Big Bang Theory too easily accepted

Since we know so very little about dark matter and energy, and these make up almost 95 % of the known universe, how can we have a theory of the universe (called the Big Bang) that does not provide any real explanation of the vast (pun intended) majority of the universe?
It seems a terrible misnomer, and maybe the Big Bang Theory should be revised to state that it may account for the origin of baryonic matter (or "normal matter") that makes up 4.9 % of the universe.
We need to know more about the mysterious 95% of the universe before we start trying to confirm theories about its origin! The origin of the Baryonic matter Universe may just be one small part of a much bigger picture.
A lack of varied proposed origins, plus a few equations, should not be enough to convince all of mankind that we know how this entire mysterious universe formed! How simplistic to think that accepted principles here apply to the whole universe throughout all of time!
Some people are wholly unable to bear the splendid magnificence of Nature and try their very best to shrink it into a few sad little numerical equations. Better to enjoy its magic and learn to enjoy the experience of WONDER and AMAZEMENT.

I bet there are a bunch of physicists chomping at the bit to utterly destroy the Big Bang theory.

It looks like there is an evolution agenda by our global controllers.  I do not know if it's true, but I do know that the Jesuit order wants Christianity wiped off of the face of the Earth.  I can't believe in the Big Bang because I have learned of so much science fraud.  I myself am an atheist and I am aware of what's really going on in the world.  The Hubble space telescope never existed in orbit, because the space walks were filmed in a giant water tank.  Space walks are fake and impossible in real life.  Everything NASA is doing in regards to "space" is complete nonsense, and that goes for satellites.  This is a very important comment I posted on a youtube video, and it's the truth:

"FYI space travel is impossible.  NASA is doing NOTHING in space.  There aren't even real pictures of the Earth from space, when there should be thousands by now.  Their two most popular images are the Apollo 17 "blue marble" (the most overused NASA image of all time) and their most downloaded image which is the Blue Marble 2012, which they admit is a composite!  They don't even pretend that they took that from space.  They can't even give you at least 100 composite images, and the "real" ones are mostly Apollo images.  Space travel is impossible.  If they could take pictures of the Earth, they would.  And they can't.  We are so brainwashed, that they don't really care either.  Learn about the Jesuit order.  It's what NASA is a tool for.  When NASA claims that they have found life in the universe, you and over 2 billion other people are going to believe it.  And that's sad.  Because they are going to make that announcement for a very sick reason in the following years after that."

I don't know if the big bang is made up nonsense, but considering that the Hubble images are fraud, I can't have any trust in what the "scientists/astronomers/Jesuits" are actually saying about a big bang.  I don't believe dinosaurs existed either, but I can't find any hard evidence for or against dinosaurs, so I don't know what the history is with that.  From everything I have learned, it does look like there is an "evolution" agenda.  I actually feel like evolution is how we got here, because I can't see any other way that makes sense to me, but this world is controlled.  It's been that way.  I highly recommend not watching television.  It is not just garbage, it is a brainwashing tool.

It looks like there is an evolution agenda by our global controllers.  I do not know if it's true, but I do know that the Jesuit order wants Christianity wiped off of the face of the Earth.  I can't believe in the Big Bang because I have learned of so much science fraud.  I myself am an atheist and I am aware of what's really going on in the world.  The Hubble space telescope never existed in orbit, because the space walks were filmed in a giant water tank.  Space walks are fake and impossible in real life.  Everything NASA is doing in regards to "space" is complete nonsense, and that goes for satellites.

I'm also a lifelong atheist, but your claims about the Jesuits—the so-called "soldiers of God"—are totally erroneous, and makes me think you're one of the radical "new atheists".

Your absurd claims alleging the falsity of the Hubble telescope, Apollo missions, space walks, NASA, and satellites have been discussed in literally hundreds of threads here, so I'm not going to waste bandwidth chewing over the meaning of bread.

Any purported science "frauds" you've "learned" about have all undoubtedly been culled from unreliable, non-scientific sources.  And if you believe that this is not so, please feel free to post a few of those sources.

But I'm betting you won't.  There aren't any.

It looks like there is an evolution agenda by our global controllers.  I do not know if it's true, but I do know that the Jesuit order wants Christianity wiped off of the face of the Earth.  I can't believe in the Big Bang because I have learned of so much science fraud.  I myself am an atheist and I am aware of what's really going on in the world.  The Hubble space telescope never existed in orbit, because the space walks were filmed in a giant water tank.  Space walks are fake and impossible in real life.  Everything NASA is doing in regards to "space" is complete nonsense, and that goes for satellites.  This is a very important comment I posted on a youtube video, and it's the truth:

"FYI space travel is impossible.  NASA is doing NOTHING in space.  There aren't even real pictures of the Earth from space, when there should be thousands by now.  Their two most popular images are the Apollo 17 "blue marble" (the most overused NASA image of all time) and their most downloaded image which is the Blue Marble 2012, which they admit is a composite!  They don't even pretend that they took that from space.  They can't even give you at least 100 composite images, and the "real" ones are mostly Apollo images.  Space travel is impossible.  If they could take pictures of the Earth, they would.  And they can't.  We are so brainwashed, that they don't really care either.  Learn about the Jesuit order.  It's what NASA is a tool for.  When NASA claims that they have found life in the universe, you and over 2 billion other people are going to believe it.  And that's sad.  Because they are going to make that announcement for a very sick reason in the following years after that."

I don't know if the big bang is made up nonsense, but considering that the Hubble images are fraud, I can't have any trust in what the "scientists/astronomers/Jesuits" are actually saying about a big bang.  I don't believe dinosaurs existed either, but I can't find any hard evidence for or against dinosaurs, so I don't know what the history is with that.  From everything I have learned, it does look like there is an "evolution" agenda.  I actually feel like evolution is how we got here, because I can't see any other way that makes sense to me, but this world is controlled.  It's been that way.  I highly recommend not watching television.  It is not just garbage, it is a brainwashing tool.

Excellent post and I totally agree with your sentiments. We are definitely being spun a massive web of lies. It's probably so big that even those controlling them will be struggling to keep track.
People aren't stupid. Most people know, to a certain point they are dealing with liars, it's just that those liars always add in emotional content to stop people from questioning those lies, resulting in the majority of people who would normally question stuff, back off or supress their true thoughts.

It's one sick world we live in, run by monsters dressed in suits.

Excellent post and I totally agree with your sentiments. We are definitely being spun a massive web of lies. It's probably so big that even those controlling them will be struggling to keep track.

People aren't stupid. Most people know, to a certain point they are dealing with liars, it's just that those liars always add in emotional content to stop people from questioning those lies, resulting in the majority of people who would normally question stuff, back off or suppress their true thoughts.

It's one sick world we live in, run by monsters dressed in suits.

LOL... and right on cue, the forum's resident dullard steps in to support one of the whackier claims made in the past couple of days.

sceptimatic is right about one thing though—most people aren't stupid. But unfortunately, he's not one of those people.  He seems to suck up misinformation like a sponge sucks up water.  It would seem as though his mind is so open that his brain has fallen out.

If he'd done his due diligence on John Reynaga he would've discovered that Reynaga is totally off the planet—almost literally.  His whole life is one massive accumulation of absurd conspiracy theories, and he knows as much about science as I do about knitting socks.

And it's no surprise that nutters like Reynaga inevitably find a gullible audience in ill-educated people such as sceptimatic.

Quote from: sceptimatic on October 03, 2014, 03:06:59 AM

Excellent post and I totally agree with your sentiments. We are definitely being spun a massive web of lies. It's probably so big that even those controlling them will be struggling to keep track.

People aren't stupid. Most people know, to a certain point they are dealing with liars, it's just that those liars always add in emotional content to stop people from questioning those lies, resulting in the majority of people who would normally question stuff, back off or suppress their true thoughts.

It's one sick world we live in, run by monsters dressed in suits.

LOL... and right on cue, the forum's resident dullard steps in to support one of the whackier claims made in the past couple of days.

sceptimatic is right about one thing though—most people aren't stupid. But unfortunately, he's not one of those people.  He seems to suck up misinformation like a sponge sucks up water.  It would seem as though his mind is so open that his brain has fallen out.

If he'd done his due diligence on John Reynaga he would've discovered that Reynaga is totally off the planet—almost literally.  His whole life is one massive accumulation of absurd conspiracy theories, and he knows as much about science as I do about knitting socks.

And it's no surprise that nutters like Reynaga inevitably find a gullible audience in ill-educated people such as sceptimatic.

"Stupid" is a relative term.

Since we know so very little about dark matter and energy, and these make up almost 95 % of the known universe, how can we have a theory of the universe (called the Big Bang) that does not provide any real explanation of the vast (pun intended) majority of the universe?
It seems a terrible misnomer, and maybe the Big Bang Theory should be revised to state that it may account for the origin of baryonic matter (or "normal matter") that makes up 4.9 % of the universe.
We need to know more about the mysterious 95% of the universe before we start trying to confirm theories about its origin! The origin of the Baryonic matter Universe may just be one small part of a much bigger picture.
A lack of varied proposed origins, plus a few equations, should not be enough to convince all of mankind that we know how this entire mysterious universe formed! How simplistic to think that accepted principles here apply to the whole universe throughout all of time!
Some people are wholly unable to bear the splendid magnificence of Nature and try their very best to shrink it into a few sad little numerical equations. Better to enjoy its magic and learn to enjoy the experience of WONDER and AMAZEMENT.

As a grad student in physics I would be happy to comment. Firstly, we only know about dark matter and energy because of the work of astronomers, cosmologists and others. The Big Bang has undergone modifications in the past, inflation, to describe aspects of the universe. As more is learned the theory will be adjusted. And possibly supplanted by a new one entirely. That is how science works. The cosmological constant (which looks like it will actually be a function) handles the dark energy.

I am currently mostly convinced by BB because of the empirical evidence supporting it, and the predictive power it has had. Not because of, as you put it, a lack of alternatives and some equations. Particle theory, cosmology, astrophysics, have all contributed to evidence for the theory. BB is far from complete. But it it the best solution we have at the moment. There are several good books on the topic I could refer you to if you are interested.

Firstly, we only know about dark matter and energy because of the work of astronomers, cosmologists and others.

And this is a major sticking point with the flat earthers;  they refuse to accept the theories that these people develop, or in fact that they're academically qualified to to formulate these theories.  Their other fallback of course is that all these scientists—millions of them all over the planet—are a part of some giant global conspiracy to hide the purported "fact" that the earth is flat.  And unfortunately—for the flat earthers themselves—any number of degrees in the sciences of astronomy, astrophysics, cosmologists etc is simply not good enough evidence for their claims. You'll also note that not one single flat earther on these forums has any accredited, relevant qualifications in order to comment meaningfully on any of this stuff. 

There are several good books on the topic I could refer you to if you are interested.

This is a good idea, but not only are flat earthers not interested in reading any books about the subject, most of them don't accept what's written in technical books anyway.  Instead, they all claim some sort of "innate" knowledge that grants them the insight—denied to round earthers—to ascertain what's true science and what's bogus science.  Unfortunately—again for them—they seem to attract every sort of pseudo-science whack job on the interwebs and hang on their every word as though it's the gospel truth.

I'd be interested in your quoting a few books—as long as they're accessible by the average lay person and not totally filled with esoteric scientific "jargon".  Thanks.

Sure Geoff,

I never expect to change the minds of the true believers. But someone curious and passing by, I hope to keep those folks from falling down these rabbit holes.

The First Three Minutes
http://www.amazon.com/The-First-Three-Minutes-Universe/dp/0465024378

A bit outdated now, but gets you started.

A Universe from Nothing
http://www.amazon.com/Universe-Nothing-There-Something-Rather/dp/1451624468/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1415078847&sr=1-1&keywords=universe+from+nothing

Much more recent.

Both are for lay folks with some basic science knowledge and interest. Enjoy!

Thanks Donald.  I've got them bookmarked.   

I'm familiar with Krauss, but can't recall seeing anything by Weinberg.

(And hopefully some of the more astute flat earthers will follow these up as well...  Hope springs eternal LOL.)

Enjoy Geoff.   I see Thoughtful, the thread starter has not said anything at all. Actual physics guy here he can talk to about his query and he clams up. Such is life on TFES.   I still want one of the shirts. 

I've always found it quite interesting that what would become known as the Big Bang theory was originally proposed by a Catholic priest.

I've always found it quite interesting that what would become known as the Big Bang theory was originally proposed by a Catholic priest.

He was not just a priest. He was a leading astronomer of the time. He ran the Vatican Observatory. When he first proposed it at a physics meeting to Einstein, Einstein scoffed at him. Rebuked him pretty hard. But when more empirical data came in he was able to convince Einstein and others.

An interesting side note; the Pope at the time felt that the BB gave the universe a definitive beginning in keeping with Genesis and a divine creator. He asked the priest if he wanted him to make the BB official church doctrine. He declined, stating that the church should stay out of such matters.

It looks like there is an evolution agenda by our global controllers.  I do not know if it's true, but I do know that the Jesuit order wants Christianity wiped off of the face of the Earth.  I can't believe in the Big Bang because I have learned of so much science fraud.  I myself am an atheist and I am aware of what's really going on in the world.  The Hubble space telescope never existed in orbit, because the space walks were filmed in a giant water tank.  Space walks are fake and impossible in real life.  Everything NASA is doing in regards to "space" is complete nonsense, and that goes for satellites.  This is a very important comment I posted on a youtube video, and it's the truth:

"FYI space travel is impossible.  NASA is doing NOTHING in space.  There aren't even real pictures of the Earth from space, when there should be thousands by now.  Their two most popular images are the Apollo 17 "blue marble" (the most overused NASA image of all time) and their most downloaded image which is the Blue Marble 2012, which they admit is a composite!  They don't even pretend that they took that from space.  They can't even give you at least 100 composite images, and the "real" ones are mostly Apollo images.  Space travel is impossible.  If they could take pictures of the Earth, they would.  And they can't.  We are so brainwashed, that they don't really care either.  Learn about the Jesuit order.  It's what NASA is a tool for.  When NASA claims that they have found life in the universe, you and over 2 billion other people are going to believe it.  And that's sad.  Because they are going to make that announcement for a very sick reason in the following years after that."

I don't know if the big bang is made up nonsense, but considering that the Hubble images are fraud, I can't have any trust in what the "scientists/astronomers/Jesuits" are actually saying about a big bang.  I don't believe dinosaurs existed either, but I can't find any hard evidence for or against dinosaurs, so I don't know what the history is with that.  From everything I have learned, it does look like there is an "evolution" agenda.  I actually feel like evolution is how we got here, because I can't see any other way that makes sense to me, but this world is controlled.  It's been that way.  I highly recommend not watching television.  It is not just garbage, it is a brainwashing tool.

Hang on, aren't the Jesuits Catholic Christians, and sort of evangelical?   Why would they want "Christianity wiped off of the face of the Earth" ??  But I do agree that there is an evolution agenda and that this world is controlled. And I too believe that there is something not right about NASA.  I'm not religious nor atheist but just searching for the truth.

Quote from: johnreynaga on October 02, 2014, 10:50:57 PM

It looks like there is an evolution agenda by our global controllers.
       

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I highly recommend not watching television.  It is not just garbage, it is a brainwashing tool.

Hang on, aren't the Jesuits Catholic Christians, and sort of evangelical?   Why would they want "Christianity wiped off of the face of the Earth" ??  But I do agree that there is an evolution agenda and that this world is controlled. And I too believe that there is something not right about NASA.  I'm not religious nor atheist but just searching for the truth.

Firstly, you should know that John Reynaga ia a well-known internet loony-tunes, and I'm surprised RationalWiki doesn't yet list him in their List of Internet Kooks.

These two clips of his are full of so much absolute bullshit that they've now been deleted by YouTube since I first quoted them LOL.

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The above is an image of this mentally dysfunctional young man.  He doesn't look old enough to have gained much worldly wisdom does he LOL.  And it shows.

The following is typical of the sort of rubbish he posts all over the web:  "We are being lied to about the space programs of the world powers.  NASA is total fraud, and exists to lie to the American people.  I'm guessing that if they have any real function, they must be like an extension of the military or something.  There aren't satellites orbiting the Earth, we didn't visit the moon, and we aren't probing our solar system with anything.  The Mars landers from the 70's and the more recent rovers were all nonsense as well.  Nuclear weapons don't even exist.  We have global controllers and we are being lied to every single day of our lives."

Anybody with a functioning brain will notice that Reynaga never supports his absurd claims with any empirical evidence.  He apparently reckons we should accept what he's saying as the truth simply because he says it's so.

Apart from seemingly thinking that people actually listen to what he has to say with any credulity, he also seems to seriously believe in his own bizarre theories. One can only assume that he's self-delusional to a serious degree, or more likely has a paranoid personality disorder.  People with paranoid personality disorder are generally characterized by having a long-standing pattern of pervasive distrust and suspiciousness of others.  They'll also invariably  believe that other people’s motives are suspect or even malevolent, and assume that other people will exploit, harm, or deceive them, even if no evidence exists to support this expectation.

Does this sound like poor young John?  Sure does.   


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Narowing down the universe into a few simple equasions does not destroy the elegance of the universe because simplicity is the ultimate elegance.  The reason that the Big Bang theory is so widely accepted is because the universe is expanding, and from that you can infer that it was once condensed into a single point.  Scientists don't pretend like that's for sure the answer and they are still open to new ideas, but they go with the Big Bang theory because that's the tgeory that fits the best with observations, which is also incidentally why the Earth being round is so widely accepted.

We don't know for sure how the universe started out, but making speculations will get you a lot further then just leaving it at I don't know.  Scientists are not pretending like they have all the answers, genes the word "theory" at the end of "Big Bang theory".  I personally thing that the Big Bang theory is the theory that fits best with evidence, so AI believe it, but if you were to present me with a theory that fits the evidence better then I would believe that.

Quote from: johnreynaga on October 02, 2014, 10:50:57 PM

It looks like there is an evolution agenda by our global controllers.  I do not know if it's true, but I do know that the Jesuit order wants Christianity wiped off of the face of the Earth.  I can't believe in the Big Bang because I have learned of so much science fraud.  I myself am an atheist and I am aware of what's really going on in the world.  The Hubble space telescope never existed in orbit, because the space walks were filmed in a giant water tank.  Space walks are fake and impossible in real life.  Everything NASA is doing in regards to "space" is complete nonsense, and that goes for satellites.  This is a very important comment I posted on a youtube video, and it's the truth:

"FYI space travel is impossible.  NASA is doing NOTHING in space.  There aren't even real pictures of the Earth from space, when there should be thousands by now.  Their two most popular images are the Apollo 17 "blue marble" (the most overused NASA image of all time) and their most downloaded image which is the Blue Marble 2012, which they admit is a composite!  They don't even pretend that they took that from space.  They can't even give you at least 100 composite images, and the "real" ones are mostly Apollo images.  Space travel is impossible.  If they could take pictures of the Earth, they would.  And they can't.  We are so brainwashed, that they don't really care either.  Learn about the Jesuit order.  It's what NASA is a tool for.  When NASA claims that they have found life in the universe, you and over 2 billion other people are going to believe it.  And that's sad.  Because they are going to make that announcement for a very sick reason in the following years after that."

I don't know if the big bang is made up nonsense, but considering that the Hubble images are fraud, I can't have any trust in what the "scientists/astronomers/Jesuits" are actually saying about a big bang.  I don't believe dinosaurs existed either, but I can't find any hard evidence for or against dinosaurs, so I don't know what the history is with that.  From everything I have learned, it does look like there is an "evolution" agenda.  I actually feel like evolution is how we got here, because I can't see any other way that makes sense to me, but this world is controlled.  It's been that way.  I highly recommend not watching television.  It is not just garbage, it is a brainwashing tool.

Hang on, aren't the Jesuits Catholic Christians, and sort of evangelical?   Why would they want "Christianity wiped off of the face of the Earth" ??  But I do agree that there is an evolution agenda and that this world is controlled. And I too believe that there is something not right about NASA.  I'm not religious nor atheist but just searching for the truth.

I believe the Jesuits are a sub order of Catholics, headed by the dark pope. Look on the internet for their vowels. Ibelieve they are creepy, and maybe responsible for a lot of chaos. Reynaga is not stupid like the fools in this thread are saying.

Reynaga is not stupid like the fools in this thread are saying.

John Reyanga has recently deleted his account at LiveLeak.com, but you can still check out one of his lunatic raves here...

Sandy Hook Shooting - Is it all about gun control? Or something worse?

Listen in particular to the constant stream of foul language, and his consistently misogynistic attitude towards women—possibly due to an overbearing mother during childhood?  He obviously bears some sort of major grudge against almost the entire world, which in (alleged) adults is a common sign of an overbearing and manipulated childhood.  Reynaga also bears the classic hallmarks of a paranoid personality disorder.

viz...  "People with paranoid personality disorder are generally characterized by having a long-standing pattern of pervasive distrust and suspiciousness of others.  A person with paranoid personality disorder will nearly always believe that other people’s motives are suspect or even malevolent.  Although they may appear to be objective, rational, and unemotional, they more often display a labile range of affect, with hostile, stubborn, and sarcastic expressions predominating. Their combative and suspicious nature may elicit a hostile response in others, which then serves to confirm their original expectations".

So, contrary to hoppy's claim, Reynaga IS most definitely stupid, and his rantings should be ignored totally.

I actually get headaches reading his posts. It hurts trying to wrap my mind around the complete lack of any logic there is behind them.