Well once again you can't make a coherent argument. Anyways, to see how you are wrong you could just do as I have stated earlier, just place a basketball on a table and then walk around the table while spinning. You will see that the basketball can rise in the east. Not that hard.
That's not what I was saying at all. In my last post I said "if Earth is turning and orbiting East to West then the Sun appears to orbit West to East.". In heliocentrism Earth turns and orbits West to East.
Saying "earth orbits west to east" is confusing you. Again.
Please look at and see if you can understand the figure below. It shows a representation of the Earth with its direction of rotation, and the direction it follows in its orbit about the sun, viewed from north of the orbital plane. Also shown are two stick figures - "Mr. D" on the daylit side of earth, and "Mr. N" on the nighttime side. Each of these two gents has
his east and
his west indicated.
If there's something about the following figure or the explanation you don't understand,
please ask before wasting your time drawing yet another figure or embellishing this one, and wasting our time trying to figure out what the hell you mean.
Note that, for "Mr. N", the arrow representing the rotation of earth that's going through him is generally pointing toward the top of the figure, same as the general direction of the longer arrows representing direction the Earth is traveling in its orbit. "Mr. N" could say the Earth appears to be travelling in its orbit from
his west toward
his east (bottom to top of the drawing). Now, at the exact same time, the rotation arrow skewering "Mr. D" is pointing generally toward the bottom of the picture - the
opposite direction as the longer arrows indicating earth's travel in orbit. "Mr. D" could say the Earth appears to be travelling from
his east toward
his west (remember, earth is still moving along its orbit toward the top of the drawing). Who is right? They both are, of course. This is why saying the Earth is traveling west to east or east to west in its orbit
has no meaning in your context.
Thus the Sun would be going west throughout the (side-real) day thus your (solar) day would be shortened (compared to your sidereal), because Earth would be turning West to East, the Sun would appear to be moving East to West. However because the rising of the Sun in the East would just be an illusion of the Earth moving West to East, if you physically moved the Sun west throughout the day because of Earth's eastern orbit, then your westward starting point of the day prior would have moved so that it was closer to you, thus the solar day would be shorter then the sidereal day.
OK. This is where your confusion is. The sun appears to be going west during the daytime because of the west to east rotation of the Earth (I think we both agree on this). At the same time, the Earth is
moving slowly to the west along its orbit (from "Mr. D's" perspective - it's daytime, remember), which makes the Sun appear to be drifting slowly to the east against the background stars to "Mr. D". Because the Sun continuously drifts in this direction (whether "Mr. D" is facing it or not at any given moment), it rises a little later, relative to some star, each day, making the solar day
longer than the sidereal day.
It's so obvious, once you know this fact, you know that Earth simply cannot be orbiting nor rotating about the Sun
I hope this clears that up for you.
and because I also know that the Earth curves up by measuring the horizon, I know that I have to be living inside the Earth. (Also there was an experiment that ran parallel with the horizon and found that indeed the land does curve up exactly as I expected, it was my data that led me to the concave Earth theory before I knew others believed in the same thing as I did)
You have
never adequately explained why the horizon should only occupy only the bottom quarter of your field of view on a flat or convex earth when centered on the horizontal. Nor have you adequately explained why we wouldn't see distant parts of the Earth rising above us with no horizon whatsoever if the earth were concave, and how a sunset would work in such a world.
The experiment you refer to is, I think, the "
Rectilineator". This was an experiment to measure the curvature of earth using 12-foot long wooden beams with brass fittings supported on wooden posts set end-to-end, and painstakingly adjusted to be absolutely straight, along an ocean beach, for more than four miles. The experiment was conducted by a group trying to prove that the Earth was concave. Not much chance to have errors creep into that, is there?
Are you setting up for another "sidefake" gag? If so, please don't. It was cute once, but only once, and we get it. It's "sidereal" (which means "of or with respect to the distant stars"), without the hyphen.