Everest vs ice wall

I sure hope you did not use the map I posted when you made your trips across Australia.  You would have been off by a good bit.

This map is very similar to the one I use as a trip planner jroa.  It's a Mercator projection, and shows the major connecting highways and also the road distances:



The distances quoted in the table are virtually identical to those I registered on my odometer over different trips, but usually tended to be on the shorter side by around 5km to 10km.

Can you show me a diagram, or at least a sketch, of how you'd represent this Australian map on the flat earth?  Could you also make an estimate (plus or minus, say, 100km) of the road distances between a few of the state capitals; Brisbane to Sydney, Melbourne to Adelaide, Perth to Darwin for example.

EDIT:  decreased image size.

Quote from: FlatAllTheWay on November 06, 2014, 08:23:09 AM

As always, the stupidity of sceptimatic knows no bounds.  And let's not forget that he is a proven liar, having claimed to be the author of several books, but refusing to tell us the title of even a single one.

And don't forget too that sceptimatic claims to have been to Antarctica on a secret research mission.  Now he's saying that man can not "go a fraction closer to it" without perishing.  He seems confused about the "ice wall" and Antarctica—they seem to overlap somehow by definition.  Are they two separate entities, or one and the same with two different names?

Or is the more likely answer that sceptimatic—true to form—was simply lying about his alleged scientific research in Antarctica?

So NOW that he posts the proof you go and deny it

You are children of the lies. Stench of staunch favoritism, the blind dogmatic suffered by years of implementing the Lies to the round/sheep, who refuse to ACCEPT that reality is different that you have been told as a child

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Quote from: ausGeoff on November 06, 2014, 11:24:07 AM

Quote from: FlatAllTheWay on November 06, 2014, 08:23:09 AM

As always, the stupidity of sceptimatic knows no bounds.  And let's not forget that he is a proven liar, having claimed to be the author of several books, but refusing to tell us the title of even a single one.

And don't forget too that sceptimatic claims to have been to Antarctica on a secret research mission.  Now he's saying that man can not "go a fraction closer to it" without perishing.  He seems confused about the "ice wall" and Antarctica—they seem to overlap somehow by definition.  Are they two separate entities, or one and the same with two different names?

Or is the more likely answer that sceptimatic—true to form—was simply lying about his alleged scientific research in Antarctica?

So NOW that he posts the proof you go and deny it

You are children of the lies. Stench of staunch favoritism, the blind dogmatic suffered by years of implementing the Lies to the round/sheep, who refuse to ACCEPT that reality is different that you have been told as a child

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Sceptic didn't post any evidence. Please note this.

So NOW that he posts the proof you go and deny it

You are children of the lies. Stench of staunch favoritism, the blind dogmatic suffered by years of implementing the Lies to the round/sheep, who refuse to ACCEPT that reality is different that you have been told as a child

Can you please link us to where sceptimatic posted his "proof"?  Nope?  What a surprise.

I'm guessing this is just another one of sceptimatic's alts LOL.  Same total lack of coherence and basic logic.   

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Quote from: inquisitive on November 07, 2014, 05:52:34 AM

Proven distances are wrong.

When did you prove these distances, and what were your methods?  Thanks in advance.

The azimuthal equidistant projection map of the spherical earth (which is often used by flat earthers as a "pseudo" flat earth map) shows Australia as being 4 times as as long as it's wide, which is ludicrous on our real world.  In reality, it's 4,100km long east-west, and 3,180km wide north-south.

And yes;  I have driven both E-W and N-S to (roughly) prove these figures.  Or will you now claim my car's odometer was wrong?

I'm sure this was also argued for a while but it seems that if you were to travel from LA to Hawaii using the FE's "going in circles aroung the North Pole" The travel time would be 22 hours instead of roughly 5 1/2 hours

How did you calculate these flight times?

I did not, I estimated the same way FE-ers estimate their map.

How did you calculate these flight times?

Uh... are you apparently admitting that—given the distance apart of two cities, and the velocity of the aircraft—you're unable to figure out its fight time jroa?  Seriously?

This is how you work it our:  Melbourne to Los Angeles = 12,730km / 920km/h (Boeing 747-400 cruise speed) = approximately 14 hours flight time.

Can you now show me how you'd work out this Melbourne-Los Angeles flight time on your flat earth model, and by how much the resultant flight time would differ from the round earth time?  Much longer, or far shorter?

Uh... are you apparently admitting that—given the distance apart of two cities, and the velocity of the aircraft—you're unable to figure out its fight time jroa?  Seriously?

I am not a pilot.  Are you? 

Quote from: ausGeoff on November 15, 2014, 07:42:56 AM

Uh... are you apparently admitting that—given the distance apart of two cities, and the velocity of the aircraft—you're unable to figure out its fight time jroa?  Seriously?

I am not a pilot.  Are you?

No, I'm not.  But that has absolutely nothing to do with the flight times between cities (other than being another of your straw man rhetorical one-liners of course LOL).

So my questions stands...

Can you now show me how you'd work out this Melbourne-Los Angeles flight time on your flat earth model, and by how much the resultant flight time would differ from the round earth time?  Much longer, or far shorter?

Can you please either address this, or admit to not being able to work it out without the aid of a round earth map?

I think you first need to prove the flight times would be different on a RE map compared to a FE map. 

I think you first need to prove the flight times would be different on a RE map compared to a FE map.

That is trivially easy.  Which FE map should we use?

Quote from: jroa on November 18, 2014, 09:29:11 AM

I think you first need to prove the flight times would be different on a RE map compared to a FE map.

That is trivially easy.  Which FE map should we use?

You can start by proving your RE map distances, then we can discuss comparing the FE distances. 

I think you first need to prove the flight times would be different on a RE map compared to a FE map.

Are you now claiming that the air flight times between major cities are identical whether one uses a round earth map or a flat earth map?

If so, how then do you explain the obvious discrepancy in the Perth to Sydney distance as it's shown on the flat earth map of Australia—when compared to the round earth map?

And as an easy exercise, can you tell me what you consider to be the correct flight time from Perth to Sydney?

I already told you that I am not a pilot.  Perhaps you could prove your side instead? 

I already told you that I am not a pilot.  Perhaps you could prove your side instead?

Can you please address this part of my earlier comment jroa?

And as an easy exercise, can you tell me what you consider to be the correct flight time from Perth to Sydney?

I calculate it as 3hrs 35mins.

—Or are you now apparently claiming only an airline pilot is capable of doing this?

I have found after reading these posts for the last couple hours that the MO of the flat earther is to come up against a wall, and suddenly disappear or start attacking the person questioning them, leaving their half baked theory forgotten. So I am starting to think maybe I should play devils advocate and work their stupidity out to its conclusion.

To facilitate that, I will now calculate the flight time between Sydney and Perth when using the FE map that I have seen multiple FE'ers post up.



The distance I know from living here is coast to coast in the United States which is roughly 3,000 miles. The size of Australia on that map is roughly double the size of the United States. So in this fantasy world where the earth is flat, Australia is 6,000 miles long.

The cruising speed of a Boeing 747-400 is 570 mph.

So using simple, provable math, the flight time from Sydney to Perth using a flat Earth map is 6000/570 which equals roughly ten and a half hours.

Wait... but planes make the same trip in roughly 3 hours... how can my impeccably thought out and tested flat earth model be so far off observable real world tests??

Obviously the 747-400s are actually traveling at 1,710 miles an hour, but only in Australia, because they suddenly can make the 3,000 mile trip in 5 hours for the coast to coast trip in America. Because bending light rays, ether and the earths acceleration down.

Quote from: Rama Set on November 18, 2014, 09:38:40 AM

Quote from: jroa on November 18, 2014, 09:29:11 AM

I think you first need to prove the flight times would be different on a RE map compared to a FE map.

That is trivially easy.  Which FE map should we use?

You can start by proving your RE map distances, then we can discuss comparing the FE distances.

As expected, unable to provide any FE distances.  Enough proof that a flat earth does not exist.

Quote from: jroa on November 18, 2014, 10:14:53 AM

Quote from: Rama Set on November 18, 2014, 09:38:40 AM

Quote from: jroa on November 18, 2014, 09:29:11 AM

I think you first need to prove the flight times would be different on a RE map compared to a FE map.

That is trivially easy.  Which FE map should we use?

You can start by proving your RE map distances, then we can discuss comparing the FE distances.

As expected, unable to provide any FE distances.  Enough proof that a flat earth does not exist.

We're not even asking him to prove the distances. Just to provide them so we can make a comparison. Lemmiwinks did a fine job with the unipolar map though.

I have found after reading these posts for the last couple hours that the MO of the flat earther is to come up against a wall, and suddenly disappear or start attacking the person questioning them, leaving their half baked theory forgotten. So I am starting to think maybe I should play devils advocate and work their stupidity out to its conclusion.

You've nailed it in one Lemmiwinks.

And thanks for attempting the flat earth distance calcs that jroa repeatedly—and so assiduously—avoided doing.

I'll now await his Perth to Sydney flight time calcs.

You can start by proving your RE map distances, then we can discuss comparing the FE distances.

If you have doubts about RE map distances, then perhaps you should express your concerns to the Rand McNally people.

I already told you that I am not a pilot.

Why would someone need to be a pilot (or even a navigator) to be able to calculate flight times? 

I have found after reading these posts for the last couple hours that the MO of the flat earther is to come up against a wall, and suddenly disappear or start attacking the person questioning them, leaving their half baked theory forgotten. So I am starting to think maybe I should play devils advocate and work their stupidity out to its conclusion.

To facilitate that, I will now calculate the flight time between Sydney and Perth when using the FE map that I have seen multiple FE'ers post up.



The distance I know from living here is coast to coast in the United States which is roughly 3,000 miles. The size of Australia on that map is roughly double the size of the United States. So in this fantasy world where the earth is flat, Australia is 6,000 miles long.

The cruising speed of a Boeing 747-400 is 570 mph.

So using simple, provable math, the flight time from Sydney to Perth using a flat Earth map is 6000/570 which equals roughly ten and a half hours.

Wait... but planes make the same trip in roughly 3 hours... how can my impeccably thought out and tested flat earth model be so far off observable real world tests??

Obviously the 747-400s are actually traveling at 1,710 miles an hour, but only in Australia, because they suddenly can make the 3,000 mile trip in 5 hours for the coast to coast trip in America. Because bending light rays, ether and the earths acceleration down.

Welcome to the Flat Earth Society Forum. Note the first line of my signature. LOL. That is the reason some of us visit this website.

Quote from: jroa on November 18, 2014, 10:14:53 AM

I already told you that I am not a pilot.

Why would someone need to be a pilot (or even a navigator) to be able to calculate flight times? 

Because then jroa—who's stated that he's not a pilot—can save face and not have to figure out the flight timings question I asked him LOL.   His obvious implication is that only pilots are capable of doing this.  Which is nonsensical.

Quote from: Googleotomy on November 06, 2014, 05:49:31 PM

Quote from: jroa on November 06, 2014, 02:18:30 PM

Who said there are no pictures of Antarctica?

Who said there ARE pictures of the -Quote-
" Ice Wall "- Unquote. ?

Behold, the Ice Wall^TM

Are those towers for the NASA guards ?

Quote from: markjo on November 18, 2014, 06:05:14 PM

Quote from: jroa on November 18, 2014, 10:14:53 AM

I already told you that I am not a pilot.

Why would someone need to be a pilot (or even a navigator) to be able to calculate flight times? 

Because then jroa—who's stated that he's not a pilot—can save face and not have to figure out the flight timings question I asked him LOL.   His obvious implication is that only pilots are capable of doing this.  Which is nonsensical.

You, claiming that a lay person can make calculations that pilots have to spend years to perfect, is nonsensical. 

Quote from: ausGeoff on November 18, 2014, 06:33:55 PM

Quote from: markjo on November 18, 2014, 06:05:14 PM

Quote from: jroa on November 18, 2014, 10:14:53 AM

I already told you that I am not a pilot.

Why would someone need to be a pilot (or even a navigator) to be able to calculate flight times? 

Because then jroa—who's stated that he's not a pilot—can save face and not have to figure out the flight timings question I asked him LOL.   His obvious implication is that only pilots are capable of doing this.  Which is nonsensical.

You, claiming that a lay person can make calculations that pilots have to spend years to perfect, is nonsensical.

Air traffic control people, engineers, scientists can if it is their job.

Quote from: jroa on November 19, 2014, 04:02:20 AM

Quote from: ausGeoff on November 18, 2014, 06:33:55 PM

Quote from: markjo on November 18, 2014, 06:05:14 PM

Quote from: jroa on November 18, 2014, 10:14:53 AM

I already told you that I am not a pilot.

Why would someone need to be a pilot (or even a navigator) to be able to calculate flight times? 

Because then jroa—who's stated that he's not a pilot—can save face and not have to figure out the flight timings question I asked him LOL.   His obvious implication is that only pilots are capable of doing this.  Which is nonsensical.

You, claiming that a lay person can make calculations that pilots have to spend years to perfect, is nonsensical.

Air traffic control people, engineers, scientists can if it is their job.

They use formulas provided by NASA. 

Quote from: inquisitive on November 19, 2014, 04:27:23 AM

Quote from: jroa on November 19, 2014, 04:02:20 AM

Quote from: ausGeoff on November 18, 2014, 06:33:55 PM

Quote from: markjo on November 18, 2014, 06:05:14 PM

Quote from: jroa on November 18, 2014, 10:14:53 AM

I already told you that I am not a pilot.

Why would someone need to be a pilot (or even a navigator) to be able to calculate flight times? 

Because then jroa—who's stated that he's not a pilot—can save face and not have to figure out the flight timings question I asked him LOL.   His obvious implication is that only pilots are capable of doing this.  Which is nonsensical.

You, claiming that a lay person can make calculations that pilots have to spend years to perfect, is nonsensical.

Air traffic control people, engineers, scientists can if it is their job.

They use formulas provided by NASA.

Wrong. Why the NASA obsession?

Quote from: jroa on November 19, 2014, 04:29:11 AM

Quote from: inquisitive on November 19, 2014, 04:27:23 AM

Quote from: jroa on November 19, 2014, 04:02:20 AM

Quote from: ausGeoff on November 18, 2014, 06:33:55 PM

Quote from: markjo on November 18, 2014, 06:05:14 PM

Quote from: jroa on November 18, 2014, 10:14:53 AM

I already told you that I am not a pilot.

Why would someone need to be a pilot (or even a navigator) to be able to calculate flight times? 

Because then jroa—who's stated that he's not a pilot—can save face and not have to figure out the flight timings question I asked him LOL.   His obvious implication is that only pilots are capable of doing this.  Which is nonsensical.

You, claiming that a lay person can make calculations that pilots have to spend years to perfect, is nonsensical.

Air traffic control people, engineers, scientists can if it is their job.

They use formulas provided by NASA.

Wrong. Why the NASA obsession?

How am I wrong? 

So if I travel at 3 mph for 2 hours naughty NASA has to tell me how far I walked. SMDDD

I have found after reading these posts for the last couple hours that the MO of the flat earther is to come up against a wall, and suddenly disappear or start attacking the person questioning them, leaving their half baked theory forgotten. So I am starting to think maybe I should play devils advocate and work their stupidity out to its conclusion.

To facilitate that, I will now calculate the flight time between Sydney and Perth when using the FE map that I have seen multiple FE'ers post up.



The distance I know from living here is coast to coast in the United States which is roughly 3,000 miles. The size of Australia on that map is roughly double the size of the United States. So in this fantasy world where the earth is flat, Australia is 6,000 miles long.

The cruising speed of a Boeing 747-400 is 570 mph.

So using simple, provable math, the flight time from Sydney to Perth using a flat Earth map is 6000/570 which equals roughly ten and a half hours.

Wait... but planes make the same trip in roughly 3 hours... how can my impeccably thought out and tested flat earth model be so far off observable real world tests??

Obviously the 747-400s are actually traveling at 1,710 miles an hour, but only in Australia, because they suddenly can make the 3,000 mile trip in 5 hours for the coast to coast trip in America. Because bending light rays, ether and the earths acceleration down.

This is the most ridiculous map one can look at, it shouldn't even be accepted in any argument. Canada's east to west at extreme points is 9306Km while Australia's is 4000-41000Km while this map shows an Australia that is double the width of Canada when it is actually the other way around. These distances are easily measured by any individual, not NASA conspirators like FE-ers would like us to believe. When they can come up with a map that shows accurate distances that can be measured by anyone, then they can start a debate.

Quote from: inquisitive on November 19, 2014, 04:30:11 AM

Quote from: jroa on November 19, 2014, 04:29:11 AM

Quote from: inquisitive on November 19, 2014, 04:27:23 AM

Quote from: jroa on November 19, 2014, 04:02:20 AM

Quote from: ausGeoff on November 18, 2014, 06:33:55 PM

Quote from: markjo on November 18, 2014, 06:05:14 PM

Quote from: jroa on November 18, 2014, 10:14:53 AM

I already told you that I am not a pilot.

Why would someone need to be a pilot (or even a navigator) to be able to calculate flight times? 

Because then jroa—who's stated that he's not a pilot—can save face and not have to figure out the flight timings question I asked him LOL.   His obvious implication is that only pilots are capable of doing this.  Which is nonsensical.

You, claiming that a lay person can make calculations that pilots have to spend years to perfect, is nonsensical.

Air traffic control people, engineers, scientists can if it is their job.

They use formulas provided by NASA.

Wrong. Why the NASA obsession?

How am I wrong?

Please provide details of NASA formulas.