Simple Balloon "Rocket"...

Quote from: neimoka on November 16, 2014, 10:13:29 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 16, 2014, 10:11:23 AM

That's all it is. Action whether you're kicking the air, flapping wings or igniting a thrusting flame. It creates a reaction to that action in equal measures and you move. There's not a thing on Earth that happens without it.

Tell more of this 'thrusting flame'. Is it like on a welding torch perchance?

Ever seen an aerosol whizz about when it's been set alight?
Are you gonna tell me that it's combustion chamber is making it do that?

Pressurized content of the aerosol can escaping the ruptured can at high velocity is making it do that. If the content manages to ignite while still in the can, the can becomes a combustion chamber. The can's content burning up after having escaped the can isn't doing anything to propel it. Can you answer why the water bottle rocket doesn't work without the water in it?

How about aircraft falling down at 9.81m/s, such as 'the vomit comet'? The air inside the aircraft is moving along with the aircraft, what makes people and things in the plane become apparently weightless? There's still air around them.. shouldn't it press them firmly down?

Another thing I'm interested in, when an object moves - like a ball thrown up, or whatever - is the pressure on the rear-facing side of it higher or lower than normal atmospheric pressure?

And this 'equalizing around and under' is at the same time accelerating it up, and pushing it down?

Try not to ignore the nergy applied to the ball, as in you throwing it up. The energy you apply and the density of the ball, determines how much air you compress. That compression of air has to be pushed around the ball. Because you threw the ball up, you created a lower pressure under that ball due to compressing the air above that ball. That air then cannot stack on that ball due to the open space you threw it in, so it is pushed around the ball, or to make it simple. It springs back into shape at speed around the ball to equalise the lower pressure under that ball you created by throwing it. Once that energy is resisted by that compression, that last compression forces that ball back down against the last low pressure created and now the opposite effect happens, where the density of the ball, now compresses the air under it forcing that air to equalise the lower pressure created, all teh way back to where the ball came from, which is where everything comes from. The ground or any place that can create a resistance immediate to that balls density, which could be your hand catching it or falling on a shed roof, etc.

If the equalization effect is sufficient to keep the ball going up, even against the greater pressure on top, why does a barely measurable difference push the ball towards the ground at similar force when the ball is at rest?

As above.

Shouldn't the ball just float around in the first place?

How can it float around? It's always under pressure.

How does the weight of the ball come in to this, if it's an air-filled balloon or a bowling ball of identical size and shape, why do they fall at a different rate, surely they are displacing exactly the same amount of air and so generating exactly the same pressure differentials?

The more dense an object is, the more air it can displace and faster, which is why a bowling ball can fall faster than a beach ball that is merely just air and a small amount of plastic.
You'll never grasp it because your mind immediately goes into gravity mode. You simply can't let go of it, even though gravity makes no sense and is pathetic and cannot be explained as a force. It just is and that's that.

If you can't grasp it, then no problem.

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Quote from: sokarul on November 16, 2014, 09:00:21 AM

This argument again? I'm going to put into words what you believe.

If I lay on the floor and throw a rubber ball at my ceiling, you say my arm creates enough wind to blow the ball towards the ceiling the second I let go of it. Then, the air pressure that is pushing the ball up, also feels the need to push it down. So when it get's to a random height, the all knowing air pressure reverses and starts to push the ball down. For some reason air pressure knows which way is down. All this is accomplished even though air pressure would be equal on all sides of the ball.

Your own energy is pushing the ball up against the resistance of air pressure you're throwing it against. You are compressing that air directly above the ball being thrown by your energy. The force of your energy determines how high you throw that ball through the resistance of air that it compresses. that's what you are doing.

In order for you to compress that air above the ball, you have to leave a lower pressure under it. The compressed air you're creating above (higher pressure) has to push around that ball to equalise the lower pressure you created under it.

This is where denpressure comes into force, because you are throwing that dense ball against the pressure of atmosphere and how dense that ball is, determines how much atmosphere it can compress and push out of the way due to the amount of energy you place onto that ball.

It's not about atmosphere knowing what's up and down. The atmosphere is stacked, like I said before. Compressed at sea level and decompressed at the dome.
I don't expect you or people like you to understand it because you'd rather sit and go all gooey over stipud gravity that nobody can explain as a force and look at me, I can explain reality by showing you how atmospheric pressure works on a Earth that is most definitely not a frigging sphere, spinning in space.

And just after you've released the ball, it continues on it's way up, against the pressure accumulating above it... why does it do that? Why doesn't it just fall down the instant you stop pushing it up?

Because the pressure accumulating above it is transferred around it to equalise under it. It's in open space.

Now imagine doing the same thing, except trying to push it down a tube with a sealed bottom that is just about the same diameter as the ball. You see that it will stop quite quickly, then slowly fall to the bottom. Why? because the air cannot readily equalise around that ball.

Air flowing from high pressure to low pressure cause objects to move to the high pressure? For a made up answer it was quite terrible.

It's called equalisation of pressure. What the hell do you think wind is?

Air moving from high to low pressure. What do things in the wind do? The move with it, not against it. So you agree your previous answer doesn't work, got it.

Give it up. You're clueless.

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Quote from: sokarul on November 16, 2014, 09:00:21 AM

This argument again? I'm going to put into words what you believe.

If I lay on the floor and throw a rubber ball at my ceiling, you say my arm creates enough wind to blow the ball towards the ceiling the second I let go of it. Then, the air pressure that is pushing the ball up, also feels the need to push it down. So when it get's to a random height, the all knowing air pressure reverses and starts to push the ball down. For some reason air pressure knows which way is down. All this is accomplished even though air pressure would be equal on all sides of the ball.

Your own energy is pushing the ball up against the resistance of air pressure you're throwing it against. You are compressing that air directly above the ball being thrown by your energy. The force of your energy determines how high you throw that ball through the resistance of air that it compresses. that's what you are doing.

In order for you to compress that air above the ball, you have to leave a lower pressure under it. The compressed air you're creating above (higher pressure) has to push around that ball to equalise the lower pressure you created under it.

This is where denpressure comes into force, because you are throwing that dense ball against the pressure of atmosphere and how dense that ball is, determines how much atmosphere it can compress and push out of the way due to the amount of energy you place onto that ball.

It's not about atmosphere knowing what's up and down. The atmosphere is stacked, like I said before. Compressed at sea level and decompressed at the dome.
I don't expect you or people like you to understand it because you'd rather sit and go all gooey over stipud gravity that nobody can explain as a force and look at me, I can explain reality by showing you how atmospheric pressure works on a Earth that is most definitely not a frigging sphere, spinning in space.

And just after you've released the ball, it continues on it's way up, against the pressure accumulating above it... why does it do that? Why doesn't it just fall down the instant you stop pushing it up?

Because the pressure accumulating above it is transferred around it to equalise under it. It's in open space.

Now imagine doing the same thing, except trying to push it down a tube with a sealed bottom that is just about the same diameter as the ball. You see that it will stop quite quickly, then slowly fall to the bottom. Why? because the air cannot readily equalise around that ball.

Air flowing from high pressure to low pressure cause objects to move to the high pressure? For a made up answer it was quite terrible.

It's called equalisation of pressure. What the hell do you think wind is?

Air moving from high to low pressure. What do things in the wind do? The move with it, not against it. So you agree your previous answer doesn't work, got it.

Give it up. You're clueless.

I noticed you could not explain why leaves blow with the wind but the ball moves against the wind.

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 16, 2014, 12:01:16 PM

Quote from: rottingroom on November 16, 2014, 11:34:59 AM

No scepti. The video about the balloon showed that pressure only applies if it is the dominant force, which it is in the case of helium balloons. Any other object behaves the opposite way from what you want.

For crying out loud. If pressure moves something, of course it's going to be the dominant force. When you get blown about by the wind, it is the dominant force.

The helium balloon in the car, destroys your gravity and inertia and shows you exactly why atmospheric pressure is teh reason why everything works the way it does ...inside Earth. It doesn't work in space because it simply does not exist.

You have no idea what you are talking about. What is it like to not only fail to make convincing arguments but also to fail at seeing when you are wrong?

You need to stop trying to tell people how things work because you have no clue. Read books about physics. They are right and you are wrong.

The helium balloon shows you to be wrong and you know it because it is an exclusive case where pressure is the dominant force. In that case, we can see how pressure can be relevant. For everything else it doesn't work that way. Using the same car as the helium balloon example we can try 99% of the rest of the objects that can fit in the car and the opposite effect would happen. Of course I've told you thus countless times and I pretty much just said it in my last comment but you still don't get it because, let's face it, the real problem is that you are dumb.

Unless you use the bullshit of space. There's absolutely nothing you can say about gravity that I cannot explain using atmospheric pressure and you know it.
Your problem is, you can't understand it and simply rely on bullshit science. You carry on, because you are beyond help.

So a brass ball and an steel ball of the same size fall at different speeds?

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 16, 2014, 12:05:08 PM

Quote from: neimoka on November 16, 2014, 10:13:29 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on November 16, 2014, 10:11:23 AM

That's all it is. Action whether you're kicking the air, flapping wings or igniting a thrusting flame. It creates a reaction to that action in equal measures and you move. There's not a thing on Earth that happens without it.

Tell more of this 'thrusting flame'. Is it like on a welding torch perchance?

Ever seen an aerosol whizz about when it's been set alight?
Are you gonna tell me that it's combustion chamber is making it do that?

Pressurized content of the aerosol can escaping the ruptured can at high velocity is making it do that. If the content manages to ignite while still in the can, the can becomes a combustion chamber. The can's content burning up after having escaped the can isn't doing anything to propel it. Can you answer why the water bottle rocket doesn't work without the water in it?

The water is denser than the air and is ejected under high pressure so it compresses tha air under it which causes the air to create a barrier which spreads out the water and creates a springboard effect. Try observing what I type.

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Quote from: rottingroom on November 16, 2014, 11:34:59 AM

No scepti. The video about the balloon showed that pressure only applies if it is the dominant force, which it is in the case of helium balloons. Any other object behaves the opposite way from what you want.

For crying out loud. If pressure moves something, of course it's going to be the dominant force. When you get blown about by the wind, it is the dominant force.

The helium balloon in the car, destroys your gravity and inertia and shows you exactly why atmospheric pressure is teh reason why everything works the way it does ...inside Earth. It doesn't work in space because it simply does not exist.

You have no idea what you are talking about. What is it like to not only fail to make convincing arguments but also to fail at seeing when you are wrong?

You need to stop trying to tell people how things work because you have no clue. Read books about physics. They are right and you are wrong.

The helium balloon shows you to be wrong and you know it because it is an exclusive case where pressure is the dominant force. In that case, we can see how pressure can be relevant. For everything else it doesn't work that way. Using the same car as the helium balloon example we can try 99% of the rest of the objects that can fit in the car and the opposite effect would happen. Of course I've told you thus countless times and I pretty much just said it in my last comment but you still don't get it because, let's face it, the real problem is that you are dumb.

Unless you use the bullshit of space. There's absolutely nothing you can say about gravity that I cannot explain using atmospheric pressure and you know it.
Your problem is, you can't understand it and simply rely on bullshit science. You carry on, because you are beyond help.

If only denpressure could explain anything besides helium balloons.

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Quote from: neimoka on November 16, 2014, 04:59:15 AM

The fact that objects fall in vacuum chambers is irrevocable proof that your air pressure idea is just nonsense that you dreamed up.

Yes, back to the old vacuum chamber. A chamber evacuates air pressure, not all air pressure. There is still a medium inside the chamber of expanded air.

Yes, but that air is far less dense than outside the chamber.  So why will the objects fall at the same rate or faster in a near vacuum?

Less resistance to arrest their fall. Which is why a feather and a coin can just about fall at the same rate, as long as that feather falls like an arrow.

  Is air pressure pushing the feather down or is it resisting the fall of the feather?  Make up your mind because you can't have it both ways.

Scepti,
 I like your way of thinkng, and I give you credit for coming back against all these naysayers. Keep up the good work.
Have you developed these air pressure theories on your own? Are there other scientist that have written about these phenomena, or is all of your work original. It is truly facinating.  I know it is hard to keep fighting closed minded people by yourself. Keep up the good work.

Scepti,
 I like your way of thinkng, and I give you credit for coming back against all these naysayers. Keep up the good work.
Have you developed these air pressure theories on your own? Are there other scientist that have written about these phenomena, or is all of your work original. It is truly facinating.  I know it is hard to keep fighting closed minded people by yourself. Keep up the good work.

I too agree.

Quote from: neimoka on November 16, 2014, 11:51:31 AM

And this 'equalizing around and under' is at the same time accelerating it up, and pushing it down?

Try not to ignore the nergy applied to the ball, as in you throwing it up. The energy you apply and the density of the ball, determines how much air you compress. That compression of air has to be pushed around the ball. Because you threw the ball up, you created a lower pressure under that ball due to compressing the air above that ball. That air then cannot stack on that ball due to the open space you threw it in, so it is pushed around the ball, or to make it simple. It springs back into shape at speed around the ball to equalise the lower pressure under that ball you created by throwing it. Once that energy is resisted by that compression, that last compression forces that ball back down against the last low pressure created and now the opposite effect happens, where the density of the ball, now compresses the air under it forcing that air to equalise the lower pressure created, all teh way back to where the ball came from, which is where everything comes from. The ground or any place that can create a resistance immediate to that balls density, which could be your hand catching it or falling on a shed roof, etc.

How is this 'energy' stored in the thrown ball? Does it get warm or something, what kind of energy are we talking about here?

Quote from: neimoka on November 16, 2014, 11:51:31 AM

If the equalization effect is sufficient to keep the ball going up, even against the greater pressure on top, why does a barely measurable difference push the ball towards the ground at similar force when the ball is at rest?

As above.

Didn't explain it at all. Above you tried to describe how the air pressure differential would force the ball move to a certain direction, not how lack of a differential keeps it pressed down. If the lack of differential is what makes the ball stop momentarily at the top of it's arc, why does the same pressure condition push the ball down when it's at rest on the ground?

Quote from: neimoka on November 16, 2014, 11:51:31 AM

Shouldn't the ball just float around in the first place?

How can it float around? It's always under pressure.

Under same pressure on top and bottom.

Quote from: neimoka on November 16, 2014, 11:51:31 AM

How does the weight of the ball come in to this, if it's an air-filled balloon or a bowling ball of identical size and shape, why do they fall at a different rate, surely they are displacing exactly the same amount of air and so generating exactly the same pressure differentials?

The more dense an object is, the more air it can displace and faster, which is why a bowling ball can fall faster than a beach ball that is merely just air and a small amount of plastic.
You'll never grasp it because your mind immediately goes into gravity mode. You simply can't let go of it, even though gravity makes no sense and is pathetic and cannot be explained as a force. It just is and that's that.

If you can't grasp it, then no problem.

Exactly by what mechanism does a more dense object displace more air than a less dense object of same surface area? If this were true a sheet of cloth and a metal sheet would experience vastly different forces when wind blows on them, no?

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Quote from: sceptimatic on November 16, 2014, 10:11:23 AM

That's all it is. Action whether you're kicking the air, flapping wings or igniting a thrusting flame. It creates a reaction to that action in equal measures and you move. There's not a thing on Earth that happens without it.

Tell more of this 'thrusting flame'. Is it like on a welding torch perchance?

Ever seen an aerosol whizz about when it's been set alight?
Are you gonna tell me that it's combustion chamber is making it do that?

Pressurized content of the aerosol can escaping the ruptured can at high velocity is making it do that. If the content manages to ignite while still in the can, the can becomes a combustion chamber. The can's content burning up after having escaped the can isn't doing anything to propel it. Can you answer why the water bottle rocket doesn't work without the water in it?

The water is denser than the air and is ejected under high pressure so it compresses tha air under it which causes the air to create a barrier which spreads out the water and creates a springboard effect. Try observing what I type.

The water is denser, yes. And it does not compress under pressure, which was what your explanation of a rocket was based on. Water does not expand in to the air around it when it exits the nozzle, for the air to create a pressure area which would 'squeeze' the rocket up. Air as propellant would do that, yet the rocket doesn't fly so well. Try to understand what you have typed. Are you going to explain the gas torch analogy?

Scepti,
 I like your way of thinkng, and I give you credit for coming back against all these naysayers. Keep up the good work.
Have you developed these air pressure theories on your own? Are there other scientist that have written about these phenomena, or is all of your work original. It is truly facinating.  I know it is hard to keep fighting closed minded people by yourself. Keep up the good work.

Yet no proof a brass and a steel object fall at different speeds.

So a brass ball and an steel ball of the same size fall at different speeds?

It depends on the density of each ball and the height in which they are dropped to gain a true reading.
The simple answer is. Whichever ball is more dense, that ball will hit the ground faster. Sometimes it can't be measured by eye alone if dropped from a small height.
There's a lot of factors in that but essentially the denser ball wins.

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Quote from: sceptimatic on November 16, 2014, 12:01:16 PM

Quote from: rottingroom on November 16, 2014, 11:34:59 AM

No scepti. The video about the balloon showed that pressure only applies if it is the dominant force, which it is in the case of helium balloons. Any other object behaves the opposite way from what you want.

For crying out loud. If pressure moves something, of course it's going to be the dominant force. When you get blown about by the wind, it is the dominant force.

The helium balloon in the car, destroys your gravity and inertia and shows you exactly why atmospheric pressure is teh reason why everything works the way it does ...inside Earth. It doesn't work in space because it simply does not exist.

You have no idea what you are talking about. What is it like to not only fail to make convincing arguments but also to fail at seeing when you are wrong?

You need to stop trying to tell people how things work because you have no clue. Read books about physics. They are right and you are wrong.

The helium balloon shows you to be wrong and you know it because it is an exclusive case where pressure is the dominant force. In that case, we can see how pressure can be relevant. For everything else it doesn't work that way. Using the same car as the helium balloon example we can try 99% of the rest of the objects that can fit in the car and the opposite effect would happen. Of course I've told you thus countless times and I pretty much just said it in my last comment but you still don't get it because, let's face it, the real problem is that you are dumb.

Unless you use the bullshit of space. There's absolutely nothing you can say about gravity that I cannot explain using atmospheric pressure and you know it.
Your problem is, you can't understand it and simply rely on bullshit science. You carry on, because you are beyond help.

If only denpressure could explain anything besides helium balloons.

Denpressure explains everything that gravity is supposed to be. It also explains inertia. It explains everything. That's because it's reality, not fantasy.

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Quote from: neimoka on November 16, 2014, 04:59:15 AM

The fact that objects fall in vacuum chambers is irrevocable proof that your air pressure idea is just nonsense that you dreamed up.

Yes, back to the old vacuum chamber. A chamber evacuates air pressure, not all air pressure. There is still a medium inside the chamber of expanded air.

Yes, but that air is far less dense than outside the chamber.  So why will the objects fall at the same rate or faster in a near vacuum?

Less resistance to arrest their fall. Which is why a feather and a coin can just about fall at the same rate, as long as that feather falls like an arrow.

  Is air pressure pushing the feather down or is it resisting the fall of the feather?  Make up your mind because you can't have it both ways.

The feather itself takes up its place in the air pressure it is put into, meaning it displaces that air by energy applied. For instance, if your hand placed it in the air, then it took your energy to get it there and now the air pressure below it has to contend with it's density as the air above and below exert their forces upon it, except the density of the feather plus the air pressure above, wins the day against the resistance of the air pressure below, so it gets pushed all the way back to the ground.

Remember one thing. If you apply energy to an object to raise it up. That object now becomes potential energy in a reaction to that action. So if your energy is taken away, the energy that you did apply gets pushed back to the ground due to it's density or mass, whichever way you want to view it.

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Who needs to get out more again? geoffrey, you are an absolute disgrace. A skidmark on the underpants of society.

C'mon; be fair.  I did say I was bored to the point of becoming mentally comatose.  I was actually surprised myself when I read back over this massive amount of absolute bullshit posted by sceptimatic in only a couple of days.

And when you see it all gathered in the one steaming pile, you realise what a waste of oxygen the guy really is LOL.

Ask yourself a question, geoffrey. Do the many visitors who come to this site come to read what you have to say, or what Scepti has to say? The sad thing is, you probably think they come here for you.

As a "visitor" I come here to see just what scepti is going to come up with next. If it wasn't for scepti, this website would be pretty boring. At least scepti is a little more original .

As they say in America, Sceptic is digging such a deep hole he will soon hit China.

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I noticed you could not explain why leaves blow with the wind but the ball moves against the wind.

Scepti,
 I like your way of thinkng, and I give you credit for coming back against all these naysayers. Keep up the good work.
Have you developed these air pressure theories on your own? Are there other scientist that have written about these phenomena, or is all of your work original. It is truly facinating.  I know it is hard to keep fighting closed minded people by yourself. Keep up the good work.

As far as I know I haven't seen anyone with the same thoughts. I will certainly keep going with it because I'm 100% sure of it in the basic terms, which I find is the key to unravelling a lot of the mis-info science people are taught.

Too many people rely on what they are told by people who actually are only playing guessing games with a lot of this stuff.
I do admit that it requires a person to literally crack their mind wide open and to take a full interest in deciphering what I'm saying, but once they do, they will see how it proves the truth in the most basic terms. Terms they could never see because they have had their minds battered to hell with fantasy science. It's not their fault, it's just that sometimes people should wake up a little bit when they are told about this stuff.

It's the simpicity of what I say that bamboozles wannabe scientists, because science like this is hung onto as some kind of elite knowledge and is meant to be baffling enough that it segregates the classes, so those at the top are woshipped by those that can't do anything other than parrot what they are told to.

It's sad that so many will not even try to think. All I ask is for them to think for themselves and not be guided by peer pressure or the potential to be classified as a nut case for merely thinking logically with some of this nonsense that's spewed out to cater for keeping our history and present, as nothing more than a lot of misinformation.

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Quote from: rottingroom on November 16, 2014, 11:34:59 AM

No scepti. The video about the balloon showed that pressure only applies if it is the dominant force, which it is in the case of helium balloons. Any other object behaves the opposite way from what you want.

For crying out loud. If pressure moves something, of course it's going to be the dominant force. When you get blown about by the wind, it is the dominant force.

The helium balloon in the car, destroys your gravity and inertia and shows you exactly why atmospheric pressure is teh reason why everything works the way it does ...inside Earth. It doesn't work in space because it simply does not exist.

You have no idea what you are talking about. What is it like to not only fail to make convincing arguments but also to fail at seeing when you are wrong?

You need to stop trying to tell people how things work because you have no clue. Read books about physics. They are right and you are wrong.

The helium balloon shows you to be wrong and you know it because it is an exclusive case where pressure is the dominant force. In that case, we can see how pressure can be relevant. For everything else it doesn't work that way. Using the same car as the helium balloon example we can try 99% of the rest of the objects that can fit in the car and the opposite effect would happen. Of course I've told you thus countless times and I pretty much just said it in my last comment but you still don't get it because, let's face it, the real problem is that you are dumb.

Unless you use the bullshit of space. There's absolutely nothing you can say about gravity that I cannot explain using atmospheric pressure and you know it.
Your problem is, you can't understand it and simply rely on bullshit science. You carry on, because you are beyond help.

If only denpressure could explain anything besides helium balloons.

Denpressure explains everything that gravity is supposed to be. It also explains inertia. It explains everything. That's because it's reality, not fantasy.

Are we going around in circles ? After 12 pages we seem to have come back to that old demon "Dennpressure ?"

As they say in America, Sceptic is digging such a deep hole he will soon hit China.

Also

Quote from: sokarul on November 16, 2014, 12:32:44 PM

I noticed you could not explain why leaves blow with the wind but the ball moves against the wind.

If this was scepti's flat earth, if he dug such a deep hole through the earth that never ending accelerating force would come with such a force through that hole that it would blow the earth to pieces.

How is this 'energy' stored in the thrown ball? Does it get warm or something, what kind of energy are we talking about here?

The energy is totally reliant of the energy you use to push it up.

Didn't explain it at all. Above you tried to describe how the air pressure differential would force the ball move to a certain direction, not how lack of a differential keeps it pressed down. If the lack of differential is what makes the ball stop momentarily at the top of it's arc, why does the same pressure condition push the ball down when it's at rest on the ground?

Because when it's at rest on teh ground, the ground becomes a more dense resistor to the air above, as it, it stops being pushed into the ground due to that barrier/resistance.

Exactly by what mechanism does a more dense object displace more air than a less dense object of same surface area? If this were true a sheet of cloth and a metal sheet would experience vastly different forces when wind blows on them, no?

A sheet of cloth and a sheet of metal will experience vastly different forces on them due to density differences, meaning the ability to withstand or absorb the pressures.

How is this 'energy' stored in the thrown ball? Does it get warm or something, what kind of energy are we talking about here?

The energy is totally reliant of the force you use to push it up.

Didn't explain it at all. Above you tried to describe how the air pressure differential would force the ball move to a certain direction, not how lack of a differential keeps it pressed down. If the lack of differential is what makes the ball stop momentarily at the top of it's arc, why does the same pressure condition push the ball down when it's at rest on the ground?

Because when it's at rest on teh ground, the ground becomes a more dense resistor to the air above, as it, it stops being pushed into the ground due to that barrier/resistance.

Exactly by what mechanism does a more dense object displace more air than a less dense object of same surface area? If this were true a sheet of cloth and a metal sheet would experience vastly different forces when wind blows on them, no?

A sheet of cloth and a sheet of metal will experience vastly different forces on them due to density differences, meaning the ability to withstand or absorb the pressures.

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That's all it is. Action whether you're kicking the air, flapping wings or igniting a thrusting flame. It creates a reaction to that action in equal measures and you move. There's not a thing on Earth that happens without it.

Tell more of this 'thrusting flame'. Is it like on a welding torch perchance?

Ever seen an aerosol whizz about when it's been set alight?
Are you gonna tell me that it's combustion chamber is making it do that?

Pressurized content of the aerosol can escaping the ruptured can at high velocity is making it do that. If the content manages to ignite while still in the can, the can becomes a combustion chamber. The can's content burning up after having escaped the can isn't doing anything to propel it. Can you answer why the water bottle rocket doesn't work without the water in it?

The water is denser than the air and is ejected under high pressure so it compresses tha air under it which causes the air to create a barrier which spreads out the water and creates a springboard effect. Try observing what I type.

The water is denser, yes. And it does not compress under pressure, which was what your explanation of a rocket was based on. Water does not expand in to the air around it when it exits the nozzle, for the air to create a pressure area which would 'squeeze' the rocket up. Air as propellant would do that, yet the rocket doesn't fly so well. Try to understand what you have typed. Are you going to explain the gas torch analogy?

I didn't say the water expanded. I said it fans out due to the resistance of the atmosphere under it which fans it out. Basically it's creating a surdy resistance stack that the pressurised water can push the bottle up from. This will keep happening for as long as tehre is enough pressure to allow this, which isn't very long in terms of bottle rockets.

As they say in America, Sceptic is digging such a deep hole he will soon hit China.

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I noticed you could not explain why leaves blow with the wind but the ball moves against the wind.

Can you clarify what you are trying to get at here?

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No scepti. The video about the balloon showed that pressure only applies if it is the dominant force, which it is in the case of helium balloons. Any other object behaves the opposite way from what you want.

For crying out loud. If pressure moves something, of course it's going to be the dominant force. When you get blown about by the wind, it is the dominant force.

The helium balloon in the car, destroys your gravity and inertia and shows you exactly why atmospheric pressure is teh reason why everything works the way it does ...inside Earth. It doesn't work in space because it simply does not exist.

You have no idea what you are talking about. What is it like to not only fail to make convincing arguments but also to fail at seeing when you are wrong?

You need to stop trying to tell people how things work because you have no clue. Read books about physics. They are right and you are wrong.

The helium balloon shows you to be wrong and you know it because it is an exclusive case where pressure is the dominant force. In that case, we can see how pressure can be relevant. For everything else it doesn't work that way. Using the same car as the helium balloon example we can try 99% of the rest of the objects that can fit in the car and the opposite effect would happen. Of course I've told you thus countless times and I pretty much just said it in my last comment but you still don't get it because, let's face it, the real problem is that you are dumb.

Unless you use the bullshit of space. There's absolutely nothing you can say about gravity that I cannot explain using atmospheric pressure and you know it.
Your problem is, you can't understand it and simply rely on bullshit science. You carry on, because you are beyond help.

If only denpressure could explain anything besides helium balloons.

Denpressure explains everything that gravity is supposed to be. It also explains inertia. It explains everything. That's because it's reality, not fantasy.

Are we going around in circles ? After 12 pages we seem to have come back to that old demon "Dennpressure ?"

Except it's not a demon but the truth.
If people refuse or cannot grasp it and ask questions, then it's always going to be used.

One day in the future, denpressure will be in the dictionary and regularly spoke of in the scientific world. This will be when all the space ventures have been admitted to, as being made up nonsense, plus Newton and his gravity has been resigned to the fantasy section. Etc, etc.

It will ever get there. You think two balls of equal dimension but different densities drop at different rates. This shows that you have never tested your theory. Once you test it, you will realize it is full of holes and be forced to delete all your posts in a fit of pique.

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No scepti. The video about the balloon showed that pressure only applies if it is the dominant force, which it is in the case of helium balloons. Any other object behaves the opposite way from what you want.

For crying out loud. If pressure moves something, of course it's going to be the dominant force. When you get blown about by the wind, it is the dominant force.

The helium balloon in the car, destroys your gravity and inertia and shows you exactly why atmospheric pressure is teh reason why everything works the way it does ...inside Earth. It doesn't work in space because it simply does not exist.

You have no idea what you are talking about. What is it like to not only fail to make convincing arguments but also to fail at seeing when you are wrong?

You need to stop trying to tell people how things work because you have no clue. Read books about physics. They are right and you are wrong.

The helium balloon shows you to be wrong and you know it because it is an exclusive case where pressure is the dominant force. In that case, we can see how pressure can be relevant. For everything else it doesn't work that way. Using the same car as the helium balloon example we can try 99% of the rest of the objects that can fit in the car and the opposite effect would happen. Of course I've told you thus countless times and I pretty much just said it in my last comment but you still don't get it because, let's face it, the real problem is that you are dumb.

Unless you use the bullshit of space. There's absolutely nothing you can say about gravity that I cannot explain using atmospheric pressure and you know it.
Your problem is, you can't understand it and simply rely on bullshit science. You carry on, because you are beyond help.

If only denpressure could explain anything besides helium balloons.

Denpressure explains everything that gravity is supposed to be. It also explains inertia. It explains everything. That's because it's reality, not fantasy.

Nope just helium balloons. Worthless.