Too HIGH to LIE!

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Re: Too HIGH to LIE!
« Reply #60 on: November 05, 2014, 12:51:15 AM »
Sculelos, big thanks for the elaborate post.

Now if you believe the Earth is concave, but the planets and the Moon are real, solid objects inside the sphere, could you please share your ideas about their size? Obviously, if you're right they must be much smaller than officially claimed. But if they are much smaller how come we see them consistently with the RE model? The Moon is seen over large territories simultaneously. If it were much smaller that wouldn't be possible, at least not in the way it is currently seen. The same thing goes for the Sun. If the Sun was inside the sphere, it would be really difficult to do its job the way it does now. I haven't seen a meaningful working model for that yet. Wild Heretic pretends to have figured it out, but in my impression the results are far from conclusive and convincing. That is why he suggests a lot of what we see in the sky is an illusion. At least he realizes the astronomical observations don't really support concave Earth, but you seem to be oblivious to that. I don't see how the planets and the Moon can be real and the Earth is concave or flat. Anyone who believes in flat or concave Earth should necessarily try to destroy the current belief that the celestial bodies are real objects. Otherwise, it will never make any sense.

About the size of celestial objects which are planets. I'm not sure the true size of any planets, some concave earth believers say they are very tiny but I say size mostly doesn't matter much as you shrink down considerably the closer you get to any planet so obviously the planets are going to look much smaller from Earth then they will then if you get up close to the planets. It's one of the reasons I think the Earth looks much smaller then it really is from the Moon photos. (I can also make the Moon look huge if I use forced perspective and optical zoom in photographs)

I am sorry to say, but the above explanation simply doesn't make sense to me. You do realize that if the Earth is concave there will be a limited space inside? You cannot literally shrink yourself the closer you get to anything. What are you trying to say? Are you saying that from 6 ft you will become 1 ft? Really?
You don't have an idea what you're saying if you cannot provide any specific details. Unless you can present a working CE model, it is all mumbo jumbo. How big is the Moon? How big is the Sun? Where do you get your inspiration from? Your imagination?

Re: Too HIGH to LIE!
« Reply #61 on: November 05, 2014, 04:09:38 AM »
I think for him to retain one last shred of credibility, cikljamas needs to refrain from repeatedly citing two sources for his so-called "evidence".

1)   Samuel Rowbotham
2)   energeticforum.com

The first guy—and his "experiments" of 150 years ago—have been more than totally debunked on these forum pages.  No more need be said.

The second (forum) is part of something known as the "Energetic Science Ministries" which is run by some whack-job named Aaron Murakami who describes himself as a "Spiritual Entrepreneur".  The only purported "qualification" he lays claim to (a phony Bachelor of Science in Natural Health) was obtained from what's known in the trade as a diploma mill;  in this case the Clayton College of Natural Health, in Alabama, and which was shut down in July 2010 after a massive class-action (5,000+ plaintiffs) case of fraud was brought to court.

However... if you want a good laugh to brighten up a dull work day, and marvel at some gullible people's stupidity, by all means check out the site HERE.  You won't believe some of the pseudo-scientific drivel they publish... and charge for LOL.

I checked out that website. Technical remote viewing? LMAO are you f-ing serious?

Re: Too HIGH to LIE!
« Reply #62 on: November 05, 2014, 04:15:29 AM »
why can't you see more then say 707 ft in this photo (.133 of a mile) by Earth curvature calculations you should be able to see about 5.28 times further.


Because that picture is a rather poor photoshop attempt.

FE'ers HAVE to call this photoshopped because if they didn't, it would blow their theory out of the water. I don't see any reason to believe it is photoshopped. There's no atmosphere on the moon, so everything is much crisper and clearer than on earth.

No "bendy" light?

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Re: Too HIGH to LIE!
« Reply #63 on: November 05, 2014, 07:44:50 AM »
According to your idiotic "logic" or idiotic "reasoning" you should consider yourself as an ultimate idiots since you continuously take part in various discussions on a Flat Earth Society forum...
"I can't breathe" George Floyd RIP

Re: Too HIGH to LIE!
« Reply #64 on: November 05, 2014, 09:47:23 PM »
Sculelos, big thanks for the elaborate post.

Now if you believe the Earth is concave, but the planets and the Moon are real, solid objects inside the sphere, could you please share your ideas about their size? Obviously, if you're right they must be much smaller than officially claimed. But if they are much smaller how come we see them consistently with the RE model? The Moon is seen over large territories simultaneously. If it were much smaller that wouldn't be possible, at least not in the way it is currently seen. The same thing goes for the Sun. If the Sun was inside the sphere, it would be really difficult to do its job the way it does now. I haven't seen a meaningful working model for that yet. Wild Heretic pretends to have figured it out, but in my impression the results are far from conclusive and convincing. That is why he suggests a lot of what we see in the sky is an illusion. At least he realizes the astronomical observations don't really support concave Earth, but you seem to be oblivious to that. I don't see how the planets and the Moon can be real and the Earth is concave or flat. Anyone who believes in flat or concave Earth should necessarily try to destroy the current belief that the celestial bodies are real objects. Otherwise, it will never make any sense.

About the size of celestial objects which are planets. I'm not sure the true size of any planets, some concave earth believers say they are very tiny but I say size mostly doesn't matter much as you shrink down considerably the closer you get to any planet so obviously the planets are going to look much smaller from Earth then they will then if you get up close to the planets. It's one of the reasons I think the Earth looks much smaller then it really is from the Moon photos. (I can also make the Moon look huge if I use forced perspective and optical zoom in photographs)

I am sorry to say, but the above explanation simply doesn't make sense to me. You do realize that if the Earth is concave there will be a limited space inside? You cannot literally shrink yourself the closer you get to anything. What are you trying to say? Are you saying that from 6 ft you will become 1 ft? Really?
You don't have an idea what you're saying if you cannot provide any specific details. Unless you can present a working CE model, it is all mumbo jumbo. How big is the Moon? How big is the Sun? Where do you get your inspiration from? Your imagination?

That is what I am saying is that you physically shrink down in size. As I believe you would start at 6 ft tall from Earth and end up 3,862,743 times smaller by the time you reach the end of the inside of Earth. Which means although it would take light only .02 seconds normally (if it was traveling at the same physical dimensions of Earth and not shrinking) to travel to the center of Earth it actually takes 6 light days for light to reach the center of Earth because you see because everything shrinks more miles fit inside a limited space.

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Re: Too HIGH to LIE!
« Reply #65 on: November 06, 2014, 01:29:30 AM »
"I can't breathe" George Floyd RIP

Re: Too HIGH to LIE!
« Reply #66 on: November 06, 2014, 09:03:27 AM »
Surely this all depends on the angle of reference. none of your pictures have an absolout reference.

This whole argument is debunked by this badly drawn picture.


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Re: Too HIGH to LIE!
« Reply #67 on: November 09, 2014, 05:54:52 AM »

Yep, a pretty accurate portrayal of you.
Additionally, we cannot entirely rule out the nefarious effects of demons, spirits, gnomes, and wizards on our society's ability to comprehend our flat earth as it really is.