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Do you really think this is over?

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HELLZ YESZ.
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Hell No!
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Maybe ...
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Hey!  I ordered a cheeseburger!
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Total Members Voted: 29

Voting closed: November 06, 2006, 08:05:11 PM

The Death of it All

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BOGWarrior89

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« on: November 06, 2006, 08:05:11 PM »
End of Discussion.

You have a cheap experiment, but I suggest you spend the $1.50 to go to a museum and observe the Foucault Pendulum for yourself.  I've spent the whole time I was here searching for this thing, for I remember watching it for three hours (I was five; it intrigued my undeveloped brain), and wondering how it swung back and forth AND rotated around.

By the way, that website explains it all.  If you don't believe it, make one yourself.

Case closed.

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« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2006, 08:18:47 PM »
Isn't it possible that the Earth is flat and spinning?

People actually have occasionally come up with experiments and arguments in the past that were unable to be refuted by the FEers but as you can see the forum is still going strong. :D  There is no reason, even if what you say is correct, which it probably isn't, to think that this would mean the end of the argument.  There is a never ending stream of REers ready to pit their skills of logic and reasoning against the veterans of this forum :).

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« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2006, 08:24:19 PM »
Quote from: "beast"
Isn't it possible that the Earth is flat and spinning?

People actually have occasionally come up with experiments and arguments in the past that were unable to be refuted by the FEers but as you can see the forum is still going strong. :D  There is no reason, even if what you say is correct, which it probably isn't, to think that this would mean the end of the argument.  There is a never ending stream of REers ready to pit their skills of logic and reasoning against the veterans of this forum :).

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Quote from: "The website you should have read fully"
If the Pendulum was at the POLE

the floor would twist under the pendulum -- the building floor would twist around the earth's axis every 24 hours.  BUT -- it is clear that the pendulum --which doesn't twist-- would stay in its original plane.
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If the Pendulum was at the EQUATOR

the building floor would not twist at all but the building would travel eastward on the earth's axis--and the pendulum--being tied to the building -- would travel right along with the building with no visible effect -- since there is no twisting motion.
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http://www.calacademy.org/products/pendulum/page14.htm

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« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2006, 08:26:53 PM »
Unfortunately I neither live on the equator or at either poll.  If you want to pay for my flights to either then I would be willing to test these theories and see if that's really how the pendulum behaves or not.

Incidentally I love the d n b group Pendulum.

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BOGWarrior89

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« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2006, 08:32:03 PM »
Quote from: "beast"
Unfortunately I neither live on the equator or at either poll...

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but I suggest you spend the $1.50 to go to a museum and observe the Foucault Pendulum for yourself.


Quote from: "beast"
Incidentally I love the d n b group Pendulum.


You know, they're the reason it took so long; I tried searching for just "Pendulum" and they took up fifteen frickin' pages on Google ...

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« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2006, 08:36:25 PM »
And I'm asking - isn't it possible that you could get similar results if the flat Earth was spinning - maybe even spinning and rotating.  Obviously only enough that it would change how a pendulum spins but not so it would send us flying off into space because that's what we observe.

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« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2006, 08:36:45 PM »
Quote from: "The Poll"
Hey! I ordered a cheeseburger!        33%        [ 1 ]


ROTFLMAO.

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« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2006, 09:48:56 PM »
Quote from: "beast"
And I'm asking - isn't it possible that you could get similar results if the flat Earth was spinning - maybe even spinning and rotating.  Obviously only enough that it would change how a pendulum spins but not so it would send us flying off into space because that's what we observe.


Does Flat earth spin or rotate?
atttttttup was right when he said joseph bloom is right, The Engineer is a douchebag.

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« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2006, 12:44:22 AM »
gary larson kicks arse  :D

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« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2006, 04:46:18 AM »
Quote from: "phaseshifter"
Quote from: "beast"
And I'm asking - isn't it possible that you could get similar results if the flat Earth was spinning - maybe even spinning and rotating.  Obviously only enough that it would change how a pendulum spins but not so it would send us flying off into space because that's what we observe.


Does Flat earth spin or rotate?


I don't know - I asked if it did, I didn't say that it did either.  I asked if that could provide a FE consistent reason for the pendulum results.

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« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2006, 09:21:44 AM »
A great way to test this is to put two pendulums, one at one-fourths the distance between the two poles and another at three-fourths the aforementioned distance, and record the results.

In RE, They should follow the same displacement, but in a different direction.  In FE, the one closer to the North Pole should have a greater displacement over the same amount of time.

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« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2006, 12:53:37 PM »
Quote from: "The Poll"
Hey! I ordered a cheeseburger!   
      
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Now it's just getting out of hand ...

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« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2006, 01:42:01 PM »
Nice job Bog. You just demonstrated that the earth is a cheeseburger order.
atttttttup was right when he said joseph bloom is right, The Engineer is a douchebag.

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« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2006, 12:27:33 PM »
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Nice job Bog. You just demonstrated that the earth is a cheeseburger order.


I hope you don't mind if I put that in my signature, do you?

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« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2006, 12:54:10 PM »
Use the search button for "Pendulum = Gravity"

i made my points on this along time ago.
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The views expressed in this post are solely those of the author. Also the earth is round.

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« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2006, 12:55:32 PM »
And you were wrong then too.


"I haven't been wrong since 1961, when I thought I made a mistake."
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« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2006, 12:56:42 PM »
Quote from: "Cheech6"
Use the search button for "Pendulum = Gravity"

i made my points on this along time ago.


I've seen it; mine just specifies what kind of pendulum, and it's effects.

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« Reply #17 on: November 08, 2006, 02:20:06 PM »
Quote from: "beast"
Quote from: "phaseshifter"
Quote from: "beast"
And I'm asking - isn't it possible that you could get similar results if the flat Earth was spinning - maybe even spinning and rotating.  Obviously only enough that it would change how a pendulum spins but not so it would send us flying off into space because that's what we observe.


Does Flat earth spin or rotate?


I don't know - I asked if it did, I didn't say that it did either.  I asked if that could provide a FE consistent reason for the pendulum results.


We must first know wheter your earth spins or rotates before we can determine this. And WE can't tell you that since we don't beleive earth is flat, You should be the one telling us. If you don't know how your model  works, then you can't very well support it.
atttttttup was right when he said joseph bloom is right, The Engineer is a douchebag.

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« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2006, 05:22:47 PM »
Due to the oppressed nature of study of the flat Earth, it's very hard to know a great deal about it or to run studies with small budgets.  I'm afraid I don't know the full details of what the flat Earth is doing.  Maybe if I had billions of dollars and people working all around the world I could tell you.  I'm simply asking if the apparently observed phenomenon could be explained in the context of a flat Earth to show that it possible that the same observations could occur regardless of the shape of the earth.

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« Reply #19 on: November 08, 2006, 05:25:12 PM »
Quote from: "beast"
... around the world ...

You just admitted that the world is round!

On a more serious note ...

Quote from: "beast"
I'm simply asking if the apparently observed phenomenon could be explained in the context of a flat Earth to show that it possible that the same observations could occur regardless of the shape of the earth.


I'm sure it could; anything can be "explained away", with the right kind of logic/reasoning.  I say give Erasmus an hour with the subject.

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« Reply #20 on: November 08, 2006, 05:32:50 PM »
Wouldn't that mean that your comment that the discussion was now over and that you've "proved" that the Earth is round is false?

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BOGWarrior89

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« Reply #21 on: November 08, 2006, 05:36:03 PM »
Quote from: "beast"
Wouldn't that mean that your comment that the discussion was now over and that you've "proved" that the Earth is round is false?


Firstly, YOU CAN'T PROVE ANYTHING (maybe if I say it enough times you people will start to believe me).

Secondly, I was stating what I expected.

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« Reply #22 on: November 08, 2006, 05:44:53 PM »
Quote from: "BOGWarrior89"
Quote from: "beast"
Wouldn't that mean that your comment that the discussion was now over and that you've "proved" that the Earth is round is false?


Firstly, YOU CAN'T PROVE ANYTHING (maybe if I say it enough times you people will start to believe me).



This is false.  You can prove plenty of things.  You can only prove them explicitly in a given context.  You can't prove that when you drop something it will always fall to the floor but you can easily prove that in a particular instance that's what it will do and does do.

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« Reply #23 on: November 08, 2006, 05:46:05 PM »
Quote from: "beast"
Quote from: "BOGWarrior89"
Quote from: "beast"
Wouldn't that mean that your comment that the discussion was now over and that you've "proved" that the Earth is round is false?


Firstly, YOU CAN'T PROVE ANYTHING (maybe if I say it enough times you people will start to believe me).



This is false.  You can prove plenty of things.  You can only prove them explicitly in a given context.  You can't prove that when you drop something it will always fall to the floor but you can easily prove that in a particular instance that's what it will do and does do.


No, you can't; you ASSUME it will fall to the floor, but the future may prove to you that you are wrong.

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« Reply #24 on: November 08, 2006, 05:49:26 PM »
The oldest known proof for the statement that there are infinitely many prime numbers is given by the Greek mathematician Euclid in his Elements (Book IX, Proposition 20). Euclid states the result as "there are more than any given [finite] number of primes", and his proof is essentially the following:

Suppose you have a finite number of primes. Call this number m. Multiply all m primes together and add one (see Euclid number). The resulting number is not divisible by any of the finite set of primes, because dividing by any of these would give a remainder of one. And one is not divisible by any primes. Therefore it must either be prime itself, or be divisible by some other prime that was not included in the finite set. Either way, there must be at least m + 1 primes. But this argument applies no matter what m is; it applies to m + 1, too. So there are more primes than any given finite number.

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Within the given context that has clearly proved that in our mathematical system there is an infinite number of prime numbers.

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« Reply #25 on: November 08, 2006, 05:54:37 PM »
Quote from: "BOGWarrior89"
End of Discussion.

You have a cheap experiment, but I suggest you spend the $1.50 to go to a museum and observe the Foucault Pendulum for yourself.  I've spent the whole time I was here searching for this thing, for I remember watching it for three hours (I was five; it intrigued my undeveloped brain), and wondering how it swung back and forth AND rotated around.

By the way, that website explains it all.  If you don't believe it, make one yourself.

Case closed.


i spent the last 20  years searching the contents oif my own pants and i can say with some authority



doh!
ts obvious isn't it.  No one can prove a damn thing.  Especially in this of all possible worlds. LOL

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« Reply #26 on: November 08, 2006, 05:57:21 PM »
Quote from: "mikolaj_koppernigk=cojon"
Quote from: "BOGWarrior89"
Stuff I said before ...


i spent the last 20  years searching the contents oif my own pants and i can say with some authority



doh!


Can you explain the relevance of this post?

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« Reply #27 on: November 08, 2006, 06:03:32 PM »
Quote from: "beast"
Isn't it possible that the Earth is flat and spinning?

People actually have occasionally come up with experiments and arguments in the past that were unable to be refuted by the FEers but as you can see the forum is still going strong. :D  There is no reason, even if what you say is correct, which it probably isn't, to think that this would mean the end of the argument.  There is a never ending stream of REers ready to pit their skills of logic and reasoning against the veterans of this forum :).


That would be impossible, the centrifugal force from a spinning flat earth would force everything toward the edge, where he supposed ice wall is
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« Reply #28 on: November 08, 2006, 06:05:08 PM »
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Quote from: "beast"
Isn't it possible that the Earth is flat and spinning?

People actually have occasionally come up with experiments and arguments in the past that were unable to be refuted by the FEers but as you can see the forum is still going strong. :D  There is no reason, even if what you say is correct, which it probably isn't, to think that this would mean the end of the argument.  There is a never ending stream of REers ready to pit their skills of logic and reasoning against the veterans of this forum :).


That would be impossible, the centrifugal force from a spinning flat earth would force everything toward the edge, where he supposed ice wall is


Centrifugal force is a lie.

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« Reply #29 on: November 08, 2006, 06:05:24 PM »
Only if it was spinning really fast - if it was a very slow spin it would be hardly noticeable.