The Earth is...

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The Earth is...
« on: July 06, 2014, 09:22:38 AM »
...ROUND. The small percentage of you here that believe otherwise may form a line to the right to receive the meds and treatment you so desperately need. (Please, no comments on my post count, as I actually existed before I joined this site, and have formed intelligent positions on this subject previously to my arrival here. BTW, I am personally shaped like a pear, and can prove so by stating that my shirt size is smaller than my pants size.)

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« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2014, 11:28:32 AM »
But have you read the FAQ?

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Re: The Earth is...
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2014, 11:34:12 AM »
Well, now I know you're a liar. No one existed before joining this site.

ANOTHER WIN FOR FE!
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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Re: The Earth is...
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2014, 01:22:43 PM »
But have you read the FAQ?

Sure have.
Well, now I know you're a liar. No one existed before joining this site.

ANOTHER WIN FOR FE!

I have neve seen you. Therefore, you do not exist.  ;)

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Re: The Earth is...
« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2014, 03:01:16 PM »
I post, therefore I am.
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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Re: The Earth is...
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2014, 03:09:23 PM »
The OP is incorrect. Older school (historical data) supports FET. Newer school methodology forces RET onto its believers. There is little chance of escape from disingenuous Earth shape propagation until FET study is once again returned and considered part of the normal educational regimen. 

Let this then be the thread where REers attempt to prove their claim of roundness...without resorting to their new school, blind faithed reasoning.  Every other attempt has failed.
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Re: The Earth is...
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2014, 03:31:04 PM »
The OP is incorrect. Older school (historical data) supports FET. Newer school methodology forces RET onto its believers. There is little chance of escape from disingenuous Earth shape propagation until FET study is once again returned and considered part of the normal educational regimen. 

Let this then be the thread where REers attempt to prove their claim of roundness...without resorting to their new school, blind faithed reasoning.  Every other attempt has failed.
Start with plotting the path of the sun at different times of day in different parts of the world.

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Re: The Earth is...
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2014, 04:31:15 PM »
So, the earth appears round from near outer space because the sun shines down on the earth like a spot light. That's the explanation I've read here. My to my embarrassment and chagrin, I did an experiment in a dark room. I shone a very focused light downwards towards the floor and saw not a circle, as FE hypothesis would suggest, but a spherical shaped spot of light with lots of bleeding around the edges. I didn't see a clear cut circle, but kind of a round blob that was bright in the middle and kind of feathered at the edges.

My conclusions. 1. I am an idiot with way too much time on my hands. 2. The sun does not shine down like a spotlight onto a flat earth.


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Re: The Earth is...
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2014, 03:06:35 AM »
Older school (historical data) supports FET.
Nope.  Not for the past 400 years it hasn't.  Since the earlier days of Copernicus and Kepler, and later the scientist Galileo—when geocentricity as espoused by the Catholic church was exposed as a bogus non-scientific model of our solar system.

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Newer school methodology forces RET onto its believers.
No again.  As far as astrophysics and geophysics is concerned, there is no such thing as "newer school methodology".   There's also no such thing as "round earth theory".  The oblate spheroid shape of the planet is an accepted fact of geophysics supported by irrefutable observational and theoretical evidence.  All of Newtonian physics and all expected astrophysical phenomena and all observed stellar configurations comply precisely with the spherical earth scenario.  The sizes and orbits of the sun and moon;  the seasons; auroras; global lines of sight; gravity and magnetism; man-made low-orbit satellites; cyclones and deep ocean currents; great circle sea and air navigation; ocean tides; etc.  Against this we have nothing more than a flat earth hypothesis accepted by a mere few hundred people on the planet.  The flat earthers can't even name half a dozen accredited scientists who accept the round earth model—can you gotham?

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There is little chance of escape from disingenuous Earth shape propagation until FET study is once again returned and considered part of the normal educational regimen.
A major non sequitur.  Your fallacy results from your simple conversion of a universal affirmative proposition —a "disingenuous" earth shape—to your negative, consequential "chance of escape".  And sadly, for you and your peers gotham, no sort of flat earth hypothesis will ever be taught as part of a "normal" educational regimen.  Why?  Because it'd be tantamount to teaching young-earth creationism instead of Darwinian evolution.  And totally distorting the accredited tenets of science.

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Let this then be the thread where REers attempt to prove their claim of roundness...without resorting to their new school, blind faithed reasoning.  Every other attempt has failed.
As has been posted numerous time on these forums, the burden of proof lies upon the flat earthers to prove their case.  The round earthers have more than adequately presented their evidence (in a somewhat limited scope due to the posting restrictions on forums) and can be expected to do no more.

The round earthers have posted dozens of photographic images, diagrammatic representations, geometric figures, computer-generated illustrations, maps—both historical and contemporary, clear explanations of radar, satellite transmissions, aeronautics, jet propulsion, the Coriolis effect, weather patterns, gravitational effects, etc.  Whereas the flat earthers have yet to post one single photographic image of their flat earth, a universally accepted model, any sort of original map, and virtually no diagrams or even a computer-generated image.  Their one and only pseudo-flat earth map is a round earth azimuthal equidistant projection centred on the North Pole.  Which never ceases to give me a good laugh whenever I see it—even on the Flat earth Wiki of all places!

And, interestingly—and laughably—it's the flat earthers who invariably resort to "blind faithed reason" to support their case.  Although that phrase sounds awfully like an oxymoron to me.  Faith and reason cannot be conflated.  Faith relies solely on personal belief, whereas reason relies on observation, replication, and peer review.  I have "faith" that I'll see the sun at dawn tomorrow, but I have no "reason" to accept that it's inevitable.



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Re: The Earth is...
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2014, 03:13:25 AM »
The OP is incorrect. Older school (historical data) supports FET.
When you say "old school" what do you mean?  Neolithic?  Cro-Magnon?  Right back to Homo habilis hitting each other with rocks and starting the first FES?
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Re: The Earth is...
« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2014, 01:06:53 PM »
...almost completely flat on a human scale, except for a slight curvature.
Giess what? I am a tin foil hat conspiracy lunatic who knows nothing... See what I'm getting at here?

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Re: The Earth is...
« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2014, 03:06:00 PM »
Sigh. Another pointless thread.
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Re: The Earth is...
« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2014, 03:10:13 PM »
...ROUND. The small percentage of you here that believe otherwise may form a line to the right to receive the meds and treatment you so desperately need. (Please, no comments on my post count, as I actually existed before I joined this site, and have formed intelligent positions on this subject previously to my arrival here. BTW, I am personally shaped like a pear, and can prove so by stating that my shirt size is smaller than my pants size.)
Very convincing argument.
Now mine.
The Earth is flat.


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Re: The Earth is...
« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2014, 03:22:52 PM »
...ROUND. The small percentage of you here that believe otherwise may form a line to the right to receive the meds and treatment you so desperately need. (Please, no comments on my post count, as I actually existed before I joined this site, and have formed intelligent positions on this subject previously to my arrival here. BTW, I am personally shaped like a pear, and can prove so by stating that my shirt size is smaller than my pants size.)
Very convincing argument.
Now mine.
The Earth is flat.

Touché. Rebuttal: Nope, it's round.
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Re: The Earth is...
« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2014, 04:14:48 PM »
The truth of Earth shape derived from FET HAS been known throughout time and there is no expiration date assigned to truth (old school proven). FET also has the benefit of new data forthcoming so Earth shape truth in inescapable.   

Accredited scientists do not have a legitimate claim to Earth shape until they refer to themselves as "former" scientists. Those can be included in the people we should, do and will hear from and the numbers are growing. Think about it...if a person attends university and limits themselves to RET just get grades necessary for a science degree, is the spectrum of their knowledge limited to what the curriculum demanded?

Once they get past the stumbling blocks, truth does create former scientists.



 



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Re: The Earth is...
« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2014, 04:19:40 PM »
The truth of Earth shape derived from FET HAS been known throughout time and there is no expiration date assigned to truth (old school proven). FET also has the benefit of new data forthcoming so Earth shape truth in inescapable.   

Accredited scientists do not have a legitimate claim to Earth shape until they refer to themselves as "former" scientists. Those are the people we (all inclusive) should, do and will hear from and the numbers are growing. Think about it...if a person attends university and limits themselves to RET just get grades necessary for a science degree, is the spectrum of their knowledge limited to what the curriculum demanded?

Once they get past the stumbling blocks, truth does create former scientists.

What is this new data forthcoming that supports FET? Is it that the hundreds of years worth of data that is incompatible with FET is actually wrong? Can you point us to the source of this new data perhaps?
Giess what? I am a tin foil hat conspiracy lunatic who knows nothing... See what I'm getting at here?

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Re: The Earth is...
« Reply #16 on: July 07, 2014, 04:28:16 PM »
The truth of Earth shape derived from FET HAS been known throughout time and there is no expiration date assigned to truth (old school proven). FET also has the benefit of new data forthcoming so Earth shape truth in inescapable.   

Accredited scientists do not have a legitimate claim to Earth shape until they refer to themselves as "former" scientists. Those are the people we (all inclusive) should, do and will hear from and the numbers are growing. Think about it...if a person attends university and limits themselves to RET just get grades necessary for a science degree, is the spectrum of their knowledge limited to what the curriculum demanded?

Once they get past the stumbling blocks, truth does create former scientists.

What is this new data forthcoming that supports FET? Is it that the hundreds of years worth of data that is incompatible with FET is actually wrong? Can you point us to the source of this new data perhaps?

New books and projects supporting FET are in the works and due to arrive in the near future.  I don't have the list in front of me but I'm quite sure others have a better grasp of the items and will chime in with them.  Feel free to search them out, as well.   

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Re: The Earth is...
« Reply #17 on: July 07, 2014, 04:38:45 PM »
The truth of Earth shape derived from FET HAS been known throughout time and there is no expiration date assigned to truth (old school proven). FET also has the benefit of new data forthcoming so Earth shape truth in inescapable.   

Accredited scientists do not have a legitimate claim to Earth shape until they refer to themselves as "former" scientists. Those are the people we (all inclusive) should, do and will hear from and the numbers are growing. Think about it...if a person attends university and limits themselves to RET just get grades necessary for a science degree, is the spectrum of their knowledge limited to what the curriculum demanded?

Once they get past the stumbling blocks, truth does create former scientists.

What is this new data forthcoming that supports FET? Is it that the hundreds of years worth of data that is incompatible with FET is actually wrong? Can you point us to the source of this new data perhaps?

New books and projects supporting FET are in the works and due to arrive in the near future.  I don't have the list in front of me but I'm quite sure others have a better grasp of the items and will chime in with them.  Feel free to search them out, as well.

This was the first (and only) book result I got for "books on flat earth theory":
http://www.amazon.com/Flat-Earth-History-Infamous-Idea/dp/140504702X

This actually looks very interesting, I'm glad you suggested I search. From the brief synopsis, I gather that the author argues against the idea that ancient and medieval people did not believe the Earth to be flat at all, in fact this is just a myth. I can't wait to see what other literature is "forthcoming".
Giess what? I am a tin foil hat conspiracy lunatic who knows nothing... See what I'm getting at here?

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« Reply #18 on: July 07, 2014, 05:01:44 PM »
This website promoted that book for several years.
I'm sorry. Am I to understand that when you have a boner you like to imagine punching the shit out of Tom Bishop? That's disgusting.

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Re: The Earth is...
« Reply #19 on: July 07, 2014, 05:34:14 PM »
This website promoted that book for several years.

But it doesn't anymore? Why did they stop?
Giess what? I am a tin foil hat conspiracy lunatic who knows nothing... See what I'm getting at here?

Re: The Earth is...
« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2014, 06:27:26 PM »
...ROUND. The small percentage of you here that believe otherwise may form a line to the right to receive the meds and treatment you so desperately need.

Another RET who's only argument consists of an ad-hom. Typical.

Also, someone please move this thread to complete nonsense, because that is where it clearly belongs

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« Reply #21 on: July 08, 2014, 01:41:54 AM »
This actually looks very interesting, I'm glad you suggested I search. From the brief synopsis, I gather that the author argues against the idea that ancient and medieval people did not believe the Earth to be flat at all, in fact this is just a myth. I can't wait to see what other literature is "forthcoming".

Actually, it starts off with Robotham and leads to modern times.  Worth a read. 

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Re: The Earth is...
« Reply #22 on: July 08, 2014, 06:32:45 AM »
Sigh. Another pointless thread.

LOL... poor old legion.  Can't offer any meaningful defence so claims the thread is "pointless".  Typical flat earth cop-out.   ;D

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« Reply #23 on: July 08, 2014, 06:40:21 AM »
The truth of Earth shape derived from FET HAS been known throughout time and there is no expiration date assigned to truth (old school proven). FET also has the benefit of new data forthcoming so Earth shape truth in inescapable.   

Accredited scientists do not have a legitimate claim to Earth shape until they refer to themselves as "former" scientists. Those are the people we (all inclusive) should, do and will hear from and the numbers are growing. Think about it...if a person attends university and limits themselves to RET just get grades necessary for a science degree, is the spectrum of their knowledge limited to what the curriculum demanded?

Once they get past the stumbling blocks, truth does create former scientists.

What is this new data forthcoming that supports FET? Is it that the hundreds of years worth of data that is incompatible with FET is actually wrong? Can you point us to the source of this new data perhaps?

New books and projects supporting FET are in the works and due to arrive in the near future.  I don't have the list in front of me but I'm quite sure others have a better grasp of the items and will chime in with them.  Feel free to search them out, as well.

You sound like Richard Branson.
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Re: The Earth is...
« Reply #24 on: July 08, 2014, 06:41:33 AM »

New books and projects supporting FET are in the works and due to arrive in the near future.  I don't have the list in front of me but I'm quite sure others have a better grasp of the items and will chime in with them.   

As you post it as a statement of fact, can you please let us know by name which scientists are undertaking these new projects, and what authors have "new" books that'll both be arriving in the "near future"?

Can you also give us projected publication dates for their books, and when the researchers will be making public the results of their projects?  I'll be interested in seeing any new technical papers regarding the flat earth hypothesis, and whether or not they clarify many of the current issues plaguing it.

Are we talking weeks ahead?  Months, years?


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« Reply #25 on: July 08, 2014, 06:58:16 AM »
This website promoted that book for several years.

But it doesn't anymore? Why did they stop?

Initially, the flat earthers thought that the book supported their cause—because they didn't understand the meaning of the word "infamous" in the title—plus none of them had actually read the book, and didn't understand that it was taking the piss out of the flat earth theory and its proponents.  That's why LOL.

Its author Dr Christine Garwood studied history as an undergraduate and was later awarded a doctorate in history of science.  According to one reviewer:  "Garwood starts with debunking this [flat earth] myth, but then shifts to the modern flat-earthers, those from the nineteenth century until now who insisted, starting with the Bible as a foundation and attempting to co-opt science in the flat-earth cause, that the "globularists" were involved in a scandalous conspiracy to turn people away from the Bible.

Garwood's often hilarious book is a serious look at an aberrant belief and those who took it up in modern times, centuries after the flat Earth had been scientifically dismissed. Flat-earthism may be nonsense, but it was an anti-science stance taken up by those who believed in a literal Bible, and as such, comparisons may be easily drawn between flat-earthers and creationists".

Apparently, one flat earther took the time to read the whole  book—rather than just its cover—and immediately alerted site moderators of its total inappropriateness on any flat earth site.

The whole comical saga is more than a little amusing.   ;D



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Re: The Earth is...
« Reply #26 on: July 08, 2014, 11:39:11 AM »
This website promoted that book for several years.

But it doesn't anymore? Why did they stop?

I don't know, but probably because we had a link to the book at the top of the site for several years and the book was getting old, or something. I think I suggested we find something else to promote once, but I doubt that had anything to do with it being removed. I don't think Daniel was getting a kickback for promoting it, just thought it was cool there was a book out on the subject.
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Re: The Earth is...
« Reply #27 on: July 08, 2014, 12:51:05 PM »
This website promoted that book for several years.

But it doesn't anymore? Why did they stop?

I don't know, but probably because we had a link to the book at the top of the site for several years and the book was getting old, or something. I think I suggested we find something else to promote once, but I doubt that had anything to do with it being removed. I don't think Daniel was getting a kickback for promoting it, just thought it was cool there was a book out on the subject.
It appears that the book is still available through Amazon, including a Kindle version.
http://www.amazon.com/Flat-Earth-History-Infamous-Idea/dp/140504702X
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Re: The Earth is...
« Reply #28 on: July 08, 2014, 12:53:07 PM »
This website promoted that book for several years.

But it doesn't anymore? Why did they stop?

I don't know, but probably because we had a link to the book at the top of the site for several years and the book was getting old, or something. I think I suggested we find something else to promote once, but I doubt that had anything to do with it being removed. I don't think Daniel was getting a kickback for promoting it, just thought it was cool there was a book out on the subject.

I'm going to see if the library has it.

EDIT: They have it, it's available, and they're sending it to to my branch. I love the library.
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Re: The Earth is...
« Reply #29 on: July 08, 2014, 03:09:43 PM »
You are well on your way to becoming an eminent flat earth scholar, Shmeggley!
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