« previous next »
Pages: [1] 2 3   Go Down

How Far Can You See?

  • 64 Replies
  • 10760 Views
?

EarthIsASpaceship

  • 1727
How Far Can You See?
« on: July 10, 2014, 07:37:17 AM »
This guy claims to have seen snow capped mountains 466 miles away.

"What's the record for visibility without help from the silhouetting effect? I think that might belong to the report of the expedition led by Korzenewsky (1923), who reported seeing snow-capped peaks of a mountain range 750 km away. Conditions were perfect: the lower atmosphere was in shadow at sunset; the peaks were quite high (4650 meters, or over 15,000 feet); they were covered with white snow, increasing their visibility; and there must also have been considerable looming to bring these distant features above the observers' horizon. As the observation was made on June 1, near the peak of superior-mirage season, the looming is not improbable, though the amount required is hard to believe. The observers themselves were in the deserts of Turkestan [now southeastern Kazakhstan] at a height of nearly a kilometer, where the dryness of the air favored extreme clarity, and looking across a broad, sandy depression. And, of course, much of the air path was in thinner air well above ground level, because of the mountains' height."  http://mintaka.sdsu.edu/GF/explain/atmos_refr/horizon.html

How is that possible on a curved earth?
Logged
*

JimmyTheCrab

  • 10340
Re: How Far Can You See?
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2014, 07:40:24 AM »
Quote from: EarthIsASpaceship on July 10, 2014, 07:37:17 AM
How is that possible on a curved earth?

Quote
he peaks were quite high (4650 meters, or over 15,000 feet);
Logged
Quote from: mikeman7918
a single photon can pass through two sluts

Quote from: Chicken Fried Clucker
if Donald Trump stuck his penis in me after trying on clothes I would have that date and time burned in my head.
*

JimmyTheCrab

  • 10340
Re: How Far Can You See?
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2014, 07:44:34 AM »
Quote from: EarthIsASpaceship on July 10, 2014, 07:37:17 AM
How is that possible on a curved earth?

Quote
he peaks were quite high (4650 meters, or over 15,000 feet);

Quote
and there must also have been considerable looming to bring these distant features above the observers' horizon.
« Last Edit: July 10, 2014, 07:46:34 AM by JimmyTheCrab »
Logged
Quote from: mikeman7918
a single photon can pass through two sluts

Quote from: Chicken Fried Clucker
if Donald Trump stuck his penis in me after trying on clothes I would have that date and time burned in my head.
?

Macpie

  • 245
Re: How Far Can You See?
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2014, 07:45:26 AM »
If 828m Burj Khalifa can be seen from a hundred km away, why a mountain over 5 times as tall shouldn't be visible from that much further? Especially given the perfect visual conditions.
Logged
?

rottingroom

  • 4785
  • Around the world.
Re: How Far Can You See?
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2014, 08:09:13 AM »
spaceship....

when you see a question you don't understand why is your default action to have RE'rs explain it to you. Why don't you learn some math so that you can see why it is possible for yourself. In this case you didn't even have to perform the math since it is all in the link you posted. All you have to do is understand it.
Logged
*

sceptimatic

  • Flat Earth Scientist
  • 30075
Re: How Far Can You See?
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2014, 08:23:33 AM »
I don't think you people understand what Earthisaspaceship is saying. From that distance, irrespective of the height, the peaks of mountains were seen. If the Earth is curving then so is the mountain peaks from both ends. His end and the end where the other peaks are seen.

It's only possible if the Earth is flat or slightly concave, not a globe.
Logged
?

rottingroom

  • 4785
  • Around the world.
Re: How Far Can You See?
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2014, 08:32:39 AM »
Quote from: sceptimatic on July 10, 2014, 08:23:33 AM
I don't think you people understand what Earthisaspaceship is saying. From that distance, irrespective of the height, the peaks of mountains were seen. If the Earth is curving then so is the mountain peaks from both ends. His end and the end where the other peaks are seen.

It's only possible if the Earth is flat or slightly concave, not a globe.

Um, this was accounted for in the diagram. If it wasn't then line OC from the diagram and line CH would be parallel. They are not parallel in the diagram. The curvature of the earth and the angles of the observers and the mountain with respect to each other are accounted for.

Everything seems to be accounted for in this link. Curvature, distances and refraction indices. As a matter of fact, if you used math to see how this would look like on a flat earth you would end up with incorrect angles. This is the type of link a RE'r would use to support their claims. It's suicide for a FE'r to post this in an attempt to prove contradictory claims.
Logged
*

JimmyTheCrab

  • 10340
Re: How Far Can You See?
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2014, 08:53:13 AM »
Quote from: sceptimatic on July 10, 2014, 08:23:33 AM
If the Earth is curving then so is the mountain peaks from both ends. His end and the end where the other peaks are seen.
Heh, what?

Quote
It's only possible if the Earth is flat or slightly concave, not a globe.
If the earth were flat concave you would see the all the peak.
Logged
Quote from: mikeman7918
a single photon can pass through two sluts

Quote from: Chicken Fried Clucker
if Donald Trump stuck his penis in me after trying on clothes I would have that date and time burned in my head.
?

EarthIsASpaceship

  • 1727
Re: How Far Can You See?
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2014, 04:44:27 PM »
Quote from: sceptimatic on July 10, 2014, 08:23:33 AM
It's only possible if the Earth is flat or slightly concave, not a globe.
Thank you Scepti.  YOU DA MAN!  :)
Logged
?

rottingroom

  • 4785
  • Around the world.
Re: How Far Can You See?
« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2014, 04:52:59 PM »
Quote from: EarthIsASpaceship on July 10, 2014, 04:44:27 PM
Quote from: sceptimatic on July 10, 2014, 08:23:33 AM
It's only possible if the Earth is flat or slightly concave, not a globe.
Thank you Scepti.  YOU DA MAN!  :)

Except that that doesn't make any sense at all. His entire point was based on the fact that he doesn't understand the diagram or the math in the link.
Logged
?

guv

  • 1132
Re: How Far Can You See?
« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2014, 05:15:13 PM »
Sound fake to me. I want a photo and 25 witlesses.
Logged
?

Shmeggley

  • 1909
  • Eppur si muove!
Re: How Far Can You See?
« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2014, 05:54:38 PM »
Quote from: EarthIsASpaceship on July 10, 2014, 04:44:27 PM
Quote from: sceptimatic on July 10, 2014, 08:23:33 AM
It's only possible if the Earth is flat or slightly concave, not a globe.
Thank you Scepti.  YOU DA MAN!  :)

Why don't you try reading the link you posted in the OP that explains in great detail exactly how it's possible on a round Earth?
Logged
Quote from: sceptimatic on July 29, 2014, 06:00:17 AM
Giess what? I am a tin foil hat conspiracy lunatic who knows nothing... See what I'm getting at here?
*

sokarul

  • 19303
  • Extra Racist
Re: How Far Can You See?
« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2014, 06:57:31 PM »
Quote from: EarthIsASpaceship on July 10, 2014, 07:37:17 AM
This guy claims to have seen snow capped mountains 466 miles away.

"... Conditions were perfect: ..."

How is that possible on a curved earth?
Perhaps the conditions were perfect.
Logged
ANNIHILATOR OF  SHIFTER

Quote from: Shifter on July 05, 2020, 09:53:30 AM
It's no slur if it's fact.
?

EarthIsASpaceship

  • 1727
Re: How Far Can You See?
« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2014, 07:43:19 PM »
Rot and Shmeg,
We KNOW how it works in your model.  No it's not possible on a round Earth because at that distance it really would be below the horizon.  You cannot have it both ways.
Logged
*

29silhouette

  • 3371
Re: How Far Can You See?
« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2014, 07:56:52 PM »
Quote from: EarthIsASpaceship on July 10, 2014, 07:37:17 AM
How is that possible on a curved earth?
Quote from: sceptimatic on July 10, 2014, 08:23:33 AM
It's only possible if the Earth is flat or slightly concave, not a globe.

Here's a site that may help explain it.
http://mintaka.sdsu.edu/GF/explain/atmos_refr/horizon.html
Logged
?

rottingroom

  • 4785
  • Around the world.
Re: How Far Can You See?
« Reply #15 on: July 10, 2014, 08:00:56 PM »
Quote from: EarthIsASpaceship on July 10, 2014, 07:43:19 PM
Rot and Shmeg,
We KNOW how it works in your model.  No it's not possible on a round Earth because at that distance it really would be below the horizon.  You cannot have it both ways.

Both ways? This is the way we've always said it works.
Logged
?

Shmeggley

  • 1909
  • Eppur si muove!
Re: How Far Can You See?
« Reply #16 on: July 10, 2014, 09:09:23 PM »
Quote from: EarthIsASpaceship on July 10, 2014, 07:43:19 PM
Rot and Shmeg,
We KNOW how it works in your model.  No it's not possible on a round Earth because at that distance it really would be below the horizon.  You cannot have it both ways.

Apparently you're the one who wants it both ways, since you're saying it does work in the RE model, then you say it's impossible. Even though the page explains exactly how it is possible!
Logged
Quote from: sceptimatic on July 29, 2014, 06:00:17 AM
Giess what? I am a tin foil hat conspiracy lunatic who knows nothing... See what I'm getting at here?
?

inquisitive

  • 5108
Re: How Far Can You See?
« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2014, 11:02:07 PM »
Quote from: EarthIsASpaceship on July 10, 2014, 07:43:19 PM
Rot and Shmeg,
We KNOW how it works in your model.  No it's not possible on a round Earth because at that distance it really would be below the horizon.  You cannot have it both ways.
Diagram to confirm please.
Logged
*

JimmyTheCrab

  • 10340
Re: How Far Can You See?
« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2014, 02:00:31 AM »
This is a kind of weird self debunking thread.
Logged
Quote from: mikeman7918
a single photon can pass through two sluts

Quote from: Chicken Fried Clucker
if Donald Trump stuck his penis in me after trying on clothes I would have that date and time burned in my head.
?

EarthIsASpaceship

  • 1727
Re: How Far Can You See?
« Reply #19 on: July 11, 2014, 06:19:14 AM »
Quote from: rottingroom on July 10, 2014, 08:00:56 PM
Quote from: EarthIsASpaceship on July 10, 2014, 07:43:19 PM
Rot and Shmeg,
We KNOW how it works in your model.  No it's not possible on a round Earth because at that distance it really would be below the horizon.  You cannot have it both ways.

Both ways? This is the way we've always said it works.
smh No Rotty, what I mean is, even though the caps of the mountains are 15,000 feet high, in your model, that is still not high enough to be seen 400 miles away due to curvature. 
Logged
*

ausGeoff

  • 6091
Re: How Far Can You See?
« Reply #20 on: July 11, 2014, 06:19:39 AM »
Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on July 11, 2014, 02:00:31 AM
This is a kind of weird self debunking thread.

It is kinda funny isn't it?

The flat earthers are using a proof that you can see the mountains over that distance on a spherical earth to prove that the earth must be flat LOL.

Bizarre indeed.    ;D
Logged
?

rottingroom

  • 4785
  • Around the world.
Re: How Far Can You See?
« Reply #21 on: July 11, 2014, 06:20:20 AM »
Quote from: EarthIsASpaceship on July 11, 2014, 06:19:14 AM
Quote from: rottingroom on July 10, 2014, 08:00:56 PM
Quote from: EarthIsASpaceship on July 10, 2014, 07:43:19 PM
Rot and Shmeg,
We KNOW how it works in your model.  No it's not possible on a round Earth because at that distance it really would be below the horizon.  You cannot have it both ways.

Both ways? This is the way we've always said it works.
smh No Rotty, what I mean is, even though the caps of the mountains are 15,000 feet high, in your model, that is still not high enough to be seen 400 miles away due to curvature.

Apparently, and according to your own link, it is.
Logged
?

EarthIsASpaceship

  • 1727
Re: How Far Can You See?
« Reply #22 on: July 11, 2014, 06:39:12 AM »
Alright, look.  The mountain loses about 3-4,000 feet with that amount of distance so it can still be visible even if the Earth curved  downward 8 inches per mile.  So, it doesn't prove in favor or against a flat earth.  However, it does prove that the atmosphere makes a HUGE difference in visibility.  So, just because you cannot see an object, doesn't mean it's not there.
Logged
*

Rama Set

  • 6877
  • I am also an engineer
Re: How Far Can You See?
« Reply #23 on: July 11, 2014, 06:46:49 AM »
Alright, look.  You clearly either did not read your link or you did not understand it.  Your objections fail to mention refraction which is probably the single largest contributor to the visibility of the mountain.
Logged
Quote from: charles bloomington on April 25, 2015, 04:13:06 PM
Aether is the  characteristic of action or inaction of charged  & noncharged particals.
*

Son of Orospu

  • Jura's b*tch and proud of it!
  • Planar Moderator
  • 37834
  • I have artificial intelligence
Re: How Far Can You See?
« Reply #24 on: July 11, 2014, 06:52:02 AM »
Quote from: Rama Set on July 11, 2014, 06:46:49 AM
Alright, look.  You clearly either did not read your link or you did not understand it.  Your objections fail to mention refraction which is probably the single largest contributor to the visibility of the mountain.

So, are you claiming bendy light is responsible for this? 
Logged
?

EarthIsASpaceship

  • 1727
8 inches?
« Reply #25 on: July 11, 2014, 06:52:32 AM »
I don't even know where they get this 8 inches anyway.  Has anyone actually measured it?  All I've seen is the math equation...the tangent of a circle.  That doesn't prove anything, except maybe the circumference...how much the Earth curves at the ice wall.
Logged
?

rottingroom

  • 4785
  • Around the world.
Re: How Far Can You See?
« Reply #26 on: July 11, 2014, 06:55:21 AM »
Quote from: jroa on July 11, 2014, 06:52:02 AM
Quote from: Rama Set on July 11, 2014, 06:46:49 AM
Alright, look.  You clearly either did not read your link or you did not understand it.  Your objections fail to mention refraction which is probably the single largest contributor to the visibility of the mountain.

So, are you claiming bendy light is responsible for this?

Please refer to my refraction thread. You've apparently forgotten. Bendy light performs opposite of what is expected by refraction in the atmosphere. Refraction in this case is consistent with all laws of refraction.
Logged
*

Rama Set

  • 6877
  • I am also an engineer
Re: How Far Can You See?
« Reply #27 on: July 11, 2014, 06:57:06 AM »
Quote from: jroa on July 11, 2014, 06:52:02 AM
Quote from: Rama Set on July 11, 2014, 06:46:49 AM
Alright, look.  You clearly either did not read your link or you did not understand it.  Your objections fail to mention refraction which is probably the single largest contributor to the visibility of the mountain.

So, are you claiming bendy light is responsible for this?

Stop trolling please. 

Logged
Quote from: charles bloomington on April 25, 2015, 04:13:06 PM
Aether is the  characteristic of action or inaction of charged  & noncharged particals.
?

rottingroom

  • 4785
  • Around the world.
Re: 8 inches?
« Reply #28 on: July 11, 2014, 06:58:50 AM »
Quote from: EarthIsASpaceship on July 11, 2014, 06:52:32 AM
I don't even know where they get this 8 inches anyway.  Has anyone actually measured it?  All I've seen is the math equation...the tangent of a circle.  That doesn't prove anything, except maybe the circumference...how much the Earth curves at the ice wall.

There has been threads about this. You need the sun for shadow lengths, yard sticks and measurements from locations a mile apart at the same time.
Logged
?

rottingroom

  • 4785
  • Around the world.
Re: How Far Can You See?
« Reply #29 on: July 11, 2014, 07:01:44 AM »
And trig. Which means that you can't do it unfortunately.
Logged
Pages: [1] 2 3   Go Up
« previous next »