Simple Balloon "Rocket"...

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Re: Simple Balloon "Rocket"...
« Reply #360 on: November 20, 2014, 02:17:46 AM »
"My  arguments"? You should notice that I did not make one, I was just asking questions. Can you shed light on displacement (question in my previous post).
Measured weight relies solely on air pressure acting upon any dense object.

It's why a lead ball weighs more than a wooden ball of the same size.

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Re: Simple Balloon "Rocket"...
« Reply #361 on: November 20, 2014, 02:25:17 AM »
Try to explain that a bit better septic. It makes no sense.

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« Reply #362 on: November 20, 2014, 02:28:28 AM »
Try to explain that a bit better septic. It makes no sense.
I know it makes no sense to you. Warped space time and all the rest of it makes sense, even though no bastard knows what the hell it is, yet my explanations don't because wannabe scientists do not do basic logic. I'm being serious as well.

What is it that you can't grasp?

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Re: Simple Balloon "Rocket"...
« Reply #363 on: November 20, 2014, 02:29:26 AM »
"My  arguments"? You should notice that I did not make one, I was just asking questions. Can you shed light on displacement (question in my previous post).
Measured weight relies solely on air pressure acting upon any dense object.

It's why a lead ball weighs more than a wooden ball of the same size.
Objects side by side in same environment, lead ball has higher pressure all around it than a wooden ball, all else being equal??

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Re: Simple Balloon "Rocket"...
« Reply #364 on: November 20, 2014, 02:31:41 AM »
How air pressure can do all these wondrous things.

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Re: Simple Balloon "Rocket"...
« Reply #365 on: November 20, 2014, 02:32:44 AM »
"My  arguments"? You should notice that I did not make one, I was just asking questions. Can you shed light on displacement (question in my previous post).
Measured weight relies solely on air pressure acting upon any dense object.

It's why a lead ball weighs more than a wooden ball of the same size.
Objects side by side in same environment, lead ball has higher pressure all around it than a wooden ball, all else being equal??
Bingo.

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Re: Simple Balloon "Rocket"...
« Reply #366 on: November 20, 2014, 02:34:54 AM »
How air pressure can do all these wondrous things.
It's not about it doing wonderous things, it's about how it's stacked to create higher pressure at sea level on all objects, from which the density of those objects determine what man made measurement in weight they are, by what they either absorb or repel in that atmosphere.

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Re: Simple Balloon "Rocket"...
« Reply #367 on: November 20, 2014, 02:43:40 AM »
"My  arguments"? You should notice that I did not make one, I was just asking questions. Can you shed light on displacement (question in my previous post).
Measured weight relies solely on air pressure acting upon any dense object.

It's why a lead ball weighs more than a wooden ball of the same size.
Objects side by side in same environment, lead ball has higher pressure all around it than a wooden ball, all else being equal??
Bingo.

What force causes the air to accumulate around the objects to create pressure, in amounts proportional to their density?

Could you address the question about displacement?

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Re: Simple Balloon "Rocket"...
« Reply #368 on: November 20, 2014, 02:48:57 AM »
"My  arguments"? You should notice that I did not make one, I was just asking questions. Can you shed light on displacement (question in my previous post).
Measured weight relies solely on air pressure acting upon any dense object.

It's why a lead ball weighs more than a wooden ball of the same size.
Objects side by side in same environment, lead ball has higher pressure all around it than a wooden ball, all else being equal??
Bingo.

What force causes the air to accumulate around the objects to create pressure, in amounts proportional to their density?

Could you address the question about displacement?
This is getting tedious. Are you deliberately not understanding what I've said or are you so absorbed in your gravity that you're simply not willing to understand what I'm saying?
Let's be clear on this before I go any further.

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Re: Simple Balloon "Rocket"...
« Reply #369 on: November 20, 2014, 04:18:28 AM »
How air pressure can do all these wondrous things.
It's not about it doing wonderous things, it's about how it's stacked to create higher pressure at sea level on all objects, from which the density of those objects determine what man made measurement in weight they are, by what they either absorb or repel in that atmosphere.
Please explain what is absorbed or repeled by objects.  With verified examples.

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Re: Simple Balloon "Rocket"...
« Reply #370 on: November 20, 2014, 04:24:45 AM »
How air pressure can do all these wondrous things.
It's not about it doing wonderous things, it's about how it's stacked to create higher pressure at sea level on all objects, from which the density of those objects determine what man made measurement in weight they are, by what they either absorb or repel in that atmosphere.
Please explain what is absorbed or repeled by objects.  With verified examples.
Just sit back and watch the explanations as they go. That's the best I can do for you.

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Re: Simple Balloon "Rocket"...
« Reply #371 on: November 20, 2014, 05:37:38 AM »
I still don't understand why, if I walk to a cliff edge and jump off, I fall?  Why don't I just float off?
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Re: Simple Balloon "Rocket"...
« Reply #372 on: November 20, 2014, 05:38:57 AM »
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Yes and the pressure behind to push the ball comes from the compression in front of it, which is forced around the ball and hits the flow of low pressure like a spring (if you like) and pushes the ball.

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Your arms and hands scoop the water behind you creating a low pressure in front of you and creating a compression behind you which hits the water behind like a spring and pushes you through the void created in front (low pressure)

RIP denpressure.
Weird, it's almost like he's making it up as he goes along... ::)
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Re: Simple Balloon "Rocket"...
« Reply #373 on: November 20, 2014, 05:39:41 AM »
I still don't understand why, if I walk to a cliff edge and jump off, I fall?  Why don't I just float off?
Why should you float off if your mass is under pressure?

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Re: Simple Balloon "Rocket"...
« Reply #374 on: November 20, 2014, 05:41:26 AM »
I still don't understand why, if I walk to a cliff edge and jump off, I fall?  Why don't I just float off?
Why should you float off if your mass is under pressure?
Because the air pressure is equal on all sides, just like it is when I'm on top of the cliff.
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Re: Simple Balloon "Rocket"...
« Reply #375 on: November 20, 2014, 05:44:38 AM »
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Yes and the pressure behind to push the ball comes from the compression in front of it, which is forced around the ball and hits the flow of low pressure like a spring (if you like) and pushes the ball.

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Your arms and hands scoop the water behind you creating a low pressure in front of you and creating a compression behind you which hits the water behind like a spring and pushes you through the void created in front (low pressure)

RIP denpressure.
Weird, it's almost like he's making it up as he goes along... ::)
And weirdly, gravity, warped space time, special relativity and a whole host of stuff that cannot be proved as to what they are, physically and this is accepted because?

The belief in those in lab coats or who stand out as a voice for the masses.
None of that makes any sense. Mine does for those that want to absorb it. Obviously you and others like you have no intention of using your logical brains, so I don't expect, nor care what you want to think, to be honest.

I'll explain and I simply hope that the thinkers will take it onboard, to at least give food for thought.

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Re: Simple Balloon "Rocket"...
« Reply #376 on: November 20, 2014, 05:49:16 AM »
I still don't understand why, if I walk to a cliff edge and jump off, I fall?  Why don't I just float off?
Why should you float off if your mass is under pressure?
Because the air pressure is equal on all sides, just like it is when I'm on top of the cliff.
It's not equal on all sides. There's more pressure at your feet than there is on your head. Marginally but it's there.

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Re: Simple Balloon "Rocket"...
« Reply #377 on: November 20, 2014, 05:52:55 AM »
I still don't understand why, if I walk to a cliff edge and jump off, I fall?  Why don't I just float off?
Why should you float off if your mass is under pressure?
Because the air pressure is equal on all sides, just like it is when I'm on top of the cliff.
It's not equal on all sides. There's more pressure at your feet than there is on your head.
Surely I would float upwards then?
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Re: Simple Balloon "Rocket"...
« Reply #378 on: November 20, 2014, 05:57:08 AM »
I still don't understand why, if I walk to a cliff edge and jump off, I fall?  Why don't I just float off?
Why should you float off if your mass is under pressure?
Because the air pressure is equal on all sides, just like it is when I'm on top of the cliff.
It's not equal on all sides. There's more pressure at your feet than there is on your head.
Surely I would float upwards then?
I said at your feet, not under your feet.




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Re: Simple Balloon "Rocket"...
« Reply #379 on: November 20, 2014, 06:04:45 AM »
I still don't understand why, if I walk to a cliff edge and jump off, I fall?  Why don't I just float off?
Why should you float off if your mass is under pressure?
Because the air pressure is equal on all sides, just like it is when I'm on top of the cliff.
It's not equal on all sides. There's more pressure at your feet than there is on your head.
Surely I would float upwards then?
I said at your feet, not under your feet.
I don't know what you mean by that.

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Re: Simple Balloon "Rocket"...
« Reply #380 on: November 20, 2014, 06:08:22 AM »
I still don't understand why, if I walk to a cliff edge and jump off, I fall?  Why don't I just float off?
Why should you float off if your mass is under pressure?
Because the air pressure is equal on all sides, just like it is when I'm on top of the cliff.
It's not equal on all sides. There's more pressure at your feet than there is on your head.
Surely I would float upwards then?
I said at your feet, not under your feet.
I don't know what you mean by that.
Atmospheric pressure is strongest at sea level than say, 6 feet higher, marginally.

It is not pushing up under your feet but pushing down. Do you get it now?

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Re: Simple Balloon "Rocket"...
« Reply #381 on: November 20, 2014, 06:19:14 AM »
If I sit on the floor, will my body be under more pressure than when I was standing??

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Re: Simple Balloon "Rocket"...
« Reply #382 on: November 20, 2014, 06:24:06 AM »
If I sit on the floor, will my body be under more pressure than when I was standing??
Yes, very slightly but you won't feel it that way due to you spreading out your mass on the floor.

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Re: Simple Balloon "Rocket"...
« Reply #383 on: November 20, 2014, 06:48:58 AM »
If I sit on the floor, will my body be under more pressure than when I was standing??
Yes, very slightly but you won't feel it that way due to you spreading out your mass on the floor.
it is similar I suppose to sitting in 6'of water, in the denser medium you can really feel the pressure difference at the bottom.
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Re: Simple Balloon "Rocket"...
« Reply #384 on: November 20, 2014, 06:56:27 AM »
If I sit on the floor, will my body be under more pressure than when I was standing??
Yes, very slightly but you won't feel it that way due to you spreading out your mass on the floor.
it is similar I suppose to sitting in 6'of water, in the denser medium you can really feel the pressure difference at the bottom.

It feels like we are going around in circles. Pressure is defined as force per unit area. It isn't THE force. It needs a mechanism and it [pressure] is simply under the influence of some mechanism/force. Let's look again at a helium balloon inside of a car because in that case we can see what pressure does:

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All the air rushes to the right side during a left turn for example. The high pressure in that case is the right side, forcing the balloon to the left. High pressure, if strong enough, will move an object toward low pressure, not away from it. Therefore, we would float up if pressure was the dominant force.
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Re: Simple Balloon "Rocket"...
« Reply #385 on: November 20, 2014, 07:07:13 AM »
If I sit on the floor, will my body be under more pressure than when I was standing??
Yes, very slightly but you won't feel it that way due to you spreading out your mass on the floor.
it is similar I suppose to sitting in 6'of water, in the denser medium you can really feel the pressure difference at the bottom.
Yep; water is a good analogy for what's happening. the reason people can't equate it to air pressure is the very fact that we live under air pressure and are basically "body wise" equalised to it because we are just a collection of molecules or water and atmosphere condensed together.

Having said that. If we try to use the depth of water as dense pressure upon us, the arguments come out to say that we float and it's hard to get it into people's heads to disregard the floating human.

This is why some come out with, " well surely we would float in air with your denpressure, scepti."

People can't seem to get their heads around a stacked atmosphere, just like stacking a swimming pool with water. The highest pressure is obviously going to be at the bottom and the lowest pressure being at the top.

So "IF" we use this as that analogy, we can then imagine picking up , say - a 4x4 feet sheet of metal (for instance) from flat on the deck. Now you can imagine the force upon that sheet of metal as you tried to pick it up against the mass (pressure) of water bearing down on it.
Now imagine trying to throw that sheet, upwards?

Obviously to understand it being the same, we also have to imagine a person being acclimatised to that environment as well, which naturally means they are denser than the water and can walk the bottom, just like we do on land.


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Re: Simple Balloon "Rocket"...
« Reply #386 on: November 20, 2014, 07:18:17 AM »
If I sit on the floor, will my body be under more pressure than when I was standing??
Yes, very slightly but you won't feel it that way due to you spreading out your mass on the floor.
it is similar I suppose to sitting in 6'of water, in the denser medium you can really feel the pressure difference at the bottom.
Yep; water is a good analogy for what's happening. the reason people can't equate it to air pressure is the very fact that we live under air pressure and are basically "body wise" equalised to it because we are just a collection of molecules or water and atmosphere condensed together.

Having said that. If we try to use the depth of water as dense pressure upon us, the arguments come out to say that we float and it's hard to get it into people's heads to disregard the floating human.

This is why some come out with, " well surely we would float in air with your denpressure, scepti."

People can't seem to get their heads around a stacked atmosphere, just like stacking a swimming pool with water. The highest pressure is obviously going to be at the bottom and the lowest pressure being at the top.

So "IF" we use this as that analogy, we can then imagine picking up , say - a 4x4 feet sheet of metal (for instance) from flat on the deck. Now you can imagine the force upon that sheet of metal as you tried to pick it up against the mass (pressure) of water bearing down on it.
Now imagine trying to throw that sheet, upwards?

Obviously to understand it being the same, we also have to imagine a person being acclimatised to that environment as well, which naturally means they are denser than the water and can walk the bottom, just like we do on land.

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Not only did the objects that sank not have to come up through the water in order to be pushed down by the water, but the objects that didn't sink were like "what's denpressure?"

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Re: Simple Balloon "Rocket"...
« Reply #387 on: November 20, 2014, 08:03:35 AM »
I still don't understand why, if I walk to a cliff edge and jump off, I fall?  Why don't I just float off?
Why should you float off if your mass is under pressure?
Because the air pressure is equal on all sides, just like it is when I'm on top of the cliff.
It's not equal on all sides. There's more pressure at your feet than there is on your head.
Surely I would float upwards then?
I said at your feet, not under your feet.
I don't know what you mean by that.
Atmospheric pressure is strongest at sea level than say, 6 feet higher, marginally.

It is not pushing up under your feet but pushing down. Do you get it now?
So what is this marginal difference?

Presumably if I did fall off a cliff I should just go horizontal and then the difference in air pressure between the top and bottom of my body would be too small to make me fall and I'll just float around on the wind?  I will try this next time.
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Re: Simple Balloon "Rocket"...
« Reply #388 on: November 20, 2014, 08:57:29 AM »
I still don't understand why, if I walk to a cliff edge and jump off, I fall?  Why don't I just float off?
Why should you float off if your mass is under pressure?
Because the air pressure is equal on all sides, just like it is when I'm on top of the cliff.
It's not equal on all sides. There's more pressure at your feet than there is on your head.
Surely I would float upwards then?
I said at your feet, not under your feet.
I don't know what you mean by that.
Atmospheric pressure is strongest at sea level than say, 6 feet higher, marginally.

It is not pushing up under your feet but pushing down. Do you get it now?
So what is this marginal difference?

Presumably if I did fall off a cliff I should just go horizontal and then the difference in air pressure between the top and bottom of my body would be too small to make me fall and I'll just float around on the wind?  I will try this next time.
Well, I've certainly wasted my time with you. I won't do it again.

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Re: Simple Balloon "Rocket"...
« Reply #389 on: November 20, 2014, 09:00:41 AM »
Well, I've certainly wasted my time with you. I won't do it again.
Who will you waste your time with next?
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