A glass dome in the sky is a dumb idea and most people should and do know better

Quote from: jroa on July 17, 2014, 08:07:55 AM

You still don't get it, ausGeoff.  A billion people could believe in Santa Clause and 5 people could believe that he does not exist.  The numbers mean nothing.  He could exist or not exist without the numbers.  You seem to just have some kind of "I am right because I follow the herd" attitude.

OK, but how likely is it that a billion adults believe in Santa Claus and only 5 don't? Believing doesn't make it true, but people do tend to believe things that are reasonable and plausible.

Quote from: Shmeggley on July 17, 2014, 08:27:13 AM

Quote from: jroa on July 17, 2014, 08:07:55 AM

You still don't get it, ausGeoff.  A billion people could believe in Santa Clause and 5 people could believe that he does not exist.  The numbers mean nothing.  He could exist or not exist without the numbers.  You seem to just have some kind of "I am right because I follow the herd" attitude.

OK, but how likely is it that a billion adults believe in Santa Claus and only 5 don't? Believing doesn't make it true, but people do tend to believe things that are reasonable and plausible.

Billions of people believe in a god. Is that reasonable and plausible? billions of people believe in ghosts, the after life. Is that reasonable and plausible?
I'm not going to answer either way, I'm just putrting it out that people will believe anything if it's spread out far and wide.
People will buy a brand of food if you saturate their heads with it by advertising it with a good sales technique.
People in their billions can be made to believe anything if it's sold to them on a saturated scale.

Humans are as gullible as hell. We respond to fear or excitement. We sit and smask our hands together and scream if a person in shorts kicks a ball into a net or a person sings a song or whatever.
Every human being can be duped, even the ultra sceptical ones. It just depends on how clever the dupe is.
Most people can be duped when it's as plain as day that they are being played for gullible. It's the nature of the beast.

They say that the secret to a good job is all in the preparation.It's true. It's also true that the secret to a good con, is also in the preparation. You prepare the minds of the people over time so that they accept the con job when it comes.

Quote from: Shmeggley on July 17, 2014, 08:27:13 AM

Quote from: jroa on July 17, 2014, 08:07:55 AM

You still don't get it, ausGeoff.  A billion people could believe in Santa Clause and 5 people could believe that he does not exist.  The numbers mean nothing.  He could exist or not exist without the numbers.  You seem to just have some kind of "I am right because I follow the herd" attitude.

OK, but how likely is it that a billion adults believe in Santa Claus and only 5 don't? Believing doesn't make it true, but people do tend to believe things that are reasonable and plausible.

Billions of people believe in a god. Is that reasonable and plausible? billions of people believe in ghosts, the after life. Is that reasonable and plausible?
I'm not going to answer either way, I'm just putrting it out that people will believe anything if it's spread out far and wide.
People will buy a brand of food if you saturate their heads with it by advertising it with a good sales technique.
People in their billions can be made to believe anything if it's sold to them on a saturated scale.

Humans are as gullible as hell. We respond to fear or excitement. We sit and smask our hands together and scream if a person in shorts kicks a ball into a net or a person sings a song or whatever.
Every human being can be duped, even the ultra sceptical ones. It just depends on how clever the dupe is.
Most people can be duped when it's as plain as day that they are being played for gullible. It's the nature of the beast.

Quote from: Shmeggley on July 17, 2014, 08:27:13 AM

Quote from: jroa on July 17, 2014, 08:07:55 AM

You still don't get it, ausGeoff.  A billion people could believe in Santa Clause and 5 people could believe that he does not exist.  The numbers mean nothing.  He could exist or not exist without the numbers.  You seem to just have some kind of "I am right because I follow the herd" attitude.

OK, but how likely is it that a billion adults believe in Santa Claus and only 5 don't? Believing doesn't make it true, but people do tend to believe things that are reasonable and plausible.

Billions of people believe in a god. Is that reasonable and plausible? billions of people believe in ghosts, the after life. Is that reasonable and plausible?
I'm not going to answer either way, I'm just putrting it out that people will believe anything if it's spread out far and wide.
People will buy a brand of food if you saturate their heads with it by advertising it with a good sales technique.
People in their billions can be made to believe anything if it's sold to them on a saturated scale.

Humans are as gullible as hell. We respond to fear or excitement. We sit and smask our hands together and scream if a person in shorts kicks a ball into a net or a person sings a song or whatever.
Every human being can be duped, even the ultra sceptical ones. It just depends on how clever the dupe is.
Most people can be duped when it's as plain as day that they are being played for gullible. It's the nature of the beast.

They say that the secret to a good job is all in the preparation.It's true. It's also true that the secret to a good con, is also in the preparation. You prepare the minds of the people over time so that they accept the con job when it comes.

I don't think the average person has any strong emotional bias towards the shape of the Earth, they just tend to go along with what seems to be the most reasonable explanation, to the extent that they have knowledge of the facts of the matter.

Yes, yes...but this has absolutely no bearing on the very obvious reality of not living under a giant, perfectly reflective ice dome where even sunsets couldn't exist.  Let alone such subtleties as seasons or the waxing and waning of the moon.  Or nighttime.

The difference is that FE, unlike religion, can be disproved.

With the right technology you can prove the shape of the earth.  You can never prove the non-existence of God.

Quote from: macrohard on July 17, 2014, 04:30:11 PM

The difference is that FE, unlike religion, can be disproved.

With the right technology you can prove the shape of the earth.  You can never prove the non-existence of God.

If the Global Earth model is proved beyond any doubt, then why are any of you global Earthers here?
Why are any of you even arguing against a flat or whatever alternate Earth shape? It makes no sense for any of you to argue.
Of course, you can say, " I'm just here for the fun of it" or " I'm just here to laugh at how stupid you all are." That's not the truth though, is it?

So why are you here?
The reality is, you're interested in the alternative theories. They may not make much sense to you, yet...but it's peaked your interest, as it has with many.
You can tell me that you fully believe your model...but deep down, you are questioning it, even if it's minor at the moment.

No person who believes they are intelligent and scientific minded are ever going to admit they could be wrong and maybe they've been fooled.

Fair enough scepti but none of that implies that the masses aren't being told the right information. The masses are told wrong information a lot of the time but not for everything. We can verify the earths shape independently of what we are told.

how does ice remain solid in space? as at that temperature, it would be a liquid, unless the sun was shining on it, and it would be a gas?

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 18, 2014, 07:41:59 AM

Quote from: macrohard on July 17, 2014, 04:30:11 PM

The difference is that FE, unlike religion, can be disproved.

With the right technology you can prove the shape of the earth.  You can never prove the non-existence of God.

If the Global Earth model is proved beyond any doubt, then why are any of you global Earthers here?
Why are any of you even arguing against a flat or whatever alternate Earth shape? It makes no sense for any of you to argue.
Of course, you can say, " I'm just here for the fun of it" or " I'm just here to laugh at how stupid you all are." That's not the truth though, is it?

So why are you here?
The reality is, you're interested in the alternative theories. They may not make much sense to you, yet...but it's peaked your interest, as it has with many.
You can tell me that you fully believe your model...but deep down, you are questioning it, even if it's minor at the moment.

No person who believes they are intelligent and scientific minded are ever going to admit they could be wrong and maybe they've been fooled.

Because some people like to argue that the earth is round to people who wrongly believe it to be flat, proves it isn't round?

We've told you why we are here. We just enjoy it.

Quote from: rottingroom on July 18, 2014, 07:35:17 AM

Fair enough scepti but none of that implies that the masses aren't being told the right information. The masses are told wrong information a lot of the time but not for everything. We can verify the earths shape independently of what we are told.

Correct, it doesn't imply that the masses are mis-informed in many cases. You say you can verify the shape of the Earth because you have been shown how to and you take it as the truth.

Here's a little test for you.
Standing outside (theoretically) show me what you would do to convince the person next to you that the Earth is what you say it is. You can use any gadget you can dream up that you can use with your feet on the ground.

Quote from: rottingroom on July 18, 2014, 07:45:51 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 18, 2014, 07:41:59 AM

Quote from: macrohard on July 17, 2014, 04:30:11 PM

The difference is that FE, unlike religion, can be disproved.

With the right technology you can prove the shape of the earth.  You can never prove the non-existence of God.

If the Global Earth model is proved beyond any doubt, then why are any of you global Earthers here?
Why are any of you even arguing against a flat or whatever alternate Earth shape? It makes no sense for any of you to argue.
Of course, you can say, " I'm just here for the fun of it" or " I'm just here to laugh at how stupid you all are." That's not the truth though, is it?

So why are you here?
The reality is, you're interested in the alternative theories. They may not make much sense to you, yet...but it's peaked your interest, as it has with many.
You can tell me that you fully believe your model...but deep down, you are questioning it, even if it's minor at the moment.

No person who believes they are intelligent and scientific minded are ever going to admit they could be wrong and maybe they've been fooled.

Because some people like to argue that the earth is round to people who wrongly believe it to be flat, proves it isn't round?

We've told you why we are here. We just enjoy it.

I have no doubt you enjoy it. I'm saying that regardless of what gets said ..most people are questioning their beliefs in some way, shape of form and as part of their enjoyment of the site, they are using their thoughts and sitting there thinking, " well maybe."
I know you are doing this. You may deny it but I  believe  that some doubt has been placed into your mind about your overall model.

Quote from: iwanttobelieve on July 16, 2014, 01:47:01 PM

how does ice remain solid in space? as at that temperature, it would be a liquid, unless the sun was shining on it, and it would be a gas?

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Quote from: sceptimatic on July 18, 2014, 07:46:34 AM

Quote from: rottingroom on July 18, 2014, 07:35:17 AM

Fair enough scepti but none of that implies that the masses aren't being told the right information. The masses are told wrong information a lot of the time but not for everything. We can verify the earths shape independently of what we are told.

Correct, it doesn't imply that the masses are mis-informed in many cases. You say you can verify the shape of the Earth because you have been shown how to and you take it as the truth.

Here's a little test for you.
Standing outside (theoretically) show me what you would do to convince the person next to you that the Earth is what you say it is. You can use any gadget you can dream up that you can use with your feet on the ground.

Foucalt's Pendulum
Eotvos Effect
Seeing further from higher up
Seeing rotation of stars
Observing sinking ships
Yard sticks in two different locations having shadows of different lengths and angles.
Sum of triangles created on surface != 180°
The sun sets
Observe the curvature from a large mountain

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 18, 2014, 07:50:22 AM

Quote from: rottingroom on July 18, 2014, 07:45:51 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 18, 2014, 07:41:59 AM

Quote from: macrohard on July 17, 2014, 04:30:11 PM

The difference is that FE, unlike religion, can be disproved.

With the right technology you can prove the shape of the earth.  You can never prove the non-existence of God.

If the Global Earth model is proved beyond any doubt, then why are any of you global Earthers here?
Why are any of you even arguing against a flat or whatever alternate Earth shape? It makes no sense for any of you to argue.
Of course, you can say, " I'm just here for the fun of it" or " I'm just here to laugh at how stupid you all are." That's not the truth though, is it?

So why are you here?
The reality is, you're interested in the alternative theories. They may not make much sense to you, yet...but it's peaked your interest, as it has with many.
You can tell me that you fully believe your model...but deep down, you are questioning it, even if it's minor at the moment.

No person who believes they are intelligent and scientific minded are ever going to admit they could be wrong and maybe they've been fooled.

Because some people like to argue that the earth is round to people who wrongly believe it to be flat, proves it isn't round?

We've told you why we are here. We just enjoy it.

I have no doubt you enjoy it. I'm saying that regardless of what gets said ..most people are questioning their beliefs in some way, shape of form and as part of their enjoyment of the site, they are using their thoughts and sitting there thinking, " well maybe."
I know you are doing this. You may deny it but I  believe  that some doubt has been placed into your mind about your overall model.

Nah scepti. The only thing I have doubts about are which FE'rs are trolls and which one's really believe what they say they do.

Quote from: rottingroom on July 18, 2014, 07:56:34 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 18, 2014, 07:46:34 AM

Quote from: rottingroom on July 18, 2014, 07:35:17 AM

Fair enough scepti but none of that implies that the masses aren't being told the right information. The masses are told wrong information a lot of the time but not for everything. We can verify the earths shape independently of what we are told.

Correct, it doesn't imply that the masses are mis-informed in many cases. You say you can verify the shape of the Earth because you have been shown how to and you take it as the truth.

Here's a little test for you.
Standing outside (theoretically) show me what you would do to convince the person next to you that the Earth is what you say it is. You can use any gadget you can dream up that you can use with your feet on the ground.

Foucalt's Pendulum
Eotvos Effect
Seeing further from higher up
Seeing rotation of stars
Observing sinking ships
Yard sticks in two different locations having shadows of different lengths and angles.
Sum of triangles created on surface != 180°
The sun sets
Observe the curvature from a large mountain

You know that none of them prove anything other than to simply say they do.

Quote from: rottingroom on July 18, 2014, 07:57:36 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 18, 2014, 07:50:22 AM

Quote from: rottingroom on July 18, 2014, 07:45:51 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 18, 2014, 07:41:59 AM

Quote from: macrohard on July 17, 2014, 04:30:11 PM

The difference is that FE, unlike religion, can be disproved.

With the right technology you can prove the shape of the earth.  You can never prove the non-existence of God.

If the Global Earth model is proved beyond any doubt, then why are any of you global Earthers here?
Why are any of you even arguing against a flat or whatever alternate Earth shape? It makes no sense for any of you to argue.
Of course, you can say, " I'm just here for the fun of it" or " I'm just here to laugh at how stupid you all are." That's not the truth though, is it?

So why are you here?
The reality is, you're interested in the alternative theories. They may not make much sense to you, yet...but it's peaked your interest, as it has with many.
You can tell me that you fully believe your model...but deep down, you are questioning it, even if it's minor at the moment.

No person who believes they are intelligent and scientific minded are ever going to admit they could be wrong and maybe they've been fooled.

Because some people like to argue that the earth is round to people who wrongly believe it to be flat, proves it isn't round?

We've told you why we are here. We just enjoy it.

I have no doubt you enjoy it. I'm saying that regardless of what gets said ..most people are questioning their beliefs in some way, shape of form and as part of their enjoyment of the site, they are using their thoughts and sitting there thinking, " well maybe."
I know you are doing this. You may deny it but I  believe  that some doubt has been placed into your mind about your overall model.

Nah scepti. The only thing I have doubts about are which FE'rs are trolls and which one's really believe what they say they do.

You're a smart person. I refuse to accept that you believe all what you are told. I seriously do refuse to accept it.

Quote from: Shmeggley on July 17, 2014, 12:34:49 PM

I don't think the average person has any strong emotional bias towards the shape of the Earth, they just tend to go along with what seems to be the most reasonable explanation, to the extent that they have knowledge of the facts of the matter.

That's just the point. People on the whole (average Joes) don't have a strong emotional bias to the shape of the Earth. They accept the Earth to be what everyone believes it to be, then carry on in their lives probably never giving it a second fore-front thought. It is what it is and that's that.
For anyone to tell them differently, they will be met with, "yeah, ok fine" and that's that, with maybe a roll of the eyes.

Most people can't even wire a plug let alone think on any level of Earth science, other than what's in their faces, physically.

The fact that most pople are not emotionally attached to such science, as in Earth shape, they simply follow the route of the masses. It's like saying to the average Joe "name me a DIY tool?" Most will say a hammer, yet a bricklayer might say a trowel or a carpenter might say a saw, etc.

The truth is, most global earthers come onto this site and tell people that there's billions of people who KNOW the Earth is a globe. They don't KNOW...they are told it is. Those who believe they KNOW are the few who come on here, just as those who believe they know the Earth is flat come on here in their few. The odds are not stacked against the flat Earth as far as this site goes. It's just percieved as stacked odds by those whose beliefs are global Earth ingrained, who have spent the time to actually study what scientists have put on a plate for them

Standing outside (theoretically) show me what you would do to convince the person next to you that the Earth is what you say it is. You can use any gadget you can dream up that you can use with your feet on the ground.

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 18, 2014, 07:46:34 AM

Standing outside (theoretically) show me what you would do to convince the person next to you that the Earth is what you say it is. You can use any gadget you can dream up that you can use with your feet on the ground.

Don't need a gadget.  Just stand and watch ships "sink" below the horizon.  Then we could then watch a sunset.  We could stand for a month and watch the phases of the moon.  If you want to use gadgets I could show them photos of the earth from space, or use my GPS device, or set up a satellite dish and watch TV.  We could calculate the diameter of the earth with sticks and shadows.  And so on.


Now you tell me how you would convince them of a perfectly reflective ice dome above a flat, none rotating earth and that the sun, moon and stars are actually on earth etc.

Here's a little test for you.
Standing outside (theoretically) show me what you would do to convince the person next to you that the Earth is what you say it is. You can use any gadget you can dream up that you can use with your feet on the ground.

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on July 18, 2014, 08:27:06 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 18, 2014, 07:46:34 AM

Standing outside (theoretically) show me what you would do to convince the person next to you that the Earth is what you say it is. You can use any gadget you can dream up that you can use with your feet on the ground.

Don't need a gadget.  Just stand and watch ships "sink" below the horizon.  Then we could then watch a sunset.  We could stand for a month and watch the phases of the moon.  If you want to use gadgets I could show them photos of the earth from space, or use my GPS device, or set up a satellite dish and watch TV.  We could calculate the diameter of the earth with sticks and shadows.  And so on.


Now you tell me how you would convince them of a perfectly reflective ice dome above a flat, none rotating earth and that the sun, moon and stars are actually on earth etc.

I could just use exactly the same stuff you use and that proves it for me about what I'm saying.

Quote from: EarthIsASpaceship on July 18, 2014, 07:48:04 AM

Quote from: iwanttobelieve on July 16, 2014, 01:47:01 PM

how does ice remain solid in space? as at that temperature, it would be a liquid, unless the sun was shining on it, and it would be a gas?

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Excellent video. If people look at this and allow themselves to think, they will see how my dome works.

That's why wherever the sun is, the sky is melting.  The hydrogen particles create their own heat with low pressure, as seen in the video when it boils.  It will return to a solid when it reaches it's lowest possible pressure up there.  Actually, here's the definition of boiling, just for clarification:
Boiling is the rapid vaporization of a liquid, which occurs when a liquid is heated to its boiling point, the temperature at which the vapor pressure of the liquid is equal to the pressure exerted on the liquid by the surrounding environmental pressure.

You still don't get it, ausGeoff.  A billion people could believe in Santa Clause and 5 people could believe that he does not exist.

You seem to just have some kind of "I am right because I follow the herd" attitude.

You seem to just have some kind of "I am right because I follow the herd" attitude.

Every time I give you names of FE scientists, you brush them away as the person joking, lying, or simply being mistaken.  I am not going to waste my time giving you any more names.