA photos that show me the beautiful side of our cleverness.
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Heiwa

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Re: Rosetta's Philae probe makes historic landing on comet
« Reply #507 on: December 19, 2014, 01:59:51 PM »
Any links to people who actually agree with you and have recognised qualifications?
Thanks for asking! My web page was just down loaded for 1 613 451st time and I receive plenty e-mails - most of them positive, etc. It seems I have a large following. One problem is MainStream Media, MSM. They never mention my good news.

I got into the good, true news business by looking into the M/S Estonia sinking in the Baltic 28 september 1994, reason being I assisted operating a large fleet of similar passenger ferries.

It was soon clear that three national authorities and their MSM were lying about everything about the sinking, the condition of the ship, responsibilities involved, etc. When I friendly pointed out all the errors and impossibilities and lies and deceptions of politicians, civil servants, journalists and a lot of spin doctors, I didn't become very popular among them. Only survivors and relatives of victims of the sinking liked me. I describe it on my web site. I was accused by stupid people of being a conspiracy theorist spreading rumours and lies of all kind. My mother became very unhappy. I didn't tell her that I was threatened to better shut up ... national security, etc, etc. People closer to the truth started to die suddenly, etc.

Luckily I live in fairly safe place with good friends around me so I continued to follow the Estonia scandal. I am just an observer with good knowledge about safety at sea and passenger ferry shipping.  I could not  abandon the survivors and relatives of victims that demanded truth. And there we are today 20 years later.

This space propaganda show is just a side line for me. People believe in space travel because MSM say it is true. I think I show that human space travel and similar (Rosetta) are impossible. It seems to upset many people. Like the atomic bomb lovers I upset pointing out that A- and H-bombs do not work. The A-bomb lovers are really upset that the military cannot wipe out Russia and kill 50 million people. I really feel sorry for such people.




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Lemmiwinks

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Re: Rosetta's Philae probe makes historic landing on comet
« Reply #508 on: December 19, 2014, 02:08:42 PM »
Any links to people who actually agree with you and have recognised qualifications?
Thanks for asking! My web page was just down loaded for 1 613 451st time and I receive plenty e-mails - most of them positive, etc. It seems I have a large following. One problem is MainStream Media, MSM. They never mention my good news.

I got into the good, true news business by looking into the M/S Estonia sinking in the Baltic 28 september 1994, reason being I assisted operating a large fleet of similar passenger ferries.

It was soon clear that three national authorities and their MSM were lying about everything about the sinking, the condition of the ship, responsibilities involved, etc. When I friendly pointed out all the errors and impossibilities and lies and deceptions of politicians, civil servants, journalists and a lot of spin doctors, I didn't become very popular among them. Only survivors and relatives of victims of the sinking liked me. I describe it on my web site. I was accused by stupid people of being a conspiracy theorist spreading rumours and lies of all kind. My mother became very unhappy. I didn't tell her that I was threatened to better shut up ... national security, etc, etc. People closer to the truth started to die suddenly, etc.

Luckily I live in fairly safe place with good friends around me so I continued to follow the Estonia scandal. I am just an observer with good knowledge about safety at sea and passenger ferry shipping.  I could not  abandon the survivors and relatives of victims that demanded truth. And there we are today 20 years later.

This space propaganda show is just a side line for me. People believe in space travel because MSM say it is true. I think I show that human space travel and similar (Rosetta) are impossible. It seems to upset many people. Like the atomic bomb lovers I upset pointing out that A- and H-bombs do not work. The A-bomb lovers are really upset that the military cannot wipe out Russia and kill 50 million people. I really feel sorry for such people.

So to answer Inquisitive's question, no websites or people that have recognized academic qualifications that link to your site or you as a source for valid scientific knowledge exist?
« Last Edit: December 19, 2014, 02:21:21 PM by Lemmiwinks »
I have 13 [academic qualifications] actually. I'll leave it up to you to guess which, or simply call me a  liar. Either is fine.

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inquisitive

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Re: Rosetta's Philae probe makes historic landing on comet
« Reply #509 on: December 19, 2014, 02:18:35 PM »
Any links to people who actually agree with you and have recognised qualifications?
Thanks for asking! My web page was just down loaded for 1 613 451st time and I receive plenty e-mails - most of them positive, etc. It seems I have a large following. One problem is MainStream Media, MSM. They never mention my good news.

I got into the good, true news business by looking into the M/S Estonia sinking in the Baltic 28 september 1994, reason being I assisted operating a large fleet of similar passenger ferries.

It was soon clear that three national authorities and their MSM were lying about everything about the sinking, the condition of the ship, responsibilities involved, etc. When I friendly pointed out all the errors and impossibilities and lies and deceptions of politicians, civil servants, journalists and a lot of spin doctors, I didn't become very popular among them. Only survivors and relatives of victims of the sinking liked me. I describe it on my web site. I was accused by stupid people of being a conspiracy theorist spreading rumours and lies of all kind. My mother became very unhappy. I didn't tell her that I was threatened to better shut up ... national security, etc, etc. People closer to the truth started to die suddenly, etc.

Luckily I live in fairly safe place with good friends around me so I continued to follow the Estonia scandal. I am just an observer with good knowledge about safety at sea and passenger ferry shipping.  I could not  abandon the survivors and relatives of victims that demanded truth. And there we are today 20 years later.

This space propaganda show is just a side line for me. People believe in space travel because MSM say it is true. I think I show that human space travel and similar (Rosetta) are impossible. It seems to upset many people. Like the atomic bomb lovers I upset pointing out that A- and H-bombs do not work. The A-bomb lovers are really upset that the military cannot wipe out Russia and kill 50 million people. I really feel sorry for such people.
So no agreements on space travel.  Many have no knowledge of MSM.