Is space travel theoretically impossible?

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Re: Is space travel theoretically impossible?
« Reply #30 on: September 05, 2014, 06:30:21 PM »
In my opinion, space travel is possible as long as you have a large enough supply of fuel.  Sustained space flight, on the other hand, is not possible.
Why don't you think it is possible?

Because the Earth is flat, so orbit is not possible and unless you are constantly accelerating, the Earth would eventually catch up with you.
"Catch up with you" are you being serious? The Earth doesn't need to do that, because of gravity.
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Re: Is space travel theoretically impossible?
« Reply #31 on: September 06, 2014, 07:11:30 AM »
In my opinion, space travel is possible as long as you have a large enough supply of fuel.  Sustained space flight, on the other hand, is not possible.
Why don't you think it is possible?

Because the Earth is flat, so orbit is not possible
Where did I refer to orbit?  We were talking about space flight, not orbit.

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and unless you are constantly accelerating, the Earth would eventually catch up with you.
Wait..wot?  But it doesn't catch up with hot air balloons or aircraft or seagulls?  Why aren't we catching up with the moon and the sun?


The air is also moving upwards. 

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Re: Is space travel theoretically impossible?
« Reply #32 on: September 06, 2014, 08:38:29 AM »
Why do planes fall then?
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Re: Is space travel theoretically impossible?
« Reply #33 on: September 06, 2014, 08:45:53 AM »
Why do planes fall then?

Did you mean to ask why planes do not fall? 

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Re: Is space travel theoretically impossible?
« Reply #34 on: September 06, 2014, 09:59:14 AM »
In my opinion, space travel is possible as long as you have a large enough supply of fuel.  Sustained space flight, on the other hand, is not possible.
Why don't you think it is possible?

Because the Earth is flat, so orbit is not possible
Where did I refer to orbit?  We were talking about space flight, not orbit.

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and unless you are constantly accelerating, the Earth would eventually catch up with you.
Wait..wot?  But it doesn't catch up with hot air balloons or aircraft or seagulls?  Why aren't we catching up with the moon and the sun?


The air is also moving upwards.
The sun and moon are in the earths atmosphere?
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Re: Is space travel theoretically impossible?
« Reply #35 on: September 06, 2014, 12:15:14 PM »
In my opinion, space travel is possible as long as you have a large enough supply of fuel.  Sustained space flight, on the other hand, is not possible.
Why don't you think it is possible?

Because the Earth is flat, so orbit is not possible
Where did I refer to orbit?  We were talking about space flight, not orbit.

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and unless you are constantly accelerating, the Earth would eventually catch up with you.
Wait..wot?  But it doesn't catch up with hot air balloons or aircraft or seagulls?  Why aren't we catching up with the moon and the sun?


The air is also moving upwards.
The sun and moon are in the earths atmosphere?

No, the sun and the moon are likely past the atmoplane. 

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Re: Is space travel theoretically impossible?
« Reply #36 on: September 06, 2014, 01:04:56 PM »
In my opinion, space travel is possible as long as you have a large enough supply of fuel.  Sustained space flight, on the other hand, is not possible.
Why don't you think it is possible?

Because the Earth is flat, so orbit is not possible
Where did I refer to orbit?  We were talking about space flight, not orbit.

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and unless you are constantly accelerating, the Earth would eventually catch up with you.
Wait..wot?  But it doesn't catch up with hot air balloons or aircraft or seagulls?  Why aren't we catching up with the moon and the sun?


The air is also moving upwards.
The sun and moon are in the earths atmosphere?

No, the sun and the moon are likely past the atmoplane.
S, why doesn't the earth hit the sun and moon?
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Re: Is space travel theoretically impossible?
« Reply #37 on: September 06, 2014, 02:51:43 PM »
In my opinion, space travel is possible as long as you have a large enough supply of fuel.  Sustained space flight, on the other hand, is not possible.
Why don't you think it is possible?

Because the Earth is flat, so orbit is not possible
Where did I refer to orbit?  We were talking about space flight, not orbit.

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and unless you are constantly accelerating, the Earth would eventually catch up with you.
Wait..wot?  But it doesn't catch up with hot air balloons or aircraft or seagulls?  Why aren't we catching up with the moon and the sun?


The air is also moving upwards.
The sun and moon are in the earths atmosphere?

No, the sun and the moon are likely past the atmoplane.
You are strugging for answers.  eg with satellites as well.q

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Re: Is space travel theoretically impossible?
« Reply #38 on: September 06, 2014, 06:51:12 PM »
In my opinion, space travel is possible as long as you have a large enough supply of fuel.  Sustained space flight, on the other hand, is not possible.
Why don't you think it is possible?

Because the Earth is flat, so orbit is not possible
Where did I refer to orbit?  We were talking about space flight, not orbit.

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and unless you are constantly accelerating, the Earth would eventually catch up with you.
Wait..wot?  But it doesn't catch up with hot air balloons or aircraft or seagulls?  Why aren't we catching up with the moon and the sun?


The air is also moving upwards.
The sun and moon are in the earths atmosphere?

No, the sun and the moon are likely past the atmoplane.
S, why doesn't the earth hit the sun and moon?

Because the same force that is accelerating the Earth is accelerating the sun and moon. 

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Re: Is space travel theoretically impossible?
« Reply #39 on: September 07, 2014, 01:28:41 AM »
Because the same force that is accelerating the Earth is accelerating the sun and moon.
 

It could be argued that under the flat earth model, our entire planetary system—earth and its moon, the sun, and Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto—could be moving as a unitary system, that is at the same fixed, relative distances from each other.  The plane of orbit of each would have to be separated sufficiently (millions of kilometres?) to avoid any collisions caused by their differing geometric paths, and there'd be some problems isolating some unknown phenomenon that caused them to rotate independently of our own sun—maybe a massive sphere of undiscovered dark matter with a gravitational attractive force exactly equal to, or greater than our sun's?

It could also be pure chance that our earth was first attracted to the sun, whilst the other planetary bodies were first attracted to this mass of the dark matter.  Or possibly the earth originally possessed too little kinetic energy to escape the sun's pull, whereas the other planets possessed sufficient energy to escape our sun's gravitational pull, but not the (possibly) larger mass of the dark matter?



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Re: Is space travel theoretically impossible?
« Reply #40 on: September 08, 2014, 10:30:11 AM »
Space travel is impossible.  There are only a handful of images of Earth from space that are supposed to be "real" and they are from mostly Apollo images, and the rest NASA admits are composites made from "satellite" data.  They actually make current pictures and they aren't supposed to be genuine pictures of Earth from space.  It's sad that the public can't figure this out when there should be thousands of pictures of Earth from space by now.  They simply do not exist.  Space travel is impossible because they can't even send just equipment to take pictures.  Satellites are complete nonsense, and always have been.  There is no real science behind satellites, and the stories about it keep changing and have contradictions because of it.

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I'm sorry that these are presented comical, but there is no other way that I can get through to people, people are just too brainwashed to even use their brains and look at evidence anymore.

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Re: Is space travel theoretically impossible?
« Reply #41 on: September 08, 2014, 10:36:14 AM »
Space travel is impossible.  There are only a handful of images of Earth from space that are supposed to be "real" and they are from mostly Apollo images, and the rest NASA admits are composites made from "satellite" data.  They actually make current pictures and they aren't supposed to be genuine pictures of Earth from space.  It's sad that the public can't figure this out when there should be thousands of pictures of Earth from space by now.  They simply do not exist.  Space travel is impossible because they can't even send just equipment to take pictures.  Satellites are complete nonsense, and always have been.  There is no real science behind satellites, and the stories about it keep changing and have contradictions because of it.

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I'm sorry that these are presented comical, but there is no other way that I can get through to people, people are just too brainwashed to even use their brains and look at evidence anymore.
Please explain the use of satellites, with evidence, for communications and navigation.

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Re: Is space travel theoretically impossible?
« Reply #42 on: September 08, 2014, 01:10:56 PM »


I'm sorry that these are presented comical
That giggling moron is as funny as bowel cancer.  About as welcome as well.
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Re: Is space travel theoretically impossible?
« Reply #43 on: September 08, 2014, 01:14:47 PM »


Because the same force that is accelerating the Earth is accelerating the sun and moon.
So why would a space ship not be able to fly to the moon?  Does this this magical force know not to accelerate man made objects?
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Re: Is space travel theoretically impossible?
« Reply #44 on: September 09, 2014, 06:44:19 AM »
John Reynaga is nothing more than a totally delusional conspiracy theorist. 

His entire worldview is composed of fantasy, dark forces, collusion, and hidden demons.  His sites read like fairy stories written by someone suffering from a serious paranoid personality disorder (according to symptoms described by the American Psychiatric Association's DSM-5).

I quote the following from his Twitter page:  "The Jesuit order is a military organization.  They control the world and what you think you know.  We are being lied to every day of our lives, and Americans WILL be disarmed in the future.  Our ignorance to the order and history is our downfall".

One can safely ignore any/all of his postings here.



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Re: Is space travel theoretically impossible?
« Reply #45 on: September 09, 2014, 07:52:11 AM »


Because the same force that is accelerating the Earth is accelerating the sun and moon.
So why would a space ship not be able to fly to the moon?  Does this this magical force know not to accelerate man made objects?

Because of fuel supply challenges.

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Re: Is space travel theoretically impossible?
« Reply #46 on: September 09, 2014, 08:40:26 AM »


Because the same force that is accelerating the Earth is accelerating the sun and moon.
So why would a space ship not be able to fly to the moon?  Does this this magical force know not to accelerate man made objects?

Because of fuel supply challenges.

While this is a valid concern - if the ship was not affected by the UA, the mission would be similar to launching a craft to the designed altitude straight up on a RE(which is massively fuel inefficient) - I'm pretty sure he meant why wouldn't the ship be "grabbed" by the UA on its way up after a while. And by the way, do you have any estimates at which altitude the "UA FE-shadow bubble" kinda closes above the FE?

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Re: Is space travel theoretically impossible?
« Reply #47 on: September 09, 2014, 09:12:26 AM »
In the absence of gravity, acceleration off of the Earth would be easier than in the presence of gravity.  Unless it can shown why UA should magically affect a rocket, but then ignore the sun and moon, there are serious issues with UA.
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Re: Is space travel theoretically impossible?
« Reply #48 on: September 09, 2014, 09:40:09 AM »


Because the same force that is accelerating the Earth is accelerating the sun and moon.
So why would a space ship not be able to fly to the moon?  Does this this magical force know not to accelerate man made objects?

Because of fuel supply challenges.
Ah, that's a new one - so the earth won't catch the spacecraft up anymore?.  Can you take me through your calculations on the fuel requirements?

As The Conspiracy, according to you, can now keep thousands of planes permanently flying overhead impersonating satellites, you would think they would have a handle on the old fuel thing...
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Re: Is space travel theoretically impossible?
« Reply #49 on: September 09, 2014, 10:05:00 AM »
In the absence of gravity, acceleration off of the Earth would be easier than in the presence of gravity.
Why? As long as you are low enough that you are shielded from the "wind", it would be worse than on a RE. There would be no "tangent velocity" to help you stay in space. You either keep accelerating upwards, float off the FE or come down crashing.

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Re: Is space travel theoretically impossible?
« Reply #50 on: September 09, 2014, 10:25:51 AM »
In the absence of gravity, acceleration off of the Earth would be easier than in the presence of gravity.
Why? As long as you are low enough that you are shielded from the "wind", it would be worse than on a RE. There would be no "tangent velocity" to help you stay in space. You either keep accelerating upwards, float off the FE or come down crashing.

I was talking about getting to the Moon.
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Re: Is space travel theoretically impossible?
« Reply #51 on: September 09, 2014, 11:09:24 AM »
In the absence of gravity, acceleration off of the Earth would be easier than in the presence of gravity.
Why? As long as you are low enough that you are shielded from the "wind", it would be worse than on a RE. There would be no "tangent velocity" to help you stay in space. You either keep accelerating upwards, float off the FE or come down crashing.

I was talking about getting to the Moon.
Oh. Ok. Sorry I misunderstood you. But still, travelling to the Moon would still probably be way more "fuel hungry" on a FE.

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Re: Is space travel theoretically impossible?
« Reply #52 on: September 09, 2014, 11:23:29 AM »
In the absence of gravity, acceleration off of the Earth would be easier than in the presence of gravity.
Why? As long as you are low enough that you are shielded from the "wind", it would be worse than on a RE. There would be no "tangent velocity" to help you stay in space. You either keep accelerating upwards, float off the FE or come down crashing.

I was talking about getting to the Moon.
Oh. Ok. Sorry I misunderstood you. But still, travelling to the Moon would still probably be way more "fuel hungry" on a FE.

Wouldn't that depend on whether or not flying objects are affected by the UA and at what altitude?
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Re: Is space travel theoretically impossible?
« Reply #53 on: September 09, 2014, 12:11:05 PM »
UA gradually takes hold.  It's not all or nothing.  This is why you weigh slightly less on a tall mountain than on sea level.  At high elevation/altitude the UA takes more hold and lessens the effect of the earth accelerating against your feet.

So how high do you need to go?  The same distance you would for RE.  This is due to the equivalence principle that is at the very foundation of UA theory.

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Re: Is space travel theoretically impossible?
« Reply #54 on: September 09, 2014, 12:36:13 PM »
UA gradually takes hold.  It's not all or nothing.  This is why you weigh slightly less on a tall mountain than on sea level.  At high elevation/altitude the UA takes more hold and lessens the effect of the earth accelerating against your feet.

So how high do you need to go?  The same distance you would for RE.  This is due to the equivalence principle that is at the very foundation of UA theory.

I understand that, except there are apparent exceptions to this, such as the sun and the moon.  Operating without interference of UA would necessarily make travelling to the moon easier.
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Re: Is space travel theoretically impossible?
« Reply #55 on: September 10, 2014, 04:10:55 AM »
Arguments like this aren't really going to get anywhere.  There is no coherent model for UA and it is intentionally very vague.  How it works depends on which flat earther is trapped in which particular corner at any particular time.

Sometimes the sun and moon are moved by "eddies" in the aetheric wind (although they strangely don't move as chaotically as this would suggest).  Sometimes they are accelerating in  the same "wind" as earth.  Sometimes the "celestial bodies" are moved by a completely different mechanism called "celestial gears".  Sometimes space travel isn't possible because the "earth will catch you up" and sometimes it isn't possible for fuel reasons.

In fact jroa was recently arguing that it wasn't the earth or the solar system that was hurtling through the universe (and time) at a hair's breadth off the speed of light, but in fact the entire universe that was accelerating at 9.8 m/s/s.  Which is where the "universal" comes from.  He seems to have forgotten this position from a couple of months ago and reverted back to the more vanilla brand of total bollocks.
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Re: Is space travel theoretically impossible?
« Reply #56 on: September 10, 2014, 04:12:15 AM »
I know, but where is the fun in that?
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Re: Is space travel theoretically impossible?
« Reply #57 on: September 10, 2014, 04:13:47 AM »
I know, but where is the fun in that?
I suppose attempting to nail a jelly to a wall can be fun, if not that edifying.
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Re: Is space travel theoretically impossible?
« Reply #58 on: September 10, 2014, 06:56:39 PM »
Because the same force that is accelerating the Earth is accelerating the sun and moon.
So why would a space ship not be able to fly to the moon?  Does this this magical force know not to accelerate man made objects?

Because of fuel supply challenges.

Can you explain exactly what those "challenges" would be jroa?

If I'm driving to the beach 50km away, I usually ensure that I've got enough gas in the tank to get there and back, or fill up the tank before I leave.

Why can I not do the same with my rocket to the moon?

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Re: Is space travel theoretically impossible?
« Reply #59 on: September 13, 2014, 08:37:51 AM »


Because the same force that is accelerating the Earth is accelerating the sun and moon.
So why would a space ship not be able to fly to the moon?  Does this this magical force know not to accelerate man made objects?

Because of fuel supply challenges.

How did you conclude that fuel supply challenges can't be overcome?  Can you cite any calculations that show that it's not possible to carry enough fuel to reach orbit or to stay in orbit?
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