Simple Balloon "Rocket"...

We already explained gravity to you. Why don't you just pay attention. It actually explains why I didn't see a change in weight in my videos. You can't explain why. You can't explain why objects in free fall don't feel a force. Are you going to try? Forces can be felt. Depressure being a force should be felt. It should accelerate different masses differently. But that's not what is observed. Are you going to explain why?

Quote from: Rama Set on December 16, 2014, 07:01:59 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 16, 2014, 05:44:34 AM

I'm still waiting for the explanation in how I asked for it. Look back a little.
As for my part, I gave people what they asked for. If you don't accept it, tough.

Unlike you, I can go back through a thread and read it. 

The gravity equation has been explained simply:



On the left is F which stands for force, the force gravity exerts.  Simple enough.

On the right of the equation are a couple of terms which break down to this explanation:  Two masses attract each other(m₁m₂) at a specific rate (G) which gets weaker the further they are from one another (/d²)

It is that simple.

You want an experiment that could never ever be tampered with?  They don't exist.  You could not concoct one for anything.  However, there is an experiment which has been performed hundreds of thousands of times called the Cavendish experiment.  In essence, it hangs two masses close together and then measures if there is an attraction between them and if so, how much.  In variably there is an attraction and depending on the equipment used, you can get extremely precise readings of G, the gravitational constant.

There is also a prediction that this equation made based on the model we currently employ of the solar system.  Newton's equation successfully predicted the location of Neptune.  Astronomers were seeing odd movements in Uranus' orbit and so a mathematician go to crunching numbers and proposed that there might be a heretofore unseen planet causing it.  The astronomer told observers where to look and on what date and it was there! 

Now, good will has been flowing in your direction, so why don't you reciprocate?  Can you please take us through your denpressure formula now?  Or how about showing your calculations proving that a rocket must accelerate at 5km/s² to reach a speed in 17,000 km/h in 8 minutes?

EDIT: Fixed typos

I haven't made a formula for it. So how can it be tested?

Well, that's a relief! That old formula you gave clearly wouldn't work for denpressure, since it wouldn't work at all. It's good of you to outright state you don't have a formula for it instead of implying you do.

Progress!

Just use the same way you test things now by using atmospheric pressure as it's used. that's all you need to know.
You've been explained to as to how atmospheric pressure works on density.
Unless a smart arse wants to rig a decent equation up for it.

The simple thing is, atmospheric pressure acting on any dense matter pushed against it and taking up that space by compressing that matter out of the way of the objects surface area and volume, creating a push on push effect that determines the measured weight of that object upon man made scales.

Taking the pressure of 1kg per cm² or around 14.7 lbs per square inch.
Anyone wants to make a formula out of, then do so.

It's real and gravity isn't, so once people understand what the truth is, a lot more stuff will become much clearer.

It's real but can't be described, mathematically or otherwise?

I think I'll stick with gravity, thanks. It can at least be described and used to calculate useful things like weight given mass or density and volume, fall times, etc. It gives very accurate answers and is much simpler.

Edie: maybe omega can rig one up, he seems very smart.

Thanks for the compliment, but you're the self-professed and only expert on the topic of denpressure. I haven't a clue how such a thing would work. That's why I keep asking for specific details. All I've seen is evasion, hand waving, and double talk.

At least we know you've given up on devising a formula and have no intention of trying further. Your nominee went down in flames very quickly and you have, as usual, disavowed it.

I haven't made a formula for it. So how can it be tested?

It's more than clear by now that sceptimatic has become mentally deranged or is simply proven to be an inveterate liar—which is what I've claimed before.

He's now denying that he's made a "formula" for denpressure a few days ago, but to prove this a lie, I quote the following two comments of his:

F+fv+EV/DM*rM    There you go. There's my formula [for denpressure].

F is force.
fv is frequency of vibration
EV is expansion and volume

DM is density and mass
rM is resistance of mass.

It's now been shown that he's unable to make any sense of his own "formula" or describe its units or even how it works from a mathematical aspect. His proposed "formula" was nothing more than a meaningless collection of terms that made no logical sense, and which he couldn't even define.

DM was supposed to mean "density and mass" for example.  In actuality it's nothing more than two letters of the alphabet.  He may as well have said TG or AX or QQ.

Until he satisfactorily clarifies his "formula" for denpressure, I can only suggest that he's wasting his time repeatedly demanding we define the gravitational force equation—particularly as he's chosen to ignore any/all previous explanations.

Arguing with a liar is like arguing with a 3-year-old about candies.  It's a waste of time.

Has anyone checked to see if septic has formula in his bottle. Don't want the twit starving to death.

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 16, 2014, 09:13:38 AM

Of course anything that moves has to accelerate but that wasn't what I said. I said vertical acceleration for a ROCKET requires FULL thrust, as in, it requires FULL acceleration. It cannot just build up acceleration like a car or a plane can moving horizontally.

Why is a rocket different than a helicopter or Harrier jump jet?  Don't they all operate on the same fundamental principle of action/reaction?

A rocket is different for very obvious reasons. A rocket is basically a mechanically operated dart. It's specific operation is for vertical flight. It's specific goal is to achieve altitude by expending it's fuel to force it's own mass and the mass of its unburned fuel into the sky until that fuel stops creating the force required to keep it moving.
A rocket MUST achieve immediate acceleration to achieve constant speed until that fuel runs out.
A rocket will immediately lose vertical momentum if the fuel expended becomes less than it was to lift it off.

Basically if your rocket doesn't spring into the sky then it's a dud.
Any rocket that slowly lifts off, will be a wreckage of twisted and burned metal in short order.

Your helicopter and Harrier do not use full thrust to hover vertically and can stabilise using wing and tail flaps.
Your rocket has none of this. It achieves immediate acceleration and cannot achieve any more acceleration thereafter. It will be a constant speed after that until it runs out of propellant.

Anything you see on TV of slow moving lift off, of any so called space rocket, you are watching nothing more than a film of fantasy.

Any rocket you see  lifting off as I said they would; is REAL. It's as simple as that.

Quote from: markjo on December 16, 2014, 09:47:04 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 16, 2014, 09:13:38 AM

Of course anything that moves has to accelerate but that wasn't what I said. I said vertical acceleration for a ROCKET requires FULL thrust, as in, it requires FULL acceleration. It cannot just build up acceleration like a car or a plane can moving horizontally.

Why is a rocket different than a helicopter or Harrier jump jet?  Don't they all operate on the same fundamental principle of action/reaction?

There was another thread were his claims were debunked with numerous demonstrations of jump jets taking off.  He went quiet and dropped out the thread, now he pretends it never happened...

Who are you appealing to? who's internet coat tails are you tugging on?
Explain why instead of just jumping in with your silliness and hiding behind those that attempt to think.

As a model rocketeer, I have launched many small rockets that start off going slow and then accelerate up faster and faster just like how the NASA ones do.  So do my rockets disobey the laws of physics?

No, your rockets obey the laws of real physics as in, your rockets that lifted off like the NASA ones, fell back to the ground and blew up
If you mean they started off slow and then built up speed all the way into the sky, you're a liar and you know you are lying.

Let's say we have a rocket that has the engine power to accelerate at 15 m/s² without gravity and gravity is pulling down at 9.8 m/s².

Thrust - Gravity

The above equasion can be used to determine how fast a rocket is accelerating up, and with the values I previously specified it spits out 5.2 m/s², which could also be stated as 5.2 meters per second per second, which means that every second the rocket goes 5.2 meters per second faster then the second before.  Even if the thrust is always the same, the rocket will keep accelerating up.

Nope, it's not going to happen. No constant acceleration will ever be seen on a vertical flight. It's immediate acceleration and constant speed thereafter. No other way for a successful rocket flight, vertically.

Fun fact: as rockets fly, they burn fuel and in turn become lighter.  This means that the thrust to weight ratio is higher and the rocket accelerates faster.

Correct but you forget one massive factor. The fuel gets lighter but so does the atmosphere it is flying in. They simply work in unison and the rocket simply keeps a constant speed until , either it's fuuel runs out or the atmosphere becomes too thin for the burning fuel to acts against. Usually the fuel is burned up in less than a minute in any rocket, no matter what it is, on vertical flight.

I think you are getting mixed up between speed and acceleration.  Speed is how fast a thing is going and acceleration is how fast speed changes.  Gravity and rocket engines accelerate things at a (more or less) constant rate, and that means that the speed will just keep on changing unless acceleration is zero.

No. I'm only talking about immediate acceleration on lift off. After that there is no further acceleration, it simply becomes constant speed. Let's call it a jump start acceleration.

We already explained gravity to you. Why don't you just pay attention. It actually explains why I didn't see a change in weight in my videos. You can't explain why. You can't explain why objects in free fall don't feel a force. Are you going to try? Forces can be felt. Depressure being a force should be felt. It should accelerate different masses differently. But that's not what is observed. Are you going to explain why?

Explain what I asked for or just slip quietly away.

Here's a good read for you septic,the maths gets a bit out there but if you read the first chapter you may get the idea. If you answer back about this in less than a few hours then you have not read it. If you say it is all bullshit that just means that you are too dumb to understand it. have fun.

http://pepl.engin.umich.edu/pdf/2013_Shabshelowitz_thesis.pdf

don't try your normal bullshit,I have heard it all before.

I think I'll stick with gravity, thanks. It can at least be described and used to calculate useful things like weight given mass or density and volume, fall times, etc. It gives very accurate answers and is much simpler.

Thanks for the compliment, but you're the self-professed and only expert on the topic of denpressure. I haven't a clue how such a thing would work. That's why I keep asking for specific details. All I've seen is evasion, hand waving, and double talk.

At least we know you've given up on devising a formula and have no intention of trying further. Your nominee went down in flames very quickly and you have, as usual, disavowed it.

You stick to your gravity that cannot be explained. I'll stick to mine that can.
I could put up a formula for it but I would have to basically change everything to my way for it, discarding your gravity.
What would that gain?
You see, I could put out a 10 page equation/formula with diagrams and the time would be wasted because none of you people are ever going to say, " hmmm, yes it works and it kills gravity." Why?

Because you people live in space with your planets and my denpressure kills it all off.
None of you will ever understand a formula if you can't understand the actual logic and the basics of how denpressure works.

Gravity is stuck to (pun intended) because science gave you a formula and a reason for why it is what it is. Those reasons cannot be explained but it doesn't matter.
It's mass attracts mass and that's it. Things fall, in free fall at 9.81m/s/s and that's that. No reason why. No experiment that shows it to be true...no scientist knows what gravity is and yet it can all be worked out due to observation of planets. For crying out loud. 

Here's a good read for you septic,the maths gets a bit out there but if you read the first chapter you may get the idea. If you answer back about this in less than a few hours then you have not read it. If you say it is all bullshit that just means that you are too dumb to understand it. have fun.

http://pepl.engin.umich.edu/pdf/2013_Shabshelowitz_thesis.pdf

don't try your normal bullshit,I have heard it all before.

It's all files. Put up the main points yourself or I won't be reading it.

Too dumb A. Maybe you know it will prove you are full of shit.

Too dumb A. Maybe you know it will prove you are full of shit.

Stop yapping like a little girl for crying out loud. Post up the main points or sit in the corner and suck your thumb.

Quote from: guv on December 17, 2014, 03:54:02 AM

Here's a good read for you septic,the maths gets a bit out there but if you read the first chapter you may get the idea. If you answer back about this in less than a few hours then you have not read it. If you say it is all bullshit that just means that you are too dumb to understand it. have fun.

http://pepl.engin.umich.edu/pdf/2013_Shabshelowitz_thesis.pdf

don't try your normal bullshit,I have heard it all before.

It's all files. Put up the main points yourself or I won't be reading it.

What's the problem with reading it?

Quote from: sceptimatic on December 16, 2014, 09:02:03 AM

I haven't made a formula for it. So how can it be tested?

It's more than clear by now that sceptimatic has become mentally deranged or is simply proven to be an inveterate liar—which is what I've claimed before.

He's now denying that he's made a "formula" for denpressure a few days ago, but to prove this a lie, I quote the following two comments of his:

Quote

F+fv+EV/DM*rM    There you go. There's my formula [for denpressure].

Quote

F is force.
fv is frequency of vibration
EV is expansion and volume

DM is density and mass
rM is resistance of mass.

It's now been shown that he's unable to make any sense of his own "formula" or describe its units or even how it works from a mathematical aspect. His proposed "formula" was nothing more than a meaningless collection of terms that made no logical sense, and which he couldn't even define.

DM was supposed to mean "density and mass" for example.  In actuality it's nothing more than two letters of the alphabet.  He may as well have said TG or AX or QQ.

Until he satisfactorily clarifies his "formula" for denpressure, I can only suggest that he's wasting his time repeatedly demanding we define the gravitational force equation—particularly as he's chosen to ignore any/all previous explanations.

Arguing with a liar is like arguing with a 3-year-old about candies.  It's a waste of time.

This says it all and saves me typing.

If this sort of childish rubbish is the best poor old sceptimatic can post, then there's not much hope for him in the adult world LOL...

Stop yapping like a little girl for crying out loud. Post up the main points or sit in the corner and suck your thumb.

At least we've conclusively called his bluff by asking him to define his "formula" for "denpressure".  He's tried to avoid responding to questions about it for days now, so it's all becoming a rather sad little effort on his part.

One of the problems for inveterate liars is that they all too often forget what lies they've told in the past, as sceptimatic has frequently.

He's lied about his "academic" qualifications—13 of them—and the dozen books he's "written", and about being a "scientist" and a "genius", and an inventor with dozens of "patents" to his name.  He's also lied about owning a helicopter and a jet plane, and having licenses for both.  And his father being a renowned North Korean scientist.  What next... a personal friend of Kim Jong-un?

Here you go septic merry Xmas, this may help with your dunny pressure sums.

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Hope it helps man, not a lot of fun conversing with a total ejit.

Here you go septic merry Xmas, this may help with your dunny pressure sums.

 Bored with Algebra?  Confused by Algebra?  Hate Algebra?  Yeah, Coolmath can fix that.  Totally dig Algebra?  What to get ahead in Algebra?  Need to review your Algebra?  Yep, Coolmath is here for that too!
Coolmath Algebra has a ton of really easy to follow lessons and examples (below) that will make you a successful algebra student.

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Hope it helps man, not a lot of fun conversing with a total ejit.

The only issue I foresee is that sceptimatic won't be able to comprehend even the most basic of algebraic theories.  Therefore, your linked site is gonna be all Christmas wrapping but no present.

The only thing that could make sceptimatic a "successful" algebra student would be a brain transplant.   

Quote from: Alpha2Omega on December 16, 2014, 04:49:29 PM

I think I'll stick with gravity, thanks. It can at least be described and used to calculate useful things like weight given mass or density and volume, fall times, etc. It gives very accurate answers and is much simpler.

Thanks for the compliment, but you're the self-professed and only expert on the topic of denpressure. I haven't a clue how such a thing would work. That's why I keep asking for specific details. All I've seen is evasion, hand waving, and double talk.

At least we know you've given up on devising a formula and have no intention of trying further. Your nominee went down in flames very quickly and you have, as usual, disavowed it.

You stick to your gravity that cannot be explained. I'll stick to mine that can.
I could put up a formula for it but I would have to basically change everything to my way for it, discarding your gravity.
What would that gain?
You see, I could put out a 10 page equation/formula with diagrams and the time would be wasted because none of you people are ever going to say, " hmmm, yes it works and it kills gravity." Why?

Because you people live in space with your planets and my denpressure kills it all off.
None of you will ever understand a formula if you can't understand the actual logic and the basics of how denpressure works.

Gravity is stuck to (pun intended) because science gave you a formula and a reason for why it is what it is. Those reasons cannot be explained but it doesn't matter.
It's mass attracts mass and that's it. Things fall, in free fall at 9.81m/s/s and that's that. No reason why. No experiment that shows it to be true...no scientist knows what gravity is and yet it can all be worked out due to observation of planets. For crying out loud. 

Your prejudgment and defensiveness belies a fear of something; perhaps of ridicule, perhaps of failing, it is tough to say. Regardless, nothing will ever come of denpressure while you are too scared to let others put it to the test. At some point you will have to open it up to outside criticism and I look forward to that day.

Your prejudgment and defensiveness belies a fear of something; perhaps of ridicule, perhaps of failing, it is tough to say. Regardless, nothing will ever come of denpressure while you are too scared to let others put it to the test. At some point you will have to open it up to outside criticism and I look forward to that day.

Denpressure will always be my theory. It would never be accepted even if a formula for it was produced.
It goes against the indoctrinated view and will remain just a silly saying to those that will never take the time to understand the basics of it.

Gravity will always win. Gravity has to win or the whole system collapses like a pack of cards and the ruse would be up, so it's not going to happen and I'm well aware of that.

Denpressure is the reason why this Earth is what it is and does what it does, 100%.

Quote from: Rama Set on December 17, 2014, 07:28:49 AM

Your prejudgment and defensiveness belies a fear of something; perhaps of ridicule, perhaps of failing, it is tough to say. Regardless, nothing will ever come of denpressure while you are too scared to let others put it to the test. At some point you will have to open it up to outside criticism and I look forward to that day.

Denpressure will always be my theory. It would never be accepted even if a formula for it was produced.
It goes against the indoctrinated view and will remain just a silly saying to those that will never take the time to understand the basics of it.

Gravity will always win. Gravity has to win or the whole system collapses like a pack of cards and the ruse would be up, so it's not going to happen and I'm well aware of that.

Denpressure is the reason why this Earth is what it is and does what it does, 100%.

No scepti, its not.

Look, this is the way science works.

You make an observation, in this case denpressure. You layout your claims which you have done. Then you test your claims and see if they support your claims.

We have used a vacuum chamber to show you weight doesn't change in a vacuum, we have practically begged you to provide an equation for denpressure so we could plug in some numbers and see if the numbers it spits out are what can be observed in reality and you cant, we have shown multiple hypotheticals that even before the testing phase blow holes in your theory.

I get it, the scientific community needs people with your willingness to look outside the box for theories, to question everything is the greatest trait of a scientist. However, you lack the other half of what makes a great scientist; the will to let your theory's go when they are proven wrong time and again.

You are wrong, if you produced an equation that spit out things observable in the real world I would be the first to take a long hard second look at your theory.

But you cant, and your weak attempts to claim that understanding math and physics is "indoctrination" is just a defense mechanism to cover the fact that you have indoctrinated yourself and are terrified to let your delusion go.

High School trig proves the world is round, high school trig proves the sun is millions upon millions of miles away, a hundred dollar telescope would prove the ISS is real, going to a lab with an accurate scale and asking politely to use their vacuum chamber to test a theory would prove air pressure has nothing to do with holding items down or weight.

Don't sit here and claim that because we believe that numbers do not lie that we are indoctrinated, out of the people in this debate you are the only person operating on blind faith and indoctrination.

Don't sit here and claim that because we believe that numbers do not lie that we are indoctrinated, out of the people in this debate you are the only person operating on blind faith and indoctrination.

sceptimatic's also the only person in this debate with an IQ in double digits.   

You make an observation, in this case denpressure. You layout your claims which you have done. Then you test your claims and see if they support your claims.

I have tested it all and it's true. I've done all the tests and that's why I know it's all true. Any genuine person can do all the tests abnd find it's all true. Unfortunately there are too many liars among you. Not saying you are one but tehre's a good few.

We have used a vacuum chamber to show you weight doesn't change in a vacuum, we have practically begged you to provide an equation for denpressure so we could plug in some numbers and see if the numbers it spits out are what can be observed in reality and you cant, we have shown multiple hypotheticals that even before the testing phase blow holes in your theory.

No, you have used a lie by a person who is untrustworthy, who wouldn't follow the plan.

I get it, the scientific community needs people with your willingness to look outside the box for theories, to question everything is the greatest trait of a scientist. However, you lack the other half of what makes a great scientist; the will to let your theory's go when they are proven wrong time and again.

No, the scientific community don't need anyone like me. They need people who can aid them in in keeping up a ruse which is why free energy is not given to us because it's all about control and power.

You are wrong, if you produced an equation that spit out things observable in the real world I would be the first to take a long hard second look at your theory.

If you were that truthful you would try and understand denpressure instead of taking every opportunity to attempt to ridicule it, aided by a posse of other globalists.
If you understood it then you could test it out and prove it to yourself. Will you? Like shite you will.

But you cant, and your weak attempts to claim that understanding math and physics is "indoctrination" is just a defense mechanism to cover the fact that you have indoctrinated yourself and are terrified to let your delusion go.

You don't need equations to understand it. You only need them when putting it to use. Strangely it's in use every day but masked by bullshit gravity.

High School trig proves the world is round, high school trig proves the sun is millions upon millions of miles away, a hundred dollar telescope would prove the ISS is real, going to a lab with an accurate scale and asking politely to use their vacuum chamber to test a theory would prove air pressure has nothing to do with holding items down or weight.

Trig does not prove anything about the sun or the Earth or anything else like that. It can prove stuff on Earth when used for Earth going things.
The rest of it is bullshit, where so called planets are concerned.

Don't sit here and claim that because we believe that numbers do not lie that we are indoctrinated, out of the people in this debate you are the only person operating on blind faith and indoctrination.

You are indoctrinated, severely. So severely that as an adult it's masked your ability to actually rid yourself of the santa claus syndrome.
If you gave yourself a small amount of time to genuinely look at this stuff in a real light, you would see it for what it is. Clap trap.

Quote from: Alpha2Omega on December 16, 2014, 04:49:29 PM

I think I'll stick with gravity, thanks. It can at least be described and used to calculate useful things like weight given mass or density and volume, fall times, etc. It gives very accurate answers and is much simpler.

Thanks for the compliment, but you're the self-professed and only expert on the topic of denpressure. I haven't a clue how such a thing would work. That's why I keep asking for specific details. All I've seen is evasion, hand waving, and double talk.

At least we know you've given up on devising a formula and have no intention of trying further. Your nominee went down in flames very quickly and you have, as usual, disavowed it.

You stick to your gravity that cannot be explained. I'll stick to mine that can.
I could put up a formula for it but I would have to basically change everything to my way for it, discarding your gravity.
What would that gain?
You see, I could put out a 10 page equation/formula with diagrams and the time would be wasted because none of you people are ever going to say, " hmmm, yes it works and it kills gravity." Why?

Because you people live in space with your planets and my denpressure kills it all off.
None of you will ever understand a formula if you can't understand the actual logic and the basics of how denpressure works.

Gravity is stuck to (pun intended) because science gave you a formula and a reason for why it is what it is. Those reasons cannot be explained but it doesn't matter.
It's mass attracts mass and that's it. Things fall, in free fall at 9.81m/s/s and that's that. No reason why. No experiment that shows it to be true...no scientist knows what gravity is and yet it can all be worked out due to observation of planets. For crying out loud. 

Magnetism can't be explained either, but it obviously exists.  If gravity was part of a conspiracy then don't you think they would make up an explenation for it?  The reason that gravity is so widely accepted is because it explains the motion of planets, gravity strength differences on Earth, tides, and many other things that denpressure does not.

Denpressure does not explain why things fall in a vacuum and get lighter when submerged in water, yet this stuff happens.  Denpressure doesn't even make any sense because it suggests that air really likes to push things down but not any other direction and and it pushes all objects at a constant rate despise different objects having different aerodynamic properties.  Denpressure is no more then speculation while gravity is a law that has been proven over and over.

Magnetism can't be explained either, but it obviously exists.  If gravity was part of a conspiracy then don't you think they would make up an explenation for it?

Denpressure easily explains magnetism but you people can't grasp denpressure in basic form so you're hardly going to understand magnetism.

  The reason that gravity is so widely accepted is because it explains the motion of planets, gravity strength differences on Earth, tides, and many other things that denpressure does not.

Yes it explains them because it's made to explain them by bullshit, nothing more, nothing less.

Denpressure does not explain why things fall in a vacuum and get lighter when submerged in water, yet this stuff happens.

Nothing falls in a vacuum. We can't make one so this point is pointless.
And things don't get lighter when submerged in water. Do your homework.

 

Denpressure doesn't even make any sense because it suggests that air really likes to push things down but not any other direction and and it pushes all objects at a constant rate despise different objects having different aerodynamic properties.

It doesn't push anything down. Dense objects push against pressure. It's the object pushing against the ground into the atmosphere that creates it's measured weight, if placed on a measuring scale.

  Denpressure is no more then speculation while gravity is a law that has been proven over and over.

Denpressure is reality. Gravity is 100% clap trap.

Is denpressure.. falsifiable?

Quote from: Lemmiwinks on December 17, 2014, 08:04:11 AM

You make an observation, in this case denpressure. You layout your claims which you have done. Then you test your claims and see if they support your claims.

I have tested it all and it's true. I've done all the tests and that's why I know it's all true. Any genuine person can do all the tests abnd find it's all true. Unfortunately there are too many liars among you. Not saying you are one but tehre's a good few.

Quote from: Lemmiwinks on December 17, 2014, 08:04:11 AM

We have used a vacuum chamber to show you weight doesn't change in a vacuum, we have practically begged you to provide an equation for denpressure so we could plug in some numbers and see if the numbers it spits out are what can be observed in reality and you cant, we have shown multiple hypotheticals that even before the testing phase blow holes in your theory.

No, you have used a lie by a person who is untrustworthy, who wouldn't follow the plan.

Quote from: Lemmiwinks on December 17, 2014, 08:04:11 AM

I get it, the scientific community needs people with your willingness to look outside the box for theories, to question everything is the greatest trait of a scientist. However, you lack the other half of what makes a great scientist; the will to let your theory's go when they are proven wrong time and again.

No, the scientific community don't need anyone like me. They need people who can aid them in in keeping up a ruse which is why free energy is not given to us because it's all about control and power.

Quote from: Lemmiwinks on December 17, 2014, 08:04:11 AM

You are wrong, if you produced an equation that spit out things observable in the real world I would be the first to take a long hard second look at your theory.

If you were that truthful you would try and understand denpressure instead of taking every opportunity to attempt to ridicule it, aided by a posse of other globalists.
If you understood it then you could test it out and prove it to yourself. Will you? Like shite you will.

Quote from: Lemmiwinks on December 17, 2014, 08:04:11 AM

But you cant, and your weak attempts to claim that understanding math and physics is "indoctrination" is just a defense mechanism to cover the fact that you have indoctrinated yourself and are terrified to let your delusion go.

You don't need equations to understand it. You only need them when putting it to use. Strangely it's in use every day but masked by bullshit gravity.

Quote from: Lemmiwinks on December 17, 2014, 08:04:11 AM

High School trig proves the world is round, high school trig proves the sun is millions upon millions of miles away, a hundred dollar telescope would prove the ISS is real, going to a lab with an accurate scale and asking politely to use their vacuum chamber to test a theory would prove air pressure has nothing to do with holding items down or weight.

Trig does not prove anything about the sun or the Earth or anything else like that. It can prove stuff on Earth when used for Earth going things.
The rest of it is bullshit, where so called planets are concerned.

Quote from: Lemmiwinks on December 17, 2014, 08:04:11 AM

Don't sit here and claim that because we believe that numbers do not lie that we are indoctrinated, out of the people in this debate you are the only person operating on blind faith and indoctrination.

You are indoctrinated, severely. So severely that as an adult it's masked your ability to actually rid yourself of the santa claus syndrome.
If you gave yourself a small amount of time to genuinely look at this stuff in a real light, you would see it for what it is. Clap trap.

Nothing falls in a vacuum. We can't make one so this point is pointless.
And things don't get lighter when submerged in water. Do your homework.

If you do not believe that humans can create a vacuum, which is startling to me. Then why not go to a vacuum chamber, step inside and have them turn it on. Nothing will happen if you are right.

I cannot in good conscious believe that you do not think humans can create a vacuum. We can create metals that withstand bombs and other tremendous force, and all creating a vacuum is is sucking the gasses out of a space. Do you think in 2014 we do not possess a Hoover strong enough to suck the vast majority of gasses out of a space?

However, lets go along with your hypothesis that all human technology is smoke and mirrors and held together with duct tape. Even if said lab could remove half the air pressure from a room, or even a 1/16th of the pressure, then you would see an equal drop in the items weight under denpressure. Not a perfect vacuum, since you think we don't have the knowledge to do those but still able to prove or disprove your theory. So its hard for me to sit back and discard a vacuum chamber experiment when even a partial vacuum would provide the proof needed.

I am being truthful, I am trying to understand denpressure by asking for the math behind it. That is how I understand things, if I didn't care then I wouldn't ask for the math.

To say I don't need equations to understand it is the same as a person telling me that God works in mysterious ways and to just have faith and never question him ever. That kind of thinking led to the dark ages.

Speaking of math, how could you say that trig doesn't prove anything with the sun or earth? It most certainly does. It doesn't stop working just because the thing is far away. You could from New Jersey look at the New World Trade Center Tower in New York City, measure the angle and as long as you know the distance to the base of the vertical you are observing know the height of it to within inches.

Again, I do not see how knowing that math is the true language of the universe and understanding it means I am indoctrinated. You presented a theory that under every test we have performed fails, and I have a theory that has an equation that under virtually all circumstances has stood up to the tests thrown at it for a few hundred years.

Hell man, if you know the Truth(tm) then why havent you written a book about it, even if its only published online. I can tell you I would be the first person to read it.

There is a formula,

F+fv+EV/DM*rM

There you go. There's my formula.

F is force.
fv is frequency of vibration
EV is expansion and volume

DM is density and mass
rM is resistance of mass.

I gave people what they asked for. If you don't accept it, tough.

but now there isn't.

I haven't made a formula for it. So how can it be tested?

Denpressure will always be my theory. It would never be accepted even if a formula for it was produced.

I'll stick to mine that can.
I could put up a formula for it but I would have to basically change everything to my way for it, discarding your gravity.

Scepti, did you provide a formula for denpressure?  Yes or no.

Is denpressure.. falsifiable?

Yes it is.