Everest vs ice wall

You, claiming that a lay person can make calculations that pilots have to spend years to perfect, is nonsensical.

Nope.  This response of yours is nonsensical LOL.  Check THIS site out.  Pilots don't take "years" to learn how to figure out flight distances and times.  Are you serious with this; it takes them a few weeks.

So... are you now admitting that you're (apparently) unable to figure out the correct flight time from Perth to Sydney using your flat earth map?  And if you are able, then please do so.

I calculate it as 3hrs 35mins.  What do you calculate it as jroa? 



And as a matter of interest, this is typical of the IFR and VFR maps that pilots use, and both rely on GPS...

I have found after reading these posts for the last couple hours that the MO of the flat earther is to come up against a wall, and suddenly disappear or start attacking the person questioning them, leaving their half baked theory forgotten. So I am starting to think maybe I should play devils advocate and work their stupidity out to its conclusion.

To facilitate that, I will now calculate the flight time between Sydney and Perth when using the FE map that I have seen multiple FE'ers post up.



The distance I know from living here is coast to coast in the United States which is roughly 3,000 miles. The size of Australia on that map is roughly double the size of the United States. So in this fantasy world where the earth is flat, Australia is 6,000 miles long.

The cruising speed of a Boeing 747-400 is 570 mph.

So using simple, provable math, the flight time from Sydney to Perth using a flat Earth map is 6000/570 which equals roughly ten and a half hours.

Wait... but planes make the same trip in roughly 3 hours... how can my impeccably thought out and tested flat earth model be so far off observable real world tests??

Obviously the 747-400s are actually traveling at 1,710 miles an hour, but only in Australia, because they suddenly can make the 3,000 mile trip in 5 hours for the coast to coast trip in America. Because bending light rays, ether and the earths acceleration down.

It's because the Round Earth Conspirators have programmed the aircraft to fly 1,710 miles per hour between those points in Australia.

Quote from: FlatAllTheWay on November 06, 2014, 02:12:53 PM

Quote from: jroa on November 06, 2014, 12:17:46 PM

I think you people are confusing the "Ice Wall", which is where Antarctica starts, with "The Edge of the World", which is where Antarctica ends.

A map, even a very rough one, would help here.  jroa, can you sketch something for us or at least describe the locations of the ice wall and the edge of the world?

It is likely something roughly like this.

That's strange. If "It is something roughly like this." It is strange that "It" is simply a copy of an "Azimuthal Equidistant Projection" of a globe.  You will have to do better than that, jroa. Show "It" as a true "Flat Earth Map" of the whole "Flat Earth."

Quote from: FlatAllTheWay on November 06, 2014, 02:12:53 PM

Quote from: jroa on November 06, 2014, 12:17:46 PM

I think you people are confusing the "Ice Wall", which is where Antarctica starts, with "The Edge of the World", which is where Antarctica ends.

A map, even a very rough one, would help here.  jroa, can you sketch something for us or at least describe the locations of the ice wall and the edge of the world?

It is likely something roughly like this.

Why do flat earthers even post this as being the flat earth ?
Quote : "It is likely something roughly like this."
When it really something exactly like, quite simply, a copy of an "Azimuthal Equidistant Projection" of a globe ?

Googleotomy, why do you respond to the same post, multiple times I might add, two weeks late and not add any new content? 

Quote from: ausGeoff on November 18, 2014, 06:33:55 PM

Quote from: markjo on November 18, 2014, 06:05:14 PM

Quote from: jroa on November 18, 2014, 10:14:53 AM

I already told you that I am not a pilot.

Why would someone need to be a pilot (or even a navigator) to be able to calculate flight times? 

Because then jroa—who's stated that he's not a pilot—can save face and not have to figure out the flight timings question I asked him LOL.   His obvious implication is that only pilots are capable of doing this.  Which is nonsensical.

You, claiming that a lay person can make calculations that pilots have to spend years to perfect, is nonsensical.

Not as nonsensical as thinking that it takes years to learn how to calculate flight times.

Summary of the failed FET's thus far:

-Jroa failed to respond to the fact that the RE map he presented and criticized was a projection.

-Jroa failed to respond to the fact this his flat earth map is completely flawed thanks to Lemmiwinks proof.

-Jroa failed to provide evidence of the supposed "NASA formulas."

-Jroa failed to provide his own data on the Sydney/Perth flight times

-Jroa failed to realize how ridiculous the statement (in context) "You, claiming that a lay person can make calculations that pilots have to spend years to perfect, is nonsensical. " is.

Good job.

I fail to see how any of the RE'ers proved the opposite. 

Quote from: ausGeoff on November 18, 2014, 06:33:55 PM

Quote from: markjo on November 18, 2014, 06:05:14 PM

Quote from: jroa on November 18, 2014, 10:14:53 AM

I already told you that I am not a pilot.

Why would someone need to be a pilot (or even a navigator) to be able to calculate flight times? 

Because then jroa—who's stated that he's not a pilot—can save face and not have to figure out the flight timings question I asked him LOL.   His obvious implication is that only pilots are capable of doing this.  Which is nonsensical.

You, claiming that a lay person can make calculations that pilots have to spend years to perfect, is nonsensical.

Lol!

What kind of retarded pilots take years to master this equation:

distance / speed

Quote from: jroa on November 19, 2014, 04:02:20 AM

Quote from: ausGeoff on November 18, 2014, 06:33:55 PM

Quote from: markjo on November 18, 2014, 06:05:14 PM

Quote from: jroa on November 18, 2014, 10:14:53 AM

I already told you that I am not a pilot.

Why would someone need to be a pilot (or even a navigator) to be able to calculate flight times? 

Because then jroa—who's stated that he's not a pilot—can save face and not have to figure out the flight timings question I asked him LOL.   His obvious implication is that only pilots are capable of doing this.  Which is nonsensical.

You, claiming that a lay person can make calculations that pilots have to spend years to perfect, is nonsensical.

Lol!

What kind of retarded pilots take years to master this equation:

distance / speed

Are you claiming that new pilots can just take a weekend course or something? 

C'mon Jroa.  You are terrible.

C'mon Jroa.  You are terrible.

He is.

Quote from: inquisitive on November 19, 2014, 04:30:11 AM

Quote from: jroa on November 19, 2014, 04:29:11 AM

Quote from: inquisitive on November 19, 2014, 04:27:23 AM

Quote from: jroa on November 19, 2014, 04:02:20 AM

Quote from: ausGeoff on November 18, 2014, 06:33:55 PM

Quote from: markjo on November 18, 2014, 06:05:14 PM

Quote from: jroa on November 18, 2014, 10:14:53 AM

I already told you that I am not a pilot.

Why would someone need to be a pilot (or even a navigator) to be able to calculate flight times? 

Because then jroa—who's stated that he's not a pilot—can save face and not have to figure out the flight timings question I asked him LOL.   His obvious implication is that only pilots are capable of doing this.  Which is nonsensical.

You, claiming that a lay person can make calculations that pilots have to spend years to perfect, is nonsensical.

Air traffic control people, engineers, scientists can if it is their job.

They use formulas provided by NASA.

Wrong. Why the NASA obsession?

How am I wrong?

Obvious troll is obvious.

The NASA formula that he speaks of is d/r=t, you know Distance divided by Rate equals Time.

Thats right, he is somehow trying to say NASA has altered reality and thats why only trained pilots can possibly figure out how big a distance is.

And before you post your vague rhetorical response jroa, like any basic middle school algebra equation any of those three can be the variable. If I know the speed of the plane and the time it took me to get somewhere, I can figure out the distance.

Quote from: jroa on November 19, 2014, 04:33:12 AM

Quote from: inquisitive on November 19, 2014, 04:30:11 AM

Quote from: jroa on November 19, 2014, 04:29:11 AM

Quote from: inquisitive on November 19, 2014, 04:27:23 AM

Quote from: jroa on November 19, 2014, 04:02:20 AM

Quote from: ausGeoff on November 18, 2014, 06:33:55 PM

Quote from: markjo on November 18, 2014, 06:05:14 PM

Quote from: jroa on November 18, 2014, 10:14:53 AM

I already told you that I am not a pilot.

Why would someone need to be a pilot (or even a navigator) to be able to calculate flight times? 

Because then jroa—who's stated that he's not a pilot—can save face and not have to figure out the flight timings question I asked him LOL.   His obvious implication is that only pilots are capable of doing this.  Which is nonsensical.

You, claiming that a lay person can make calculations that pilots have to spend years to perfect, is nonsensical.

Air traffic control people, engineers, scientists can if it is their job.

They use formulas provided by NASA.

Wrong. Why the NASA obsession?

How am I wrong?

Obvious troll is obvious.

The NASA formula that he speaks of is d/r=t, you know Distance divided by Rate equals Time.

Thats right, he is somehow trying to say NASA has altered reality and thats why only trained pilots can possibly figure out how big a distance is.

And before you post your vague rhetorical response jroa, like any basic middle school algebra equation any of those three can be the variable. If I know the speed of the plane and the time it took me to get somewhere, I can figure out the distance.

lol, I suppose that you have never heard of Einstein's theory of relativity. 

Quote from: Lemmiwinks on November 21, 2014, 09:14:19 AM

Quote from: jroa on November 19, 2014, 04:33:12 AM

Quote from: inquisitive on November 19, 2014, 04:30:11 AM

Quote from: jroa on November 19, 2014, 04:29:11 AM

Quote from: inquisitive on November 19, 2014, 04:27:23 AM

Quote from: jroa on November 19, 2014, 04:02:20 AM

Quote from: ausGeoff on November 18, 2014, 06:33:55 PM

Quote from: markjo on November 18, 2014, 06:05:14 PM

Quote from: jroa on November 18, 2014, 10:14:53 AM

I already told you that I am not a pilot.

Why would someone need to be a pilot (or even a navigator) to be able to calculate flight times? 

Because then jroa—who's stated that he's not a pilot—can save face and not have to figure out the flight timings question I asked him LOL.   His obvious implication is that only pilots are capable of doing this.  Which is nonsensical.

You, claiming that a lay person can make calculations that pilots have to spend years to perfect, is nonsensical.

Air traffic control people, engineers, scientists can if it is their job.

They use formulas provided by NASA.

Wrong. Why the NASA obsession?

How am I wrong?

Obvious troll is obvious.

The NASA formula that he speaks of is d/r=t, you know Distance divided by Rate equals Time.

Thats right, he is somehow trying to say NASA has altered reality and thats why only trained pilots can possibly figure out how big a distance is.

And before you post your vague rhetorical response jroa, like any basic middle school algebra equation any of those three can be the variable. If I know the speed of the plane and the time it took me to get somewhere, I can figure out the distance.

lol, I suppose that you have never heard of Einstein's theory of relativity.

Wait, back up.

I am going to assume you are speaking of the Special Theory of Relativity and not the General one, so I'll go from there.

Are you saying that in 1905, about fifty years before NASA was formed, and not even in America, NASA made up this formula?

OR, are you saying that because of the planes speed the time it traveled will be so significantly altered that the distance will be off?

If the first, then obvious troll is also not even trying troll.

If the second, then you admit that the theory is valid, and then me and you can sit down and actually crunch the numbers right here, right now on how much of a time dilation there would be at 570 mph.

Though I assume your response will be something along the lines of "what do you think I think?"

I guess I hit that point where you cant engage me in what I am saying anymore, so you go back to waiting for someone else to use a metaphor that you can then take too literally then respond to their response with a question that rephrases their question but says little.

Only been a member for two days and I can read you like a book. tsk.

btw, in case you were wondering, after a six hour flight time will have dilated roughly .00000001 seconds total. I think that the sixth grade level d/r=t equation will still be accurate enough. No need to bring Einstein into it.

lol, I suppose that you have never heard of Einstein's theory of relativity.

Before you take this thread even more off-topic jroa, could you please address my earlier posting.....

Are you now admitting that you're (apparently) unable to figure out the correct flight time from Perth to Sydney using your flat earth map?  And if you are able, then please do so.

I calculate it as 3hrs 35mins.  What do you calculate it as jroa?