Everest vs ice wall

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Everest vs ice wall
« on: November 06, 2014, 07:54:42 AM »

   If people have climbed mount Everest and survived, why would it not be possible to climb this icewall and see the other side? Surely it does not go on forever? We have the equipment and technology to do so. In the wiki, a quote from Samuel Rowbotham:

"...How far the ice extends; how it terminates; and what exists beyond it, are questions to which no present human experience can reply. All we at present know is, that snow and hail, howling winds, and indescribable storms and hurricanes prevail; and that in every direction "human ingress is barred by unsealed escarpments of perpetual ice," extending farther than eye or telescope can penetrate, and becoming lost in gloom and darkness...."

I find this description of subzero hell a little too convenient to discourage REs from wanting visual proof and actual data of this thing. We can see multiple planets, the sun (even if we need greater magnification than for 3000 miles) and the space station using a simple telescope but we cannot see things like the ice wall? (or the end of it?)

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Re: Everest vs ice wall
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2014, 08:12:58 AM »
If the sun does not send it's waves to that part then no man nor machine is going to have a hope in hell, because it becomes hell itself to even go a fraction closer to it. A tad further than the inner rim is all man will achieve and a machine may achieve a little better before simply ceasing to work.

They made it a ball because it gives the impression that we know what Earth is in its entirety. My guess is, we know about a quarter of it, if that.

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« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2014, 08:23:09 AM »
If the sun does not send it's waves to that part then no man nor machine is going to have a hope in hell, because it becomes hell itself to even go a fraction closer to it. A tad further than the inner rim is all man will achieve and a machine may achieve a little better before simply ceasing to work.

They made it a ball because it gives the impression that we know what Earth is in its entirety. My guess is, we know about a quarter of it, if that.

As always, the stupidity of sceptimatic knows no bounds.  And let's not forget that he is a proven liar, having claimed to be the author of several books, but refusing to tell us the title of even a single one.
Sceptimatic is a proven liar - he claims to have authored several books but won't reveal their names.

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Re: Everest vs ice wall
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2014, 09:29:46 AM »
Who said that nobody has ever been beyond the ice wall? 

Re: Everest vs ice wall
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2014, 10:12:58 AM »
Who said that nobody has ever been beyond the ice wall?
Assuming someone has already, don't you think that achievement would merit some form of publishing, data collecting, charting?

What seems more far fetched than an alleged ice wall is someone going there and then keeping it secret.

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Re: Everest vs ice wall
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2014, 11:24:07 AM »
As always, the stupidity of sceptimatic knows no bounds.  And let's not forget that he is a proven liar, having claimed to be the author of several books, but refusing to tell us the title of even a single one.

And don't forget too that sceptimatic claims to have been to Antarctica on a secret research mission.  Now he's saying that man can not "go a fraction closer to it" without perishing.  He seems confused about the "ice wall" and Antarctica—they seem to overlap somehow by definition.  Are they two separate entities, or one and the same with two different names?

Or is the more likely answer that sceptimatic—true to form—was simply lying about his alleged scientific research in Antarctica?

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Re: Everest vs ice wall
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2014, 12:17:46 PM »
I think you people are confusing the "Ice Wall", which is where Antarctica starts, with "The Edge of the World", which is where Antarctica ends. 

Re: Everest vs ice wall
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2014, 02:00:33 PM »
What I find confusing is why something as important as the ice wall or edge of earth exist only in the mind of the believers as it they were part of a religion thing? My question is genuine. Wouldn't today's technology make possible to at least photograph this alleged ice wall?

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« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2014, 02:12:53 PM »
I think you people are confusing the "Ice Wall", which is where Antarctica starts, with "The Edge of the World", which is where Antarctica ends.

A map, even a very rough one, would help here.  jroa, can you sketch something for us or at least describe the locations of the ice wall and the edge of the world?
Sceptimatic is a proven liar - he claims to have authored several books but won't reveal their names.

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Re: Everest vs ice wall
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2014, 02:18:30 PM »
Who said there are no pictures of Antarctica?

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« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2014, 02:23:40 PM »
I think you people are confusing the "Ice Wall", which is where Antarctica starts, with "The Edge of the World", which is where Antarctica ends.
Please give the distance between the 2.

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Re: Everest vs ice wall
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2014, 04:55:59 PM »
Who said that nobody has ever been beyond the ice wall?

Has anybody  ever said that  anybody has ever been to the ice wall, much less beyond it ? ??? ::)

Of course it is possible that maybe somebody has ever been to - or even beyond - the ice wall. But they haven't lived to tell about it.
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« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2014, 05:49:31 PM »
Who said there are no pictures of Antarctica?

Who said there ARE pictures of the -Quote-
" Ice Wall "- Unquote. ?
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Re: Everest vs ice wall
« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2014, 09:35:38 PM »
Who said there are no pictures of Antarctica?

Who said there ARE pictures of the -Quote-
" Ice Wall "- Unquote. ?

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« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2014, 03:25:01 AM »
I think you people are confusing the "Ice Wall", which is where Antarctica starts, with "The Edge of the World", which is where Antarctica ends.
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« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2014, 05:49:27 AM »
I think you people are confusing the "Ice Wall", which is where Antarctica starts, with "The Edge of the World", which is where Antarctica ends.

A map, even a very rough one, would help here.  jroa, can you sketch something for us or at least describe the locations of the ice wall and the edge of the world?

It is likely something roughly like this.


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« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2014, 05:52:34 AM »
I think you people are confusing the "Ice Wall", which is where Antarctica starts, with "The Edge of the World", which is where Antarctica ends.

A map, even a very rough one, would help here.  jroa, can you sketch something for us or at least describe the locations of the ice wall and the edge of the world?

It is likely something roughly like this.


Proven distances are wrong.

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« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2014, 05:58:10 AM »
Proven distances are wrong.

When did you prove these distances, and what were your methods?  Thanks in advance. 

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« Reply #18 on: November 07, 2014, 07:44:52 AM »
Proven distances are wrong.

When did you prove these distances, and what were your methods?  Thanks in advance.

The azimuthal equidistant projection map of the spherical earth (which is often used by flat earthers as a "pseudo" flat earth map) shows Australia as being 4 times as as long as it's wide, which is ludicrous on our real world.  In reality, it's 4,100km long east-west, and 3,180km wide north-south.

And yes;  I have driven both E-W and N-S to (roughly) prove these figures.  Or will you now claim my car's odometer was wrong?


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« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2014, 11:37:58 AM »
Proven distances are wrong.

When did you prove these distances, and what were your methods?  Thanks in advance.

The azimuthal equidistant projection map of the spherical earth (which is often used by flat earthers as a "pseudo" flat earth map) shows Australia as being 4 times as as long as it's wide, which is ludicrous on our real world.  In reality, it's 4,100km long east-west, and 3,180km wide north-south.

And yes;  I have driven both E-W and N-S to (roughly) prove these figures.  Or will you now claim my car's odometer was wrong?
I'm sure this was also argued for a while but it seems that if you were to travel from LA to Hawaii using the FE's "going in circles aroung the North Pole" The travel time would be 22 hours instead of roughly 5 1/2 hours

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« Reply #20 on: November 08, 2014, 01:10:04 AM »
Proven distances are wrong.

When did you prove these distances, and what were your methods?  Thanks in advance.

The azimuthal equidistant projection map of the spherical earth (which is often used by flat earthers as a "pseudo" flat earth map) shows Australia as being 4 times as as long as it's wide, which is ludicrous on our real world.  In reality, it's 4,100km long east-west, and 3,180km wide north-south.

And yes;  I have driven both E-W and N-S to (roughly) prove these figures.  Or will you now claim my car's odometer was wrong?
I'm sure this was also argued for a while but it seems that if you were to travel from LA to Hawaii using the FE's "going in circles aroung the North Pole" The travel time would be 22 hours instead of roughly 5 1/2 hours

How did you calculate these flight times? 

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« Reply #21 on: November 08, 2014, 02:36:03 AM »
Proven distances are wrong.

When did you prove these distances, and what were your methods?  Thanks in advance.

The azimuthal equidistant projection map of the spherical earth (which is often used by flat earthers as a "pseudo" flat earth map) shows Australia as being 4 times as as long as it's wide, which is ludicrous on our real world.  In reality, it's 4,100km long east-west, and 3,180km wide north-south.

And yes;  I have driven both E-W and N-S to (roughly) prove these figures.  Or will you now claim my car's odometer was wrong?



That is odd.  This map seems to show that Australia is about twice as wide east to west as it is north to south.  It also shows Greenland to be the same size as Africa.  Maybe your RE maps are not as accurate as you once believed? 


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« Reply #22 on: November 08, 2014, 03:05:49 AM »
Proven distances are wrong.

When did you prove these distances, and what were your methods?  Thanks in advance.
The azimuthal equidistant projection map of the spherical earth (which is often used by flat earthers as a "pseudo" flat earth map) shows Australia as being 4 times as as long as it's wide, which is ludicrous on our real world.  In reality, it's 4,100km long east-west, and 3,180km wide north-south.

And yes;  I have driven both E-W and N-S to (roughly) prove these figures.  Or will you now claim my car's odometer was wrong?
I'm sure this was also argued for a while but it seems that if you were to travel from LA to Hawaii using the FE's "going in circles aroung the North Pole" The travel time would be 22 hours instead of roughly 5 1/2 hours

How did you calculate these flight times?
With the usual formula.

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« Reply #23 on: November 08, 2014, 03:07:50 AM »
Proven distances are wrong.

When did you prove these distances, and what were your methods?  Thanks in advance.

The azimuthal equidistant projection map of the spherical earth (which is often used by flat earthers as a "pseudo" flat earth map) shows Australia as being 4 times as as long as it's wide, which is ludicrous on our real world.  In reality, it's 4,100km long east-west, and 3,180km wide north-south.

And yes;  I have driven both E-W and N-S to (roughly) prove these figures.  Or will you now claim my car's odometer was wrong?



That is odd.  This map seems to show that Australia is about twice as wide east to west as it is north to south.  It also shows Greenland to be the same size as Africa.  Maybe your RE maps are not as accurate as you once believed? 


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« Reply #24 on: November 08, 2014, 03:28:26 AM »
Proven distances are wrong.

When did you prove these distances, and what were your methods?  Thanks in advance.

The azimuthal equidistant projection map of the spherical earth (which is often used by flat earthers as a "pseudo" flat earth map) shows Australia as being 4 times as as long as it's wide, which is ludicrous on our real world.  In reality, it's 4,100km long east-west, and 3,180km wide north-south.

And yes;  I have driven both E-W and N-S to (roughly) prove these figures.  Or will you now claim my car's odometer was wrong?



That is odd.  This map seems to show that Australia is about twice as wide east to west as it is north to south.  It also shows Greenland to be the same size as Africa.  Maybe your RE maps are not as accurate as you once believed? 


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« Reply #25 on: November 08, 2014, 08:11:46 AM »
Some folk that works on the supposed edge of the earth:

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« Reply #26 on: November 08, 2014, 10:23:35 AM »
Proven distances are wrong.

When did you prove these distances, and what were your methods?  Thanks in advance.

The azimuthal equidistant projection map of the spherical earth (which is often used by flat earthers as a "pseudo" flat earth map) shows Australia as being 4 times as as long as it's wide, which is ludicrous on our real world.  In reality, it's 4,100km long east-west, and 3,180km wide north-south.

And yes;  I have driven both E-W and N-S to (roughly) prove these figures.  Or will you now claim my car's odometer was wrong?



That is odd.  This map seems to show that Australia is about twice as wide east to west as it is north to south.  It also shows Greenland to be the same size as Africa.  Maybe your RE maps are not as accurate as you once believed? 



It never ceases to amaze me that the so-called flat earthers pretend to be ignorant of such things as "projections" which are various means to represent the earth on a flat or two-dimensional drawing and there are distortions inherent in any type of projection made from the globe. I still think it is only an act. Nobody could really be that stupid. Someone has said "It's so stupid it's funny." If you took the flat earthers as really being serious or that stupid it would be sad. But since nobody really takes the flat earthers as being that serious or being that stupid it is funny.LOL.
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« Reply #28 on: November 08, 2014, 08:38:47 PM »

That is odd.  This map seems to show that Australia is about twice as wide east to west as it is north to south.  It also shows Greenland to be the same size as Africa.  Maybe your RE maps are not as accurate as you once believed? 



Uh... you must have missed the part where I said I've driven both E-W and N-S across Australia jroa?  And you haven't yet explained how it is the pseudo flat earth map you use shows its length to width ratio as more like 4 to 1 and not "about" twice as long as it's wide.  (Actually 4,100km by 3,180km.)

It seems that all authentic round earth maps and projections, distances, flight times, continental sizes etc are seen as "odd" by flat earthers.  Which should encourage them to consider exactly why that is, rather than simply dismissing the abundance of demonstrable round earth geophysics and geometry as being "rubbish" or "crap" or "bullshit", or accusing round earthers of being government "shills" or "liars" or "idiots".  (Their words; not mine BTW.)

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« Reply #29 on: November 10, 2014, 06:07:34 AM »

That is odd.  This map seems to show that Australia is about twice as wide east to west as it is north to south.  It also shows Greenland to be the same size as Africa.  Maybe your RE maps are not as accurate as you once believed? 



Uh... you must have missed the part where I said I've driven both E-W and N-S across Australia jroa?  And you haven't yet explained how it is the pseudo flat earth map you use shows its length to width ratio as more like 4 to 1 and not "about" twice as long as it's wide.  (Actually 4,100km by 3,180km.)

It seems that all authentic round earth maps and projections, distances, flight times, continental sizes etc are seen as "odd" by flat earthers.  Which should encourage them to consider exactly why that is, rather than simply dismissing the abundance of demonstrable round earth geophysics and geometry as being "rubbish" or "crap" or "bullshit", or accusing round earthers of being government "shills" or "liars" or "idiots".  (Their words; not mine BTW.)


I sure hope you did not use the map I posted when you made your trips across Australia.  You would have been off by a good bit.