Rosetta's Philae probe makes historic landing on comet

In before flatorange:

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/nov/12/rosetta-mission-philae-historic-landing-comet

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What a complete load of nonsense!

Hilarious video outlining The Plan:

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You are free to believe this insanity, but you might end up like this sad loser:

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The only surprise here is that it took this thread so long to show up.

The only surprise here is that it took this thread so long to show up.

I was surprised too. Can someone phone flatorange to make sure he's ok?

Seriously though, they are really taking the **** now. I can't wait to see what they "achieve" next. A live feed from inside a black hole? Time travel? We live in an exciting time.

Quote from: Alpha2Omega on November 12, 2014, 12:14:43 PM

The only surprise here is that it took this thread so long to show up.

I was surprised too. Can someone phone flatorange to make sure he's ok?

Seriously though, they are really take the **** now. I can't wait to see what they "achieve" next. A live feed from inside a black hole? Time travel? We live in an exciting time.

Argument from personal credulity -and- a variant on the slippery slope fallacy.  Well played sir.  Taking fallacious criticism to a whole new level.

Quote from: legion on November 12, 2014, 12:18:07 PM

Quote from: Alpha2Omega on November 12, 2014, 12:14:43 PM

The only surprise here is that it took this thread so long to show up.

I was surprised too. Can someone phone flatorange to make sure he's ok?

Seriously though, they are really take the **** now. I can't wait to see what they "achieve" next. A live feed from inside a black hole? Time travel? We live in an exciting time.

Argument from personal credulity -and- a variant on the slippery slope fallacy.  Well played sir.  Taking fallacious criticism to a whole new level.

Perhaps you would like to correct my alleged logical fallacies, Rama?

Quote from: Alpha2Omega on November 12, 2014, 12:14:43 PM

The only surprise here is that it took this thread so long to show up.

I was surprised too. Can someone phone flatorange to make sure he's ok?

Seriously though, they are really taking the **** now. I can't wait to see what they "achieve" next. A live feed from inside a black hole? Time travel? We live in an exciting time.

Who could have guessed that they would now go and land on a comet, ten years after launching a public mission to land on a comet

Maybe next they will have a spectacular failure, unless someone involved has a funny name, then that would have to be fake too

Quote from: Alpha2Omega on November 12, 2014, 12:14:43 PM

The only surprise here is that it took this thread so long to show up.

I was surprised too. Can someone phone flatorange to make sure he's ok?

Seriously though, they are really taking the **** now. I can't wait to see what they "achieve" next. A live feed from inside a black hole? Time travel? We live in an exciting time.

Thank you for your concern! It means a lot :-) I'm glad you made the thread
We landed on a comet it's not that crazy. Like the moon and mars only much smaller so the math had to be much more precise.

Who could have guessed that they would now go and land on a comet, ten years after launching a public mission to land on a comet

Maybe next they will have a spectacular failure, unless someone involved has a funny name, then that would have to be fake too

I see. So if a team goes on a mission to find Bigfoot, or a Yeti, or the Loch Ness Monster, you would expect them to succeed because they said that is what they are going to do? Righto.

Quote from: neimoka on November 12, 2014, 01:09:22 PM

Who could have guessed that they would now go and land on a comet, ten years after launching a public mission to land on a comet

Maybe next they will have a spectacular failure, unless someone involved has a funny name, then that would have to be fake too

I see. So if a team goes on a mission to find Bigfoot, or a Yeti, or the Loch Ness Monster, you would expect them to succeed because they said that is what they are going to do? Righto.

If bigfoot's whereabouts had been conclusively confirmed by several independent researchers half a century ago I'd expect that someone might be able to find their way to that location, yes.

Quote from: legion on November 12, 2014, 12:18:07 PM

Quote from: Alpha2Omega on November 12, 2014, 12:14:43 PM

The only surprise here is that it took this thread so long to show up.

I was surprised too. Can someone phone flatorange to make sure he's ok?

Seriously though, they are really taking the **** now. I can't wait to see what they "achieve" next. A live feed from inside a black hole? Time travel? We live in an exciting time.

Thank you for your concern! It means a lot :-) I'm glad you made the thread
We landed on a comet it's not that crazy. Like the moon and mars only much smaller so the math had to be much more precise.

Glad to see you are well, flatorange. Do you have any information about the maths involved for this operation? I'm accused of suffering from personal incredulity, so getting the facts might cure me!

Quote from: Rama Set on November 12, 2014, 12:47:14 PM

Argument from personal credulity -and- a variant on the slippery slope fallacy.  Well played sir.  Taking fallacious criticism to a whole new level.

Perhaps you would like to correct my alleged logical fallacies, Rama?

Sure!  Your criticism of the videos amounted to:

In before flatorange:

What a complete load of nonsense!

Hilarious video outlining The Plan:

You are free to believe this insanity, but you might end up like this sad loser:

This is all argument from personal credulity.  All you have put forward is that it is wrong because you think it is nonsense.  Your argument can be discarded as fallacious based on this.

The variant on the slippery slope fallacy is:

I can't wait to see what they "achieve" next. A live feed from inside a black hole? Time travel? We live in an exciting time.

Now that I took a second look, this would be more properly classified as reductio ad absurdum. 

So, if I were you, I would start by basing an argument on the why and how you think this video is absurd.  Refer to established physical principles; published, qualified analysis and logical premises to make your argument.

I hope this was helpful.

So, it's nonsense because it's nonsense?  Got it.   

Quote from: legion on November 12, 2014, 01:04:13 PM

Quote from: Rama Set on November 12, 2014, 12:47:14 PM

Argument from personal credulity -and- a variant on the slippery slope fallacy.  Well played sir.  Taking fallacious criticism to a whole new level.

Perhaps you would like to correct my alleged logical fallacies, Rama?

Sure!  Your criticism of the videos amounted to:

Quote from: legion on November 12, 2014, 11:58:17 AM

In before flatorange:

What a complete load of nonsense!

Hilarious video outlining The Plan:

You are free to believe this insanity, but you might end up like this sad loser:

This is all argument from personal credulity.  All you have put forward is that it is wrong because you think it is nonsense.  Your argument can be discarded as fallacious based on this.

The variant on the slippery slope fallacy is:

Quote from: legion on November 12, 2014, 12:18:07 PM

I can't wait to see what they "achieve" next. A live feed from inside a black hole? Time travel? We live in an exciting time.

Now that I took a second look, this would be more properly classified as reductio ad absurdum. 

So, if I were you, I would start by basing an argument on the why and how you think this video is absurd.  Refer to established physical principles; published, qualified analysis and logical premises to make your argument.

I hope this was helpful.

1a. I'm not making a formal argument.
1b. I don't have any reliable information to form any premises.
1c. I cannot justify a conclusion due to 1b.

1a. I'm not making a formal argument.

But an argument nonetheless.  A fallacious one at that.

1b. I don't have any reliable information to form any premises.

I would suggest that this is a cognitive issue of your own and nothing to do with the sources you are or are not consulting.  That being said, you could have easily pointed out why the sources you cited were unreliable.

1c. I cannot justify a conclusion due to 1b.

Yet you drew one, so what does that tell us about you?

Quote from: legion on November 12, 2014, 01:54:12 PM

1a. I'm not making a formal argument.

But an argument nonetheless.  A fallacious one at that.

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1b. I don't have any reliable information to form any premises.

I would suggest that this is a cognitive issue of your own and nothing to do with the sources you are or are not consulting.  That being said, you could have easily pointed out why the sources you cited were unreliable.

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1c. I cannot justify a conclusion due to 1b.

Yet you drew one, so what does that tell us about you?

It tells us I am aware of the limitations of logic. Logic only works if we can verify that premises are true. I cannot do that, so therefore, formal logic is not applicable for this subject. To help you understand:

1. All martians are happy (are they? I've never met one).
2. Marty is a martian.
3. Therefore, Marty is happy.

So on what basis did you conclude that the videos were a complete load of nonsense?

So on what basis did you conclude that the videos were a complete load of nonsense?

Intuition and the implausibility of the whole thing. I've already admitted that I can form no logical argument to prove or disprove the tale. After your attacks on my logical fallacies, I sure hope you can prove your case...

Quote from: Alpha2Omega on November 12, 2014, 12:14:43 PM

The only surprise here is that it took this thread so long to show up.

I was surprised too. Can someone phone flatorange to make sure he's ok?

Seriously though, they are really taking the **** now. I can't wait to see what they "achieve" next. A live feed from inside a black hole? Time travel? We live in an exciting time.

I mean, that's what I don't get about you. Don't get me wrong, I do respect you in certain ways .. but why do you default to a glass half empty on the trust thing. I for one reserve judgement on the plausibility  of space travel and all that noise because I've never actually BEEN there, but there's a lot of supporting evidence outweighing the fakes. Far too large an outfit for a conspiracy in my books. Enough time has elapsed for whistleblowers. (I know some would say there have been, but they've never really been credible from what I've seen). It's the conspiracy that I find a little too far fetched, not space travel.

Scepticism is good, and healthy. Too much isn't in my opinion.

In before flatorange:

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/nov/12/rosetta-mission-philae-historic-landing-comet

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What a complete load of nonsense!

Hilarious video outlining The Plan:

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You are free to believe this insanity, but you might end up like this sad loser:

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Hahahaha, nice one, legion. I'm speechless. Well to be honest, I'm still laughing. That bozo in video 1 starts to laugh because he knows just how frigging stupid this all is.
Video 2 is laughable as hell. 35,000 mph and this silly probe lands on it. I mean, I thought comets had fiery tails and debris strewn around them, yet this thing manages to come up behind it, catch it whilst doing an armageddon spaceship style debris avoidance set of manoeuvres to land on it? 
All we need now is the twitter feed telling us it feels wonderful but is a bit scared on it's own and wishes another probe could be sent to keep it company. 

Video 3 with that dozy git shouting 'yes, yes'....I just don't know what to say.

You know what this is leading up to don't you?
In the not too distant future, maybe only a few years, if that - we are going to have the hero style armageddon trick pulled on us, where they will track an asteroid heading straight for us but luckily they already had a space ship ready with nukes and a top team of drilling astronauts who will blow it up. Or something along these lines.


I sincerely believe they would attempt to tell us the sun is burning out and they have sent a probe with a large matchstick attached to it to crash into it and re-ignite it....I shit you not - these bozo's would attempt that much bullshit and yet some of these on here would actually argue for it being true.

I'm beginning to wonder if planet of the Apes was true in the past where humans were simple animals on leashes, because I believe we are headed that way again and judging by the people that hang onto this absolute laughable fantasy stuff, we are doomed as a race....doomed. We don't stand a chance.

I don't know whether to just laugh my way through it until my demise comes or just sit in the corner combing my hair whilst watching the news in a trance, mumbling, "wow, oh wow, wow" then excitedly jump up - still coming my hair and shouting, " look, look, spaceships - planets - spacemen - woooohoooo."

If by chance there is some kind of god or higher being...please send me a sign that tells me that these people on here are just pretending they believe this shit.....please.
Don't torture me by making me believe these people are seriously arguing stuff like this as being true.

 

Quote from: legion on November 12, 2014, 12:18:07 PM

Quote from: Alpha2Omega on November 12, 2014, 12:14:43 PM

The only surprise here is that it took this thread so long to show up.

I was surprised too. Can someone phone flatorange to make sure he's ok?

Seriously though, they are really taking the **** now. I can't wait to see what they "achieve" next. A live feed from inside a black hole? Time travel? We live in an exciting time.

I mean, that's what I don't get about you. Don't get me wrong, I do respect you in certain ways .. but why do you default to a glass half empty on the trust thing. I for one reserve judgement on the plausibility  of space travel and all that noise because I've never actually BEEN there, but there's a lot of supporting evidence outweighing the fakes. Far too large an outfit for a conspiracy in my books. Enough time has elapsed for whistleblowers. (I know some would say there have been, but they've never really been credible from what I've seen). It's the conspiracy that I find a little too far fetched, not space travel.

Scepticism is good, and healthy. Too much isn't in my opinion.

How in the hell can a witness become credible against the system?
Any witness won't get the chance. And anyone getting any air time by any means will be labelled a fruit loop. Are you saying you can't see this happening?

How in the hell can a witness become credible against the system?
Any witness won't get the chance. And anyone getting any air time by any means will be labelled a fruit loop. Are you saying you can't see this happening?

On their own, sure they'd be called nutty. A mole could collect information, release it to the public. I mean, the script to the moon landing would be a good start. Of course if you just get on a soap box and proclaim things you'll be called a loud idiot. You need evidence to back up your claims. "body language" doesn't cut it. It's a start I suppose, but need something more concrete.

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 12, 2014, 03:26:25 PM

How in the hell can a witness become credible against the system?
Any witness won't get the chance. And anyone getting any air time by any means will be labelled a fruit loop. Are you saying you can't see this happening?

On their own, sure they'd be called nutty. A mole could collect information, release it to the public. I mean, the script to the moon landing would be a good start. Of course if you just get on a soap box and proclaim things you'll be called a loud idiot. You need evidence to back up your claims. "body language" doesn't cut it. It's a start I suppose, but need something more concrete.

How about they explain how they managed to get a craft to reach 35,000 mph to catch this comet, first of all. Any news on how they did this?

Quote from: Rama Set on November 12, 2014, 02:49:43 PM

So on what basis did you conclude that the videos were a complete load of nonsense?

Intuition and the implausibility of the whole thing. I've already admitted that I can form no logical argument to prove or disprove the tale. After your attacks on my logical fallacies, I sure hope you can prove your case...

Both of which are completely useless and unpersuasive.

I made no claim to prove. But, if I were to present a case I would probably use papers published by the ESA; videos and photos from the spacecraft; etc...

Quote from: Arith on November 12, 2014, 03:31:49 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 12, 2014, 03:26:25 PM

How in the hell can a witness become credible against the system?
Any witness won't get the chance. And anyone getting any air time by any means will be labelled a fruit loop. Are you saying you can't see this happening?

On their own, sure they'd be called nutty. A mole could collect information, release it to the public. I mean, the script to the moon landing would be a good start. Of course if you just get on a soap box and proclaim things you'll be called a loud idiot. You need evidence to back up your claims. "body language" doesn't cut it. It's a start I suppose, but need something more concrete.

How about they explain how they managed to get a craft to reach 35,000 mph to catch this comet, first of all. Any news on how they did this?

The same way all things increase their velocity: acceleration. This is remarkably easy in the absence of friction and in a weak gravitational field.

Quote from: FlatOrange on November 12, 2014, 01:22:45 PM

Quote from: legion on November 12, 2014, 12:18:07 PM

Quote from: Alpha2Omega on November 12, 2014, 12:14:43 PM

The only surprise here is that it took this thread so long to show up.

I was surprised too. Can someone phone flatorange to make sure he's ok?

Seriously though, they are really taking the **** now. I can't wait to see what they "achieve" next. A live feed from inside a black hole? Time travel? We live in an exciting time.

Thank you for your concern! It means a lot :-) I'm glad you made the thread
We landed on a comet it's not that crazy. Like the moon and mars only much smaller so the math had to be much more precise.

Glad to see you are well, flatorange. Do you have any information about the maths involved for this operation? I'm accused of suffering from personal incredulity, so getting the facts might cure me!

If you want to park your car in a field across the street, you can pretty much step on the gas and close your eyes and hop out when you get there, right?

If you want to park your car in a compact parking space downtown all of your calculations (how much distance till you make a turn, angle of turn, etc.) have to be much more precise.

Quote from: legion on November 12, 2014, 02:56:41 PM

Quote from: Rama Set on November 12, 2014, 02:49:43 PM

So on what basis did you conclude that the videos were a complete load of nonsense?

Intuition and the implausibility of the whole thing. I've already admitted that I can form no logical argument to prove or disprove the tale. After your attacks on my logical fallacies, I sure hope you can prove your case...

Both of which are completely useless and unpersuasive.

I made no claim to prove. But, if I were to present a case I would probably use papers published by the ESA; videos and photos from the spacecraft; etc...

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 12, 2014, 03:37:03 PM

Quote from: Arith on November 12, 2014, 03:31:49 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 12, 2014, 03:26:25 PM

How in the hell can a witness become credible against the system?
Any witness won't get the chance. And anyone getting any air time by any means will be labelled a fruit loop. Are you saying you can't see this happening?

On their own, sure they'd be called nutty. A mole could collect information, release it to the public. I mean, the script to the moon landing would be a good start. Of course if you just get on a soap box and proclaim things you'll be called a loud idiot. You need evidence to back up your claims. "body language" doesn't cut it. It's a start I suppose, but need something more concrete.

How about they explain how they managed to get a craft to reach 35,000 mph to catch this comet, first of all. Any news on how they did this?

The same way all things increase their velocity: acceleration. This is remarkably easy in the absence of friction and in a weak gravitational field.

So tell me then.

I'll tell you scepti. It is magic 

I'll tell you scepti. It is magic 

Excellent answer, hoppy. 

Quote from: Rama Set on November 12, 2014, 03:47:35 PM

Quote from: legion on November 12, 2014, 02:56:41 PM

Quote from: Rama Set on November 12, 2014, 02:49:43 PM

So on what basis did you conclude that the videos were a complete load of nonsense?

Intuition and the implausibility of the whole thing. I've already admitted that I can form no logical argument to prove or disprove the tale. After your attacks on my logical fallacies, I sure hope you can prove your case...

Both of which are completely useless and unpersuasive.

I made no claim to prove. But, if I were to present a case I would probably use papers published by the ESA; videos and photos from the spacecraft; etc...

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 12, 2014, 03:37:03 PM

Quote from: Arith on November 12, 2014, 03:31:49 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 12, 2014, 03:26:25 PM

How in the hell can a witness become credible against the system?
Any witness won't get the chance. And anyone getting any air time by any means will be labelled a fruit loop. Are you saying you can't see this happening?

On their own, sure they'd be called nutty. A mole could collect information, release it to the public. I mean, the script to the moon landing would be a good start. Of course if you just get on a soap box and proclaim things you'll be called a loud idiot. You need evidence to back up your claims. "body language" doesn't cut it. It's a start I suppose, but need something more concrete.

How about they explain how they managed to get a craft to reach 35,000 mph to catch this comet, first of all. Any news on how they did this?

The same way all things increase their velocity: acceleration. This is remarkably easy in the absence of friction and in a weak gravitational field.

So tell me then.

I already told you: they accelerated the spacecraft. What are you not understanding?

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 12, 2014, 04:06:30 PM

Quote from: Rama Set on November 12, 2014, 03:47:35 PM

Quote from: legion on November 12, 2014, 02:56:41 PM

Quote from: Rama Set on November 12, 2014, 02:49:43 PM

So on what basis did you conclude that the videos were a complete load of nonsense?

Intuition and the implausibility of the whole thing. I've already admitted that I can form no logical argument to prove or disprove the tale. After your attacks on my logical fallacies, I sure hope you can prove your case...

Both of which are completely useless and unpersuasive.

I made no claim to prove. But, if I were to present a case I would probably use papers published by the ESA; videos and photos from the spacecraft; etc...

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 12, 2014, 03:37:03 PM

Quote from: Arith on November 12, 2014, 03:31:49 PM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 12, 2014, 03:26:25 PM

How in the hell can a witness become credible against the system?
Any witness won't get the chance. And anyone getting any air time by any means will be labelled a fruit loop. Are you saying you can't see this happening?

On their own, sure they'd be called nutty. A mole could collect information, release it to the public. I mean, the script to the moon landing would be a good start. Of course if you just get on a soap box and proclaim things you'll be called a loud idiot. You need evidence to back up your claims. "body language" doesn't cut it. It's a start I suppose, but need something more concrete.

How about they explain how they managed to get a craft to reach 35,000 mph to catch this comet, first of all. Any news on how they did this?

The same way all things increase their velocity: acceleration. This is remarkably easy in the absence of friction and in a weak gravitational field.

So tell me then.

I already told you: they accelerated the spacecraft. What are you not understanding?

I haven't read up on this comet, so if you're game, I'll interrogate you. If not, I'll wait until someone has the info. You see, it makes me vomit and hurts my eyes to have to look at the explanations given out for this stuff in large amounts, so I'll get snippets by asking questions.

Ok, how far away was this comet when this little beast landed on it?

No. I'm done with you for now. It makes me vomit to deal with exceptionally lazy and repetitive people. Someone else will no doubt foolishly take the bait.